Now we all wonder could things have been different had CJ not asked the infamous presser question?

Being a pens fan, I was introduced to Steve through the “Phil Kessel: An Era Wasted” video and have watched just about everything since. I feel like this deserves the sequel treatment. An Era Wasted: Part 2.

Bobrovsky saw Carey Price in the 2021 and said "I want to do that"

Jesses previous general managing experiences makes him a suitable replacement for Dubas.

21:30 live reaction to the Dubas announcement

Another example of a high draft pick going back to college was Jonathan Toews. Drafted 3rd overall and played the next year at North Dakota, then joined the Hawks the year after with Patrick Kane. They were both nominated for the Calder the same year

I love me a long ot playoff game! I will always remember as a lightning fan the 5ot clash between Tampa and the jackets in 2020. That game started at 3:00 eastern time and ended around 9;00 lol. I remember staying up late the night before to study for a final and watching that game drained me of my soul but it was so worth it

This is a crossroads moment for the franchise. They either make the right moves, and continue to remain competitive and challenge for a cup for the next 5-8 years at least. Or they royally screw it all up and we are competing for a draft lottery within that same time period

Curious if there's going to be another one after the Brendan Shanahan conference where he suggested Dubas basically used his press conference as a bargaining chip to get a better deal..

Kyle Dubas talk begins at 36:00, not at 21:00 from their timestamp in the description.

As soon as I heard the news, I've been waiting for this podcast, love you guys

It's absolutely hilarious that Steve just occasionally inserts "they're gonna win the cup" when they're talking about the Panthers. Please be right.

I’m a panthers fan, I’m going to bed in like an hour, it’s 6pm here. What a night last night was. Thanks for covering it a bunch boys.👍🏼

It’s kind of funny to watch this without the guys knowing any of what happened at the presser that Shanny had.

Listening to this podcast for 2 hours is great when I’m sitting down gaming and or play nhl 23

Great timing boys👍Get your application in there Dangle!!

If there’s one thing we can take away about Dubas it’s that he’s not a very good negotiator

Dubas talk starts at 36:15

20:50 Okay but a Lyon v Kochetkov ECF would be amazing. They won the Calder together last year with the Chicago Wolves.

Wouldn’t be too worried about Cooley. As a Flyers fan, Gauthier went back to college and there is 0 talk of him not signing. I just imagine Cooley is gonna wait till 2024 for developments sake.

You guys need to do a car-cast pod now after that press conference!

I wanted to comment many times during this episode, but I'm glad I got to the palate cleanser of the pencil drawing. Fantastic work.

As a caps fan we made some unpopular moves and it took forever for us to win. Green, varly, Neuvirth, mojo. The only "core" we stuck with was ovi and Backstrom other member of that core were eventually moved on until it worked.

oh i'm ready for this one turn it up

Cale Makar went back to college twice as the 4th overall pick. Said he didn't think his first year was good enough to go straight into the NHL. People wondered if he was going to stall his development by doing it. Here we are now.

Dropped as soon as I heard the Dubas news. Y'all are the best

"You're wasting your time but it's fun." This is life.

Adam with an absolutely beautiful prediction about Spezza there.

Been waiting since the news this morning lets go

To be fair, some of Burke's decisions were good: drafting and sticking with Kadri, trading Schenn for Van Riemsdyk and rafting Reilly.

25:28 Wade is fantastic! He did the announcing for the NC State Ice Pack club hockey team. Those were games which started at 11 p.m. at a local ice skating rink which could maybe seat 60 people (though there was standing room for a couple hundred all around the rink). As a State student, it was so cool to hear the Hurricanes in arena announcer calling our club hockey game. He is very committed to hockey in Raleigh and always does a great job. Also he looks like Lakitu from Mario Kart.

Closed caption upon uploading 😊 Fantastic youtube and sdpn

1:50:59 made my day

About the hits in Panthers-Canes, someone wasn't counting them all, the game was staying physical till the 6th period at least. Throwing big hits over and over again.

Crosby was not the first exceptional status player, Tavares was. However Crosby inspired it being created. Gave the CHL an idea to get players that were clearly too good to be playing in their local leagues to put them on the fast track to the NHL asap.

I believe the Swedish rookie of the year Steve forgot was Andreas Borgman

Best thing for the Leafs. Time to make hard choices about soft stars. Careful who gets locked up with no trade clauses.

I think Steve is discounting how good some of the Caps teams that failed. 2010 was a monstrous offensive team (their only issue was they couldn't play shut down d) plus the 2015-17 Trotz teams that set franchise records. Ovis goals don't even need to be mentioned, but their were some huge individual season efforts. Holtby tied MB's single season wins total record. The expectations for those teams were far bigger than what the leafs have had, which made the disappointment every playoffs that much more painful.

Demko outperforming this Bob just shows how crazy good he is

To be fair (1:36) Quick had a vezina-caliber season in 2012 before that cup run. He should have won it over Lundqvist that year for having comparable if not better stats and playing more minutes on a far worse Kings team that was second last in the league in scoring. I’ll take the two cup runs, especially the W over Lundqvist, but I’ll die on this hill and be salty about it forever.

The response to the Coyotes vote was exactly what I want from professionals. Nice.

Steve looks like Neumann in Mad Magazine in that picture, not Leo LOL

I remember when the second longest (at that point?) game on record happened in Germany in 2008--6 OT periods. Robert Muller, the winning goaltender, saved 96 of 100 shots on goal. Muller had just battled back from a brain tumor the previous year. (Unfortunately, the tumor started growing again that summer and he passed away less than a year later)

Listening to Steve, it's amazing any team won the Cup. Apparently the cap not going up was a catastrophic event that only prevented the Leafs from winning and nobody else lol

I want a written apology from Adam to Freddy

Dubas rejected their offer and to save face they said we decided to let him go Happens a lot in breakups

Carolina's affiliate for the past couple of years has been Chicago. They're going back to independent, so who knows what Carolina will do now for an AHL affiliate. Last year, Charlotte shared affiliation with Seattle and Florida, while being Florida only this year.

March 2023: Not winning a single playoff round warrants a contract extension offer and a compliment you are doing an ‘excellent job’ by Shanahan.

Where do they display the regular season cups???

Pretty sure Tavares was the first one to get the official "exceptional" status. Only been like 5 of them since the rule was created in 05.

Top draft picks who did two years in NCAA-Matty Beniers, Owen Power, Cutter Gauthier, Logan Cooley etc.

Guy rooting for the Goalies reminds me of Richard Ayoade from the show IT Crowd.

This dropped right as i got to the gym. LFG

Jessie has the same mindset about overtime games as me lol. I wanna see a marathon, the suffering must continue

Do we have any plans for the draft episode yet? I was thinking i might go if the boys are in Nashville.

The pencil drawing of Steve kind of looks like the Mad magazine guy.

Thoughts on the Washington Capitals comparison - Ovi was signed for 1000 years, Backstrom had 10? The reason why they cycled was likely in part because Ovi was almost 19% of the cap. They also could keep running it back with the core 2 were signed for a greater part of a decade. Matthews, Marner & Nylander are UFAs and expecting raises within 5-6 years. You're seeing the leafs cycle through players yes, because they're not winning BUT it's also the nature of the salary capped league when you're top heavy. Capitals didn't win until Ovi's deal aged and he (their highest paid player by some margin when they won) was making ~12% of the increased cap. There is likely something to be said about your salary structure. Leafs have 3 players over 13%. Caps had the time to wait out their contract choices because of the (now illegal) length of those deals. I'd be curious who the highest % based salaried player to win the cup is.

Put him in a coffin 😂 love the reference

The excuses for Dubas are just incredible.

That quadruple OT game was a masterpiece of a game and Bobrovsky was lights out….I said we would make it to the cup final and we will win this series in 6 games

Time to make a body language video of Dubas last press conference 😅

21:35 is when the Dubas news drops

1:49:17 I've been to all of those places, and this is basically The Office meme of "It's the same picture"

Stephan came and skated with my AAA team with some London knights player back in the day. The size and footspeed of your somewhat "avg"nhl player is unbelievable. Trying to pin him to the boards was a nightmare. He probably dosent remember me but I he's a great dude

36:25 they begin speaking about Dubas firing

Marner for Matty Beniers (I hope I spelled that right) + a prospect and 2 good picks.

Naz does similar community/charity work to what Steve does and he's a great interview. If Snoop and his group win the Ottawa bid, I bet Kadri would have some interesting and insightful thoughts on how their plan impacts his organization for example.

the other day I walked way out 2 my friends place..... in the country.... When I met up with him, he was busy & I got a ride got dropped off, and walked all the way back.... I google mapped it to see how far I had walked & it was 15.9 kms... I had blisters on both my feet......

Already? What a legend

What is the time stamp for finding out about Dubas?

0:31 I can’t believe I stayed up for that, worst decision ever!

1:36:06 LMAO that's a Freudian slip if I ever heard one

“What do you think about the called back goal?” Leaf fans: “wait we’ve been reliably informed that you can’t call back an OT goal for a penalty…”

Shanahan insisted they were ready to resign Dubas multiple times. Also indicated he liked his deadline acquisitions. I can absolutely see them retaining the core but using it differently and of course with new support. The very real question of whether or not a different coach could make this core work is an unanswered one and potentially one they'd like to explore before shipping out some of the most important players this team has ever had. Dubas masterfully crafted trades with pieces we often thought immovable. Whether a new GM could do the same with similar gains I'm not convinced of. Whoever they do hire will have large shoes to fill pleasing the public and media. This is an unusual situation given how well the team did compared to others firing management. The risk of changing the team enough that they're left fighting for a playoff spot is very real. MLSE is likely raking in more profit than ever before. Jeopardizing the relationship with the fan base by making several questionable, inflammatory decisions will undoubtedly hurt the organization reputationally as well as financially and I suspect will factor into any core decisions.

Adam-Kiwi, Steve-Apple, And Jesse-Banana. Resolved. LOL

Anybody have a link to the Dangle London Knights story?

sad to see spezza leave

Jesse ur killing me pridham has no more experience then dubas

Pay as you go Butler 😅😂

Will be interesting to see if the next GM can succeed especially if coming in from the outside or ends up being the GM that loses all Matthews, Nylander and Marner

21:31 The moment you're here for.

1:04:45 -- "In Kyle Dubas' five years as Leafs GM, they AVERAGED 106 points." Game, set, match right there. Regular season success but absolute torturous failure in the postseason, year after year after year after year after year. Besides being in the basement, the worst feeling as a fanbase is to be good and not live up to your potential. This is where the 2023 Toronto Maple Leafs stand right now.

Steven casually/seriously dropping the Kardinal Offishall at the 36:40 mark.

As a Seneca j school mans i appreciate the story of someone unloading on douche and then holding a lifetime grudge.

listen that twitter poll is hilarious, i like AZ's social team. i just wish that team could have success man

the goal was called back becasue WHite entered the blue paint on his own and was not forced there by canes players

If the Leafs hire Stan Bowman they deserve what they get. Which will be out of the playoffs on a consistent basis or after next year. You think you have it bad now just wait if you hire Stan.

the Devils were in a similar but still different situation when they fired Shero and Tom Fitzgerald came in, a lot of us thought he was going to be Shero v2 but he's pretty much been what Jessie wants from Pridham, the guy who took his old bosses' work and made edits here and there and thats landed us where the Devils are now. Granted, the situations are not 1 to 1 but I think Pridham is a good candidate to be that guy who was in on all the decisions and the situation but sees it from a different angle and he's clearly a bright hockey mind, I would trust him to make edits to that Leafs team.

Re Cooley: 2 years in college seems to becoming the norm - Knies, Caufield, Power and Beniers all did the 2 years thing and sign the ELC with a few NHL games left in their sophomore year to get it to toll. Since they can negotiate an extension after their 2nd pro year it’s kind of a fast track hack (if they have a good rookie year). They also avoid the nonsense Shane Wright went through

3:20, The penalties were 8 to 2 in Toronto‘s favour by the end of game two

Steve. You Mixed Up Holtby with Vanecek (He the Goalie that Washington Had and then got Him Back after Seattle had Selected Him).

Whoever says Kyle Dubas is a good GM doesn't know hockey!

It really bothered me when they were talking about exceptional status and Adam was listing the 15 year old major junior players. Only 7 players have ever gotten actual exceptional status, which was what Steve was referring to. All those other guys I assume were listed on quant hockey as 15 YOs because they played in a season identified as their 15th year? I know they were allowed to draft 15 year olds back then so maybe only a few got pulled up early?

This is the downhill. How crazy a first round win was the peak? Who would have predicted this?

Jesse I’ll get us good seats at PNC if you can get down here.

Steve should go back to Marek's rink during the winter and invite Tie domi to suit up and suit steve up in goalie gear and see how it feels when Domi puts him in the dirt 90's style. Maybe then he'll get it through his head why goalies shouldnt be hit behind the net.

Why are we saying this is the best decade we have seen? Sundin era had multiple runs to the second round and even conference finals. Do they not remember? Lol

1:26:47 Steve would you have been talking about Andreas Borgman?

Another error: Pridham wasn't "a tool" used by Dubas. He did all the heavy lifting on both analytics and payroll manipulation schemes. These things were beyond Dubas' ability. He only played a "quant" on tv and took all the credit for it (and Dubas fanboys and clueless media ate it up)

Sens fan here...these guys are a better listen than those fake fans over at bardown tsn