As a Belgian Hunting course instructor ( here we’re restricted to steel shot only in Flanders) , I always ask my students, ‘what do you think manufacturers changed when steel shot became mandatory? ‘ All kinds of theories between barrel thickness and steel hardness spring up : my happy reply remains the same : the stamp

Jonny, great watch video - Nick you always make a fascinating contribution - thank you 👍👍😍😍

Excellent video. Thanks for that. Always wanted to see what would happen and it fills me with a bit more confidence with my own English side by side especially with the condition of the particular gun you were using and its chamber length haha

Leadshot was banned in 1992 here in the Netherlands. My dad bought a Winchester 101 in 1985 with 1/2 and 1/1 fixed chokes. The thing has shot thousands of steel shot cartridges ranging from #3 to #7, 24 gram to 36 gram loads. It has been my main gun since 2010, nothing wrong with it. Not a scratch in the bore. The discussion going on in the UK now, is exactly the same as 28 years ago in the Netherlands. Wounding and missing is down to shooting distance and marksmanship, not the material used to make the pellets. Steel shot is as lethal as anything, just ask the thousands of head of game shot in the Netherlands each year.

Another Brilliant video chaps well done

Hay fellows, Iraq veteran 8888 put all kinds of cartridges through a old 410 single shot shotgun to try and blow it up. I was quite impressed with the 45-70 load and the gun with stood it. I also know of folks that have shot all kinds of things out of black powder muzzle loaders like nails pebbles. I am mentioning this not to take away your experiment but, just thought you may like there videos. Guns are very tough except when you over charge or an obstruction in barrel. Again you already know that.

Thanks Jonny for another great vlog I think you're right what you say theres so much misinformation going round.. Me and a few mates have been trying out some steel cartridges for clay shooting ( up until last week anyway ) and to be honest I can't see any difference to my scores with lead we've been using up to 3/4 chokes and the pattern has been pretty good even on some hard to hit loopers out at 50+yards no worries to the only thing I did notice was the cost is bought gamebore over run white gold at £ 30.00 a slab. .. Now I'm never going to be a world class shoot or win any big competition but I'm regular shot with a 70% average and so will I carry on using steel. .....Heck yeah...

Great video guys👍 I have a webley and Scott 700 ax’s that bought of the back of your w&s video John back in the day! Can I find out what it the choke size of each barrel from the proof stamps?

I'm in new york state, was nice to "get out with you, much needed thank you

Great video Jonny! How do you think steel shot will work on my marocchi zero3 trap gun? It’s fixed choke 3/4 and full, 18,8 on both barrels. Keep up with the good work.

Thanks so much. I going goose hunting tomorrow and my Fulton side by side is the only one I have that is legal to use.

Looking at buying an old bettinsoli rough field gun, it’s got 1/2 & 1/4 chokes and no extra chokes. So if I understand I am able to put standard steel loads through it? Thanks for any help

Hi Jonny. I have a charles Osborne 20 bore that has been resleeved, what are your thoughts on steel use in this.

Do those cartridges use a plastic wad to protect the barrels? How would this gun hold up using a steel shot fiber wad cartridge?

Fantastic thanks. I am ignorant to the reason why steel in some clay grounds cant be used? If you could explain please?

Questions about 2 3/4" (70mm) shells in 2.5" of 2 5/8" chambers occasionally crop up. The fact is that shooting the longer shells in the shorter chambers adds something like 800-1000 psi measured at mid-distal chamber. This is certainly not a safety consideration in guns that are otherwise safe to shoot. Walter King, famous barrel maker for Parker Brothers, specifically stated that their standard 2 5/8" chambers (and forcing cones) were entirely suitable for the longer shells.

had an old spanish side by side. Shot nitro cartridges with it. after 4 shots i had to wait to let it cool of to open it ... has nothing to do with the steel, that will maybe scratch you barrels. It's the pressure that will kill you ...

tried standard steel in my mk60 with the 3/4 choke bored out to 3/8 no harm done just need cartridge people to make a fibre wad steel cartridge in standard steel cheers

Everyone that came here & has left a negative comment are the ones that are butt hurt about steel shot... these gents have PROVEN.. that steel shot is safe to use... even through an old banger of a gun... none of you can find any hard evident negatives to their findings... so the next best thing on the list...???... “oh you’re standing too close together” ... “Ohh... shoot steel shot through a H&H or a purdey” ... Let’s be honest.... if you spent in the region of a £70-£100k on a fire arm... you would 100% expect it to beable to take steel shot.... stick a manpon in it & let’s enjoy the fact that quite simply... steel shot IS SAFE TO USE! another great video Johnny! Keep up the good work! @TGS Outdoors

Steel shot is good for any shotgun or what can I do to not destroy my future 12G.

Will we have to use steel for clay shooting. Most of my guns are old spanish £60 side by sides.

Me encantaría ver pruebas de plomeo y penetración de distintos calibres a distintas distancias. Personalmente considero al calibre 16, superior al 12 y al 20 para la caza al salto. Incluso al 24, mejor que el 28 y el 20 para circunstancias favorables. Y al calibre 10 con cargas de 50 gramos mejor que el 12,70 y el 12,76. Me apasionaria poder ver pruebas comparativas de los calibres que anteriormente he citado.

Shoot steel through a Purdey or Holland and Holland??Have you a persistent cough and high temperature? 🤔

It makes things confusing when manufacturers aren't adhearing to similar shot sizes And using larger than the posted number on the cartridge

I have a 1990 Beretta 686 12b O/U, is there any steel I can’t put through it?

It doesn't strictly say it on the box, look at Gamebore 32gram 3's(steel 70mm/2 3/4"). The outer of the box suggests 3 1/4 ton per sq inch.....then inside a small piece of paper suggests its HP so needs a fleur de lis.....if this paper is lost/falls out/miss placed.....Gamebore need to address this OR as you've suggested a move to mm standardisation would be sensible!

Just a question about downsizing load sizes, if someone was using a semi auto with 32g lead cartridges because the semi auto wouldn’t cycle 28gs and below would you still suggest downsizing to 28g steel cartridges from 32g lead cartridges and would the gun cycle the steel cartridges.

Surely there is a way of making steel shot softer

Para el tiro olímpico, skeet con cargas de 24 gramos, y foso universal con carga de 28 gramos. Sigo pensando que el calibre 16 es superior en eficacia general al doce y al veinte. iiiiii como me gustaría poderlo experimentar iii Calibre 16 con distintas recamaras, 68,70, 72 mm. Con munición de tiro 7 1/5 con antimonio, y 24 gramos y 28. Y también poder probar cañones superpuestos de distintos pesos

dad has a damascus barrel sxs hammer 12g not a 2 3/4 chamber its shorter which we did not know, but nitro proofed i beleie the gunsmith informed me, before dad dies i got all his guns transfered to me, other wise we have a nightmare after he dies of lawyers ect to transfer, so better to pay $120 odd now than hire a lawyer. and we shot 2 3/4 of all loads in it for 30 odd years, 36 grams and anything thats we could purchase, it never blew up, choke is very very tight, 20 yards i can put a strip across a wounded ducks head and not touch the body. years ago dad shot a wood duck, its the same size as a black duck, australia we are, at 40 yards we counted 43 pellets in the duck,and yes i kept a photo of that as a record, lead shot as lead is permitted with that gun still at that point for safety reasons. we like our guns with very very tight paterns, just how we learnt, id rather hit it or completely miss a duck that way less wounding. just my preferance. steel shot i cannot fault in anyway to lead, distance or killing power now that i have a cheap gun with removable chokes. 70 yards ducks fold dead just like lead, but i shoot very very tight patterns, not everyone can, i just hate the cost, we pay double other countries do, even the cheapest 22 winchester ammo made here in victoria we pay about $10 for pack of 50. yet an import we can buy for $5-6 a pack. eley i learnt with but its like buying gold here. old eley grand prix paper shells, and common was blue stars, good shells.

Steel shot is stamped out of billets of soft Iron, I have seen the machinery at Federal in 1997. Lead is melted and dropped into water pool, so the shot towers are not in use there any more. But with Iron this would not work the melting point is too high. But a good manufacturer can not just go and buy some ball bearing from China, thees real steel balls would be harder then the barrel. But in the Steel shot is soft iron and most probably they buy it (one manufacturer is in Germany they make soft Iron shot) or they press them themselves to have the quality under control. Otherwise they would end up with loads like in the 1980ties, either no power or hot as hell. Some of the first loads in the USA they used the copper pressure method to measure the pressure these load was hot as hell, after that all change to pizo pressure measuring. During that early steel shot time some shot was way harder the what is used today. Eley makes quit good sport cartridges in steel, they are very uniform in performance, the Rotweils I used was very unconsistant. But Winchester or Federal are fine as well but they not offer high performance (European thing 12/70 with high pressure, Fiocchi also makes 28/70 1050 bar lead rounds now even 76. In Italy they can also over proof the 76 chambrings, very soon then the round follows). The Winchester 28/70 steel are very soft and the first series was very loosly filled and crimped. But also the tungsten shot rounds from the USA have in that ga. a bad pattern, the Bismuth was also not that great, but after a 28/70 1050bar lead 28g the performance drops, what ever you use in 18-21g can not give the same results. What wears on the shot gun is not the hard shot, it is the max pressure, and most of the heavy loads have to go close to the limit (stell has to do that as well to get you the power on the target). So when you shoot for years such loads out of a s/s, you get play in the lock and the welding of the barrel weakens as well. The s/s very like it not be punished with too many 1050 bar rounds. The Italian manufacturers indicate or publish the average pressure for the load, so you can choose the low pressure load for your old gun.

So...saving up for a Beretta paralello now ...

I've never shot steel out of anything that steel proofed and i've never had an issue

Por favor para cuando editareis videos en español?. No tenemos nada parecido en nuestro idioma. Faltan datos en muchas pruebas

I’m sorry Nick I’m still not convinced about steel shot in my view it will still need a shot cup and the point is the cup that needs to go yes I know there are some that degrade but how long does it take and also there are not enough cartridges that have them and only if you shoot a twelve bore sixteen bore there are none also twenty eight there are none so I think BASC have acted without consolation with the grass roots and also the cartridge company,s

Is a Blaser f16 steel proofed?

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why would steel make any difference to bulging it just has to do with mass and force, shot material has nothing to do with it.

Why didn't you pay attention to your guest

Where are your safety goggles

good subject , but dropped to sleep watching it zzz

I'd happily swap them Canadians for a box of lightening's Nick 👍

From an engineering point point of view steel against steel regardless of quality will always cause wear, which will cause a disaster if used in guns. Mark my words.

Lads- 2 metres and social distancing! Love the content but you need to work on the delivery!

Boring waste of time test !

I’m sure this man is a lovely person and no disrespect but every video you guys make together is god awful boring. I’d love to sit and chat with both of you, but it comes off rather boring in a video.