Dune: The Bene Gesserit Plan Explained

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2 ай бұрын

In Dune parts one and two, we meet the sisterhood of the Bene Gesserit, an order of women who have spent thousands of years manipulating bloodlines to produce the Kwisatz Haderach. Is Paul Atreides the fulfillment of this prophecy? How did Lady Jessica interfere with the Bene Gesserit plan? How do the Harkonnens factor in? I answer all these questions, and pose more for Dune: Messiah.
This video contains spoilers for Dune (2021), Dune: Part Two (2024), and Frank Herbert's Dune (1965).
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@timothymurray1236
@timothymurray1236 2 ай бұрын
I know nothing of the lore so this really helps, thanks. I'll be going back to the cinema to rewatch it, great movie.
@IwasInverted
@IwasInverted 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting this.
@therealitzatrap
@therealitzatrap 2 ай бұрын
Amazing explanation!
@asciiguy1
@asciiguy1 Ай бұрын
BOOK SPOILERS IN COMMENT I think my read of the books was different, though it has been a while. The Bene Gesserit had limited prescience, but could not perceive the doom of humanity (stagnation), or the Golden Path. In fact the Golden Path is not mentioned in the books till later on, and the Bene Gesserit only begin to perceive the designs of the Tyrant much, much later, in the events of Heretics of Dune, after it's already been set in motion for thousands of years. I thought that's what his note to them is all about. This is exactly what troubled them, that they could not see everything, and they tried to create this Kwisatz Haderach they could control.
@tompearce5418
@tompearce5418 19 күн бұрын
The Golden Path was actually devised by Paul Atreides and carried out by his son Leto II. It stressed that humanity could only survive by spreading outward from the Imperium, far beyond the reach of any central government or authority. This was in direct contrast to the Bene Gesserit goal of placing a superhuman of their own creation on the Imperial Throne and governing the Empire through him. The Atreides established their Golden Path by imposing a tyranny so horrible that humanity would never risk another such regime again, and by providing Siona, a genetically engineered woman whose descendants were hidden from dictators with prescience like the Kwistatz Haderach. (During Leto's time as Emperor renegade scientists on Ix also created navigational computers that ended humanity's reliance on the Spacing Guild, facilitating expansion beyond their control as well).
@easadventures1349
@easadventures1349 12 күн бұрын
How was creating a beaing that can know and see all going to be controlled?
@roxannecheng4371
@roxannecheng4371 Ай бұрын
Good video 😊😊😊😊😊😑
@GizmoMaltese
@GizmoMaltese Ай бұрын
I’m was a bit confused by the motives of the bene gesserit. Their goal was to create the Kwisatz Haderach. Paul proved that’s who he was when he survived drinking the waters of life. In the books their goal wasn’t control but helping humanity by creating a perfect ruler. But the movie makes it seem like they wanted a perfect ruler they could control. That makes no sense. How can you control a super being?
@buggalujuju
@buggalujuju Ай бұрын
Their vanity and ego was their ultimate downfall to being in control of the empire. They thought by raising the kwisatz haderach in their control, that he would be subservient to the bene gesserit sisterhood and their agenda. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, Jessica went against the bene gesserit order and had Paul. She was supposed to only have daughters. She raises paul away from direct control of the sisterhood, but still training him in the ways of the bene gesserit.
@GizmoMaltese
@GizmoMaltese Ай бұрын
@@buggalujuju The Kwisatz Haderach is someone who can see the future and the past and be in many places at once. It doesn't make any sense that they were planning to control him. How exactly would they do that when he would become far more powerful and intelligent that they were?
@buggalujuju
@buggalujuju Ай бұрын
@@GizmoMaltese because their ego, vanity and arrogance allowed them to believe if they raised the kwisatz haderach under their control he would be easily controlled by them. The bene gesserit sisterhood didn't have presience so they could not see beyond their own arrogance. The bene gesserit sisterhood started out with good intentions, but of course the power they gained led to their corruption. Which is part of the point of the story. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
@GizmoMaltese
@GizmoMaltese Ай бұрын
@@buggalujuju The only way for this to make sense is to avoid the word "control." There is no way they would be able to "control" a super being. What they believed is that their way was the right way and the super being would be on their side. Another theory I've heard is that they underestimated just how powerful the Kwisatz Haderach would be and in later books they don't want another Kwisatz because of that. What I don't like is how the Guild is left out of all this. Aren't they the most powerful group. Without them everyone is stuck on isolated planets whtout trade and spice.
@buggalujuju
@buggalujuju Ай бұрын
@GizmoMaltese yes I know there is no logical way to control a super being. I'm not saying that the bene gesserit could have controlled him even if he was under their strict influence. Obviously, they wouldn't be able to do such a thing. What I'm saying is that due to their arrogance, the sisterhood believed they could manipulate anyone, including a super being. You said you were confused by why the sisterhood wanted to create a super being if they couldn't control him. I was offering you an answer to this according to the books. It's all because of ego, power, and arrogance that they were blinded to what actually would and did happen when breeding a kwisatz haderach. Although the Bene Gesserit did not gain control over the empire through the kwisatz haderach, they did accomplish the other goal of their agenda. Which was to breed a super human that would eventually lead to the golden path and the preservation of the human species. Even though Paul could not follow the golden path, his son did.
@FancastFanatic
@FancastFanatic 2 ай бұрын
so they wanted the Atreidis and Harkonen cousins to… this some Game of Thrones stuff or what? Genuinely curious
@yehehehaw
@yehehehaw Ай бұрын
The Bene gesserit Mohiam (old woman) didn't know that Lady Jessica's father is Baron Vladimir the Duke of house Harkonnen. The original plan was Jessica is supposed to have a daughter, to marry off to the Harkonnens and that daughter will bore a son, the supposed to be Lisan Al-Gaib.
@maxwell7470
@maxwell7470 Ай бұрын
The bene gesserit are full of contradictions. They want whats best for humanity while being fully in control. They implanted a religion to control a whole planet of warriors that would conquer the imperium with the leadership of their chosen uber men. Never did they stopped to realized what would a person that can see the past and the future actually do...
@errrr286
@errrr286 2 ай бұрын
So if he's the kwizan haderach but with the wrong genetic code. Does that mean he's not as powerful as he could be or does. Also it seems like they can't control him. Is this cos they didn't expect him to be the one ? And I'm not confused cos does that then mean he's not the lisan algaib or however it's spelt ?
@tbjtbj7930
@tbjtbj7930 Ай бұрын
He's the Kwistaz Haderach. Maybe a KH as planned would have been even more mentally powerful, we will never know. (Spoiler: In the books, Leto II's prescient powers surpass Paul's). But the planned KH would have been under BG control - the BG having some unknown deep plan to obtain and raise the Atreides-Harkonnen child themselves and place it on the throne. The Emperor only has daughters, surely part of this plan. The Lisan-al Gaib is an artificial implanted legend, seeded on worlds across the galaxy so that BG operatives in trouble can use it to obtain sanctuary and support for themselves and any children they may have with them. Paul and Jessica find this legend on Arrakis. Jessica seizes the opportunity to exploit it, Paul is more reluctant. So at one level, there is no Lisan-al Gaib - its just a cynical myth. But the BG have their own messianic plan, and Paul is the KH. So he, uniquely, can fulfil the implanted prophecies. So the result of the BG's tinkering is a out of control KH with a fanatical army at his disposal. Even worse, he is on Arrakis, and so controls the Spice and thus all space travel and commerce. No human has ever had such mental, spiritual, economic, military and political power all at once - will even a KH be able to control it?
@rafaelludicanti2
@rafaelludicanti2 19 күн бұрын
Absolut power. Good. No over me. My price. Bo negotiation. Yes or no?
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