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@wiseoldwyrm765 2 жыл бұрын

Grimdark thrives on tragedy, when something precious and beautiful is bitterly warped and twisted. The Imperium is grimdark because is depicts a humanity that has achieved its dream of exploring the cosmos, walking on new worlds and meeting other intelligent life - but in the process everything that is good and wonderful about humanity has had to be sacrificed. Outer space has become a source of fear, death and pain rather than wonder, awe and inspiration. 'There is no peace among the stars'

@Josh24861 2 жыл бұрын

William Shakespeare Sicarus 2022

@anniebae7049 2 жыл бұрын

this is why I didn't find the old tau to be "destroying grimdark." 'good guys' who can't win and are constantly being crushed and beaten but trying to push through their hellish surroundings because they hope for a better future they can never reach is... grimdark. Pushing through and constantly being crushed by a helpless situation is grimdark. Moreso than just making them imperium but with magic brain washing, anyway.

@savagex466-qt1io 2 жыл бұрын

You got it bud. I love it. Its like every single race / faction has it bad. Mybie the orks are the only ones enjoying there lives or the Tau ? 40k is my favorite sci fir for sure. I understand your comment. Well said I do say.

@nakenmil 2 жыл бұрын

People seem to forget that the 40k universe always have been massively tongue-in-cheek and satirical. It's goofiness contrasted with genuine tragedy.

@Hot_SpicyGrill Жыл бұрын

To me the best example of 40k grim dark, is the dark eldar. So comically evil, and horrible it loops around into humor.

@doncoyote68 Жыл бұрын

That's just something people on the internet repeat to themselves. Super early 40k was a mishmash of stuff, with a lot of it inspired from fantasy - bright and heroic - but the parts that were ripped from Dune or Dredd or Elric where still grim dark.

@nakenmil Жыл бұрын

@@doncoyote68 I'm not saying EVERYTHING was tongue in cheek, but a lot of early imperial culture was literally a play on 80s punk culture versus authoritarian Thatcherism. Look up Rogue Trader art. All the Astartes look like 80s skinheads, for example. Also, did you miss the last sentence of my comment? "It's goofiness contrasted with genuine tragedy." Like, it's an unabashed shithole and a complete negation of every optimistic future hope Star Trek had, with unrelenting suffering - but in it they also stuff shit like the Rainbow Warriors space marines being purged (a joke about a Greenpeace ship being attacked), or naming a primarch "Lion El'Johnson" after a British poet who wrote the poem "Dark Angel" and went to a gay bar named "The Rock", or giving the Orcs cockney accents obviously, or making the mechanics of the empire a bunch of cargo-cult fanatics, etc. etc.

@the98themperoroftheholybri33 Жыл бұрын

Exactly, like the time billions of Skitari died going into the eye of terror to find an STC which turned out to be for self heating ration tins. The STC was hoarded away and forgotten

@richardb1816 5 ай бұрын

There’s something about a universe where there’s no hope for anyone and that an agonizing and empty life filled with torment is inevitable, makes a goofy joke about murderous mushrooms or pretty demigods so much funnier

@SiKaHe 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe the real grim darkness is the friends we made along the way

@Josh24861 2 жыл бұрын

You must be living in mlp then since there’s no grimdark to explain why you don’t have friends

@griffinspady9019 2 жыл бұрын

@@Josh24861 that’s what makes it grimdark…

@oldmanaz.6811 Жыл бұрын

Only if I'm one.

@GHOSTSTALKER90 Жыл бұрын

Friendship is magic ...and magic is HERESY!

@carpemkarzi Жыл бұрын

And the heretics we purged on the way as well…good grim dark times

@OmegaLittleBob 2 жыл бұрын

For me Grimdark only works if it’s contrasted with a little hope and life. A fictional world disinterests me if there’s no hope, because then there’s no reason to get invested. I think Dan Abnet put it best in an interview where he said there is no Big “H” Hope in 40k but there is little “h” hope on the smaller more personal scales.

@sergeiyamagoro431 2 жыл бұрын

This is where I'm at. A pure noir film where you go in knowing every character is going to get shafted in the cruelest way possible holds no interest for me. Instead, the honorable struggle for heroism under the yolk of a blindly destructive bureaucracy is an interesting quest. Can an army prevail without committing atrocities? Should they prevail, even when setting out with decent intentions? Far more interesting questions.

@snarkymcsnarkface1863 2 жыл бұрын

I hope GW puts out balanced rules... But in the grim dark future there is only disappointment and codex creep

@sleeplessknight99 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, those paintjobs look great. Never occurred to me to use a different color as a zenithal basecoat before!

@huntahman80 2 жыл бұрын

Underpainting is super fun to play with. GRG miniatures has a great series on the technique.

@johnmertens3022 2 жыл бұрын

Grimdark is a never ending loop where all you can do is delay the inevitable so stuff like Tyranids and chaos cause 40k to be grimdark

@Dalmango 2 жыл бұрын

Just as 40k has the right mix of fun and grimdark, this channel has the right mix of entertainment and tips! Keep up the great work

@frontline989 2 жыл бұрын

Your painting never ceases to amaze me Jay. Great job!

@majorplums 2 жыл бұрын

Grimdark /grime-dork/ Adjective 1. A Zorn palette John Blanche illustration, in a rusted tin can, floating down a sewer pipe, with a rat on it, with a laser for an eye. 2. Portmanteau word derived from the tagline of the Warhammer 40k universe, similar to frenemy, chillax, or brunch.

@dbskipworth Жыл бұрын

That’s crazy how much difference the base color made between the white and the orange! Thanks for the information. I am just a week into painting miniatures and I have a limited in my knowledge of painting in general. I appreciate the tips,tricks, and advice you give. It has kept me from feeling overwhelmed with my newfound hobby. I’ve tried to reach out of my comfort zone and not be scared of details and not in a sense “paint by number” and make my miniatures an extension of my creativity and your videos do that for me to encourage that unique approach. Thank you for doing the content you do!

@LARPBeard 2 жыл бұрын

The most grimdark place I've ever seen- the church of the holy sepulchre. Tall ceilings hidden in darkness, pleanty of different robed figures, mumbling prayrs, icons and old ornaments in every crevice.

@FrankieRogersArt 2 жыл бұрын

I just want to say how nice it has been as an audience member to see the HUGE jump in the quality of video in the last year or so. The content of your videos have always been amazing but in the last year the actual composition of the video has grown massively and it has been awesome! Keep up the great work, we are all loving it!!

@SquizmWizzerd 2 жыл бұрын

that orange zenithal came out kingly, so much more vibrant and alive than the comparison, and thanks for the comparison at the end! definitely gonna be trying out different undercoats with my models moving forward

@NafePaints 2 жыл бұрын

I know this video is more about the theme than the actual paint job but honestly I think these are the best models you've painted, so much soul coming from these models that you bought out with a great paint job.

@diehexenmaus185 2 жыл бұрын

really love how these came out (and i generally find glazes and layering to be more meditative than working with an airbrush so it's always nice to see.)

@SpookyLaugh 11 ай бұрын

That goblin holding the chain was a clever idea. The white eyes making the troll blind was genius, though.

@chrisattwood5930 2 жыл бұрын

My eyes made the orange look green almost, very cool

@jeremyjohnson9053 2 жыл бұрын

I liked how you mention no box art. I am a newer painter and I feel like box art only makes my life more difficult. I like having a reference but only when I want it, but once that box art gets into your head sometimes it is hard to forget.

@EonsOfBattle 2 жыл бұрын

totally agree! I kinda like it when the box art is a drawing or painting of the "real thing" rather than an example of the mini painted.

@stuartlennon9511 2 жыл бұрын

Grim dark is the setting and atmosphere, bit like a filter over everything. In terms of painting it feels like the realism that’s added particularly to figures or industrial structures that at a glance gives you that atmospheric feeling. It’s the difference between looking at 90’s eavy metal paint jobs where you can appreciate the model and the painting but then you look at the codex and see the artwork that you get the feeling.

@abeljuttner6667 2 жыл бұрын

For me grimdark is the life cycle of a beast of nurgle. A beast has the mind of a puppy and he just wants to play with every one but the beast doesnt know that he is a huge disgusting monster and every one they touch turns into a puddle.😢😢 And the beast just becomes depressed...

@timothyyoung2962 2 жыл бұрын

Man, those goblins look fantastic. I've been experimenting with using different colors for my primes instead of just the usual grey, white, or black. Tans, yellows, and even a light blue. It definitely changes how the colors react on your minis.

@wiccanthropy1956 2 жыл бұрын

Grimdark as a setting: no matter how good things get for you, it can always be taken away at a moment sometimes without warning. Hope Should be acquirable but not the default state for your average Joe. Grimdark as architecture: so large and grand in scope that you feel insignificant or so tight it can only force you to develop claustrophobia. Grimdark as an aesthetic: so much of it should be not built to purpose. It should, from rifle to the largest structure or machine be built in ways that can and will be esoteric and complex with people too simple or too lacking in access of knowledge to properly explain how the things they use work.

@Warghoul 2 жыл бұрын

Grim Dark represents(to me) the seedy underbelly of war and violence and what everyone involved has to go through when dealing with war of any kind. As a Veteran I have seen these things up close and personal, but it hasn’t kept me from see the beauty of the art we call “Grim Dark”. Great video, thanks for the inspiration for the goblins with the orange zenithal.

@deadbane 2 жыл бұрын

You are my favorite channel for mini painting. Thanks for everything!

@knighthaunter 2 жыл бұрын

Nice!, its always great when speed and awesome show up at the same time and you really nailed it on these with both.

@hazzie2005 2 жыл бұрын

Love how these turned out! 😍

@marshallephisto6449 2 жыл бұрын

Jay my man they look amazing, whenever I burn out, watching your videos makes me want to grab the brushes right away. Fantastic video, thank you!

@casamarfantasybattles4923 2 жыл бұрын

I love how these turned out, great job!

@sebastianporebski3778 2 жыл бұрын

It was really funny how you said Zdzisław Beksiński for me Pole, I needed a moment to get it. Amazing job!

@murray1867 2 жыл бұрын

Really well done. Some of your best paintjobs I'd say. The orange basecoat was a great idea!

@charlesv5h975 2 жыл бұрын

Love the paint job and the little story at the end! Great vid

@phm6834 2 жыл бұрын

Blanchitsu is peak grimdark to me, when we talk design. As a philosophical concept: Dirt, inhumaine life, a lack of happiness, except about others' misery, fulfillment in fighting the enemy, the few mean nothing compared to the many.

@johnathanrhoades7751 2 жыл бұрын

I JUST had the "colored zenithal" idea the other day but haven't tried it yet. (I was trying to think how to get around a camo primer and was thinking to do a skin tone zenithal). So happy that this works so incredibly well!! Also, that nose chain thing is brilliant.

@tristanspahr6164 2 жыл бұрын

40k is at it's best when it combines grim dark with satirical absurdity.

@benjaminmoser6890 2 жыл бұрын

You have baffled me with this one. Insanely good work

@lowriderbug 2 жыл бұрын

Grimdark is that feeling that you’re just prolonging the inevitable. You know you are dead you are just putting it off as long as you can.

@williamings773 2 жыл бұрын

So... everyday life?

@davidrobotham309 2 жыл бұрын

Lovely stuff, best models I've seen you paint!

@whiterose7055 2 жыл бұрын

Jay, thanks for these really great technique vids ! I'm a modeling O G but a Warhammer newb. The models I have painted in the past were by all precise and technical by design (Sci Fi spaces ships and military planes and tanks). These vids really help an old dog learn some new tricks. I thought I'd let you know I joined the channel's Patreon, you guys definitely deserve the support. See you in the live streams And Nick, grow your hair, LOL!

@gribblegreeble 2 жыл бұрын

Jay, that orange zenithal may have changed the game. Well done.

@p4cca Жыл бұрын

This video is what got me to subscribe. Loved the simplicity of the paint job!

@pcassar31 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this! As a beginner I really like your approach to painting.

@mraide 2 жыл бұрын

great use of orange undercoat

@djvertical 2 жыл бұрын

Think these might be some of the best miniatures you have done on the channel. Look absolutely amazing! 🔥🔥🔥

@TheGuilleStrike 2 жыл бұрын

This overall video was amazing! Incredible result man!

@rpg6128 2 жыл бұрын

Grimdark to me is creating a world with the absence of hope but still making the characters in the universe have hope themselves, thus creating a tragic dramatic irony. It also helps when these fictional worlds are loaded with gore, fear of the unknown and war as it just adds to the hopelessness and consequences of their actions

@damonx99 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, this one was great. Learned a lot of cool things to try. Somehow these vids keep restarting that fire for the hobby. Thanks!

@ollyp-smith7058 2 жыл бұрын

These are absolutely amazing! great paint job! In my opinion they are the best that you have painted!

@ManBeastBear 2 жыл бұрын

These were some of your best work, dude. Way to go!

@RodneySloan 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, this is such a great idea! Thank you!

@wesbrown3831 2 жыл бұрын

Jay, that was one of your best paint concepts 💡. Definitely in your top 5, maybe top 3 for me. Well done!!!! Your skill has grown wonderfully. Carry on! As for your question, I honestly think your title says it all.

@harazhangf5782 2 жыл бұрын

The paint job is awesome !!!

@Matti_Mattsen 2 жыл бұрын

Man, i do love me some good speedpainting methods and these models look stunning. Considering you only painted them for like 30min per model, its actually mindblowing. I'll definitely try something similar. Might be fun to explore this idea some more with different colored zenithals

@miniaturefun-guy 2 жыл бұрын

These guys are fantastic. Great work.

@Tryel 2 жыл бұрын

As well as zenithal with another colour than white as the light, I've been loving priming them with adarker ambient colour like blue or magenta, you get some really vibrant highlights, but get nicely contrasting shadow tones

@Virakotxa 2 жыл бұрын

The painjob ended up really impressive and realistic! One of your best ever!

@philrynda 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! I feel like you’ve really leveled up your painting. 👏👏👏

@Seoz 2 жыл бұрын

I've recently been in Beksiński muzeum in his hometown. Some disturbing stuff. But for me grimdark is just world for painting dirty dark minis. Something in direction in blanchitsu style.

@wasserhammer 2 жыл бұрын

Great job on this paint job

@GermanNightmare1976 2 жыл бұрын

It might sound a little strange, but whenever I start another 40K novel, I always -- always -- read the introductory page that sets the mood, even though I must've read it over a hundred times before (and even managed to sneak it into my university paper and final exam). I think it boils down the grimdark aspect of 40K into a few short paragraphs. And luckily, the rest is up to us to interpret and fill with meaning. When there is very little hope, never forget that "The Emperor Protects!"

@NagaNaga-mx5tg 2 жыл бұрын

Wow your skills really inspire me. I want to get into painting myself, watching the painting makes me only want to get into it more.

@j453 2 жыл бұрын

I love those goblins, really great job on the paint job too

@Anambor69 2 жыл бұрын

I just subscribed to BlackCrag yesterday, they have really excellent orks!

@wesley2249 2 жыл бұрын

Dude, you did an amazing job!

@2ndhendrix631 2 жыл бұрын

For me grimdark is just synonymous with 40k. They've encapsulated everything that it means for me. Great marketing!

@John_on_the_mountain 2 ай бұрын

I mean im pretty sure they coined the term "grimdark"

@brokenheroics8223 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic idea using the orange as a zenithal. I'll have to try it out one day.

@jodezero Жыл бұрын

Quick tip for weathering balsa wood, use a brass wire brush! Creates grain like real wood

@whimsicalcellbooster Жыл бұрын

Wow that airbrush and washing looks awesome. Already game ready 😲 this video shows my favorite style yet.

@clawhammr666 2 жыл бұрын

Very nicely done, those eyes definitely make 'em look pretty crazy

@kosachilles2504 2 жыл бұрын

This is my favourite video yet! Grimdark to me is dark, dirty and sinister

@lukesevern3923 2 жыл бұрын

I've done a purple undercoat for orks, but definitely going to be trying the orange. Awesome work Jay.

@revolverAshelot 2 жыл бұрын

"Have you ever seen a purple ork before?"

@doctordoubledakka3939 2 жыл бұрын

Dude, super sweet paintjob

@heh_boaner 2 жыл бұрын

My illustration professor loves painting figures in off-color tones, but always brightens up the nose cheeks and ears with warm colors regardless of the base skin color. His reasoning was that they were alive, not zombies. I havent tested his theory on 40 k minatures yet, but I think when using cool tones on figures like green and blue, it's especially important to contrast with warmer colors on the figure's skin - assuming they're not undead. I'm going to practice on some resin prints and hopefully try it out on my ork kill team.

@SamuelHolt1980 2 жыл бұрын

Grimdark to me is the beauty, hope and meaning found in the midst of despair and suffering, coupled with an ironic audience awareness that this hope is misplaced, the beauty a facade and the meaning ultimately futile. Genestealer cults are a perfect example of this; even success and ultimate victory leads only to speeding their own destruction. Despair and suffering are the only objectively true thing; everything else is a delusional attempt at coping with that reality. Even pure true love is never going to fully establish itself; take Eisenhorne, a strong psyker, being in love with Bequin, a blank that he can barely manage to be in proximity to.

@madboczek866 2 жыл бұрын

Damn, good Job, they look really good! I do not expect that

@Simon-rd3pc 2 жыл бұрын

These are brilliant! I love how much content you put out and how you just throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. Please keep making these fun videos and don't ever get too "youtubey"

@mrg2039 2 жыл бұрын

They look superb!

@MiguelFuentes11 2 жыл бұрын

Bam! Great lesson in underpainting! It's the tutorial I needed, not the one I was expecting.

@williamwilson1870 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing what a difference that orange zenethal made!

@godemperorphatty7185 2 жыл бұрын

You gotta have that bright, stuff to get dragged down into the muck and mire, of "Grim Dark"..That's why my ideal movie idea would be Either during the Crusade, with Space Marines descending on an innocent world, of kind likable people, being forced into the Imperium. OR I would like a movie starting with an idyllic life on some Xenos world, only for the Space Marines to arrive and start Grim Darking things up.

@stewartmartin8382 2 жыл бұрын

Very cool looking goblins, and I really have no clue on grimdark, but love the styles within grimdark

@Spongemonkey26 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, the best thing to improve painting skills is to make sure to mix in random models, not your normal army, every now and then.

@chrissteadman4614 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant! I'm defo going to give this a try. Thanks for sharing!

@teasteel4900 2 жыл бұрын

Grimdark - something brutal, dark and twisted Warhammer grimdark - nails the dark and grim estetic with little bits of humor, good times to keep it clean and something to look forward to enjoying

@Eyeofthemaelstrom 2 жыл бұрын

they look amazing

@dovkiin3259 2 жыл бұрын

They look amazing

@bnamesmith 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Loved the animated intro haha. I like grimdark... but not going to lie I miss the old school vibrant/contrasted look from the 90's when I first discovered 40K and Warhammer Fantasy. Thanks for the video!

@Jamesviolaofficial 2 жыл бұрын

This is your best paint job to date my dude

@cl8931 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic paint job on those gobbos!

@BigMekDanskull 2 жыл бұрын

Great job. The orange really paid off

@rhapsodysstudio4778 2 жыл бұрын

I loved this video, Jay! You're right, grimdark is what we make it.

@beardhammerwargaming 2 жыл бұрын

This looks amazing, love the outcome and how vibrant the skin came out =D

@fredrik241 Жыл бұрын

Haha amazing I did exactly that setup with a snotling leading on a chained GW fantasy Ogre using an added chain to his nose with nose ring just like that! :D That was about 30 years ago and some of the first GW minis I ever painted. Unfortunatly I think Iv'e lost that one as it got moved around my parents place as I was finding myself in different parts of the world. The Ogre I used was one wearing some chain mail and leather and had a round headed spiky mace/club.

@thbreadman23 2 жыл бұрын

The True Meaning of Grimdark Grim: is my determination as, inspired by you videos, I set out, brush in hand to strive for the higher echelons of creative endeavour. Dark: is my mood when the result of my labours more closely resembles something that fell out of my ass, one dark and stormy night. It is the battle within me!

@exturkconner 2 жыл бұрын

They look very much like the Goblin Slayer goblins. Which is to say kind of silly proportion wise but when you know what a pack of them can get up to the grim dark is baked right on in.