Electric Heating Installation - Replacing old faulty Electric Radiators

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Electric Heating Installation - Replacing old faulty Electric Radiators
This video shows my day as an Electrician replacing some old inefficient and faulty electric radiators with new Elnur Gabarron RF Plus Series Electric radiators below:
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@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

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@JBE 4 жыл бұрын

I love it when the scrap man come around, it saves me the job of getting rid of anything. I've even had them come into properties before now and remove the storage heaters themselves! Saves my back too.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

That’s working smarter not harder! 😂

@Clicksystems 4 жыл бұрын

It’s good where you are they are legit, around here they are dodgy, unlicensed, and have been linked to property break-ins because they drive past every day at different times of day observing when people are home and what vehicles they have then break in when people aren’t home or target them for vehicle theft. So I don’t give them anything any more. It came about when somebody got broken into and they was held at knife point looking for money, jewellery etc in the house... they said to the victim they had been watching them and knew their movements. Then they took the car keys before leaving with intent on coming back for it. They was later identified as a scrap metal person driving around the street, that’s how they was keeping an eye on them.

@ac5795 Жыл бұрын

Always a pleasure watching and listening to you explaining stuff, thanks! 👍

@GiffordsElectrical 4 жыл бұрын

Always enjoy your videos Jordan. Had a client the other day wanting to replace their storage heaters for heaters they can use any time and smart that where also much slimmer and aesthetically pleasing.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 😁

@mistermartin82 4 жыл бұрын

Just need to make sure economy 7 is still the best tariff. Seen threads on other forums where people are still on it but not using enough off peak (peak is often higher than a standard tariff)

@ARElectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Great video again Jordan. I have done a few installs where the customer wanted a central control unit. And the method that you took out was a great solution to do exactly that. Some of these electric radiators can be very difficult to understand with programming etc. And especially for the older generation. The last thing you want to be doing is keep going back having to explain how to use it over and over. I find just having a standard radiator on the wall with a programmable thermostat (wireless or even a smart one) would make it so much easier to understand especially if it is something they are used to. I have used many brands, and found so far fahro to be a good radiator for simplicity. It may be just me but iv always considered the best way of keeping any system as simple as possible for the end user. Iv also had to do jobs where they request no central control and all to be individually controlled. So I suppose it's all down to the customers request. Nice tidy job though mate 👍🏼 I once left a cooker outside on a job and the time it took to take the new one into the house and come back out to grab a knife to unwrap it, the old one had gone with noone in sight !

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting comments thanks for sharing and watching!

@noskills9577 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent as usual Jordan, unless you find some exceptionally hard tiles then standard masonry or multi material drill bits are fine. I don't use a hammer drill anymore and just have a drill driver with multi material bits for mounting most things - saves a lot on noise. If I have to drill a large hole or into something very hard I'll get the sds out.

@Blackf1ngers 4 жыл бұрын

I use the tile bits from Erbauer. Super cheap which is great for how often you actually need them. For marking, whatever I have to hand for most holes and a jab from small screwdriver works well for plasterboard or softish plaster. The marxman tool is great for masonry and deeper holes though. Nice use of the flex ferrrules. For the busbar I usually use the impact to back everything all the way off before I install it, then still using the impact on its lowest setting I tighten the terminals at either end (while holding the MCBs together) then do the middle ones. After I follow up with a torque screwdriver for the proper settings and check visually using my phone but with this sequence I never miss any! I enjoy your EV point installs. I just got back from EVBOX DC charger training in Amsterdam yesterday!

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Great thanks for sharing!

@monahend1009 Жыл бұрын

Hi Jordan I'm moving into a small flat and would like to transfer the electric radiator/ heater to another wall. Can that be done easily? I have other sockets on the opposite wall. Thank you

@Richardincancale 4 жыл бұрын

Nice detail crimping ferrules to the leads!

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Of course!

@JayTheSparky 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah a real nice touch that, extra mile and all 👍🏻

@Chris-hy6jy 3 жыл бұрын

Electric heating in 2019!! I love it when these manufacturers say "they're more efficient than the old ones"... If it's resistive heating, it's resistive heating. Assuming they had no way of installing a gas supply, they'd have been better served ripping the lot out and fitting a heat pump.

@the_real_hislordship 2 жыл бұрын

I agree, resistive heating is only efficient to a point. But as for gas, I'd rather go with a huge heatpump and central heating, or here in South Africa go for heating/cooling air conditioning. Joburg in the day isn't so cold in winter, normally in the teens with lots of sun. Best thing about summer rainfall is sunny winters 😁

@MegaVinny73 Жыл бұрын

If you replace your gas heating and rads with new electric rads, does anything need to be done to the mains electric, in the way of upgrading anything? I would have thought a house load of these, 3-4 bedder, with 10-15 all electric rads, is going to be quite a power draw at a constant level? Any concerns with that?

@stevefarky92 5 ай бұрын

Great video! Does anyone perhaps know if I can replace a Dimplex electric fan heater to an electric radiator? Would I beable to connect to existing power source. Thanks

@cameronloggenberg2867 4 жыл бұрын

Use the heller tile drill buts for ceramic. Really fast and clean. Use the Marcrist red diamond drill bits for anything hard like natural stone or porcelain. You will get lots of use out of one.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Nice thanks for sharing!

@petelayton3107 2 жыл бұрын

hi can give me a rough idea how much a full rewire of a 2/3 bedroom semi is.

@richcook5658 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. Were they solid walls you hung the rads on? How do you ensure that there is a stud or something solid to fix it to if not? Rookie looking for all the help I can get

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Yes they were solid walls apart from one which was plasterboard so I used plasterboard fixings, plasterboard is stronger than you may think, if you use good fixings you're fine.

@izalman 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve drilled tiles loads of times no issues. Mark hole location, using masonry drill of the required size place on spot, twist the drill chuck and bit Anti clockwise by hand using slight pressure on the drill, this will break the glaze on the tile where the hole is needed and prevent the carbide tip skidding all over when drilling. Use drill in power mode to progress through tile use moderate pressure, give the tool chance to do the job as my old boss used to say. Another tip is to use an engineers automatic center punch set on low to make the glaze breaking start point.

@darrenmackenzie1892 Жыл бұрын

Can you change it for socket rather than hard wire?

@keitho77 4 жыл бұрын

Drilling tile, I use a masonry bit and no hammer action. Also used ferrules, as the flex for the heaters (Dimplex PLX150) was stranded.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Nice one thanks for sharing!

@liliput50 4 жыл бұрын

are the radiators on their own dedicated ring main and if so is there a upstairs ring and down stairs ring

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Each one is on its own radial

@warrenhawthorne1496 4 жыл бұрын

I use the Bosch blue drill bits, they cut through most things including tiles with ease. Also have a look at the Acer pens, they look pretty good (Amazon & Toolstation)

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I use those too!

@frankbennett8877 4 жыл бұрын

Great video always Enjoy watching you have a good attention to detail. Where do you buy your ferrules our wholesalers only have the cheap non BS which they don't recommend on heat resistant cable.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

I got a package from TLC which had a selection of ferrules and crimping tool, not sure if they are BS to be honest!

@edcooper2396 4 жыл бұрын

At 15.0p (and heading upwards) a kwh you've got to be bonkers, not home often, a landlord, or cold blooded to fit resistive non-time shifted heaters.

@the_real_hislordship 2 жыл бұрын

In SA everything is line on top and load on the bottom. So out of RCD with cable to the top of the breakers where you find the busbar. I reckon it's easier to see if it's loose or not in from the top. Circuits out from the bottom just check by tugging on them.

@SME_Ste 4 жыл бұрын

Fitted many of the Elnur radiators and like them, just wish they'd make the timer more user friendly.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree it’s not the simplest programming ever

@richardcawrey 4 жыл бұрын

Niceic man had a mirror on an extender I thought was a good idea so got one does the trick

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Great idea!

@AndyK.1 4 жыл бұрын

Generally. Ensure all terminals are fully backed out before fitting to rail. Fit bus bar first securing both ends first. And then tighten middle ones.

@JayTheSparky 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I got one of these form ALDI of all places that and an extender that’s got a magnet and light on it that was a god send on Friday when doing a Bonding clamp under a cramped sink and dropped the screw...it went down the hole and the plinth was screwed on and I only had the one clamp...got it out shoved it down the hole and click the magnet caught it and saved the day! Really didn’t want to be doing the half hour trip to the nearest wholesalers late on a Friday afternoon.

@jamiedockerill4576 4 жыл бұрын

Did you find them tricky to set up.? I used them earlier in the year and didn’t really like the set up process/programming I have some lovely rointe custom painted black copper heaters to fit for a client when they get delivered.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

They were pretty easy, just a shame you can’t sync them all together

@darenvitaelectrical5310 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve fitted these and the go on the wall so easily ,the programming is only like most these days ,the day night 24 hr is a synch

@daron8982 4 жыл бұрын

How do you wire the electric radiators, do you put on separate circuit or just plug in the sockets?

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

They are on their own circuits, they would overload the sockets circuit if you just plugged them in

@mlee6050 Жыл бұрын

@@artisanelectrics hope still here, with this I know some go in a fused spur, looking at oil filled and wanted to ask how far the fused spur should be from the radiator?

@nw5835 4 жыл бұрын

CK make a Telescopic inspection mirror Screwfix 2444X - very handy for checking busbar connections - not a problem if you use Crabtree CU's and their RCBOS.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Nice thanks!

@darrenqualters2341 4 жыл бұрын

Another great video Jordan 👍 Quite like the look of those rads, I work for a company doing social housing and the housing association request that we fit Dimplex QRads as standard now. For years we have been putting storage heaters in, but recently they decided not to install them anymore. For marking holes, I’m a big fan of the Marxmann myself, but like the look of the one you use. You seemed to be quite lucky with those tiles. I had a job to do a while back fitting a cabinet with light in on a wall with tough solid porcelain tiles. Had 8 holes to drill for the brackets. Started off using a masonry drill bit and the tile bit shaped like an arrow but took me almost half an hour to drill one hole 😩 could not proceed doing that, so nipped down to Screwfix and got an Erbauer diamond tipped drill bit. Was a bit costly at around £19 quid but was money well spent. Went back to the job to try it out and it went through the solid tile In about 1-2 mins. Could not believe how effective it was. Always use this bit now when drilling tiles. Look forward to the next vid

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Great comments thanks for sharing!

@corrigenda70 3 жыл бұрын

Assuming the old rads are safe then output for output it must be cheaper to leave them alone? New heaters cannot be more efficient surely?

@dazzafat 4 жыл бұрын

Great video mate Did you just blank off the programmer and thermostat

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks yeah I just disconnected them and customer said to leave them in place so they didn’t have to make good

@cumberland1234 4 жыл бұрын

Try jiggling the MCB up and down, if it’s in the bus bar properly there shouldn’t be any play. As for marker pens, I got myself a shed load of sharpies when amazon were doing them for £2.50 per box of 10!

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Good tip thanks!

@Khanjan-si8me 3 жыл бұрын

Diamond drill bits for tiles

@acelectricalsecurity 4 жыл бұрын

i use a normal masonry bit, unless its those porcelain tiles, they are hard as hell, they will burn out the best tile bits even when using them with water to cool them

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah they are a nightmare!

@richardwash6678 4 жыл бұрын

I use diamond tip drill bits, but if I haven't got one I put masking tape on the tiles and use a masonry drill bit on hammer. The masking tape stops the drill bit from sliding. 👍

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Nice tip thanks!

@obd6HsN 4 жыл бұрын

On hammer? Surely not! If I'm forced to use a masonry drill I'll still use it on rotary only.

@nw5835 4 жыл бұрын

Masking tape also prevents splintering of the tile.

@DJDanielJames100 4 жыл бұрын

I drill through tiles on a daily basis and use a bosch blue or red tip drill bit, they’re about 3 quid in Screwfix, never had an issue with them and they go through tiles like butter

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Great tip thanks!

@reecehendersonelectricians2204 4 жыл бұрын

Yes I use tiles drill bit for doing tiles DIAMOND TILE DRILL BITS

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Nice I will check it out

@AndyK.1 4 жыл бұрын

You would be no good in a tv studio. You would be constantly watching the playback monitor 😂

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

😂

@jondonnelly4831 4 жыл бұрын

are the new radiators any more efficient?

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Yes they are, they are designed to comply with the new regulations for energy efficiency

@edcooper2396 4 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure its possible to make an electric heater that isn’t 100% efficient, you’d have to be transmitting the energy into a parallel dimension. The problem with these is not the efficiency it’s the cost of fuel, 15p a kwh for electricity when gas is close to 3p a kWh

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting comment thanks

@MegaVinny73 Жыл бұрын

@@edcooper2396 Oh they were the days, 15p per KWh. Will we ever see the likes again...

@kewins1234 3 жыл бұрын

Os that Meet Kevin on the screen? 😁

@LAsparkTVWireTestLimited 4 жыл бұрын

One of your best videos thanks very much for all your trouble. But, those "foreign"/"arabic" gentlemen would probably not mind but all the PC brigade would have your guts for garters and contend they're as english as apple pie. I loved the sequences in this video, and the music was very complementary. Laser level footage always looks so cool (indoors). Look forward to the next video have a great rest of the week.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks glad you enjoyed the video!

@Mymo83 4 жыл бұрын

Why did you make it clear that the people took the away rubbish were foreigners lol.... but love the videos keep it up mate

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

I've got nothing against foreigners my wife is one! And i've lived in more countries than most people so I have been a foreigner myself, it was just a funny story! Thanks for the comment.

@alanpatterson2384 4 жыл бұрын

Why not replace or supplement at least some of the heaters with night-storage?

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Night storage heaters are old school and not flexible enough for the modern client who wants to be able to adapt the system to their changing schedule.

@edcooper2396 4 жыл бұрын

Artisan Electrics nope the modern client understands that electricity availability varies hugely and the price we pay for it should do too, that’s why we’re looking into energy storage systems, to take advantage of those cheap periods of electricity when we charge our cars and heat our water cylinders.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Yes I agree

@TheBrummybear 4 жыл бұрын

30 odd years ago my land lady declared that were were having night stores. The electrician arrived and two days later all was done. 6 rather large night stores. A special timer was fitted to the emersion heater too. He told us that from 12 midnight till 7am that the electricity was considerably cheaper. So before going to bed I set the washing machine, the tumble dryer and the dishwasher all to come on and went to bed. I'm in bed reading and my table lamp went off. Got up to get a new bulb and there were no lights at all. Thinking the fuse may have tripped I went down and into the back room where the fuse board was, there was a terrible smell. I found a torch and opened the cupboard and there was black plastic dripping and it was smoking. I switched the main switch off and called the MEB (Midlands Electricity Board) who came an hour later, it's 2am. by now. They said that although the wiring was all correct and properly done the main cable supplying the house was simply not capable of carrying the load that was put on it and the electrician should have known this and called them. In the end they had to replace the main cable from the house under the road all the way to the end of the road, along with 2 other houses that had also been cut off because the cable had melted under the road. Nearly the whole day was spent with out power. As a foot note I set the timers in future to spaced out the times that things came on.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Wow thanks for sharing what a story!

@Kubulek17 3 жыл бұрын

Tumble dryer, washing machine and dishwasher on at night ? You’re lucky they didn’t set the house on fire.

@edc1569 3 жыл бұрын

@@Kubulek17 have always run my dishwasher at night, dryers could be a bit sketchy though.

@Alfapash 2 жыл бұрын

Normally storage heaters and hot water are on the cheap tariff, Economy 7 or 10 . The remainder of the electricity supply should be on normal rate eletricity using as seperate consumer unit, so the you can use it 24/7, whereas the Economy 7and 10 are only on at certain times, switched on a set times by your electricity supplier. When the power is on it will heat the heaters and the water on a much cheaper rate. Often water tanks are divided so if you use more hotwater, a separate switch can be turned on to heat up additional water but that will use the more expensive rate.

@billynomatz9233 4 жыл бұрын

Get glass and tile drill bits...the ones that look like spear heads...they are as cheap as chips,and drill tile like butter.also will drill other awkward materials like pattresses

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Nice thanks

@stuartcraigon2003 4 жыл бұрын

3:00, you just broke the law! By law you must be able to account for all the waste you produce and where it's gone.

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting thanks! I did take them all away myself in the end as the guys never turned up! Got the scrap metal receipt to prove it! 😅

@lansdorf 4 жыл бұрын

Any waist belongs to the home owner and is their responsibility to dispose.

@paulmandara232 4 жыл бұрын

Tile drill all day not on hammer though

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Which one do you use?

@GordonjSmith1 4 жыл бұрын

The scrap value of the radiators belongs to the owners of the house... (unless stated in your tender).

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

I charge the customer for removing them, there's no way I can afford to waste an hour going to the scrap yard and give them back £20 for the scrap metal.

@GordonjSmith1 4 жыл бұрын

@@artisanelectrics I appreciate your comment, and its practicality. But my comment in general to plumbers, builders, sparks etc is that the 'scrap' actually belongs to the customer. My boiler was recently removed, as well as related copper piping. The scrap value? 20 % of the cost of the new installation. The issue is 'non trivial'. Happily I received my 'rebate', and my plumber got his 'maintenance' contract (not that he knew that at the time).

@Madman-ge2eb 4 жыл бұрын

Did the foreigner come back for more? 😂😂

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

No he didn’t show up so I had to take them in myself today! 😅

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

200kg of scrap, the van was riding low!

@AndyK.1 4 жыл бұрын

Didn’t get much money for the first 😂

@rdc5551 3 жыл бұрын

... exactly the same efficiency as the old ones. Resistive heating makes no sense IMO.

@leonblittle226 4 жыл бұрын

Dunno about getting a few quid for scrapping the old heaters, they are probably going to install them !

@artisanelectrics 4 жыл бұрын

Ha ha the thought had crossed my mind!

@lansdorf 4 жыл бұрын

I was given 3 week period to rewire an enormous old house before the the plumbers started. We pulled the old carpets up to go in the skips lifted the boards and found 2 old copper heating systems installed in old thick copper 15 25 and 30+ mm , it was worth a day ripping it all out before the miserable looking plumber turned up. Great day . Agreed with home owner.