Now that's what I'm talking about. Finally a REAL test of actual PTO HP.

This is why I watch this channel! Awesome videos! Even though I'm on team orange and I have a bx2680, I love all tractors!

💥 Now that was a pretty neat test to see. I’m was surprised how much above the sub compacts were compared to their rated PTO HP. What a great tool to use to compare! Great vid Tim! Keep on tractoring!

Very interesting as we prepare to buy our tractor. Thanks for the time and effort in brining this to us.

Great video again. I love to see old equipment in action and the Dyno test was awesome.

I appreciate the unbiased honest reporting and commentary.

That was a cool test. very glad you two choose to do all these test thank you

Great those guys came out and spent some time with you Tim. Interesting information. Thanks.

Nice to see the M&W Dynamometer! I live with in a few miles of them and actually manufacture parts for Ringo Ag! Cool to see! Thanks

Your videos never disappoint. A very interesting comparison for the John Deere and the Kubota. Thanks

It was cool to see sub compact tractors on the dyno, and to view the results. Seems you have a connection to do more of those in the future. Enjoy your videos, and look forward to more.

I can envision the manufacturers watching this and changing their specs.

I watch a lot of videos Tim and you do an awesome job. This is why I watch you. I have a 1023e and I believe it pulls as strong as the 1025 . Tim thank you and Christy for doing this. Larry Poeschel

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a comparison like this between Deere and Kabota. The comparisons you’ve done so far have been great. Thank you. I have a 1025R and may be biased, but I bought the Deere because of the foot petal placement, the loader control placement, and the resale value in my area. Thank you again for the great videos though the years. TTWT is one of my favorite KZfaq channels.

Tim, thanks for the "in depth" comparison. Wow really did not expect you to go this deep into it. Much appreciated sir👌🏻

That was really cool 😎! Thanks Tim, and fellas.

I've run water cooled dyno's quit a bit breaking in new tractors when sold from the dealer. You can see big differences in the same model/year tractor. Most will be close, but you'll see out liners, over and under spec. Engines increase in horsepower the more hours the engine has, most run the best right before they blow. Some brands are known to overrate horsepower and some underrate them. More common in the lawn mower industry. We sold 66 ford tractors to the state of Indiana once and had to break them all in. Most numbers were close, but i'd say 6 units were off and 1 was way off. we found to be Injector pump problems. Good idea of testing Tim.

Great real world test! Thanks Tim.

I have a 4044R and adding ePTO (It is an option on the 4 series) is one of the best things I have done to my tractor. It not only helps on fuel, but NOISE, it is so much quieter.

Fantastic video as usual loved the comparison

In a word, fun! Very entertaining Tim!

Wow this is a first for me...it was very interesting. Another great video in the series, just awesome. Keep up the great work. God bless.

Great video! Am looking forward to seeing more of the 2038r!

This was really cool video ! Those old dynos are really neat .

Very interesting! Great job doing a fair comparison.

Cool comparison of PTO horsepower with the dyno tester!

Great video Tim. I was curious about the specified PTO hp claimed by manufacturers, versus real world. Thanks for the informative video. Have a great day!

This was great I have always wanted to hook up to one of those. Thanks for the video

Thanks for interesting information Tim.

Good video Tim...interesting results

Thanks! Another great video.

Great video 😁 Tim!!!

Yes, I have a BX1880 and would love to see how it compares!

Nice video tim and what a difference between factorie and real horsepower tim,the "little" tractors having much more 💪💪

That was quite interesting Tim!

Great video!

Definitely a great base line comparison as I am preparing to buy a BX2680 Thank you for the information !

Really enjoyed this video-- and this series! As to the Horsepower meter, I believe there is an electrical equivalent. Horsepower may be compared to electrical watts. To get watts, you need both voltage and amperage. To measure horsepower (watts) this setup uses hydraulic pressure (voltage) and shaft RRM (amperage). The gauge is actually measuring pressure. In order to calibrate the gauge in horsepower, you have to have a fixed RPM, thus the 540 RPM. Hope that makes some sense!

The John Deere dealership where my Dad worked for 50 years had one of these dynomometers until they closed in 2007. They had that thing as far back as I can remember. 2

Great job enjoyed that

M&W Gear Co. Originally started in Anchor, Il and grew then moved to Gibson City ,Il.

Dear Tim, I don’t think there will EVER be another person who would or could do such a detailed and un-biased comparison on 2 leading sub compact tractors ever again. I absolutely Applaud you for your work.. what you are doing is NOT easy.. specially because of the amount of fans for one side or the other that there are.. for you to take so much effort and for you to listen to each and every one of us to make sure you don’t miss a single thing It just amazes me.. Even tho it may not seem like it this is extremely difficult to do.. the work, time, and research that you are putting into each and every one of these videos is outstanding and nobody should be offended.. not one bit.. anybody watching these videos should be THANKFUL that they had the opportunity to learn so much about these two tractors and to be able to see it whether they currently own one or whether they are deciding which one to buy.. you are amazing Tim and I love all of your videos. Thanks for being such a great dude!

Got to love antique tractor clubs!

Great video 👌🏻👌🏻

We used a version of this, to rest outboard marine engines. Very good to check for mid throttle issues, under load. And yes you can shut down a 300hp engine by turning that valve. A v8 outboard, UT of the water with cups.. Has a roar like no other!

interesting results....great video.

Hey TTWT, Interesting fun video. Ted at Everything Attachments used the same model of dynomometer in one of his You Tube videos. Usually he is showcasing some of the many products EA manufacture or market. Apparently Ted's family goes back generations selling Mules to modern implements. This video he dragged the dyno out to show how to ( legal ??? ) tweak the diesel injector pump to increase the engine output of a New Holland tractor. Fun stuff . Thanks and have Christy turn around so we don't just see the back of her head. Take care

Ty for sharing

That was awesome 😎👍

Super cool information. :)

A PTO dyno? Now that's cool. Never seen one of those before.

Pretty cool. Nice video

Generally dynos have a range in which they are accurate. I don't dyno small tractors because our large dynos that we use on 150+ hp tractors won't give accurate readings at low HP ranges. Not sure how that may have impacted your results.

Curious what my L2501 would show. 100c.i. and so many owners say they seem way more powerful than their "rating". Just a great video again Tim. Well done.

Some close numbers on the sub-compact tractors. I figured one would be somewhat higher than the other, but its interesting to see how close they really are but over the manufacturer's rated PTO HP....I guess that's why so many people with their sub-compact tractors are running PTO attachments that are slightly over the tractor's ratings. This was a really interesting test....I too would have liked to see the 1023r and BX1880 to compare to the larger engine versions....and I too would bet they're pretty dang close to each other. People can do some really interesting things with those little tractors you wouldn't think they could do....I think a lot has to do with having the right amount of ballast and someone in the operator's seat that really knows what they're doing.

That was awesome.

That was one of the most interesting videos I have seen on your channel TTWT. Do the Factories use a modern version of a dyno to set the Horse power to PTO's?

Nice job everyone.

A few thoughts... Old rule of thumb is 5hp per foot of Implement. It can be conservative, but also generally matches up correctly with the width of the tractor. Just food for thought for folks in the market. To counter that general rule, I ran a 60" tiller on a 1023e one fall tilling gardens and plots for folks. I bought it setup with the tiller already, so wanted to try it out. It never failed to perform on virgin ground or previously tilled areas. I was impressed. Secondly, I wonder the last time that Dyno was calibrated? A 5hp margin of error on the 5075e is not as significant (percentage wise) as the same 5hp margin of error on the subcompacts. Lastly, the only machine that has actual test results on tractor data is the 5075e. These seem to corroborate your test with it outperforming claimed hp. Link below. www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/005/7/9/5793-john-deere-5075e.html

I can see it being an epa issue on the power rating. At buckley they have a pony brake and they use a formula and pull the engine down in 10 rpm increments and use a scale reading so you can see the power curve of the engine. Next year ill take loader off at buckley if i can build loader prop stands and get there rpm measure vs my tach so i can get a realistic measure where i want my rpms for my max power doing field work

I think you're right Tim, on a small tractors the EPA is the reason they're so underrated. I was told when I bought my 26hp tractor it made the same power as the 33hp one because the DPF robs power. It's like 60's muscle car horsepower ratings for insurance..

Cool stuff. I'm just beginning to look @ a subcompact. I have a friend who I think has a 1025 (about 6 years old so maybe that's changed) and I went into this wanting a Kubota. Now I'm less sure. The lift test was very helpful as was the maneuverability since the 1025 looks like such a bigger machine. Looking forward to the last few installments but it seems like you're being pretty fair.

I have a Yanmar SA324 which is the same engine the 1025r uses. I had a JD455 which had a Yanmar 890cc 3 cyl diesel rated at 22hp. The Yanmar 1200cc engine (rated at 23.9) hp used in the SA324,424, and the JD 1025r is 400cc bigger so it has the potential to have 28 HP at least. They are underfueled, hence no black smoke. They can be turned up to the point of slight smoke under max load.

How's she goin'? The results of this test were surprising eh!!! Nothing that would make upset you, just pretty interesting!!! Thanks for posting!!!

Tim now who is right but now more questions God Bless PaK

Hi Tim and Christy nice video

A nice video. To bad that my John Deere 2017 4044R does not have a big following.....

I love verses at the end of the videos

It's not far out enough to worry lads, they good old dynos, and the tractors output will almost always be out of wack with the manufacturers specs by a small %,, good video

Before I got my jd4200 I had a jd 2040 it was rated at 40 hp but on the Dyno it always put out 48 hp

I would love to put my 3025e on a dynamometer. I wish I knew what the difference between the 3025 and the 3032 was. I would like to turn mine up. They have the same engine

Great video, great idea thankyou! I'm guessing that maybe the PTO specs are debated because as you drive with the hydro trans it steals power so you dont have as much available at the pto.

Older tractors were much heavier and some of them had the PTO tied to the hydrologic pump. So an older heavier tractor with 30 HP or so is not going to as well as a newer lighter tractor with 22-25 HP and an independent PTO and most of the newer sub compact and compact tractors are also 4 wheel drive which is another advantage.

Was it interesting video Tim

My father used to work for a John Deere dealership and he used a dyno like that there to break in tractors after a engine overhaul.

Awesome test and vid....buying either a Kubota 2380 or JD 1025 this week...power seems almost identical between the two...I am leaning towards the JD 1025 but think both are good tractors either way....love your comparisons you're very unbiased best tractor comparisons on youtube IMO.

So I have a B2650 kubota if I get some equipment like a rear flail mower the PTO on the mower is rated at 540 what do you set the tractor at to plan for load while mowing? A little higher than 540?

Was just rewatching this and found it ironic. Tim when the booking up the pto shafts they point out the stubby shaft on the Kubota giving them troubles. Makes me think of your woes and worries using your lx3310

Power scales with RPMs so the measuring device should easily be able to give an accurate Power for any RPM. The catch is that diesel combustion torque drops off fast after its peak at 2k rpm.

Eco mode good for light loads, don't expect much with bigger loads as revs will drop off easily, you know this already, as I said before good video

I live in Boone county in Illinois

if the small deere and kubota are reading over the rated hp and is correct the bigger deere is well under stipulated hp. With the ePto, if you wanted the same hp as in normal mode the 3 or so reduction in hp would mean lowering the revs, therefore saving fuel in e mode for same output. if that makes sense.

Fun video. Interesting test dyno. Id go with its accuracy. Hey Tim, looks like more salads than Cheeseburgers lately 👍

Good test with what you had to work with. One thing to take into account is fuel. That changes a lot depends on time of year

I think I see an International Harvester pickup truck in the driveway.... you should of done a walk around look see on it. Would like to hook that machine up to my JD,, will it do 80+hp at 1000 rpm.

Cool stuff, pretty interesting to see the comparison, hard to believe hp difference from the specs. It might be like u said, manufacturing pushing the EPA envelope.

I’ve been saying this since i got my 1025r they’re definitely sand bagging these 25 and under HP engine. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they’re making closer to 30hp all day long at the crank. You can thank a competitive market and regulations for that. It’s not that hard to surmise, that they’re fudging the numbers a bit to get above the competition.

That was interesting , I don't know if Deere still do it but they used to advertise the full HP right out the box on new tractors. so on day one if it was 150 pto it was, when everything got bedded in a freed up you'd quite often find a stock tractor was more HP. Something like an IH might of been lower like 125 new, then say 150 hp after a few hours. Just like they say with cars and trucks the mileage should get better after X miles L.O.L. I have one of those Dyno's sitting in my shop, the local tractor dealers quit farm equipment repairs and went full automotive/ heavy truck instead. it was sitting in the corner dripping oil for years, they wanted to expand the shop taking one of the walls out. The day I was in the boss was mad with it and said make an offer it's bargain of the day. I just jokingly said $200, thinking it was worth way more. He said done it had better be cash, off to the cash machine I went. They loaded it in my truck, now it drips oil on my floor in the corner L.O.L i got to fix that, and want to use it to run in a Perkins I'm rebuilding for a customer tractor. Thanks for the video, Take care.

That was a true treat! I have a feeling they were right on the money speculating that dyno was about 5 hp off. Might be calibrations, might be temperature related. May even be something to do with the accuracy of each gauge pertaining to the measurements to get the rated hp. Would be really cool to see how that old dyno worked with a tear down! When my dad grew up on the farm, they used to call the ol two cylinder johnny’s “putt- in - now nows” after that characteristic pop they had.

The dyno measures torque. Torque times rpm times a factor equals horsepower. I wonder why they didn't have torque directly on the sclae?

The difference between horsepower and torque is that torque is a measurement, and horsepower is a calculation. The reason HP is off at the wrong speed is because a dyno measures torque; horsepower is merely a calculation of measured torque at a specific RPM. Wrong RPM = wrong HP calculated, hence the conversion chart.

I don't facebook either, this is as social media as i get.

Very fair comparison

Are they both HST? Im sure the PTO HP would drop while HST is being used

what part of boone county are you from . i was born in lebanon

It's interesting that the unit read the PTO horsepower for the 1025r above what even the engine is rated for (24-25 hp for the PTO with an engine rating of 23.9 hp). I'd say there was certainly an issue with accuracy, but a great comparison between the two tractors. On an unrelated note, I wonder why the 1023e has a PTO hp rating of only 65% of the gross engine output, while the 1025r has a PTO hp rating of 75% of the gross hp rating of the engine? I'd expect the internals of the PTO drive to be identical between the two tractors.

Very interesting Tim for sure. I'd be curious to see what my 5065e Pulls....The cab on that 5075 must be why it's not pulling as much as it should. Again very interesting video brotha....I'm impressed. Hope this video does well for ya! Josh

I'd like to get a better look at that international truck in the background

Seems that the dyno is reading pretty consistent 5 to 6 lower then the stated actual. Both tractors had 5 more hp then manufacturer stated. Interesting

Sounds like the result with EPT mode is more power is directed to the PTO versus the drive train.