Ep. 221 | AGM Adder TS35-384 and TS50-384 **REVIEW**

Ep. 221 | AGM Adder TS35-384 and TS50-384 REVIEW

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Жыл бұрын

We're back again with a breaking review on an optic that is just hitting the market this week! Hans and Jason have been field testing the all new AGM Adder thermal rifle scopes for several weeks and on this week's show they review both the Adder TS35-384 3x $2,495 and the TS50-384 4x $2,995. The Adder model is the first thermal scope from AGM in the 30mm tube style design and they offer not only a great value, they bring the longest internal battery life we've seen so far in this style of scope with well over 15+ hours of run time and the highest base magnifications of any scopes in this price category. Pull up a chair and watch as Hans and Jason give their full take on this exciting new scope line.
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@2punish1 Жыл бұрын

AGM Adder 35 is probably the best thermal for someone interested in getting started into night hunting.

@user-zm3sk3zn5x 7 ай бұрын

These guys are the absolute best, hands down. I would challenge you to find guys more honest and more accurate than anyone you will ever fine. Thank you. They go over everything and anything you would want and need to know. Unbelievable knowledge.

@TheLateNightVisionShow 7 ай бұрын

Thank you SO much!! You have no idea how much this means to us.

@WranglerRider3 Жыл бұрын

What an exciting optic. Just sent it to a bunch of my buddies looking to get into it!

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thanks John!

@kirkstechly5441 Жыл бұрын

You guys need to have a brand battle episode comparing scope and scanner combos from each brand. AGM vs. Pulsar vs. Iray.

@suburbanprepper Жыл бұрын

they have end of the year best of episodes

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Yes sir, thanks Patrick!

Жыл бұрын

I run my thermal scope with external 26,800 mah battery bank. That's what is important to me. These new scopes look nice!

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thankfully these scopes will take an external battery pack like yours and they will run forever on that much power!

@frankschneider5566 Жыл бұрын

After using my scope when it was dry out I could not believe how much crisper the image is. Absolutely unbelievable how much moisture effects these things. It was like suddenly somebody took my scope off and slapped a new $10k Adder on. I do recall Jason and Hans did mention this but its not just an insignificant difference. I could not believe what I was seeing. And this is because the field i put my bait pile in is more often than not generally wet unless its super cold out (here in N.E. Ohio) and everything is frozen. But on nice dry days I can not believe the difference. This was a huge eye opener for me. Then it hit me that you guys are from Texas which is obviously where your videos are from and why I wasn't seeing quite the clarity and definition you guys are showing. So if I wasn't quite so happy with my Adder before I absolutely am now. You still have the non self centering of the reticle on base mag but I hope AGM fixes that part with a firmware update in the near future. I can honestly now say I would probably buy this TS50-384 again.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review Frank. That’s a great write up. The only place where there might be some confusion is the fact we are in Deep East Texas….think Louisiana and the rest of the of the South. We have crazy high humidity all the time. This morning was a nice cool spring morning, low in the 50’s and it was 90% humidity. We keep 70-99% humidity year round. Water drips off our gutters at night all summer..lol When we get humidify below 60-70% we throw a party and eat supper outside.haha! Now if you go out to North, West, deep Central or parts of South Texas you’ll get dryer air but all of East Texas is super humid and wet, from the Gulf all the way up to Arkansas. We also get about 50+ inches of rain a year which is why it’s like living in a rain forest.😂😂 But seriously, great write up and we agree, when you hit that dry air it’s amazing the difference in the in the image quality. Nothing better than a cold dry night for thermal hunting!

@lancelamoon6743 Жыл бұрын

Thats funny watching this video now and hearing Jason saying more contrast and brightness adjustments and thats in the new firmware update.

@user-yl4ye7ov1f 4 ай бұрын

Just purchased an adder ts35-384 from you guys. Everything good so far. Learned my lesson about recoil activated video. Worked great sighting the gun in. Never took video of the first coyote I shot with it

@TheLateNightVisionShow 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for the purchase, we really appreciate it! Yes sir we are not fans of any recoil activated recording. Every scope we’ve ever tested it with was hit or miss on it working. It’s a feature that sounds great in theory but it doesn’t work that one time you really really need it.haha

@user-yl4ye7ov1f 4 ай бұрын

I’d just like to say I was wrong. Getting used to the t vision app., user error not scope. Found the video. It has worked for me shooting at several coyotes. But when I have time, I push record.

@jhuffman52 Жыл бұрын

It is about time someone other than ATN gets a 3x or 4x model in 384 👍

@jeraldkrenek2179 Жыл бұрын

Irayusa and pulsar both have 384 models in 3x and 4x

@jasonlimbocker3386 6 ай бұрын

I wish I would have. Seen your channel before I bought my scope. I think I would have came to the same conclusion but would have much rather Bought from you because i've learned more about my scope from you than anyone

@TheLateNightVisionShow 6 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for the kind words, that means a lot to us. Next time you’re in the market for a thermal optic we’d love to have your business!

@brucemcpherson8832 Жыл бұрын

It's the AGM Adder in the USA and the HIKMicro Stellar everywhere else in the world I have the Stellar SQ50 (12 micron 640 sensor) on test at the moment. They are good thermal scopes at a good price, but not as good as the top of the range Pulsar Thermions

@bunnytoo3710 Жыл бұрын

You guys are awesome, can you use it with a battery pack? Ah! You guys confirmed it can around the 37min mark, thank you.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching!

@NDhunter78 Жыл бұрын

If you purchase a quick release mount and take it off and on the gun do you have to zero it each time? I'm looking at purchasing either the Bering Yoter-R 50mm or Adder TS50-640.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

The Adders include the American Defense QD mount that will absolutely return to zero, just like the Yoter will. Feel free to give us a call if you have more questions. We’d be happy to help and love to have your business.

@riverrat306 Жыл бұрын

Man I see the industry going to this type of scope more and more ….. I guess it’s great for most but definitely going to leave us left handed folks fumbling around in the dark. The best part about most thermals are the manufacturers put all the controls on top. Hope the traditional housings are still around in the next 5-10 year’s

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

No question that some scopes are better for lefties than others. Some tube based optics like the iRay Bolt have the controls on top so they work fine for left handed shooters. I don’t think we’ll ever see a day that all traditional “block” style thermals will go away. AGM offers 4 of those style units with top controls from $1,995 to $3,995.

@MrBiggdawg800 Жыл бұрын

What is the recoil rating for the ADDER models? the ts50 640 in particular, thanks

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

All AGM’s are rated for 308 max

@taylorgregory1414 Жыл бұрын

So would you recommend the 35mm or the 50mm is it worth the difference in money and do I need to worry about scope clearance? Shooting between 50 yards and 250 yards.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Taylor, it all depends on your hunting conditions and shooting ranges. Clearance is a non-issue with the included American Defense QD mount. Give us a call and we’ll be glad to help and offer our advice on which model would work best for you. We’d love to have your business. 877-350-1818

@CountryboyBOB Жыл бұрын

Looks great except what happens when the rechargeable battery goes bad? Thanks

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

AGM will replace the battery under warranty and for a small fee after the 3 year warranty has expired.

@CountryboyBOB Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@frankschneider5566 Жыл бұрын

Jason you were 100% right about the sensitivity of that control knob. That center touch pad should never be out flush with the outer edge. This cost me a 2nd dog last night because when it came in i missed 3 times on it before i realized i touched it and it changed reticles on me therefore was still on x=0 y=0. Thats a bad design. That center pad should be recessed enough to have some clearance. Very disapointed so far with this. And on high humidity nights its fuzzy as heck. I didnt expect that one either.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Frank, the fix for this is to change the x and y coordinates on each reticle to the exact same. This is just in case you accidentally change the reticle.

@frankschneider5566 Жыл бұрын

Yep. But the real issue is that knob and i will fix it without any damage to it. Should not be able to change that setting so easy without consciously doing it. But i will still set the x y's. Got my first dog with it. Shoulda been a 2 dog night but we'll get there.

@oictaylor Жыл бұрын

Love it but just dont know about those internal batteries

@suburbanprepper Жыл бұрын

Not a bad price for the 640s

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Not at all!

@melvis62 Жыл бұрын

Did I see on AGM’s website that there is an optional laser range finder? If so, what would the price be for it?

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

No sir there is no LRF for the Adders. We’ve heard no mention of one in the future either. Not saying it’s impossible but I don’t expect it. They do have the Varmint LRF if you’re need the range finding ability.

@stumper1300 Жыл бұрын

Anyone 3d printed a taller cap to utilize an 18650 battery instead of the cr123?

@brooksjeansonne8344 Жыл бұрын

When will yall have the vids on the Adder 50mm 640?

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

It will be a month or two but we hope to review it this fall. If you’re interested in one feel free to give us a call and we might have some video we could show you. If you’ve seen video of the Varmint 640’s or the Rattlers after their most recent update, it’s exactly the same image quality. Feel free to holler at us 877-350-1818

@jonathancoley8112 Жыл бұрын

How does the image quality compare to the IRay Bolt 35?

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Similar but the Bolt is going to be little better. Each have their pros and cons and the Bolts go back to $3000-$3300 according to iRay when they get more in stock.

@michaelsmock8351 Жыл бұрын

How does the image quality compared to the flir pts 536.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

I think if put by side by side, the Adder TS50 would have a better image quality than the PTS 536. The fact that the 536 hit the market over 4 years ago and was only a 320x240 sensor, just puts it behind the current thermal technology. It was a great scope at the time but I believe the Adder TS50 will be an upgrade in more ways than one. Thanks for watching

@jamesbernard9998 Жыл бұрын

When the built-in battery goes bad what does it cost to have them replaced is the question after the warranties run out

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

There is no know battery life for how long they will last but this style of scope has been around for 4 years now we’ve seen no more than a handful of units with a bad battery and none of them were from over use, just the battery being defective early on and it was replaced by the manufacturer under warranty. AGM (along with the other manufacturers if this style of optic) all say they will offer a battery replacement service at a reasonable cost for scopes out of warranty. AGM will be better able to answer any direct questions of cost etc but we don’t expect it to be expensive. If this type of battery is too much of a concern AGM has both the Rattler and the Varmint scopes with fully removable batteries.

@theNfl_Esq Жыл бұрын

How’s it compare to the XQ38/XQ50?

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching The Late Night Vision Show. Jason or Hans will be best able to answer that question and if you’ll give them a call at Outdoor Legacy, they’ll be glad to explain how the Adders compare to other optics on the market. (877)350-1818 Thanks!

@cody536 Жыл бұрын

What’s the difference between this and a more traditional unit like the rattler?

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

The Adder has a little better image quality being a 12 micron sensor vs the 17 micron in the Rattler, the Adder has a VERY long internal battery life, it performs much better on a bolt action rifle and it has a much higher base magnification. There are other differences but that’s the basics. The Rattlers are still the right choice for many people but the Adders bring a lot of improvements for people needing a higher base magnification for their hunting style.

@kyledickerson80 Жыл бұрын

@@TheLateNightVisionShow It has a smaller sensor with a higher pixel density. This doesn’t necessarily mean better image quality. It only means higher magnification if the objectives remain the same. In fact, the lower density one will have greater sensitivity as it can capture more photons and the higher density one will have greater noise because it has to amplify the signal due to it capturing less photons.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Put side by side in the field, the Adder TS35-384 and TS50-384 have a noticeably better image quality, crisper and clearer and a further ID range than the Rattler TS25-384 and TS35-384.

@kyledickerson80 Жыл бұрын

@@TheLateNightVisionShow I’m sure, but only because it has a higher magnification, not because the sensor is any better.

@frankschneider5566 Жыл бұрын

Help me out here. We sighted my buddies Adder TS50 in today. X=250.00 & Y=1.00 The crosshairs are 3/4 to the right side of the screen. Looks utterly ridiculous. I bought the same scope but havent sighted mine in yet but my scope shows this same thing using his X/Y's. This cant possibly be normal. Any ideas?

@frankschneider5566 Жыл бұрын

Well Jason called me back which is amazing due to his shot show schedule. I appreciate him & his Team a great deal. They are there for their customers. Jason says these thermals do not center the reticle up on the screen so it looks like i need to modify a low picatinny riser to adjust his scope over to get a more reasonable X number. Under 75 would be acceptable and not show off center so much. No biggie.

@frankschneider5566 Жыл бұрын

I will no doubt be buying from Outdoor Legacy on any future purchases. Assuming i eventually rebound from this one. Lol.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the call Frank.. Let us know if we can help you in the future

@boogerwelder Жыл бұрын

Is the image quality the same or better than the Rattler?

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching we addressed this in detail starting around the 23:00 mark

@boogerwelder Жыл бұрын

@@TheLateNightVisionShow yep, I saw that shortly after I asked. Thanks

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Great! Thanks

@alexaronow9316 Жыл бұрын

Hey guys quick question, anyone in the comments feel free to give your opinion. If you could get an infiray bolt tl-35 for the same price as the adder ts35-384 ($2500), which one would you honestly choose?

@coyotehunter3052 Жыл бұрын

Where can you get a Bolt for $2500? I’m interested! Let me know please

@alexaronow9316 Жыл бұрын

@@coyotehunter3052 a friend of mine is a rep for infiray

@oldscooterguy1 Жыл бұрын

A couple weeks ago it was foggy and raining. Up asked agm if the adder processing was same as their monocular sensor and electronics and they enthusiastically responded yes. Well with my agm monocular I couldn't see 50 yards, .looked through my iray bolt and easily identified a racoon at 300 yards. So the adder has extra bells and whistles but in inclement weather I'll take Iray all day every day!

@coyotehunter3052 Жыл бұрын

@@alexaronow9316 Gotcha. Well if you’re friend is in the business wouldn’t he be able to answer your question? Surely if he’s a rep he’s used all these scopes right? Also surely he’ll take you out and let you test them? good luck with whatever you decide to get 👍🏼

@alexaronow9316 Жыл бұрын

@@oldscooterguy1 good to know thank you man. I've got an agm taipan tm19-384 and so far it seems good but I haven't tested it in any inclement weather.

@st5637 Жыл бұрын

Adder is the name of the Viper in UK, the only poisonous snake there.

@doncowboy6625 Жыл бұрын

Are you referring to The Black Adder?

@brettstraub8161 Жыл бұрын

Just bought one, I charge to green the night before, next morning went to the range and internals were dead. Not real happy.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Hey Brett if you bought it from Outdoor Legacy give us a call first thing Monday morning and we’ll be glad to help you get it sorted out. If you bought it somewhere else call your dealer and I’m sure he’ll be glad to help you get it sorted out and figure out if there’s a defect or just something you might be accidentally doing wrong.

@brettstraub8161 Жыл бұрын

First off love the episodes and the info and I appreciate the quick response. My nephew suggested maybe I was going to standby instead of powering off, I think he is correct, testing that out after recharging. Man these scopes have more options than my truck. Thanks

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

That’s possible. Hope that’s all it is. Good luck

@frankiecrouch3918 Жыл бұрын

Doesn't Pulsar and ATN both offer above 2x magnification and ATN battery life is 16+ hour battery life for under 3 grand.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Pulsar doesn’t offer 3x under $3,800 and we do not recommend anyone buy ATN under any circumstances due to poor build quality, poor customer service and other business practices that are less than ideal. We have an entire show dedicated to the topic a few years ago and things have only gotten worse since then. That’s purely our opinions based on our personal experience as a former dealer.

@ozarkmartin1174 6 ай бұрын

Can you stream video live to a smart device?

@TheLateNightVisionShow 6 ай бұрын

Yes you can. A smart phone or tablet can download the app and it can stream directly to it.

@btaoutdoors Жыл бұрын

Can’t you just manually hit record and stop when you want

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

That’s what we highly recommend. It’s by far the most reliable and efficient way to record.

@mortarmantv Жыл бұрын

I just can’t stand the tubular shaped thermals.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

We personally feel the 30mm tube offers easier controls for the user, usually better battery life and a much larger range of rifle mounting options. However, the good news is AGM has 6 units that are the traditional thermal design and 4 in the 30mm tubes. Something for everyone. 😎

@mortarmantv Жыл бұрын

@@TheLateNightVisionShow I’m familiar with all of their models. I’m still undecided on which one is best for me. I’ve already got a 2 pound night vision scope Im already sick of. When I go to thermal it will be compact and lightweight. The adder is 16” long and 2lbs in weight. That’s a tank! I love it’s features though. I’ll call you guys soon so we can discuss options. I’m probably in the 2500-3k price range. Thanks for your reply.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Yes sir I totally understand the desire to go small and light. I fully agree that these tube based scopes aren’t small or light.lol holler at us when you’re ready to sort it out we’re glad to help!