If you could design a ship for the imperial navy (without overlapping with some other incredible fan designs like that Fleet Carrier), then what would you think of bringing in? I myself might go with something of a Heavy Cruiser or a light/escort Star Destroyer. The main focus is that its overall shape would be closer to a diamond than a triangle (though I would say that in the same way a typical naval warship is more like a diamond than a triangle). In historical terms, if the ISD is comparable to the Nelson Class battleship in terms of its weapon arcs, then this ship would be more akin to the more typical "guns both forwards and aft" style of most battleships. Its bridge would be amidships, and it would possess 3 octuple turbolaser barbetts on the "center ridge" its bow section, with another 2 on the stern section (the area for where the third might be effectively being reserved for the engines). Much like the orientation of a number of real-world battleships and battlecruisers in the WW1-WW2 era. The bottom of the hull would contain single turbolaser batteries along its underside ridge, which are especially intended for orbital bombardment but which can function as normal turbolasers as well (though of course due to being in string of single mounts, their firepower is dramatically lower than the 5 mounts of 8 each on top of the ship). The sides of the vessel does technically contain the usual "trench" from a design standpoint, but this area has been covered over with a sheet of armor to protect this area of the ship from enemy fire (the vessel is intended to fly broadside to enemies). For Ion Cannons, there is one heavy ball mount on the very bottom center portion of the ship that can basically aim at anything that isn't above the ship, and a group of smaller mounts on the hull to each side of the bridge, akin to a secondary battery. This incidentally makes the bridge-side weapons among the few weapons systems intended for ship-on-ship combat that have fairly restrictive firing arcs (this does have the occasional beneficial side effect of "forcing" these positions to fire on whatever is most threatening to the bridge itself though). The top and bottom of hull where the the armor plates converge like this are where most of the lighter laser weapons, including anti-fighter mounts, are. The bridge isn't particularly short, but is relatively compact so as not to block the firing arcs of the main guns. The bridge itself would just have a little AA on it, weapon-wise. There are three shield generators. One in front of the bridge (basically part of where the bridge meets the hull), one behind it in a similar fashion of attachment, and one on the vessel's underside. The vessel possesses only a small amount of hangar space, split between a small one on the rear part of the bridge (which is basically meant for shuttles and has a few TIEs as well, usually whichever elite squadron the ship may have, as well as any personal fighter a commander might have if they have one), and a second small one with a bit more capacity towards the rear of the vessel, near the engines. Take-offs and landings have been noted to being a bit rough for newcomers for the second hangar, who instead of taking an arcing approach/exit, fly in a straight line when entering and exiting once or twice before learning the hard way that engine wash is a thing they need to take into account due to its positioning relative to the engines (design-wise, it was put there to basically keep it "hidden" from weapons during broadside engagements, as the armor that blocks the engines off from most angles of attack also block the area where this hangar is). Stat-wise, it would be smaller than an ISD of course. While actually 70-80% of the length of an ISD, due to only getting wider until about halfway through its length (after which it gets narrower again), it would actually be substantially smaller in sheer volume. Also, while is only 15-20% faster than an ISD, it has somewhere between 2 and 3 times the turning rate of an ISD. The vessel's design is effectively intended to be a mixture of a screening vessel and broadside capital ship, with a good 300 degrees of total firing arc where all 5 octuple barbettes (and the less impressive underside mounts) can fire in that direction at once. Even from directly behind, the two rear main batteries and heavy ball-mount ion cannon (as well as a number of single mounts and some of the smaller ion weapons) can still hit pretty much anything that isn't already close enough to be directly in the full brunt of the engine wash. With its decent-enough speed and its very high maneuverability for a vessel of its length, it can fairly quickly fill a gap in a disorganized fleet formation and bring its full firepower to bear in the direction it is needed. Even in the worst case scenario of a fleet of an ISD and other assets being directly ambushed via a hyperspace jump to right BEHIND them, by the time the ISD has turned enough to even let a couple of its own octuple mounts fire at the rearward enemy, these smaller screening vessels will have already gone broadside, and would have been able to aim and fire everything they had at the rearward enemies for over half of the time they have been turning. Its use would effectively be to screen between the larger star destroyers, and any smaller escort ships like frigates. Whereas a proper Star Destroyer cannot fire everything in one direction easily, it makes a great ship for firing on multiple targets on multiple sides. This Light/Escort Star has far fewer guns, but can effectively match or exceed the firepower an ISD can bring to bear to targets at certain angles, as it has very good firing arcs and a turn rate that lets it easily keep other capital ships from being anywhere except its preferred broadside angles. But of course, its total firepower is nowhere near that of an ISD in a full head-on engagement with its preferred firing arc. Nonetheless, its ability to direct a still rather substantial amount of gunnery in basically any direction it needs to makes it a great asset for any fleet, and a great cheaper vessel to assign as a flagship to areas that don't merit sending an entire ISD to, but which still merit some form of power beyond some old cruiser and a Lancer Class. And with a broadside of 20 turbolasers in its 5 top mounts and the 10 or so weaker ones in single mounts on its underside, this vessel is more than capable of projecting fear to those who might seek to rebel (particularly as the 10 "weaker" ones are effectively designed with orbital bombardment optimization in mind). Yeah, I just sorta came up with most of that as I was typing out the basic idea, and it definitely counts as me getting carried away. But for those who actually read this all, what do you think of this design idea?

The ISD bridge is not exposed. Especially when we are talking about the fighter context. Whoever tried to perform an attackrun would have to get through the killzone while not having too many escape vectors. Dezign is in fact well thought out and to the point. On any other battleship, Bridge can be attacked from any side. ISD, you can only attack from the front. What's more, the massive tower separates the bridge from artillery attacks on each side, bypassing the view of the bridge itself. And even if someone manages to hit nearby, the surrounding compartments will absorb the attack. What more you want?

Hey can you do a versus video on Starhawk Battleship vs the Resurgence class Battle cruiser who would win in a fight

Another amazing video but I'm gonna have to give it to the Herald personally I think the ships of overall design better yes for example the sensory bulbs might give you battlefield data but at that point unless you are launching reinforcements on the ground battlefield data is pretty much useless because at that moment your fighting a battle and unless you have deep Information knowing that year outnumber or at your opponent as purifier power isn't really going to help you and ask for the generators being located behind heavy guns that would be great if your dealing with freighters and other Heavier ships especially heavy bomber but with your basic fighters those heavy guns are pretty much useless and since the Empire doesn't believe in using a lot of point defence systems your basically having a giant gun you really can't hit smalle moving targets with so overall even though the Empire has better technology and is more advanced I'm gonna happen to Herald because the design makes a lot more practical sense having heavy guns pointed forward along with point defence systems and having more shield's spread out throughout your ship makes more sense the only thing I will give the Empire is they do have a better launch system for their fighters but even that has witnesses both ships have their own weaknesses in that category Because yes launching ships out front leaves them open to anti fighters Systems and pretty much they are left open to heavy guns an enemy fighters but having them dropout also leaves them vulnerable to enemy fighters so both of them have that weakness but overall think the Herald was designed more practical and it was designed for war not to be used as a weapon for intimidation

Harrower is Better... for its time

Its more pound-to-pound stronger than a lazy ISD. A fleet of them would be way better than one of only ISD (and WAY CHEAPER too)

The Silencer?

@@charliespurr7325 yes that’s the super weapon

It's firepower was far inferior to the ISD and the super laser was not standard. It is, however, more versatile and similar to the CIS' Munificent but with better carrier capabilities. A better backbone for a navy than the ISD which is better used as a dedicated battleship

@@ohionumber1247 that's what I thought

To let one with two bits missing.

This sounds like the description of an experiment Jeremy Clarkson would conduct.

@@someone9906 "Today, I, in my brilliance, will finally find out what is the strongest sweet in the world. Toblerone, or Toblerone with a bit missing?"

Those lazzy mf didnt even put the last year patch. Im still waiting for the new galaxy announcement

@@joaop4585 ikr

A man of Culture

Tlotney ain't even thrown a shape yet

You mean blowing it up

More effective than a ISD. And a Harrower propably is way more cheaper. So, more effective and cheaper. A fleet of those babies would be great

@@joaop4585 Considering they’re about half the size I imagine they’re about half the cost too. And it’s size probably allows it to be faster and more maneuverable too

@@Manomet84 Dude, its further that, a Venator (yeah it has less weapons and some design difference) cost almost 60M credits, a ISD 150M. A ship with of that size and capacite cost 2.5 less than a ISD. I just think that a Harrower is cheap af LOL

@@joaop4585 oh nice lol, that is pretty cheap

I think that the Harrower could take the spot of a Victory in the imperial fleet. I really like the victory, but this can act as a carrier and has better weapon placement.

That’s funny

Thay cutout is protected by the sheilds regardless. A capital ships entire defence is reliant on its sheilds, lose those and you've basically lost the ship. Even if thay wasn't the case, the big "weakspot" is positioned such that you need to be directly in its primary firing arch to target it. Compared to the ISD, which has next to nothing defending it's big hangar weakspot, this actually makes it far harder to attack directly. A single unescorted ISD without its fighters could reasonably be killed by a single corellian corvette getting behind it at close range, picking off the sheilds (it has no rear firing weapons), then maneuvering underneath the ISD into the hangar bay and attacking from inside it. The Harrower has no such weakness, its sheilds are placed such that they are covered by large weapon emplacements and the hangars demand you pass infront of most of its firepower. Oh and they also have weapons emplacements on the underside of the hull.

I think the hangers have another disadvantage: at the place that is left out in comparison to the imperial class star destroyer, isnt just empty metal in case of the imperial stardestroyer. I dont exactly now what is inside, but even if its just for supplies like food or water it could give a good advantage outside of battle

@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 most (over half) of the internal space in an ISD (they are truely massive inside), is "empty space" in that it's not vital ship systems and can be configured however is needed. The reactor takes up about 30% of the volume, the hangars and vehicle bays (has nearly 10k stormtroopers aboard, along with all their ground attack assets including 2 full forward base deployment modules) less than 10%, the rest is given over to storage (2 years of food, water, etc,) and personnel space (the crew is massive). This is from the technical drawings that have been released btw. The Harrower has likely the same amount of space proportionally for its reactor, but carrys less supplies (you really don't need 2 years of supplies when your a few hours from a resupply base at all times), and has a significantly smaller crew (they use alot more droids). Should note this is guesswork however, no technical blueprints exist that I have seen (doesn't mean they don't exist).

@@cgi2002 The Harrower seems to have more guns proportional to its size and was augmented with super weapons several times without power output being mentioned as a concern. So I would guess that it has more space dedicated to its reactors proportional then the ISD. Also the distance in game that you need to travel to get from hangers to points of interest seems unusually small compared to smaller republic ships in game.

@@cgi2002 if this was possible then the tantive IV would have faired alot better in A New Hope

@@empirednw6624 agreed

Imagine if the revamped Harrower you’re suggesting had a Silencer Cannon. Sure you lose your fighters but you get a fleet killing laser.

@@cipherxi8513 I agree with you, like having only one of those and the rest of the fleet would be the normal ones, cuz I was thinking something like a Venator but... Better? I think I also like the design of the ship more because the Bridge isn't exposed like it's counter parts, and it kinda reminds me of a Victory, a ship that I also like (V1 btw)

@@cipherxi8513 That is certainly an interesting idea, but I have no idea how expensive the Silencer was to produce. Assuming it was extremely expensive, one might opt for a frontally mounted heavy turbo laser cannon, like the extremely long-ranged ones seen on Supremacy. That would give it an extreme range advantage over any other capital ship.

@@seadaw2152 We’ll have never a actual number but the project had been nearly finished and needed only a single component for the project to be finished. It was not really hard for the Sith Empire to build them as it was only converting Harrowers into Silencers. I would say it was maybe 10-20 Million Credits. Also I like your point but The Silencer has been shown to fire its cannon and destroy a fleet while it was out of firing range from The Republic Fleet who was battling a lone Harrower at the time.

@@cipherxi8513 I am well aware of the raw power of the Silencer as I have played SW:tOR myself, in fact the Inquisitor was the first class I played, so thank you for taking the time to explain, but it really wasn't necessary. If your estimate is true, there would indeed be virtually no point to choose a super-heavy turbolaser over the Silencer. I was merely stating a hypothetical as a result of my lack of knowledge about the Silencer's production costs. So: Good point.

@@papapalps2415 Is pretty simple, my estimated. Just look at the bridge. The bridge doesn't has a lot of height, compared to the ISD. Is like the Resurgence Class Star Destroyer from the First Order. Just look at the photos in the internet. Bridges are crucial parts of these ships. Take down the bridge, and command structures goes down. Without command structure, without a brain, everything goes down, too. Do you request more proof of why the Harrower has a less exposed bridge therefore you cannot insta kill it with an A-Wing crashing right into the command structure?.

@@papapalps2415 the Bridge Spire on an ISD is a structural weak spot, and you never want to loose bridge crews, even if you have secondary bridge.

Just a note to add to the launching fighters issue Eck mentioned. How is this an issue, they are inside the shields when launching. They can launch and instantly split off in several directions above and below the ship before they even leave the sheild bubble. It only becomes an issue once the sheilds are down, and even then it's less of an issue than the ISD's big lower hangar is. To attack the ISD's hangar, there are basically no weapons on the underside to defend it, to attack the narrower bow hangar, you need to put yourself directly under its guns.

@@cgi2002 Not to mention that the Venator basically did the same thing as the Harrower. And the Venator is a beast.

@@proudamerican183 yes, main difference is the Venator is designed more around been a carrier (and has the same stupid explosed bridge design). The Harrower is a battleship (more so than the ISD, it out guns it in total weapons), that just happens to have realised "I,ve got alot of empty space inside, I can carry fighters".

@@cgi2002 In defense of the Venator's dual bridges, in my opinion, it makes sense. And I will agree that the Harrower was a battleship that realized it had space to carry fighters.

@@proudamerican183 exposed bridges made sense in WW2, and to a degree they still do today as a backup. But a ship is not commanded in combat from the bridge anymore, the CIC is in the heart of the ship far from danger, radar and cameras made this possible. SW has this tech, you'd think putting your key command and control systems deep in the core of your ship (best example in modern scifi is the covenant, their bridges are in the middle of the ship). A "sensor tower" may make sense, but I'd not be putting my key officers in a visable weak spot. Dual exposed bridges makes even less sense,except as a backup, and even then, they are too close together. If you can hit one, you can hit both. Space is big, basically empty, and a "commanding view" isn't really needed. If it's close enough to see with your eyes, a camera can do it just as well.

I see efficiency and price. I made the calculations to a Venator full of a wing, y wings and arc 77 would be 2M credits cheaper than a ISD of a tie fighter, tie bomber and tie interceptor And i think the same happens to a Harrower

Just think os a pound-to-pound Harrower full of a wings, y wings and arc 77 vs ISD full of tie standards fighter My bets are on the Harrower efficiency

@@joaop4585 and say you being it’s weapons, armor, and power output up to date, then it’s looking far better, right

@@LoneWolf20213 yeah, i didnt like Ecks not counting guns and technologies upgrades to the Harrower boy, but whatever. I would totally do a fleet of them instead of a ISD

The Harrower is both more practical and more efficient though. This is more "effective well balanced warship" vs "iconic orbital bombardment platform pretending to be a warship".

Holy crap Eck. Thanks!

use a 3500 BBY ship in a skywalker film? Nah

@@Fruituss Yes, however just because they're an old design doesn't mean that they cannot be reproduced and updated with modern technology.

@@Fruituss lol I mean technically I don’t think the star destroyer cannon anymore so they could just use the design scale them up hell they could put the laser where the hanger considering they already thought of that in the old republic lol it would have been better then seeing a scaled up star destroyer design that’s been a a bunch of movies already

They scaled up the ISD 1 for the Xyston-class so they definitely had some leeway with the Harrower.

@@wyoboy01 that’s a difference of a few decades, not a few thousand years

Nah firepower to different

@@jbone9900 I don't know if there is official stats for this but given the feats and bombardments that both have managed I don't see any reason to believe the civil war era turbolaser hold any major advantage. The Harrower has had superweapons mounted to it that could wipe a planet or fleet in an instant while in civil war era equivalent (the eclipse) had to be far larger to do the same thing. We also see a lot of unique tech, like hyper space beacons, disappear between the two wars so we can't just say one is older and therefore weaker.

@@viperstriker4728 again your exaggerating the holler tech plus its. Underpowered in the clone wars era let alone imperial era. The holler was good for it's time but it was no planet killer

@@jbone9900 The silencer killed fleets, the desolator killed planets, and the gauntlet killed ships in hyperspace. Any of these is comparable to eclipse and thus should drew similar power, yet they were all mounted on Harrowers without mention of modified reactors. So for its size it must have had a way oversized reactor which explains why it has more guns then the ISD. And swtor makes it quite clear several times that the bombardment of Coruscant (by harrowers) was almost complete destruction like Taris or any base delta zero in the imperial era. I would even argue that the tech of the old sith empire was more advance on average then the Palatine's empire with exception of the maw installation. Of course all of the swtor lore is non-canon but canon hasn't filled in the old republic so until it does I will continue to use non-canon sources. swtor-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Silencer_(superweapon) swtor-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Desolator_(superweapon) swtor-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Gauntlet_(superweapon)

@@viperstriker4728 my bad guess I was wrong to me it seem like a. huge flaw especially for a sith empire and in one of the links such a weapon correct me if. If iam wrong was used against sith leadership

Plus, since the ship's weapons are clearly laid out in a way that prioritizes broadside fire, the claim that the bow will be towards a rival capital ship comes under serious doubt

I would replace “Sangheili” with the Swords of Sangheilos. The Swords of Sangheilos is a true military and naval as opposed to a mercenary group, terrorist organization or war-band like other Sangheili factions.

witch version of manndos there has been at least 2 i would also add the eiltes while can have good commanders are very few ( from what I know of )

@@LOVEPHOENIXDANCERMandalorians during the Mandalorian Wars

Turians are going to get stomped, but there will so epic while doing it no one will mind. Mandos weakness seems to be how disorganized they are when put against a skilled strategist but it's a toss up for me on if the Sangheili will be able to capitalize on this. I write off the Tal'darim due to the high probability of infighting, they resemble the sith too closely to run an effective military.

@@viperstriker4728 The Tal'darim don't have as much infighting as you may think

Different enemies, different doctrines. The empire was fighting separatists while the Sith empire was fighting the whole republic and the Jedi order

If the officers are a package deal.... I will stick with the Harrower.

Shouldn’t you be catching fugitives instead of watching KZfaq?

@@ohionumber1247 fugitives are all over KZfaq

@@senatorluxbonteri6065 good point

@The FBI I’ve talked it over and you can continue your job looking for KZfaq fugitives

Even the FBI has good taste

If you upside it to the size of a ISD and gave it modern gun emplacements it would be a beast so I agree with you

No, I don't think so

@@EckhartsLadder I really like the N-1 designt but I dont think it would be much of a mach for the T-65. However I would like to see a comparison between the N-1 and other fighters of similar abilities (maybe a future episode of factions compered?). I would also like to say I love the channel Eck the content is great keep up the amazing work this is definitely one of the best star wars KZfaq channels!

That depends on whether any faction that inevitably destroys it is able to salvage its vastly superior technologies and apply it to its own navy

I can answer the third one, Republic or Empire loses, badly. We know that The Eternal Fleet alone managed to take on and win against both The Sith Empire and Republic. Also they have the Grave Stone which could destroy about maybe 20-30 Ships. It would be a slaughter. Ground Forces however, I believe that the Empire or Republic would have a chance as Skytroopers/Iokath Droids were seen to be pretty ineffective against basic Troopers.

The Celestials are way more powerful then the Vong.

5.The Imperium of Man absolutely slaughthers the Vong

Imperium of Man bulldozes the Vong on the way to counter the next Tyranid hive fleet.