HOW WE BUILT OUR OWN ELECTRIC RADIATORS!

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10 ай бұрын

Time for some dry towels and heating ready for the Winter! We decided to make up our own electric heaters using the smart heating switches from Wiser.
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@nickkowal6537 10 ай бұрын

I love the Drayton system for its compromise between super smarts and "just actually works". The standalone rads are a great idea I'll be investigating

@bpmills222 10 ай бұрын

Another +1 for Drayton wiser from me. Have TRVs dotted about, plus two room stats. I looked at the electrical switches in the sale for our (future) towel rads, and had a bit of back and forth with their tech and sales teams (more plus points that you can get through to them). The issue is you can't set the switches on a timer... This means in the summer you'd either need to ratchet up the heat on the programmer, which would trigger the boiler, or the electric switches would trigger in the cooler winter as well as the boiler. It's good, but not there yet.

@OhForFucksSake-xp3hf 4 ай бұрын

Brilliant guys! - FYI - pinching all these awesome ideas!😊

@yellownev Ай бұрын

Any chance of an update on this - after a winter of use, cost performance etc. plus it'll be interesting to see what you go with in the big barn build !!

@TheRestorationCouple Ай бұрын

Just coming up to a full year so yes an update coming soon. 👍

@robertbamford8266 10 ай бұрын

Glad to see they are safe to touch (kid safe!). I grew up with steam/water radiators that required covers and exposed pipes that we wrapped in asbestos sleeves.

@mikekyffin3779 10 ай бұрын

Great video Tim and Jo, I have this system with TRV’s and smart plugs for past 4 years. Really easy to set-up and manage. Do have a look at the insights reports because then over time you can monitor the inside temperature for each room zone by day or month including comparison of outside temperature. You lucky people getting it for free when us mortals have to pay ☺️

@drc6940 10 ай бұрын

Well done, great install but I really believe your situation would have been better served by several small air-to-air heat pump systems. Cheaper running costs and faster to heat the room and also has AC as a bonus.

@christianwithers7335 10 ай бұрын

Jumping off a cliff sounds a great idea. Okay, you go first...

@johnhunter4181 Ай бұрын

@@christianwithers7335 Not sure WTF that means but I suspect you're one of the lemmings heading for the cliff edge.

@liam6200 10 ай бұрын

Good to see this, after having hive for 3+ years and at the witts end with it, I've been swaying towards the Drayton system

@54mgtf22 10 ай бұрын

Hey Tim. Love your work 👍

@tomroguk 10 ай бұрын

Great vid, heard good things about wiser. Just updated my dumb towel radiator with a heating element and a shelly smart switch to control it as a dual fuel radiator so it can run off central heating in winter too.

@pacman4568 Ай бұрын

The big question is! Is it cheaper and more efficient than gas central heating. You must also install a water heater of some kind, for showers and general washing. I suppose the first thing to take into consideration is the reduction of sir charges for a gas meter rental.

@TheRestorationCouple Ай бұрын

Fortunately with such well detailed insulation and airtightness we have managed the whole house heating on just these two radiators. We have a small LPG water heater for hot water but the expense of piped plumbing would probably not have been well spent money.

@MrLegend139 10 ай бұрын

I’ve got the Drayton system all over the house it’s great. Does maintain a good temperature throughout which is good. I’ve just got the electric switch like your using for the radiators for my underfloor heating in the bathroom. Still not got it fitted but have the heating switch wired up and you can hear the relay click when I activate it

@maxwarren2000 10 ай бұрын

I've had the Drayton system for 3 years, and it has been brilliant

@garyhollywell2112 10 ай бұрын

Looks ace Tim but I think your point about insulation is really important when it is done well I think its a game changer for how much heating you actually need.

@TheRestorationCouple 10 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Insulation and glazing design will be top of the list with the main build next year. 👍

@markmcaulay125 4 ай бұрын

Wondering how these are working and what fluid you used. Planning to use this idea for off-grid fully electric house.

@lester8436 4 ай бұрын

Glycol solution i believe they do sell it if you google radiator fluid. I believe it’s essentially antifreeze though so I don’t see why you couldn’t use a glycol antifreeze. Can anyone confirm ?

@erikisbister363 10 ай бұрын

Yes we have towel rail and are is duel fuel are good

@inh415 10 ай бұрын

No TRV's and no zoneing. - open system designed to run at a really low flow temperature and ballanced correctly will be the most energy efficient. Glycol reduces the SHC, making it a bit less efficent for heating, however it is needed od there is a chance of freezing during powercut unless anti freeze valves are used.

@jamesfarrer5087 10 ай бұрын

Nice, I have Drayton Wiser and didn't know the electrical heat switch existed. We have an awful IR remote on our towel radiator which is awkward to program so I think I see this in my future. It's a shame the Wiser Room Thermostat is so expensive, personally I'd be happy for a cheaper model without the screen or controls - if I can control it from my phone that'd be fine

@Oblongg 10 ай бұрын

Great, I used car antifreeze to fill which is probably very similar to your pink stuff. I also discovered that you don't need to leave an air gap at the top if you let the towel radiator get hot and then screw the top cap on while still hot.

@TheRestorationCouple 10 ай бұрын

Good idea. I was surprised how much it did expand and still bled a bit off when hot.

@bridgetcastle7102 10 ай бұрын

Thanks

@Snutch20 10 ай бұрын

The Wiser smart plugs also double up as a range extender if you have any connectivity issues between the hub and any heat switches/TRVs that are a bit further away. I’ve been using the system for 3 years and it works really well.

@TheRestorationCouple 10 ай бұрын

That’s good to know. I’ve heard good stuff from a few people running the other products like TRVs and sockets. 👍

@nicholaspargeter6913 4 ай бұрын

Mate. I like it. I just put a 150w probe on my towel rail. It was originally 400 or 600w. Thing is now it’s just Luke warm. I’d expect if the water kept cycling round it would get hotter and hotter throughout the day but I think it’s reached a temperature and that’s it. I’m wondering if I emptied the water and changed it out for the stuff you used it may make a difference?

@duncanhallam6556 10 ай бұрын

Wonder if this could also be linked into a power feed from a Myenergi Eddi to run from excess solar.

@robgullen 10 ай бұрын

A brilliant solution - and looks very smart too! [By chance I've spent today retro-fitting electric elements to two towel rails on our CH system for toasty towels in the summer - using Hive switch/sockets for timing. Why, oh why are heating installers too lazy to simply run bathroom towel rails off a separate circuit on a wet system - just a bit of pipe and an extra motorised valve to have summer heat from the boiler that's working to supply HW anyway?]

@_Steven_S 10 ай бұрын

13:35 I was thinking the same about the switched FCU. Probably the first thing the children switch off 😶

@rpbartlett 2 ай бұрын

What ratio of liquid mix did you use and any specific glycol brand?

@davetay44 10 ай бұрын

Great stuff, been thinking about getting an electric towel radiator so we can have warm towels without putting the entire central heating on - what heating element(s) did you use in the video? Thanks

@gilesrees2413 Ай бұрын

How does that rad compare to the Ecostrad rad you installed a while ago? We have a couple of the Ecostrads and were underwhelmed by them. Do the glycol filled rads heat the room better?

@anneleykay9437 10 ай бұрын

Not directly relevant to this video, but as electric heating is expensive and you mention you are going to instal a wood burner for winter, have you considered adding a Recoheat (heat recovery system) to the flue? We used our wood burner for all ambient heating last year as biomass pellets would have cost £500 per month(!!). I haven’t installed a Recoheat system myself but am looking into it. As I commented on your earlier MHRV system, it may make the room noticibly cooler winter so this could well help keep you all warm. Really enjoy the variety of your videos.

@stevecraft00 10 ай бұрын

I tried to fit a wiser unit to my heating. I spent an hour or two on the phone to their very helpful support line, but we simply could not get it to connect to my WiFi. I had wisers predecessor which worked well for me but the stat died rendering the whole system useless - they'd stopped making them.

@powerwashcleaning 5 ай бұрын

Hi hiw did you find a 1000 watt element? As if you read inlije they recommended 100 watts per sqaure meter of floor space. We have a room thats 16 meters and run a 1500 watt hester in there, if i transferred to these at 800 to 1000 watt i worry they may not be enough. Even in a larger radiator like yours once the water is heated then its heated though right? Its the water that disapates the heat as opposed to the element? So more water will take longer to heat but will emit more heat? Whats your thoughts?

@yellownev 10 ай бұрын

I hope you investigate and or fit some IR panels …. Another type of electric heating with minimal installation demands.

@TheRestorationCouple 10 ай бұрын

We had initially planned IR matting to be plastered in to ceilings. In the end we did timber ceilings so not possible our heat demand is so low it may have been excessive anyway.

@tom451 10 ай бұрын

Another great video, what company did you use for your column radiator?

@troyboy4345 10 ай бұрын

💯 Leccy

@rogergladding7943 10 ай бұрын

I note you are planning for a wood burner. Would this be a conventional log burner or one of those pellet things? I have a conventional log burner and was thinking of fitting a back boiler and looping it into my gas ch system as I already gave a dunsley neutraliser system in place. However there are lots of scare stories about the government banning log burners soon. Comments? I did see a Japanese woodworker video recently where the guy said log burners were really catching on in Japan at the moment. It seems to be a minefield

@TheRestorationCouple 10 ай бұрын

It would be a log burner, wouldn’t bother with pellets again. Usually arrive in plastic bags and not made in Uk. We have unlimited firewood so makes sense. Fortunately the cabin is not governed by residential regs so would be fine whatever. That said, I can’t see a full ban, too many people rely on it as a primary heat source.

@willhastings 10 ай бұрын

ptfe tape on fittings with rubber seal? 🤔

@lukejennings321 10 ай бұрын

What was the radiator model that you used in the living room please?

@adamstockton67 10 ай бұрын

I’d like to know also

@AMG63 10 ай бұрын

Alpha - Raw Metal Column Radiator

@AMG63 10 ай бұрын

Well thats what it looks like to me

@user-sr7bi3ei9v 10 ай бұрын

Did you sell the Solis, any reason for opting for the Massey?

@TheRestorationCouple 10 ай бұрын

It was a demo model on loan.

@richardstevenson2727 10 ай бұрын

👍

@justwannaridemabike 10 ай бұрын

Do you have solar panels on the cabin or the farm for all your electricity needs?

@TheRestorationCouple 10 ай бұрын

Only once the barn conversion has new roof. 👍

@Lewis01Brown 10 ай бұрын

Are the radiators not filled with anything?

@TheRestorationCouple 10 ай бұрын

Watch on and you will see…. 👍

@put301 10 ай бұрын

Blanking plugs with a o ring doesn’t need PTFE

@livingoffgridinscotland 10 ай бұрын

What’s the u value of the elements in this cabin? If you can get down to 0.11 you don’t hardly need any heating! I think a 5kw multi fuel stove will eliminate most of your heating requirements especially in the winter

@TheRestorationCouple 10 ай бұрын

Towel radiator is a necessity whatever primary heat source you have. (well it is here!) 😂 We are not that low on U value mainly due to the wall thickness and ratio of perimeter walls to m2 however floor and roof are beyond new build and I would say its pretty good for a 'caravan'. It's one reason why I have just left it as a single radiator for now so we will see what Winter is like. The main build will be very low and therefor no central heating. 👍

@livingoffgridinscotland 10 ай бұрын

@@TheRestorationCouple totally, yes a bathroom always needs some form of heat… 150mm PIR and an air tight vapour Barr gets you to about 0.13 u value,

@mandyleeson1 10 ай бұрын

Apologies for my ignorance in advance, but what are the advantages of this type of system compared to the ‘plug in’ stand alone radiators?

@johnhunter4181 Ай бұрын

Electric heating is insane. Shame you didn't install proper MVHR and ducting in the roof space - that would circulate the air and then a small mini split a/c would have supplied 4kw of heat for 1kW of electricity - ¼ of the cost and cheaper than gas. We heat our 5-bed house with two mini splits that cost £3.5k fully installed.

@gilesrees2413 Ай бұрын

Can you go into a bit more detail on this for those of us who have no idea what you're saying! :) I'm not being sarcastic btw... we have an off grid house that's costing a fortune to run on electric and desperately need a better solution!

@johnhunter4181 Ай бұрын

@@gilesrees2413 Hiya, air conditioning units are heat pumps that heat air instead of water and so are 4-500% efficient - they also clean the air and cool the house in summer. They are MUCH easier to install than Air to Water heat pumps - it only took one man one day. It works well for us because the house is very open plan - we like the whole house to be at least 20°C, we don't keep cold rooms. We also have a new efficient gas boiler but we only use that for heating the hot water because the a/c is cheaper to run! It helps if you have solar and batteries because if you have a heat pump, Octopus will allow you to go on 'Octopus Cosy' and you can have cheap electric 4-7am and 1-4pm. I hope that helps, most heat pumps in Sweden are a/c units, we are in the UK but the house is Swedish made.

@gerrym4377 10 ай бұрын

We’re going to fill this with some special fluid… Tim’s chat up lines are the best 😅

@colinsutcliffe768 5 ай бұрын

I used cheap cooking oil

@evenstevens280 10 ай бұрын

It was actually an F#

@BillsCountrysideAdventures 10 ай бұрын

I'm not 100% but your not allowed that spur down that low or near I think 1.6 or 2m from sink or bath

@TheRestorationCouple 10 ай бұрын

The spur is in the next room, the electric heat switch is bathroom rated and outside of zones 1 and 2. 👍

@timclarke8565 10 ай бұрын

Really neat idea. Certainly prettier than the common electric radiator dross we see. Have to say, experience of Drayton wiser hasnt been positive, so I hope you fair better 👍