I must say that stumbling upon your KZfaq videos, have answered many questions of mine. Even the individuals in the comment section plays a huge role in my question as it pertains to Irons. ELITE!

I don't let idiots work on my clubs. I watch people like you AJ and learn to do it.

Nothing feels like a Mizuno! So, do you ever use heat in the process? I would think it would help the cast clubs withstand the pressures better without sacrificing the grain structure.

That was fun and entertaining as well as informative. I have a need to go flatter on some of my clubs. That's why I came here. Great video.

I just wanted to say that your content is awesome. I used to work in a clubmaking workshop and you really know your stuff. Hope you soon get the subs and views you deserve.

Like you said, surprising how far that cast club went. Back when I worked in a golf shop, since I was bending other people's clubs, I was usually pretty conservative with what I said I could bend. I think I told them maybe 1 or 2 degrees for a cast club and 3 or 4 for a forged club. For Pings, I remember trying once or twice, but I had to put so much force on them to get barely any bend, that I wasn't comfortable with it, so I eventually started recommending people go through Ping for adjustments. The shop didn't have an official waiver process like Ping does when you make a repair order, so I didn't want to be on the hook for anything breaking.

Enjoyed the vid! this de-bugs the myth that most club repairer say that you cant bend a cavity back club more than 2*.

The cracking sound of the cast club is rather familiar! Obviously steel work hardens as it is bent and once it gets hard enough it will break, I broke quite a few years ago from bending them back and forth doing idiotic experiments LOL. A couple years ago I bent some cast clubs upright some as much as 10 degrees or so by bending a few degrees at a time and then heat treating the heads to anneal them. I heat treated them by putting them in a little enclosure I made out of brick and then heating them with a couple of propane torches until they glowed cherry red. After that I closed the enclosure and let them cool very slowly. I could feel the bend stop after a two or three degrees and would know that it was time to heat treat again. LOL Just thought I would mention my experience not that anybody cares! .

Loved the Homer impression, great content from AJ as always. Thank you.

Another interesting video AJ. I had my clubs bent twice in the past - 2 deg flat, both sets were cast clubs. The first set had chrome finish and all was fine. The second set had satin finish. A few of the irons showed some sort of surface (coating) cracks near the neck after the bending. Perhaps chrome finish is more durable and can take more punishment.

One thing I learned from having irons bent is that is often the reason there is one (or more) clubs in a set that allow for hitting the ball straighter. I long ago established that 1 degree flat from factory specs works for me. In more than one instance the preferred club(s) are already at 1 degree flat from factory specs. I have never even thought about having lofts checked because I have never had a swing that allowed me to hit any club a specific distance.

Great video AJ, thank you as always.

Very interesting and thank you for the video! I think the manufacturer always play a bit tad conservative with how far the iron can be bent. But sometimes, the pro shop or golf store will also play a bit conservative as they don't want to damage the club. Most times I just ask the club to be bent to their default lies/loft,... may be a video to test how much the loft/lie angle can change after playing with them for a year? Steel is typically where we might have issues.

Thanks. Awesome video. I've been trying to get someone to bend my irons 2 degrees flat but since they are stainless steel cast, no one will do it so far. I'm encouraged to keep asking around. I've only gone to three shops. They are game improvement steel irons.

Thanks for all your videos AJ! 🙏

My club pro has always given me grief about bending my clubs. I'm five six and according to every fitting I have done, with my height and swing, my clubs should be 2.25° flat! Now I have ammunition to reassure him it will be fine. Thanks again.

This is the reason I play soft carbon steel irons now. I typically need 3-4 degrees bending and most soft forged irons bend so easy. I've used some of those high cor irons that have a thin face forged into a softer body but they typically heat treat the whole head after the fact and it makes the body firmer as well making it difficult to bend. I've had my share of snapped hosels on the bending machine over the years.

Stainless steel DOES have a slight spring effect. They have to be overbent slightly. They then instantly snap back a little. Since this is all when the club is still in the machine, it isn't a problem. You can figure out where it has ended up and adjust farther if necessary. Forged clubs don't have any spring back. They stay exactly where they were moved.

Great video! Good to know. I have an old set of 762's I was thinking about having bent to "modern" specs just for fun. I don't really care if they're broken in the process. But I don't want to pay to have them broke🤣 we'll see.

Very educational.thank you

Your doing great on your videos! "We really enjoy it" made me subscribe

Great video, love the analysis of the two options

such great content! thanks AJ

Great video. I recently ordered a set of MP20-MB irons 2* flat and 2* strong (to match HMB lofts) and going to blend them into HMB’s. Typically my irons are 1* flat with wedges 2* flat expecting to make some loft and lie adjustments once I can test properly after U.K. lockdown!

Good video, I too work on clubs ( Maltby Lie/Loft machine ) ( part time hobby ) and have snapped cast clubs. One time years ago I purchased around a dozen different make and model cast clubs to mess with and bust to check how much bend I could get away with, oh I wish I had thought to video the fun me and my buddy had doing damage to the clubs. PS have you ever done a video on bending Hybrids clubs and Hybrid irons, that would be interesting to me, as it is something I don't have the equipment for but might get if Santa is good to me, I would love to see what you do and think on this process. Thanks for any reply.

Love your chanel.

Keep in mind there IS a difference in Mizuno forgings. They use a longer bar and forge the hosel and clubhead at the same time so the grain is uninterupted from the tip of the hosel to the end of the clubface. Most others forge the clubhead and hosel SEPARATELY and "spin weld" the hosel onto the clubhead. This MAY cause "spin welded" forged hosels to break earlier than the Mizuno you used.

excellent presentation

Most component companies Golfworks Dynacraft KZG use a 431 stainless in their cast clubs. More than 2 or 3 is risky. Most OEMs are married to 17-4 for their cast clubs. Up until a few years ago Ping was exclusively 17.4 even in their “better players”line. 17.4 is extremely hard to bend even on the higher dollar Mitchell machines. Or maybe I need to spend more time min the gym!

Would sitting the club in hot water maybe allow you to bend the hosel more and with less effort?

It's probably basic for people who would look at such a video but it would be nice if you briefly explained why anyone would want to do this, thanks

😂 enjoyed that!

Great Video Thank you

HI Aj, have you ever bent Ping clubs? If so how much can you get out of them?

Probably a stupid question - are the iron lie angles consistent through the set, or change as the clubs lengthen?

Have you tried bending XXIO cast irons? I've the XXIO eleven model irons and would like to bend the AW and PW a couple of degrees stronger lofts.

Question, can (you) take my Callaway Rogue ST max irons from standard degree, to one degree flatter on the lie, and one degree more on the loft. If this is possible, I know you're the person for it.

I have wondered if heating the cast irons first with a torch would help the bending without breaking...

A J love your Chanel. I’m a mid 80 golfer and I’m wanting to try forge clubs. Now I’m talking iron heads only. Can you recommend one. Now I don’t want a real expensive because if I don’t like them and then on the other hand no cheapy that may not give me a true forged head feeling. Maybe a shaft also. I will assemble them myself.

Excellent video...very well explained...quick question : I need to bend a putter shaft to a 30*shaft bend on single bend shaft..not pos about the actual * it came with.. the putter head was designed by a TM guy, with a reverse angle socket of about 30*... why it was designed like this is beyond me, but you may be aware of sockets that start the shaft leaning away from the golfer... a 90* socket would have been better IMO. any ideas how to bend this shaft, as it is too upright ?? Thanks

Different stainless steel alloys will bend different amounts. 17-4 stainless will hardly bend at all. It was used for early steel drivers and is still used for fairway woods and hybrids especially away from the face. Their faces can sometimes be maraging steel or something else. There is also 15-5, 431, and 304 stainless steel. 304 stainless steel is as soft as forged iron heads. 431 is relatively soft. 15-5 and 17-4 are harder. As an example of a softer alloy, Titleist AP1 cast iron heads will bend fairly easily. They are probably 431.

Well that would make a cool key chain lol

When getting near the limits of the bend (whatever that may be for the type of head), would one run into an issue with the hosel warping and compromising the shaft epoxy? I ask because I play forged one-length clubs, all at 37.5" length, bent up to 65° from the stock 62.5° (and the corresponding loft readjustment) and have had issues with the heads coming off since the first bend. Must add that this was done professionally.

7 for a cast is a lot... I've never experienced a cast iron that moved that much. Good experiment.

Would applying heat to the club with a torch make it easier to bend and prevent the club from breaking? The only issue I am thinking with applying heat up the club is for the shaft to come off once the glue melted. I have irons (cast stainless steel) that are 3 degrees upright (Ping green dot) that I want to reduce the lie angle by 2 degrees flatter as I'm older and the swing has gotten flatter. I went to a local golf store but was told that stainless steel irons with time will return to its original casted lie angle, which I found it hard to believe. I think they just didn't want to be responsible if the irons break while bending them.

AJ, any tips on protecting the finish, top line, and sole on softer heads while bending? Too many times have I taken irons to get adjusted after 1/2-full season of play and they come back all marred up and dented from tool marks.

What about spinning clubs all shaft hero What about spinning shaft bbe What about spinning shaft befotr installation

Hey so I have a quick question, so I bought a 2iron Taylormade 3degrees upright and I went to dicks to get it bent 1degree flat since it was to much and when they were bending it, they over bent it so they immediately bent it back and a crackling noise was made, I was wondering if I should be worried or should I be good and not worry? No cracks or marks are on the head

When we move iron lie angle flatter like 3 degrees. Does the loft weaken too ? Or stronger?

What about cast irons

Nothing feels like a Mizuno... even when it breaks.

Hi mate. Nice job. Would it be dommageable to change the loft of my Vokey SM8 from 52deg to 50deg ? What about bounce and sole relation to thé ground during the swing ? Cheers.

Have you ever tried making a chipper out of a 7-8 iron bending them? Was thinking of trying it as I don’t want a chipper that looks like a chipper

I would love to see a video of bending back and fourth like one guy bends 2° flat then 1° upright then sells them and next guy bends 4° flat and then back upright and see what happens and even before they fail hit them and see if they are still solid and playable

Can you heat a hozel to get it to bend easier?

I live in australia i have a set of mizuno jlx 825pro i cant find a second hand set here in oz can you still get them in the usa or would you recomend that i upgrade to mizuno 919 hot metal i love my jpx825 pro so much my problem is if i buy 2nd hand set have to take to club fitter to fit me and cost will be around $100 per club and also club fitters are a dying trade in australia hard to find em anymore becuase of big club companies

I wonder if the loft will bend more or less?

Hi, how much would you say that a P790 could be bent upright? Thanks

Ah nice!!

You are assuming the score lines on the face are parallel to the sole of the iron. That isn't always the case. It is better to make sure the sole is flat against the stops and the face is centered in the machine.

If you were to pick from 2deg 3deg or more what degree of change from stock position is safe to move most forged irons on lie & loft?

I am considering buying used ping g710 irons with 2* upright. I would need them to be back to „normal“. Did you ever tried to bend these kind of irons?

Can you bend the lie of hybrids (taylormade RBZ)?

Love the videos. I have been fit a few times for irons and given standard lie angles and lengths. My mizuno jpx 919 forged have a low trajectory especially in the longer irons. Discovered recently my wingspan finger tip to finger tip is 70.5 inches and my height is 66 inches. My wrist to floor is 31 inches also... I am wondering have you ever adjusted irons for lie and length for someone with similar measurements? And does loft need to be adjusted with the changes in lie angle? Any info would be very much appreciated thanks

Wish you had done a up angle bend

Would you get any more bend if you applied heat? Maybe with a propane torch?

AJ…I follow your feed and just came across this vid; what about changing loft? or at least checking it periodically? Does playing potentially change the loft/lie on forged clubs? Thx

Interesting. I’ve been playing Callaway Pro irons for several years. Last year, after many back and forth emails with my local Club Champion where I was fitted for these irons and new shafts at more than $1,000, I wanted the loft and lies checked. They reluctantly agreed. They checked the lofts and had me swing only a 6 iron, said the lie was ok; never checked any of the other irons and then told me they can’t bend cast clubs!

I was told I could not get my cast irons loft adjusted... Was I lied too by pga golf superstore?

Would it be reasonable for me to expect to find a club fitter to be able to bend my Taylormade M4 2018 cast irons? They are new and have been used 2 times and I feel like they need a 1 or 2 degree adjustment flat.

Was looking to get a nicer set of clubs. I have a set from when I was like 17 and now im 23. I used to play baseball so my mechanics are pretty good and I can swing it pretty good and I make solid contact. Wanted to know if there are some good clubs that will give me more reason to go out and play. I dont need a pro set but id like a nice set. Ive been looking at the Cobra steel set and the Strata Callaway set but I am worried with how fast I swing the club that the shaft on the Stratas might not hold up.

So we can guess that Loft bending results should be similar, enough for a typical loft adjust +/- 1 or 2 degrees on a cast iron, isn't?

Is that a Golfworks economy bending machine? Thinking of getting one! Would you recommend it?

hI Can i bent Titleist TM-B 718( Cast Iron 17-3ss)?

Imagin buying all vokeys and bending them to a complete set....Ive always though Vokey should break off and make their own MB style set

Very cool video! I had cast irons (Rogue Xs) that were 2 degrees weak when I bought them used. I had the golf store bend them to standard. After a few weeks I noticed that I was suddenly hitting my irons much shorter and I went back to the golf store and had them checked and they told me they had returned to their previous lofts. Is it true that cast irons will do that?

I'm looking to get my 2018 Costco Callaway Edge iron lie angles adjusted to +2*. I'm assuming they are cast. Do you think those could go 2* without snapping? Thanks!

I have some old paying g5s which I really like with the lofts are not up to modern day standards. I asked my club fitter if he could make them 2° stronger and he said that iron would not do that it would break. Is that true or is it just a possibility?

I see the lie adjustment maximum but what about loft adjustment maximums. Is there a difference or less risk of breakage?

what about bending beryllium ping eye2 heads for loft can you bend a head 4* strong on any club 5 through sw

I have tommy armor Ti 100 titanium clubs can they be bent?

how accurate are scoring lines as far as being parallel to the sole of the club? I swear I've had some clubs where the scoring lines aren't quite level with the sole, maybe I'm crazy though

What brand of machine is that?

I have 30 year old Ping Zing (Cast) irons U bought used before I understood Lie Angle importance. I need lie angle adjusted 3° from 1° Flat (Red Dot) to 2° upright (Green Dot) I can send to Ping but due to their age (30+ years) they won't guarantee they will survive. A local spinnaker is willing to adjust the lie but again won't guarantee. Do you think the risk of damage is large? Enjiy your videos

You can just bend them back and weld them up and they would work fine

would tempering the hosel help

OK, I'm a bit late but to kill a good Mizuno could get you indicted. Well, shooting it dead would have been alright of course in the US of A but bending its daylight out is not humane and that's a nono. Regards !

I tried to get a club maker to supply a 64o lob wedge (forged) with a70o lie angle from about 64o. Said he wouldn’t go more than 3o as it would effect bounce. Would you agree.

After I had lie angle adjustment at shop for my forged iron, all my irons got little ding mark right above iron number on the iron sole. Is it normal??

What about loft? Looking to get a set of Mizuno MP-14's and they are really weak loft. PW is 50°.

What is the typical fee to have a club bent?? Just bought the Mizuno MP20 HMB's and want them bent a bit flat..

Why didn't you do this experiment with changing the lofts..?

What if the cast was heated while bending, thus getting more lie on the club?

Were can you get a bender

Will Titleist DCI 990's bend?

Heat?

Hold up- can you bend a forged 4 iron @ 20.5° to a 3 iron @ 18.5/19° ?

No heat?! Heat it with a torch? 🔥

Don't try to bend the melonite coated clubs(Cleveland wedges). They break quickly.

"Nothing feels like a Mizuno" even when you break'em.