I am going to put this here just in case i misrepresented myself. I love these games, sure my gameplay of me playing elden ring sucks, but I DID beat all of elden rings bosses on release and I did enjoy the game. I did not use summons or ashes. I like the challenge and I love this game. I also understand that these games are really really great games and I am only criticizing the combat, no I do not think that the games are bad, but if you want to take it that way that is on you. After making this video im trying to 100% the game for the DLC because playing it for the video made me remember what it is I do love about these games. (it's not the weapon combat) to how I feel in words so I do not keep repeating myself in the comments, I just want more options. these games have felt the same since demon souls and I personally feel that is kind of lame. If you do not. that is great. No I do not think nioh is a better game. there is a reason why nioh did not do as well as elden ring. Nioh is not nearly as easy to get into, and it's mechanics are overwhelming at best. I think a lot of people are under the impression that I flat out dislike these games. I do not. Bloodborne is my favorite game of all time. I am simply asking for more options for the player. I do not see how more options could be a bad thing for anybody. As I said in the video the core of the combat feels amazing. Playing this game for the video made me go back and I am starting to 100% the game. (the game being Elden Ring) I criticized an element of the game and most of the people who are upset about it, don't really have any sort of argument which is fine why would they argue with someone who made a whole video on it in the comments. I just think it is really funny how sensitive from soft fans are. I never really said anything was outright bad. It is an action rpg game, but the weapon combat feel the same it did in demon souls, Is it really such a bad thing to ask for more options? I don't think so, but people will cry anyways I needed a break from the game, The core of weapon combat is so amazing. The lack of expression is what pushes me away, but after making this video getting it off my chest I am ready to go back to the lands between. Be safe

A game for everyone is a game for no one

Bad take, bro.

Looks like all the games you suggested use "face buttons" for attacks... I think this is a lame/ terrible way to do combat mechanics (in a third-person-camera game, but it works great for top-down-camera games); because you can't control your camera while attacking. But I agree that "Attack input combos" like Light+Light+Heavy (they do this a little bit "like different weapons" have different built in combos; I haven't tested/ played with all the weapons, but I know you typicaly get at least two-hit combos Light+Light, but it's usually just a stance-change "right-side attack, left-side attack") would be a great addition to the Souls-Like combat system... And adding Multipul-Input attacks would be nice too: Triggers=Light, Bumpers=Heavy, Both-Triggers=?, Both-Bumpers=? They kind of do this in Elden Ring (Hold Block, wait to be attacked; don't release Block-Heavy Attack=Block-Counter)... more of this would be great! Basically your Character is a *State Machine* and they could add more states even with the same inputs. - (For context, My Elden Ring Controlls; I'm pretty sure most ppl don't play this way... but they should!: Left-Stick-Click=Jump, Right-Stick-Click=Lock-on, Left-Trigger=Block, Right-Trigger=Light, Left-Bumper=Dodge/Sprint, Right-Bumper=Heavy, B=Ash-of-War, Y=Crouch, X=Use-Item, A=Interact.)

I don't think you understand the meaning of souls games from , from soft. You are ment to feel powerless

Did you know that Souls games and Eldin ring where not solely designed for "multiplayer", the developers have stated this multiple times, they added it in there just for the cultural aesthetic. If they didn't add it everyone would complain "oh i cant play with my friend, or "oh I cant fight random people". The Multiplayer PvE/PvP has never been balanced at all, and its intended that way When Elden ring first came out, a lot of player was begging for the "coliseum" to be open, a few updates later after its release they opened the coliseum, and people still complained about it....

bewildering take, but I respect the opinion

The only problem i see is that this kind of combat are be over use,so much that everyome just get used to it. And that when thing become boring. That why ppl praises bloodborne and sekiro combat, cuz they get new and "more" interesting stuff. But Elden ring combat itself is no way near bad, it the combinations of souls combat with alot more option to play. It pretty amazing how they make that roll hit, roll, hit combat to this. I think the next step is to combine Elden ring combat with Sekiro combat, then that game will be come very interesting action game.

If I wanna play Nioh 2, I play Nioh 2. And I did, finished all the DLCs. I have both games to enjoy different flavors of combat. Elden Ring is fine. I don't feel it's good to come into Elden RIng asking for it to be played like something else. We have all these other titles like Lies of P, Sekiro, Monster Hunter, Code Vein, etc. for that

You can actually do this in Elden Ring, it's just that the risk in doing so makes it not worth it because of the high damage output of bosses and the loss of time/resources. Monster Hunter has the same boss difficulty as Elden Ring, imo, but the low risk (disengage mechanics, multiple retries, failing the mission refunds mats) allows this type of combat, thus players are able to take risks and be creative in the way they fight. Light-Heavy Combos, Charge Attacks, Weapons/Stance switching can be added to the game, but players will still prioritize being defensive because of the nature of the game. The addition of the Stake of Marika, eliminating run backs, is actually a step towards this.

That’s why I play either sorcerer with melee or incantations with melee, if it wasn’t for the gigantic list of magic / incantation spells, and it was melee only I don’t think I would have liked the game as much, but the combination of both is sooo satisfying, they did a great job in letting players mix spells and melee in builds, maybe it’s because that’s just my preferred play style in rpgs in general and I might be biased but I thought they did good in this game, I played their previous games but didn’t get anywhere near the same level of satisfaction as Elden ring

Not a good take my friend. Try the Dry Leaf hand to hand in a dragon only run. You’re supposed to be weak and under strength, but then you build and grow. Then you become the Elden Lord:) We are never meant to rule. Be well.

Feel like u didnt interact with items and item crafting at any point.

You've got fair points but Nioh gets really boring after a while too. You'll see. I do really hope their next souls like game doesn't just feel more of the same because you're absolutely right about that.

I’ve been playing souls games since they came out. Every single one of them. I absolutely love them! That said…you have a point. One could argue that melee is outdated or that is simply a deliberate design decision. I also absolutely love God of War and played every single one since the ps2 days. I must admit that GOW combat, story telling and camera have evolved exponentially with each entry. Whereas souls evolution has been more steady. However, if you played the dlc and tried say the Milady for example, you’ll see that they are heading into a more combo oriented direction. Some of the aow are straight up anime moves and some weapons can be thrown mid combat. You just need to dive into the mechanics and dare to try. If all you do is repeating the same button pattern, then of course you’ll get bored rather quickly.

First off, if you compare Demons Souls to Elden Ring in player weapon moveset and variety, it's night and day, DeS is so limited in what you can do. But you are coreect, that even in Elden Ring the amount of player expression isn't terribly high. While I think there is some definite room for improvement there overall I think it is fine. Why? Let me explain. There is only so much complexity you can put in front of the player, else they get completely overwelmed. When it comes to a combat system there are fundamentally two places where the complexity can lie. On the player side and on the enemy side. The player side comprises of defensive options, moveset complexity, combos etc., the enemy side of their moveset, combos, and the technicality, challenge and complexity required to deal with that. My thesis is now: You can't make both sides infinitely complex, you have ti divide it up between the sides. And Fromsoft make the concsious decision to put the bigger emphasis on the boss side. Compare to most other games, bosses have very expansive movests, combos, that are difficult to learn and properly deal with. With the focus on that the player side takes a back seat, in order to not overwelm the player. The simpler player side allows for the complex and interesting bosses in the first place. Now, one might legitimely say, that one prefers a combat system that prioritizes the player side more, but ultimately you can't have it all. The Nio gameplay you show proves this point. Sure you can express yourself more, but in turn the enemies NEED to function more as punching bags, that just take what you throw at them, since if the, had more elaborate and demanding movesets you couldn't express yourself like that. So ultimately it is a preference thing. To finish this, I would even agree, that FS should make their weapons a little more dynamic. For example an R2 attack chains into the second attack of the light attack chain, but not the other way around. Chaining different buttons into each other more smoothly and dynamically would be great. Though, in the DLC FS have improved on that front. The light Greatsword class for example has a mire dynamic moveset.

If you want different combat play a different game, the simplicity of combat is one of the main reasons I enjoy fromsoft games. For me less is more, and there's nothing 'outdated' about that. I personally hate nioh's combat, I feel there's too many options and it results in bloat. I know other people enjoy it and I'm glad they have a game they can enjoy, I wouldn't advocate to change it because of my personal opinion.

I see a lot of people missing the point. His point being the combat in Elden isn’t as creative and fluid as older games like nioh is. He’s not saying the game is bad or fromsoft needs to make a completely different game. He’s right the weapons all have the same moveset aside from special ash of wars. A lot of you guys are saying he’s missing the point of souls games but when are we allowed to demand more from our beloved franchises? Games should evolve. Everything in elden evolved from the previous souls games EXCEPT the combat and that’s the issue. If elden ring had the combat system or half of the system as nioh then the game would be perfect. The game to me is an 8/10 and still my all time favorite game.

I agree that Nioh2 combat is more technical and more entertaining. However, Elden Ring does have good options for weapons combat. In both games, the fun is to master the bosses, so you can start "styling" - using more of your moveset. On my first playthrough of Elden Ring, I used mostly dodging, light attacks and parry. On my later playthroughs, I noticed there were openings to do all kinds of jump attacks over boss swipes (no, they are not locked behind certain weapons; all weapons have a jump attack). The mastery in Elden Ring is to use the most damaging attack in the short breaks between the boss attacks. The problem is that some of these highly risky moves are not that rewarding. E.g. the stance break value of a charged heavy is only slightly more than a heavy jump attack. But the risk is way higher...

I'm not disagreeing and I love the game but have you played shadow of the erd tree and rellannas sword can mix the light an heavy attacks and also the ash of war very fun swords for a play through

The games content and bosses are dope but your right the combat is weak

its not everyone its okay

You are asking combat expression or depth in a build focus game with limited options (early), movement and combat, you want a different game. The main of focus of DS1 is level design vs your limited movement and resources, Sekiro is about good timing and ER it´s a sandbox with DS combat.

Every single game's melee combat has been outdated ever since DMC3, DMC4, DMC5, Bayonetta 1, Ninja Gaiden 2 dropped. I can't stand to play Dark Slows games because they are so boring.

I think you like faster combat, and i get wanting more options and abilities to showcase skill but i think where Nioh falls short is for the options it has, many people just get overwhelmed by it and just go 'yeah, i'm not learning that.' The magic of stuff like elden ring isn't purely combat. It's exploration, looking out over a vista and deciding you want to go to some place far off. And you can. It's about using all the games tools to achieve victory (despite the communities incessant demands you play the game a certain way) The game has many different builds and ways you can achieve victory. I liked Nioh but where Nioh falls short is the story is kinda bland, the world feels disjointed and fragmented cause of how the mission structure is due to it's stage like format. Nioh's combat feels pretty good but to be honest i didnt enjoy it more than fromsoft games. I think i disliked the endgame of nioh which just feels grindy while you hunt for particular armor sets with stats you need to continue pressing into harder content. While Elden ring when you get a weapon, or armor. there's no multiple copies of such. it has a dedicated location where it drops and the fun of attaining these weapons is crafting a build around them. Not just loading up areas over and over farming drops. I respect your opinion though. Maybe from could do a little more to have combat be a little more engaging, just dont overdo it.

Dude I totally agree. After coming back to Elden ring after 2 years the combat feels so mid especially compared to nioh

Combat gets boring for sure and slow !! But I still love the game ! Just started playing again after I finished stellar blade !!! And honestly I had so much fun with stellar blades combat !! Way better than Elden ring !! But both great !

What’s great about bloodborn?

My dude. This ain't it.

Keep making the fromsoft boys cry with a valid critique.

>I don't like >Is boring Not The same, bro.

Bro, what? You have parries, guard counters, heavy attacks (R2), light attacks (R1), dual wielding attacks (L1), blocking (L1), Skills (L2), bows with precision aiming (L1) or auto lock (R2 or R1 depending on which arrow you want to fire), sorceries and Incants. This isn’t event considering how you mix these up depending on playstyle you want and the 10* differebt weapon categories. It sounds like a you problem and that you stayed at the very surface of combat. Now you’re here criticizing something without ever fully experiencing it.

I love how everyone is just mad in the comments cuz ut feels like an attack on their personality or something All souls games combat options are whack af, except for sekiro ofc It's like you are being limited so that when you beat the slightly above average difficulty boss you get a feeling that you achieved smthn in ur life

complains about combat, proceeds to use only melee weapons and not mix it up at all intentionally

I agree with you. Hopefully the best Souls games has deeper combat mechanics.

sorry i was wrong. what he said and compared it to was much worse. i dont understand how elden ring, an online non linear open world game, has boring/ repeated weapon combat when their are ashe of wars. stances. jump and run attacks. light heavy combos. two handing the weapon or duel weilding the weapon for the same and sometimes different fighting style slightly different attack string. how you popped in my recommended baffles me honestly

sorry dude, you just don’t get it.

Elden Ring is absolutely outdated

Current Fromsoft combat is bad. Can't believe they made Otogi.

crash out

Rage bait don't bother.

No

To each thier own, but you clearly have attention issues to fix, not the game.

Bro acts like he knows shit

womp womp

Womp womp

Bad take.

It really irks me that games always favor "Magic" over Melee... - I mean sure... if we were trying to be "logical" you could probably argue that having Magic would be like having a modern gun... but this is a fantasy! Let me make my Melee Character a bad@ss (why does melee *and Faith always suck "compared to magic" = FromSoft a bunch of Chaos Magic SIMPS/ FanBois!!! 😅🤣).

I get it. I'm now over 300 hours on Elden Ring. Love the game but it would be cool to have more combo options. My favorite combat is more like Shadow of Mordor. Also been playing Ghost of Tsushima. Dragons Dogma is pretty good too. Elden Ring feels stiff.

Not a bad take, but I think it’s important to remember that not all games are designed for everyone, if it doesn’t suit your style that’s okay, that’s why other games exist

Horrible take

Just say youre bad.

havent watched the video. but i hope he doesnt say dragons dogma 2 or something like it has better weapons and combos. idc how diehard that fanbase is but sorry dragon dogma 2 was some mid.

nioh is ass