The difference is that the petrol car fire can be easily extinguished. Never park your EV in a garage.

The difference is that the petrol car fire can be easily extinguished. Never park your EV in a garage.

The difference is that the petrol car fire can be easily extinguished. Never park your EV in a garage.

The dude does not get your irony. I believe everything I want to on KZfaq 😤

Nice try but that wouldn’t ignite when the vehicle is off. AGAIN NICE EFFORT

I was going to say the same thing. As new battery technology is filtering down it can only mean safer EVs all round..

This year in china who leads in total cells made&capacity is seeing 63% of all cell production as lfp/lmfp chemistries. Tesla has sold over half of all their base model's as lfp since late 2021 now. The megapacks are all lfp since last year, and the powerwall 3 is switching to lfp cells.

I read an article yesterday about a valet driver who outrun his talent at Stansted Airport & crashed a Tesla M3 through the fence & into a pond. According to the Sun the lithium ‘leaked’ into the pond killing all the wildlife. 🙄

Sure

@@hughmarcus1 Yup. That sounds like the Sun.

Hybrids are EVs. Hybrid is just short for Hybrid Electric Vehicle. The ICE power plant is there to charge the small battery.

@@89five3five The point being made (which I also came here to make) is that Hybrid cars are more likely to catch fire BECAUSE of the fact that they have an ICE on board as well as a battery, which in reality is the most dangerous combination. If the study was made just using pure EV'S then the percentage of fires would be much less.

@@89five3five nope. depends on what type of hybrid and it is in any case NOT a BEV because it has an ICE

Nice to have someone who quotes a few facts, unlike some other main electric channels who promote electric vehicles as world saving but put no actual facts forward. As for vehicle fires, the safest is diesel. As a retired Police traffic officer went to countless vehicle fires, all petrol.

@@pm8465 True in your day, but now, as the figures prove, pure EV'S are by far the safest.

Thank you for saying so. The people I know here in ATL and Cobb county fd say about every 5th fire they roll on is a vehicle FIRE. And the #1 recall across ALL LEGACY ice oems currently effecting 10,000,000+2-5 year old vehicle's? Is for the risk of FIRE even when parked. Hence why garages used to always be detached structures. 😁

Not certain many if any fire departments are equipped or adequately trained to put out battery fires..

So true. Gasoline has on average 33.7 kWh of energy per gallon. A 12 gallon tank of gasoline contains roughly 400 kWh of energy. A pickup truck with a full 26 gallon tank has roughly 875kWh of energy (a potential BOMB). Even though an ICE can only take advantage of less than 30% of those energy totals it's still nearly 100% of the total energy that gets released when it burns or explodes. The average EV battery pack is less than 85kWh and is made up of hundreds if not thousands of small individual cells each with much smaller amounts of energy. An exploding tank of gasoline with 400 or more kWh of energy is FAR more destructive than a burning 75kWh battery pack (especially when you consider that the individual cells in a battery pack DO NOT EXPLODE IN UNISON). Watch any video of a burning EV and you'll hear the sound of individual cells popping off one after another. No big explosions. The cells are also typically enclosed in a steel clamshell style case (which admittedly does make them more difficult to extinguish but more importantly provides more time to get away from or be extracted from, the burning vehicle). Since a battery pack of individual cells does not explode all at once it usually takes more than a few minutes for battery fires to engulf the entire pack or the vehicle. Not so with an ICE vehicle and a tank of gas. Consider as well that EV fires are more likely to be contained within the vehicle especially if the fire department arrives in an acceptable period of time. A ruptured tank of gasoline presents a more serious risk of spreading and even explosion. If you've ever been to an accident scene where trapped passengers can smell gasoline then you know what people experiencing shear terror act like. For those who want to see the difference and just how dangerous transporting petroleum is, KZfaq has a few tanker fires caught on traffic cameras you might be interested in viewing. Enter "Deadly Tanker Fire Italy" or simply "Tanker Fire" into the search bar above. You will NEVER see an EV (even an electric semi) do anything even close to this. Although the anti-EV trolls will disagree, perspective is important.

*FEAR, UNCERTAINTY, DOUBT (FUD). Other than that, spot on.

We all know THAT guy down the pub. 😉😆😂🍺👍

that thinkign works both ways bud...who cares what that bloke said. i tend to think on this matter as if it was me, the ev is at my fkn place and how easy....just i...can put it out. and thats the very fine difference here. i won't be able to put it out or any means to move it so it don't take out other vehicles. my home, garage everything is now in jeopardy going right into my neighbors belongings taboot. its all in high jeopardy just because i coudn't immediately take my got dam garden hose and put the pos out. that i had to wait and let it burn everything up around it until the fire guys arrive. just 10 minutes of them kind of blazing, cause runnaway off onto everything around it. fk....that. so ok 20x less likely. fine. point taken. regardless though...its just not my vehicle that i will be out of. thats pretty much a guarantee it will take out god knows what else around it. i just can't put the fire out myself. thats the real breaker for me

@@LestatTravesty Always look on the bright side of life.

That's kind of what a 'seperator' is in a lithium battery (you might remember the Bolt recall was blamed on faulty separators). If the temperature of a single cell gets too high, the porous plastic separator layer in between its anode and cathode melts into a solid piece and the ions can't flow through anymore, so no more heat. It works in most situations, but reality can be another story

This proves that also authorities unfortunately believe the sensational stories of the propaganda. They really think that it is a matter of time that one EV will catch fire instantly.

Meanwhile in countries like Australia (and presumably the US and UK) we’ll just focus on complaining and overreacting to the occasional BEV fire and denying the need to shift away from fossil fuels asap, instead of coming up with clever solutions like that.

In parking space situation in confined spaces situation (like building basement .. ferry ships ..etc) ... how likely this "wiched container" will work to overcome BEV fire incident ..??????????????/

@@kebeleteeek4227 One "?" is quite enough, to make your point. Weel they use them in practice, so there's your answer... I do believe there are some solutions with small robots to drag them of the car park to the container

@@briantarby675 How quick those robots can be deployed to deal with rapid cascading effect of BEV battery self combustion ..?? .. How strong those robots to deal with "incinerator" kind of fire situation in confined spaces (basements .. ferry ships ..etc ..) ...?? ... Not to mention the availability of that robots .. ??

My biggest question is survival rate of vehicle fire after crash.

Laughable ! I suppose the report was written in Tory h/o!!!

I think you got the multiply/divide bits the wrong way round. The stats are already in normalised 'per 100,000 vehicles of the same kind' measures, so no need to apply the % in service on the roads value twice. I'd agree about the charging issues, which are higher up the electric network chain. Remember a regular petrol/deisel pump delivers a 50MW (megaWatt) connection in you hand, which is a 1000 times bigger than a 50kW fast charger connection. Were gonna need bigger pylons to the service stations ;-) @@aurustius

@@aurustiusthe numbers were already per 100k. You took the per 100k and tried to calculate per 100k on top.

Not sure where you get these figures from.1530 fires per 100,000 cars so 1.53% ? So out of 100 cars 1.53 of them will catch fire ! Even the presenter said it was 0.08%.He doesn't mention how many were stolen and then deliberately set on fire which happens a lot in the UK.

most ICE care fires are caused by shorts/faulty wiring. Electric Vehicles have plenty of wiring and the potential for wiring shorts! Therefore you need to be adding 95% of the ICE fires on top of the EV battery fires! Fires don't need to start at the battery first, but somewhere else!!!

Speeding might be caused by braking issue

@conradharcourt8263 thanks for sharing

///been exceeding the speed limit just a bit before launching into the air and colliding with the tree./// ...and if the car had been an ICE vehicle doing the same thing, would that have caused a massive fire too? Or to put it another way, the speeding bit is irrelevant, it's the causing a massive fire part that is noteworthy.

...but that's still a fire...no? does the speed or whether it was flying make any difference?

When someone hits a tree, I just assume they were either drunk, speeding, driving like an a--hole, or all three. People tend to hit trees or power poles pretty hard.

Thanks 👍👍😊

Aye, the multi story car park one was amusing. I found a good comparison was a 2023 BMW M3 CS and a 2023 Tesla Model 3 Performance. The BMW weighs 1840Kg and the Tesla weighs 1847Kg. I think the car park will handle the extra 7Kg, lol

I’ve had someone argue that point with me too. Turns out he drove a Range Rover which weighed nearly 3 tons. 😉🤣😆😂

There is actually (possibly) a good reason NOT to park in a multistory with an EV. If an EV decides it no longer wants to power on, there is no neutral gear to use; the car has to be dragged onto a trailer; but in most multistory carparks, the roof is too low to do this; so somehow, you have to get the car outside. The one instance I know of (video on YT, but I forget the channel), it took 8 guys, some special dollies and a car rigged for towing - to get it outside where the regular flatbed could load it. Really luckily for the owner, the car was on the ground floor; can you imagine trying to move it down some of those curved ramp exits you get?

@@ianemery2925 Recovery from the higher levels of a multi story car park is tricky for any vehicle. I get what you are saying about no neutral. I'm no expert but there is probably a way round it. Maybe pulling the drive shafts.

Yep, my wife’s Tesla M3 has LFP modules in. 👍

I agree... The same applies here in the USA.

So EV vehicles are never susceptible to arson 👍 got you

Facts eh? Could have mentioned which of the five countries around the world the Sydney was you referred to, or that fact didn't matter. So a corperate money saving exercise causing a toxic fire next to an international airport Aviation control tower is easily due media scrutiny and followup. There was no feeding frenzy proportionate to the lack of national safety standards allowing the corporate incompetence or risk to life that incident exposed. The under frenzy is more likely to delay safety standards till they get written with peoples blood, seatbelts anyone?

Bet they didn't make the news on 1000 anti petrol vehicle blogs.

Ice car fires in the U.S. alone happen on average every 4 or 5 mins.

I bet 👍👍

EVs are newer. They will catch fire and they are too dangerous. We need to get rid of then. Producing EVs is destroying the economy and intelligent thought.

Ok, so how long did they take to extinguish & how much water did it take to do so?

So what you are saying is that when the fire brigade takes 4 hours to put out a EV fire, it's because they don't know what they are doing. And after they have put it out, and hours later it bursts into flames again, it's their fault.

Ah the great 1894 Horse Shit Disaster (see Wikipedia ;-)

There’s a graph in the below link that shows car fires split by electric, hybrid and other fuel types. www.warpnews.org/transportation/fewer-fires-in-electric-cars-compared-to-fossil-fueled-cars-in-the-worlds-country-with-the-highest-share-of-electric-cars/

​@@ElectricClassicCarsI believe that in the United States 80 % of vehicles fires occur in vehicles that are over 10 years old . Since most Evs on the roads are less than 10 years old we will have to wait and see

@@overson15 Exactly!!! This analysis is flawed!

@@overson15from that, we could throw out 80% of the 20x likelihood of gas fires. Now they’re a mere 4 times likely to catch fire.

@@eagle2019see above

Interestingly years and years ago I was working at a gas station and a cube van stopped for fuel. They asked if I could check the oil and when I opened the hood the van was on fire luckily it was just beginning and we put it out but seems the owners knew it had an oil leak but just decided to keep topping up the oil. It was leaking from the valve cover which would have been an easyfix, onto the manifold.

It was a rather shallow, not deep dive into that, which really did more harm than good if you can think critically for yourself...

I thought the same. A poorly maintained 10 year old ICE car is going to be more risky anyway than a 1 year old car of any fuel type. Beware of statistics. I'm an EV driver by the way and firmly believe in the future of Electric road transportation.

@@geralddavison I'm with Toyota on this one. And as for the Grid, I have zero confidence we'll be able to afford the transition, unless we rely on imports from Europe. We can't even foot the bill for highspeed rail at 100B let alone 100B per year for the Grid...

@LoremIpsum1970 do you mean Toyota and Hydrogen? I'd be happy to see green hydrogen powered vehicles. Just think it's unlikely as we'd need three times as much electricity as for BEVs. Plus it'll be way more expensive. Hydrogen fuel cells will be part of the picture for sure.... but unlikely to be anything except niche use.

@LoremIpsum1970 I'm afraid I'd rather trust the actual people and engineers responsible for the electricity grid. We are way below our peak usage which was in 2005 when we used 358 TWh. In 2022 it had dropped to 275 TWh. EVs will add to that, but careful use of differential pricing will smooth out peak demands.

SO---what you are saying is---wait and see how many of these NEW, or VIRTUALLY NEW CARS, KILL PEOPLE, so that the number cruncher's can compare number's, against Cars that are NOT EV's , but likely to suffer from long mileage and lacking in sufficient Maintenance ??? These VEHICLES, that include New Coaches ( Check out the two on YT. one was parked ouside a central Parisien Hotel, as Passenger's had just left, to enter the Hotel. It went up like a Bomb. nearly catching the Hotel frontage on fire ) I would NEVER--trust a EV now. They explode, not just smoke and give a warning befor the flames errupt.

My thoughts exactly. Maintenance is a very important factor especially with regard to aging ICE vehicles.

True 👍

Normally LFP if short circuited they smoke and get hot Smoke from the evaporting liquid in battery However if the heat is great and cause other materials to burn the heat & fire then can set the LFP battery on fire. Yet LFP is much safer as one have time to get out car. Smoke 1st and may then catch fire depend on situation & weather, temperature Also LFP don't produce own oxygen so can be put out like other normal fires But the battery will continue to heat until energy are dissipated, that will be many hours

Safest battery is sodium battery If proven true, safest for home energy storage Supposedly battery will not set itself on fire

Looking at the recalls of *new* ICE vehicles for fire risk would suggest that though age may indeed be a factor it is primarily the inherent challenge of dealing with highly flammable fuel... otherwise new cars wouldn't be being recalled. (You would think manufacturers would have dealt with this issue after more than a 100 years of ICE production!)

It is a national problem. There is no answer right now. The Fire Service, as a whole, is in high gear trying to form a solution but there is no magic bullet for now. The manufacturers have created a monster with no way to contain them. They have admitted they have no solution.

It would be even more reassuring if, after we are at 100% EV, that when you ring the fire department because your car is on fire, they don't respond with, "We can't attend at the moment, all our fire trucks are on charge"😏

But none have.

It SHOULD bea known fact NO FIRE EXTINGUISHER puts out those batteries. But hey, what does this fireman know?🤷‍♂️

No worries!

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Concrete structures like multi story car parks have been collapsing because of ICE fires long before EVs came along. Petrol and diesel car fires spread more readily because as soon as the plastic gas tank melts the fire spreads in puddles and streams of fire to the surrounding vehicles. There was a recent arson fire in Germany at a Tesla showroom which shows that not all the EVs parked next to each burned. If they were ICE they would have all gone up in flames.

​@@ElectricClassicCars Most fires in ICE cars start in the engine bay and are extinguished before the fuel tank is compromised. I've owned several cars, both petrol and diesel, and none of them had a plastic fuel tank, they were all metal. When I was a child, my mother drove a Reliant Robin, it set on fire (started in the engine bay), the entire body and interior burned to nothing, yet the fuel tank remained intact and the fuel contained within it did not combust.

Cheers 👍👍

Yes Us Bike riders seem "Invisible" to some Car Drivers, I have 1 of my Bikes Fitted with Bafang Mid Drive Electric, with a 17.5Amp Lithium Battery between my Legs, & its NOT the Batteries I watch when riding on Road ...

​@@James_T_Quirk 😆🤣

I remember reading a statistic that there is a car fire every eighteen minutes in The United States. Not many are EVs.

@@danielcarroll3358 last year 217,00 car fires divided by 365 days, 24hrs in a day, 60 mins per hour? I came up with a car fire about every 4 or 5mins on average in 2022 for the U.S. alone. Here in GA I see them all the time out on the hwy. One dumb fuck recently pulled into our nearest shell station on FIRE and 3 local engines had to respond to put it out. When I worked downtown ATL security we had a moron pull in our deck on fire already, then park next to another car jump out and as a result? We lost 3 total cars to that fire and the fd responding had to cut out part of the side railing to the parking deck, just to get to the cars on fire. I'm sure I have smoke inhalation lung damage from that incident. I used 3 local extinguishers on it before the fd got there and literally tried drowning IT in thousands and thousands of gallons of water. But yeah evs are deadly don't ya know! 😏

Coming soon 👍👍

Thanks 👍👍

Well said. 😂😂😂👍

True. Because we have the word ‘Facts’ in the thumbnail I can guarantee this vid won’t do as well as others. 😉😆👍

Nice tongue in cheek dis, like the drunk driving wife beater who says 6 years of drinking and swinging aint found him jailed so it cant be bad. "Ideas are facts these days", like you labeling the channel "skilled engineering" or using your sample set of one justification. With your double negative EV prognostications, you'd sprout a pretty lyrical on insurance, cant wait.

So you're saying they don't set on fire, the tyres don't wear out quicker, the range isn't worse than ICE cars and the extra weight of all these EVs when they're eventually forced on everybody - let's not forget that very important point - won't translate to any extra wear and tear at all on the already battered roads? I, along with my dog, came very close to being hit by some stupid woman reversing out of her driveway a couple of years ago. No idea she was there, high bushes either side, no way I could see or hear her. That would not have happened with an ICE car because I would have heard it. But I suppose you're going to say that we should stop and look every time we want to walk along a section of footpath that crosses a driveway. Or maybe the fact that the rapid acceleration and silent operating will almost certainly lead to more deaths doesn't actually matter because it's for the greater good? But I'm just another ignorant minion, what do I know.

The problem is getting into the battery pack to cool it down but yes you’re right if liquid nitrogen could get in there it would cool it down very quickly. 👍

Cross referencing those 3400 cars would be very interesting. 👍

@@ElectricClassicCars After some more digging I found that a few years ago the number of cars intentionally burned (arson, insurance fraud...) per year were around 1400, so that leaves 2000 cars burning for other reasons. The number in the electric car summary had disregarded intentionally burned vehicles so the comparison becomes more like one 10th instead of one 20th frequency of fire in EVs.

@@PBFoote-mo2zr Here's a fun exercise: How many Ford pintos caught on fire? Did their fire rate differ much from other cars at the time? It might surprise you that the Pinto is also a victim of media hyper focus. In reality the fire issue was miniscule.

Won't that's just add fuel to make thermal runaway worse

@@jayhoney2422 I was hoping there was a fireproof foam. Or something even better that turns into something that could smother the fire.

i get the idea...fire should be controlled at that level....@@JoshuaPritt

Thanks for watching!

sounds like you`ve already wasted [spent] thousands buying an ev to save the planet 🤣🤣🤣

Simply a water lance is sufficient, with water from the on-board fire truck's tank. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/at6ad8ee257Zop8.html

what do you then do with a possible reignition at some unknown time later on? I wouldn't want to get anywhere near a battery fire, even just off-gassing, especially not to check which bank of cells had gone run away...you do know why firefighters wear all that PPE and breathing apparatus don't you? Check this one: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o695l7Cc3LGwoGg.html

@@LoremIpsum1970 that's not much different from not smoking around burnt out cars that have lots of toxic residues and any remaining fuel stuffs. In some senses it's a familiarity problem (came was when horse drawn trucks were phased out)

@@philipoakley5498 Check this quote before you go all hero: United Firefighters Union Australia 11/03/23: "We've already had a situation in Victoria where two firefighters suffered cobalt poisoning after attending an EV fire, and have now been permanently disabled as a result". Lithium-ion battery fires release toxins such as carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide, hydrogen fluoride and cobalt. These toxins were particularly dangerous for firefighters because they were absorbed through the skin and clothing could not protect against them.

Thanks 👍👍

Very true, LFP modules like those in my wife’s Tesla Model 3 are much less likely to ignite than lithium based battery modules. 👍

The hypocrisy is never mentioning or trying to understand what causes those car fires! People have Ben messing around with their cars installing cheap gadgets all over the places! I've seen some terrible cablings at mechanics on KZfaq.

I don’t doubt it but that number has to be put into the context that BYD has sold over 4 million battery cars in China so far.

BYD sold 1.8M vehicles world wide in 2022, way more than Tesla. If that 1580 figure is accurate (doubtful), then that is a fire rate of 0.088%, ie a very low chance of fire. You should be aware that most Tesla evs sold globally use either BYD or CATL LFP batteries now.

The report I referenced included fires whilst parked and charging. 👍

@@ElectricClassicCars . Looks like I’ll have to brush up on my Swedish. Not to be too pedantic but what was the average age of the vehicles that caught fire - as that may have some relevance.

Thanks 👍👍

And it’ll probably end up lighter as an EV. 😉👍

I agree. Hopefully people can share this episode to those that need to know the facts about EV fires. 👍

The report does break the numbers down a little further e.g. whether the cars were driving or stationary. I would have also liked to have seen the pure EVs extrapolated out from the hybrids as the EVs are much less likely to combust than a hybrid. Age would be interesting but considering that there’s millions of new ICE vehicles presently getting recalled due to fire safety issues I don’t think the stats would be skewed that much, EVs would still be far less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles. 👍

@@ElectricClassicCars Completely agreed with the conclusion, the point is just to go "Here's conclusive data. Now when you're arguing we know it's in bad faith." Which of course it is. People are so disingenuous about this.

@@ElectricClassicCars Age is a very major consideration that needs to be taken into account. Assuming that most EVs are probably less than 5 years old, you can't say they're less likely to catch fire when compared with ICEs that could and in many cases will be twice as old or 3, 4 or 5 times that age. It's also never mentioned that diesels are less likely to catch fire as it doesn't burn easily, and both petrol and diesel now have fuel shut off systems in the event of an accident. In fact most fires in ICE cars are caused by, believe it or not, electrical faults. I don't know which are more likely to catch fire and neither does anybody else, and I don't even know why we have to take sides or why EV fanatics feel that they have to defend every comment that's made against them, whether true or not, but it doesn't help your cause when we get comments and claims stating that they are all "facts", they are all "conclusive", how the media are always against them and so on, when the reality is there are a lot of issues with EVs that do need serious consideration that are usually dismissed or just put down as excuses by the EV contingency, who it has to be said, in most cases won't hear a single bad word said against them.

@@ElectricClassicCars according to US figures I heard it was (1) BHEV (2) ICE (3) BEV.

@@severnsea for the very first yet unlikely EV fire in a car park, run the other way: United Firefighters Union Australia 11/03/23: "We've already had a situation in Victoria where two firefighters suffered cobalt poisoning after attending an EV fire, and have now been permanently disabled as a result". Lithium-ion battery fires release toxins such as carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide, hydrogen fluoride and cobalt. These toxins were particularly dangerous for firefighters because they were absorbed through the skin and clothing could not protect against them. John Cadogan's one of the few who really mentions the risks in a rational way, with the odd expletive.

And I get that was all over the news? Not 😆🤣😉👍

The discussion was from Norway. I do not think EVs are new there any more.

@@francesconicoletti2547you think or you know? This video is about data to dispel myths. What are the numbers?

@@rickmellor do your own research on what the #1 open recall across ALL LEGACY ice oems is, you'll quickly find it's for the risk of FIRE even when parked! In the U.S. alone it's spread across more than 10,000,000 vehicle of all brands and model's averaging just 2-5 year's in age. 👍🏻

@@4literv6 no, I want to be soon fed the data… that’s why I’m on KZfaq. This video made an attempt but left out key information, which is what I called out. I’d like to see the information you give presented in an easily consumable and substantiated format for all to learn.

@@rickmellor a google, mozilla or Firefox internet search isn't easy enough? 🤔 I agree what you are suggesting would make for interesting KZfaq viewing. Prob get shadow banned and taken down though for telling the truth about ice? The fossil fuel industry is no joke when it comes to control, lying and subverting the truth about crude oil consumption&risks impacts on the climate, waterways, the air quality and people etc. 👍🏻 Here's a quote from an interesting sci fi series called upload. "Kid you tried to disrupt a multi billion dollar industry? Yes I did so what. Yeah you got murdered for that it wasn't an accidental death at ALL"

Exactly 👍

According to a Norwegian fire chief, most EV fires don't start in the main battery anyway - but are usually interior or 12v electrical fires. So I'm guessing LFP cars won't be significantly less likely to catch on fire, because there's always something flammable in a car.

@@logitech4873 That’s interesting. ICE vehicles must have similar 12V make up so something else is going on I guess. Anyway, true or not I feel much more comfortable with my LFP car, not just because LFP is less volition.

Our pleasure!

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/at6ad8ee257Zop8.html for one study.

You got it!

@@ElectricClassicCars an electric car fire is not a same thing as a thermal car fire. Because a lithium battery fire is almost impossible to put out. In Norway, electric cars cannot go on ships.

Thanks 👍

I thought it was a legal requirement to have a mechanical door handle on modern cars irrespective of fuel type. Even if there’s also a button to open the door, just like on my wife’s Tesla M3? Unless you’re quick with a fire extinguisher an ICE car will also burn your house down.

Gasoline ignites instantly, battery fire is slower to get into inferno stage but is more spectacular

Once the batteries start to go, there is no shutting them down.....

@@hemifiedsixtyfour2813 That's the point. New BMS systems shut them down before they reach their flashpoint, so the fire doesn't start

Anyone else want to know what caused the other 209 global cargo ship fires in 2022? I mean we think 1 was actually some evs fault. But that evidence for that went down to Davy Jones locker so to speak. Also if phevs and evs are such a fire risk? How come tesla and byd who alone have made&shipped over 9,000,000 vehicle's just since 2008 all with large lion batteries. Aren't having more problems. 🤔

Ok, because you asked so nicely I will indeed correct you as you’re wrong. When a petrol car catches fire it propagates to all the cars around it because the burning fuel turns into rivers of fire. That is the reason why car park fires are so bad. If you read the fire departments report on the 2017 Liverpool car park fire, the describe rivers and waterfalls of fire from burning fuel spreading the fire to other cars and other decks. The heat of the fire also caused the concrete to collapse. And not an EV in sight. 👍

Very good points. Thanks for your comments. 👍

Thanks 👍👍

I read the short summary of each of the 81 fires 2018-2022. Sometimes the cars were too burned to know where it started but in many cases the battery was not the source and also survived the fire undamaged. Where the battery likely started the fire was after colliding with another car, one after hitting a building, one was after a train hit the car, 3 were likely amateur converted cars of which one was under construction and a few more cases. One fire was from a seat heater, one from a headlight, one from a short in the 12V system, one from the 12V battery during charging, several incidents seem to be cables/outlets over heating during charging. Many of the PHEVs had fires in the engine bays but often the battery was unaffected. A couple of fires seemed to be an ICE car catching fire in a garage and then spreading to the EV. An interesting read.

Doesn't matter really. In fact that's one of the biggest shortcomings of the battery car is it's fragility to external forces. Even tiny dents on the underbelly are causing many to replace their entire battery because it damaged a few cells. And those little dents have also caused fires and explosions that have nearly taken down entire ships. Just saw 2 separate incidents where large ships were nearly destroyed by EVs. Cars are very prone to getting minor underbelly damage while being loaded with ramps on ships.

Insurance companies are aware of the lower fire risk for EV. 👍👍

@@spudproductions7606 yeah haha quite the opposite with HOME INSURANCE NOW. What a tradeoff…