The Loser hand up thread, hold ‘em up proud everyone! ✋

Angel Dust’s “don’t hurt HER” is what killed me, it’s what a ton of victims feel, they’re so used to being abused they expect it, but when someone they care about is exposed to that side of their abuser their first thought is always to protect the people they care about. That scene was so realistic it hurts 😭

Normally in television and film, sexual assault is told, and not shown. The audience is expected to empathize with the victim without actually seeing their pain. I feel like that contributes to why people act so emotionless and cruel to SA victims and tend to blame the victim themselves. This show had the balls to actually show it, and in such raw detail. The world needed to see this.

The huskerdust shippers are screaming and the radiodust shippers are crying

the "just don't hurt her!" line gets me everytime;;; Angel cares so much..

I love Angel’s pause when he says “thanks for caring about me” like…he WANTS to say “thanks for trying” but knows that her trying to help made things worse, so the next best thing he can think to say is “thanks for caring about me”

You know what would be a good full circle? Charlie beating valinetinos ass and making him say "yes, charlie" to her like he made Angel Dust say to him.

I was never a huskerdust shipper... until the "'aint half bad" bit. Now i'm doing a huge split with one foot onto the chaggie boat and one on the huskerdust ship.

I've seen Elijah's reaction, and I mentioned over there that while it's very intersting..it's very, VERY heartbreaking to hear Angel's...or rather Anthony's Real Voice. And now i can't wait for Morgan's reaction

19:12 I think the way they are tied up here symbolises their deals. angel’s bind to val is complicated and messy - he’s still able to leave the studio, live at the hotel, get into fights on the street, and generally do his own thing outside of work. but when val needs him to do something he has no choice, and he can’t do anything about being constantly treated like shit. husk on the other hand has a much tighter, cleaner bind - alastor has pretty much forced him into constant work at the hotel forever (until al decides he’s done and moves him onto something else), with no life outside of it. right now we can’t be sure if he can/is allowed to even LEAVE the hotel for self serving reasons and/or needs permission from alastor/charlie (his “employers”). so far we’ve only ever seen him leave when charlie has given him a task (trust exercises and helping angel). angel is a spider caught in his own web and husk is a street cat stuck in a house.

Of course Husk has a great singing voice. The VA was Dr. Facilier in Disneys Princess and the Frog. Keith David is a legend.

Hamish was a necessity for this episode. Angel deserves so much better than this. The way Val treats him and what Angel said about trying to get broken enough that Val will let him go, it's really painful to watch. I'm glad he and Husk have found common ground and can support eachother. And I love the message in "Loser, Baby." It's not your usual, "cheer up, things will get better" song. It's more realistic. Yeah, Angel's life is screwed up, but he's not alone. He now has someone who understands that he can look to for support. That's as good a start as any.

I love how I've seen both their reactions and Elijah's reaction had more tears and emotional outbursts but yours had more anger. You do both really fit Charlie and Vaggie well lol.

Angel is a jumping spider (the cute and fuzzy type), they have 2 huge eyes and the other 6 are tiny. It’s inspired character design using the small eyes as freckles (untill he’s mad enough to shift forms).

Did anyone else notice that, when Angel smoothed back his hair *put his mask back on* and snorted, Husker flinched slightly before turning and giving Angel his drink? He also looked really frustrated when Angel was talking after, like he knew that AD had put his mask back on and wasn't being "real" with him. I thought that was interesting. I really loved this episode, specifically because nobody pulled their punches. Although AD has always come off as *super horny* and proud of what he does, but we're shown that there is nothing glamorous about what he does or the situation he is in. And the way they showed not just the abuse, but the trauma that goes with it, which doesn't usually happen in a show. AD finally opening up to Husker felt very RAW, the VA did an incredible job.

What caught my eye the most about Charlies transformation was her glow, she had an orange glow radiating from her and in the first episode, we saw the paper she was holding burn to ash instantly when she began to change.

The only silver lining of the scene with Val was when Angel said "...just don't hurt her". Nice to see some onscreen confirmation of how much he cares about Charlie.

One thing I found interesting in the "Poison" song was at the very end. As Angel is on the balcony, we see Vox and Valentino talking below. Vox is smiling as he talks to Val, then he glances over at Angel, stops smiling, and teleports away. It's a very small moment, but it seems to imply that even if Vox is enabling Val's actions, he isn't entirely comfortable with them or with the way Angel has been treated. Also, "Loser Baby" is easily the best song to come out of this show so far. Fight me.

As touching as 'don't hurt her' is, we all know Val is far weaker than Charlie, and her dad is even stronger than her. If he truly tried anything he'd be a bug smear on the pavement. Which is why he manipulated Charlie through manipulating Angel, who she cares about.

14:59 - I don’t think anyone in these reactions realizes what the shark demon put in Angels drink, it’s not just a roofie, it’s one of Velvets love potions, you can find and advertisement board for it with both Valentino and Velvet on it

4:50 Context is Key Mosco lmao🤣😅 we totally believe you🤭🤭

Man. I really wanted to see Charlie absolutely destroy val. I fully believe she was capable of it

As a bit of lore clarification, Overlords don't necessarily need "domains", they're just sinners who have gained possession of other sinner's souls. So technically speaking Alastor owns Husk in the same way that Valentino owns Angel, granted yes the relationships are very different in their inner workings and personalities of the dominant overlords, but it is functionally the same.

It's so difficult to get into details, but Angel Dust became such a character I related close to due to an abusive relationship I once was in. I felt myself being trapped in a corner and always putting on a Mask. So when the animation for Poison was released, it touched so close to me. Even more than Addict. I'll always feel a close connection to Angel, and he will always be my favorite in the Hazbin cast. Sending hugs to anyone else who may relate to some extent. 🫶🏼💕

4:44 Smooth, babe. Real smooth... 🤣

I really want to Elijah's reaction to you digging yourself a grave lmao😂

Dang what an episode, they beat us over the head with that scene of Angel being abused by Val and then uplifted by Husk, someone who truly understands him! I'm not a shipper but I hope we can see more Huskerdust in the future!

Angel and Husk are both damaged from addictions and together, they can at least try to give their stories different endings. They both deserve each other and the world.

Mosco! You can't say "my girlfriend says 'harder, daddy'" on the internet unless you WANT creepy comments and real-life fanfics! 😂

The world isn’t so bad as long as you have people to watch it burn with you. -My Grandma ❤

Out of all of the evil characters so far i gotta say Valentino is the worse most vile one so far and i wanted Charlie to mess him up when she got so angry lol

I feel like Charlie crying at the end because Angel forgave her is gonna be like the Wax Stan funeral in Gravity Falls. We're laughing now but once the series is over it's gonna be really tragic on rewatch.

"Just don't hurt her." As a survivor of domestic abuse, this line is SO accurate. The thinking of "I may deserve this and I'm used to it, but they don't."

This episode is what made Husk one of ny favorites. I actually think he's above Alastor for me now. Such an emotional episode and I'm so happy to have the friendship between him and Angel developed in this episode.

This episode was so rough and real and absolutely deserves a content warning, but I do appreciate how they knew the audience would need some cheering up after Poison and Loser Baby really does make me feel better. Best songs of the series so far and boy are they emotional.

The "This is yours" part really solidified that Elijah is Charlie, ur Vaggie and Morgan is angel 😂

I love if people are surprised Husk’s actor can sing. Keith David had one of the best Disney villain songs!

Viv out here just breaking our souls before she can set it back into place properly to begin healing

Oof. This episode is so tragic. I feel so sorry for Angel Dust.

The fact that she thought it would be wholesome at the start 😭😭😭

'he's got a great singing voice!' I mean. . . same voice actor as Doctor Facilier in Princess and the Frog. Man got pipes lmao

This episode is what got me on the Huskerdust wagon. Like before that I never thought much of it, but now I hope they become boyfriends.

"I don't know why my voice is all high and squeaky like this!" Is so perfect!

Mosco digging that hole trying to explain herself about Elijah's quote was so funny xD I mean nobody would judge you girls if you were into that, but I get it

the raw emotion in this reaction is beautiful, i was the same kinda when i watched it and i can say that the comfort animal was very needed here cuz i think i broke the armrest on my chair at some point

I’m obsessed with Charlie unleashing her power. I think if Angel hadn’t gotten between her and Val she was capable of just crushing him, overlord or not. Can’t wait until she actually lets go and I hope we see it in this season at some point.

Husk is voiced by the same man who voiced Dr.Falicier in the princess and the frog (I can’t spell his name lol)

Valentino: /breathes/ The entire Hazbin Hotel fandom: all right 🔪 peace was never an option

Wait, wait, wait wait wait. Is Charlie's power changing the nature of Hell???? No, seriously. She sings and people treat her like a freak, but everyone around her still joins in and people seem surprised by it, to judge by the gangsters' reaction. It could all just be a joke I'm overthinking, but are the writers dropping hints that Charlie is so powerful she can make Hell's reality alter itself to suit her tastes?

Viv: emotionally puts you on edge with the intro scene You: lets your guard down when it is shown to be just a porn scene Viv: Valentino, actually

I think the reason why so many people love this episode is cause I think it's two pronged, it can have you feel so heartbroken and sobbing-your-ass-off-sad at first and then have you feeling so happy and full of joy the next.😊❤

Keith David fr got paid to call someone a power bottom

“Made him a drink” made me piss myself laughing

We've seen Angel wear that mask since the pilot episode. He really does care and just wants to act like he doesn't give a shit when he actually does. Like that part in the pilot when he feels bad for Charlie after he got involved in that turf war with Cherry bomb. I had a feeling we would see that side of him in this episode. Angel wants to change his life but doesn't know where to start. He's stuck! I hope we see him break free from Valentino soon.

4:44 It’s okay Mosco you don’t have to explain anything……we all know she actually calls you Mommy 😅

This was a rollercoaster of an episode... Glad to see you've joined the Huskerdust ship 🥳 and honestly seeing the parallels of you and Elijah's reaction really makes me believe y'all were chaggie in another life Also proud member of the loser club over here 🙌🏽

Elijah: *sees sweet moment* Aw, I miss Mosco Mosco: *hears harder daddy* So my girlfriend once said...

12:30, yeah, that was Raphielle II- he also did Angel’s choreography in the ADDICT MV as well the revisions for the Klown B!tch choreography. Fantastic artist- he boards a lot of the really intense/emotional/dance focused scenes. (Idk if its a deadname or if Raph is a nickname, but he is listed as Arielle Somerville in the credits if you wanna see what work he did- he does a lot of work for HB as well)

You know what the worst part is? If Anthony ruined himself enough where he would be useless to Valentino, Val wouldn't let him go; he would use a Carmine Angelic bullet to blow Anthony's brains out. Edit: ✋️

I’ll be honest, after hearing Valentino in Episode I and our first impression being him as a whiner, easily manipulated by Vox, I was pretty worried þæt Valentino wasn’t going to be scary. And þen came Episode IV… sweet Celestia, Episode IV.

Aw that King plushie is adorable.

"Touching grass isn't helping, I need to commit several acts of uncivil rebellion" - Mosco, probably.

Re: Poison, I've seen theories online that Angel's fully disassociating during it, when he's dancing. That the things we see on the screen behind him is what's *really* happening to him, and when Val grabs his arm, it snaps him out of it forecefully.

"Loosing is the new winning" 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

22:02 Mosco officially on the Huskerdust train 🚂 WooHoo!!🎉

Charlie is going to snap at some point and those overlords that think they’re tough s**t will be so sorry they reaped the whirlwind I swear!

Her face when Angel says don't hurt her

20:50 Self-defense! Charlie wouldn't be happy about it but she would accept it.

I always liked Husk on a aurface level (becuz we didnt have much to go) as a cat lover, and his attitude towards Alastor in the pilot. This episode gave me SO much more to love (I double taked at the overlord reveal like WHAT). His and Angel's dynamic in this episode was so good and I'm a huge shipper but I'm glad they're building repore and chemistry at a reasonable pace (whether they actually become a couple or just really good bar buddies either way). As for the rest-- my GOD this episode is painful to watch. Angel deserves better than this, even in Hell. And I know im not alone when saying I want Val's head mounted on a pike above his his burning studio. Poison feels like a much sadder variant of Addict and it's prolly gonna be a bit b4 i can listen to it outside of the episode.

"Enjoyed" is a strong word for how I feel about this episode. It's...complicated.

I love the huskerdusk energy but I'm extremely curious about husk being an ex-overlord. I freaked out when I heard that

love this episode so much, loser baby is not only a pure banger but also have a really cool, if unorthodox, message

"This could be the most wholesome episode ever." Me: Oh honey....

I had to legit get up and walk away while watching this cuz I was getting REALLY fucking Mad. But as low as it took us, that duet in the end brought it back up to a HIGH high! I'm on the Huskerdust train after this episode and I hope that Dustox that thinks he's a Beautifly catches a Fire Blast from Charlie.

Okay I just want to point this out because I feel that we are not out of the woods is terms of bad stuff that happens to Angel because we still haven’t seen the scene where Charlie is crying at what we assume is Angels door so I am even more terrified than I was before this episode

Was low key expecting you to start gnawing on the plant for a second 🤣

You're the first person to bring up how Husk was personally angry at the drink being spiked because he's a bartender. That's honestly an awesome outlook on it.

You can see the tiny cleaner demon sshh the cat bartender dude right before he says what her deal is and he switches up like you dont wanna know i like that thats cool

I feel this is a good example of an episode name really supporting the story being told well.

18:45 🤚🏼 Great reaction and yes Husk is very cute 😊💙

Still blown away by the fact they got kesha to do bee's spoken voice in helluva and keith goddamn david for husker

Ahhhhh! You’re wearing Elijah merch! That’s adorable!!!

I saw the comments so I thought I'd be ready but your INSTANT regret brought me to laughing hysterically with that girlfriend quote I AM DYING-

The voice actor for husk also voiced doctor facile in the princess in the frog and I really enjoy the song friends on the other side which this voice actor sings. So yeah, huzz has a good singing voice. I mean, he proved that in princess and the frog.

We got a hint that Husk was an Overlord in the Pilot. When Vaggie was telling Angel about Alastor, you can see Husk going against him behind her.

12:25 THIS! I have so many thoughts about sex work in the Helluva/Hazbin universe and the ways it mirrors our own. Valentino perfectly represents the mainstream porn industry and sex trade (at least from an american perspective). It’s primarily run in an abusive often barely legal manner wich besides the obvious issues of CP, human trafficking and revenge porn, the workers are targeted, blamed and generally treated like criminals for the services they provide but their bosses and clientele are usually left alone by law enforcement or given a slap on the wrist. If a sex-worker tried to come forward about a client stealing from them or their boss abusing them they’d be laughed out of the station, arrested, blamed and/or further assaulted by the police. Murders involving a victim who is even just thought to be involved in sex work are almost never properly reported, or investigated (look it up there are dozens of cases of murders being classified as something like “violent incident no human involved”) much less solved. And the chances for justice are even lower for trans and BIPOC sex workers. Ozzie however represents what sex work can,could and should be. Sex-worker lead businesses backed by legislation that prioritizes physical and mental health as well as worker safety. (This is where we would want to have our darling Spider and his co stars to be working) I highly recommend looking into local (and online) sex worker activist groups to learn more about what you can do to help make life safer for people in this line of work as well as being a smarter consumer and looking into ethical porn wich yes you’ll have to pay for (with some exceptions looking at you audio erotica people self publish on Reddit) but by doing your research, listening to sex workers and you know paying them for what they do, you can help make life better for real people in Angel’s line of work. I started learning about this topic through the podcast Girls on Porn wich is basically “porn critic” the podcast. They are (from my recollection ) queer friendly ,and good at directing their audience towards reputable companies (I haven’t listened to it in ages so if the fucked yo bad let me know). Anyway tangent over. Can you tell sex and sex work is an area of interest of mine 😂

I wasn't a huge fan of the songs in previous episodes, but this episode had two genuinely great ones.

Confirmed. Elijah: Charlie Mosco: Vaggie Morgan: Angel Throuples for the ages.

Something I can't help but take notice of is when Anthony signed the contract you signed it with a heart ❤ next to his name

husk has to be my favorite

4:42 Some people who look for meme or out of context material: 🌚🤌

4:41 that can be taken way out of context 😂

9:48 was a perfect oppertunity for the green monster! i miss the green monster :') edit: NVM THERE HE IS!!! 10:54

I love seeing the reaction the first 20 seconds of the episode cause everyone is always so worried 😭

I love that you covered Hamish's eyes.

I haven’t finish your reaction yet, but I saw someone mention that the parts in Poison where Angel is like showing off and putting on a performance is he dissociating from what Valentino was making him do :( BUT you could see in the screens behind what was “really” happening. The only thing he can’t escape from is Valentino, when he enters the scene at the end not even dissociation could make Angel’s be in a “better” place…

Oh no not ready for this emotional train again😭😭

Hey Mosco! Sending you virtual hugs for this episode! Love your vids!

I saw in another video that there was actually a hint to Husk being an overlord in the pilot. While Vaggie was explaining Alastor to Angel, the image of the overlords had Husk's silhouette next to Alastor. Even more surprising is that Niffty is there, too...

Elijah: *crying* Mosco: *throwing insults*