Ep. 39 What About Snare Beds?

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How much do you know about snare beds? What kind snare beds does your drum(s) have? Have you experimented with different snare wires to accommodate your snare beds? These are all important considerations that are often overlooked yet can lead to your drum sounding like a dream drum.
Consider this week’s episode the intellectual/philosophical side of snare beds (who knew we could get so deep?!?) and keep an eye out for a more comparative “part 2” to this video in the future.
As a side note- yes, the Tama drum does have a snare bed, albeit and VERY subtle depth and quite wide design.
This episode features four drums:
2:00 - 1970’s Ludwig LM400 Supraphonic
4:53 - 1990’s Pearl Master Maple Custom Extra
7:00 - 1960’s Gretsch 4105 Round Badge
10:18 - 2010’s Tama Starclassic Birch/Bubinga
Hosted by: Cody Rahn
Production: Ben O'Brien Smith @ Cadence Independent Media
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@bannanapancake 3 жыл бұрын

I’m going to leave my pride at the door for a minute, I’m a pretty good drummer, reconfigured drums shells/ hardware seems like all of it throughout my playing..but I’m going to say it, I never even knew about this..nope. I guess I’m not as cool as I thought I was. I mean, I’m here after making a hybrid tom/snare... why does it sound so bad?? Now I know, grateful for people who are smarter than me, thanks for the upload!

@Skunkiedrums 3 жыл бұрын

Stay humble buddy.

@patrickfarley8036 5 жыл бұрын

Wow, I never realized before watching this that the snares and snare beds are alot like the strings, nut and saddle of a guitar! You struck a note with me when you said "break angle" and that is exactly the term luthiers use for the point where the ball end of the string leaves the saddle and connects to the guitar and at the head end of the guitar, the point where the string leaves the nut and goes to the machine head! Both of these angles on a guitar are critical for proper string tension on any given guitar, and of course the amount of tension is directly related to the tone and potential volume of the guitar! I never saw the similarity between these two instruments before watching this video! It never ceases to amaze me how physics dictates everything we do. Even if we never heard the word "physics" before, let alone knowingly and intentionally applying it! Very enlightening... I'm glad I stopped by! Thanks!😉

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

Exactly! I used to fix guitars as a side job and noticed exactly that similarity. The physics translate completely and can really change the behavior of a drum. So interesting :) -Cody

@substrate001 4 жыл бұрын

@@SoundsLikeADrum This is a subject so few people even know about, much less understand!! I just found your channel, but been drumming almost 4 decades. Started "tuning up" my band's guitars & basses because we had little (very little) $$$ and I was a mechanical engineering student that started turning wrenches at 6 years old. Started making money along the way & *_really_* got deep into luthierie. It became & remains a 'side-businesss' to this day. I really enjoy your common sense, logical approach to your videos. Well done!!! 🥁

@josecrespo7163 2 жыл бұрын

This video is VERY help. I started building snare drums a couple months ago and could not get the buzzing to stop. I never knew about snare beds. Thank you for make this video

@jackmills5071 4 жыл бұрын

In a time of limited funds, I made a snare drum, all I had was a 13 inch coated batter. I found a thick clay pot, and it was the perfect size. I cut an inward 45° bearing edge, and removed the bottom of the pot. I had no reso head, so it was open bottom. I cut some hoops and had some threaded rods off of a small engine, I used the lip around the top of the pot to hold one hoop, and tensioned the hoop on the head to that, so no need to make lugs. For the snare effect I took some thin stainless steel, and cut thin strands into one side of a 6 inch rectangle( almost like a wire brush but thicker strands), I fixed the plate to the inside of the pot, bent against the bottom of the batter head, using the the bending tension of the steel itself. It really shocked me how good it sounded, the dense rigid ceramic of the pot made a great shell, especially tuned up high. It sounded a lot like a well muffled snare with looser wires, almost a "wet" sound, the overtone were pretty controlled by the "wires" pressing against the bottom of the batter. It was good enough for practice for sure, at a time when I was just getting back into drumming.

@substrate001 4 жыл бұрын

This is a subject so few people even know about, much less understand!! I just found your channel, but been drumming almost 4 decades. Started "tuning up" my band's guitars & basses because we had little (very little) $$$ and I was a mechanical engineering student that started turning wrenches at 6 years old. Started making money along the way & *_really_* got deep into luthierie. It became & remains a 'side-businesss' to this day. I really enjoy your common sense, logical approach to your videos. Well done!!! 🥁

@user-of3xw3zd7w 4 ай бұрын

Great to find such a thoughtful drum guy. Thanks for your experience.

@jonneville2287 2 жыл бұрын

The Rogers Dynasonics had very shallow beds, something like 4 thousandths of an inch, but the design included a snare rail or bridge that allowed the snares to be tensioned separately to the strainer, so conventional snare beds weren't required. The deepest beds I've seen was on an old Gretsch parade (military) drum, and measured almost half an inch. My 14x5 COB Dynasonic is a bit fiddly to set up, but sounds great once you do - clean, articulate, and with a certain character that many other snare drums don't seem to have.

@korolev-musictodriveby6583 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you SLAD , you are saving beginner and less experienced drummers literally years of time lost at sound check or in the recording studio . I’ve made EVERY mistake in ‘ the book ‘ and even invented a few , so roll on pt.2 and thanks again ! Be well

@DansRailroad2011 5 жыл бұрын

You guys are becoming one of my favorite drum related channels on KZfaq. Keep up the great work!

@sidmarks265 5 жыл бұрын

Wonderful. Part 2 should be just as tastey. Thanks for everything that you contribute to drumming.

@cjansenATL 5 жыл бұрын

This is really enlightening. I've been playing for a long time and never gave snare beds much thought other than noting how severe some vintage cuts can be. Thanks!

@paulkennedy4920 5 жыл бұрын

I love this channel and I can't wait for pt. 2!

@Eurodrummer666 5 жыл бұрын

I always end up giving a thumb up after a few seconds.

@DirtyJobsGuy1 5 жыл бұрын

Wow, such great info! 40 years of playing and I never really got into the ins and outs of the different snare beds!

@RossittoS 5 жыл бұрын

That's something I wanted to know since I started playing drums. Finally someone brought the explanation!! Thank you so much! Best drum channel on KZfaq for sure!! Greetings from Brazil. =D

@Customwinder1 5 жыл бұрын

Good to hear about different sized snare beds. And why the drums were made that way. I've got a snare drum with next to no beds and it came with 16 strand wires. Like you said in the vid the wires raised up in the middle. I bent the end of the wires upon each end to see if that would help. It fixed the problem and now sounds great ! Great vid 👍

@carlupthegrove262 5 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to part 2..... thanks for the information... very helpful.

@sega.milkis 5 жыл бұрын

The most pleasing situation occurred to me when I was replacing the snare side head for the first time, tightened all the lugs on the hoop, evened them out and when I was ready to install the wires - the holes in the hoop were misaligned with the snare beds. Yay!)

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

Oh yes, we've all been there before. -Ben

@arthurazoubel5344 5 жыл бұрын

A good friend of mine is a drum builder and we've been doing some stuff together. I've already got three snares built from him and with two of them we decided to make a few experiments, like recutting the snare beds. Boy I must say snare beds have a HUGE impact on the overall sound of the drum. You wouldn't imagine, because when you A/B snare beds from different snares, you're consequently A/B ing shell materials, bearing edges, drum hoops, drum depths, so they will sound differently because of all those aspects, not only the snare beds. What we've noticed so far is that deeper and narrow ones tend to have a crispier sound to it, a more instantaneous response and a brighter tone when a shallower and broadened one is the other way around. Just to simplify, of course

@schinbeindrumco 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah man! I did a video where I A/B'ed the same shell with different depths; just happened to be doing a tom-snare conversion that week. Interesting little rabbit hole to fall into.

@laurdessvalentino5849 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to post this! I bought a dunnett DEEP snare bed and ive ruined 2 brand new heads cranking the side lugs to remove the wrinkles.

@Shylastahl1 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thanks for such an in depth explanation.

@bobdadruma 4 жыл бұрын

I took the cheap snare drum that came with my Sonor Safari kit and I cut beds in it like the ones that are in the 6 lug Gretsch snare drum in the video. It made the drum sound awesome! I never thought that I would play it but I love it. I generally prefer string to hold my snare wires.

@lonkirschner7448 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. I recently picked up a 1958 WFL Pioneer and it has a fairly narrow but deep snare bed. I was fighting with the wrinkles in the snare side head. Now I understand what is going on.

@DoppelgangerShockwave 5 жыл бұрын

I look forward to the next video. This was great as usual. :)

@Claes_Isacson 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to the wire video.

@Rockin_Ross 5 жыл бұрын

I have an inexpensive, mahogany shelled Gretsch with no snare beds at all. Not subtle, not slight...none. Thanks to your great video, I’m now planning how to cut them. The drum is actually really great sounding (after a complete overhaul) and the new beds will be the cherry on top. Thanks for this great showcase of why they’re important.

@customdrums 5 жыл бұрын

Best drum tech channel for sure.

@elijahfaith7480 5 жыл бұрын

Wow! Yall are great teachers..i love this channel!!!🤗👍👍🇨🇱🇨🇱

@fabio.n4458 5 жыл бұрын

I own that tama starclassic drum and have many problems with tuning it. I tried many different heads but never found a sweet spot except for when I tuned it very high, which wasnt the sound I was looking for. now I have an acrolite and it is insane how easy it is to get it where you want it.

@fabiocacchioli9074 5 жыл бұрын

The straps and strings thing you are so right. I get that with my snare drums. Some are better with straps others with strings.

@NoslenLRac 5 жыл бұрын

Glad to know it isn’t necessarily me struggling with my Tama Starclassic Performer B/B. Started experimenting with different snares, never thought to try string. Will keep experimenting with that one, maybe even have beds cut out. The Ludwig Super Sensitive, Premier 2000, and marching snares all come to mind with no snare beds. Of course, those snares extend over the edges. Thanks for covering this topic! Looking forward to part 2!

@davidsuprenant893 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you,great video, love your channel.

@DanyMeyer 4 жыл бұрын

Great video and explanation about snare beds! :)

@predatorpercussion6775 5 жыл бұрын

This is just dead on with what I believe with beds. I rarely get asked from customers about snare beds. Predator has a standard shallow but wide bed like the superphonic in this video. Allows the customer to put bigger wires on if they choose. I like when customers ask questions about the build. Because the more questions asked either by myself or the customers can result in a better custom build they are looking to have. I’m looking forward to part 2 of this discussion.

@BahasaDrum 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Never fail to amaze me 👌🏾

@mihaidrums5 5 жыл бұрын

Very informative video, really like your youtube channel! Thanks!

@GalenIRL 3 жыл бұрын

I've been playing for about 20 years and i never knew about this. Im changing snare heads for the first time on a steel snare always played wood before. I thought since im a hard hitter the snare had warped and i was ready to roll out the bearing edge to the same angle as the rest but i did a bit of resarch and was blown away i didnt know about this. Makes alot of sense tho. Great video!

@jimflys2 4 жыл бұрын

Use a heat gun to get the wrinkles out adjacent to the snare wires. It will conform nicely. Then tension as desired. 33 year brass and percussion tech here. It works, but not often needed.

@jamesstanley7919 3 жыл бұрын

Cool vid. I learned a lot. Thanks

@charliemay5758 2 жыл бұрын

Great post. You explain things so clearly. Many thanks. Keep up the great work. :-)

@brianchisnell1548 5 жыл бұрын

This series is Excellent! You are very knowledgeable for such a young drummer. Lol 'took up the instrument in 1969 at age 11. There was nothing like this for us back then except for our Drum teachers, The Ludwig Drummer and Rogers fact sheets. I subscribed to your channel, and enjoying it!

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! -Ben

@arnylanda 5 жыл бұрын

Great video and very very helpful to me!! I have a Sonor (Birch) with a snare bed like the Pearl in your video, and yes, you're right I 'never get those wrinkles out'. It comes with three types of snare wires (all with eight wires), steel, bronze and brass, each one with a different distribution. It's incredible the sound that each snare wires give to the snare drum, although all are of 8 threads!! I want to try with a standars 18 snare wires (...good idea?). Another characteristic of the snare drum are its bearing edges: the batter side comes with a vintage rounded bearing edge, while the snare side comes with a 45 degree bearing edge.There are so many variables to try different settings, but I usually get lost in the process of deciding what tension to use on each side, the relationship (of tension) between both sides, when to go forward, when to stop, when to return, what do you recommend? A 'part 2' would be fine. It would be a good idea to compare the result of trying the same settings in each of those drums (tunning, drumheads, tension of the snare wires). Good job!!

@georgemickel6608 5 жыл бұрын

After you said 'sounds great'.. that would be the snare I'd love to have.. I trust you 100% Got hip to Gretsch and can't go back. Great vid!

@samhain183 5 жыл бұрын

I didn’t know snare beds were a thing until I was checking a used set for warping and I noticed the massive indent on the reso snare side and I freaked out. A search for that “issue” brought me here. Subbed.

@TheRyanBattle 3 жыл бұрын

Such a good video 👍🏼

@danielbeach920 5 жыл бұрын

Great video as always, have yet to master snare tuning so very helpful info. An interesting supplement to this would be to look at the design and tuning of drums with strainers that tension the snares independently of pressure on the head (mastercraft, dynasonic or super-sensitive type). Do these snares need snare beds at all? Do any of them have them? Keep up the great work

@langzhaomusic 3 жыл бұрын

Such a great video!! Also for the Tama snares, I was wondering the same and researched about them. they actually have very very subtle beds cut there. It’s more of a subtle fade from both lugs 90 degree away from the wire strainers.I think they call that 120 degree snare bed or something. 😂

@jeffsadowski7759 2 жыл бұрын

All of your content is great, but this was Awesome...Thank you very much:)

@bobbylopez77 5 жыл бұрын

Great video with wonderful insight! 9:30 - what we do in the orchestral world is take a heat gun to the resonant head to make sure the resonant head forms correctly over the beds (since orchestral drums have narrow, deep beds, because we primarily use wrap-around cable snares). You just have to be careful to not spend too much time over the same spot or you will burn through the head. I believe Black Swamp percussion has a great instructional video. Cheers again for a great vid!

@Michael127gerard 4 жыл бұрын

Bobby, On orchestral drums do you usually tighten the rods closest to be beds a little more ? and if so by much ? thanks, Michael

@xguillotinax 3 жыл бұрын

This is absolutely usefull! Thanks!

@alewis6451 2 жыл бұрын

Good subject, never thought about snare beds until purchasing an old Ludwig marching drum shell. Installing Hardware and heads there was no response from the wires. I saw a cool video where this dude used a heat gun to shrink the mylar head to take the wrinkles out of the bed cut out. I need a different type of wires and I will try this carefully.

@thechannel2241 5 жыл бұрын

I’ve been playing drums for 14 years... I had no idea snare drums had beds. Wow! Thank you for the amazing content!

@m.vonhollen6673 Жыл бұрын

I knew but admire the candour!

@rharris1336 10 ай бұрын

63 years old and playing since I was 6. I never knew until I watched some of your videos that there was a “snare bed”. This might be due to playing very cheap drums when I was a kid and then finally purchasing a Rogers DynaSonic back in the 70s. I don’t think the older dynasonics had a distinct bed because of the snare cradle. The snare cradle seems to hold the snares parallel to the head. It could also be that I was that oblivious lol. In the last ten years I have done DW’s version of the dynasonic snare and noticed a slight bed in their nickel over brass drum. I seemed to have good success with just barely taking the wrinkles out on the low points and then working the outer lugs to the pitch I wanted while using a split 16 (8 / 8) strand snare. Thank you for all the very informative and well presented videos.

@SafeNebula11644 5 жыл бұрын

I never knew exactly what snare beds were for. I just thought it was there just becuase. This was very helpful.

@betulaobscura 5 жыл бұрын

Good job!

@sterlingpratt4901 2 жыл бұрын

I'm just discovering this channel in 2022 and I'm THRILLED. I really love the long form info dump format, being kind of a beginner and really wanting to absorb as much information as possible. 🖤

@SoundsLikeADrum 2 жыл бұрын

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@franktatom1837 5 жыл бұрын

Good video and information. I recently inadvertently acquired a pre-serial Ludwig Super 400 COB (I bought a lot of snares at an auction and it was discovered among them), which has crimped snare beds that are much deeper and more narrow than later Ludwig snares. The snare came with 12-strand orchestral (heavy) Ludwig snares. I did not find that the snare head wrinkled at the beds if I put enough tension on the bottom head. But the snare sounds much more dry than the Ludwig snares I own which have the later bed design that is used on the seamless shells. I like the dry sound the Super produces with 12 strand snares. I also acquired two Pioneers, and the beds for both were made by simply flattening the edge at the point where the snares rested. Expedient and functional.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like quite the find! Congrats on the new drums. -Ben

@raitoxote 3 жыл бұрын

First of all, thank you very much for these videos, as they have helped me inmensely when fine tuning my drums (I own a Yamaha Oak Custom 12 13 16 set and a Yamaha Dave Weckl Signature) I own the Dave Weckl wooden snare drum you referred to (the one with double snares) and I think it naturally puts more tension onto the outer lugs than in the center. i bought some new heads for the first time a month ago and I've been struggling because of this. I'll explain, because maybe someone is interested: I've been very careful with tuning the reso head first and leveling it properly. From the moment you start to get a tone out of the head, the lugs on the snare strainer side and its opposite will get a lower pitch than the rest of the lugs. I spent couple of hours trying to correct this, because I thought it was a mistake, but it can't be (I hope so, the snare is way too expensive for that). What I think happens is that they've come up with a system puts more tension on these two rods so that the other ones are tighter, so that the snare wires have less buzz problems. Like Cody says, trying to crank the lugs to get an equal tone out of the bottom head will only cause damage to the head and possibly to the wood. If anyone knows more about this, please share your experience.

@doublea7054 3 жыл бұрын

Yup... As a drum builder this all rang true.

@mr.145 5 жыл бұрын

Never been able to use puresound wires myself,but canopus dry vintage,make any snare drum 100% better for me.

@BCSchmerker 5 жыл бұрын

+soundslikeadrum *Thanks for briefing the masses.* Being very much into the "guts" sound, I cut some pretty heavy beds into the bottom edge of my TAMA®/Hoshino® IMS145 so that the six turns of monofilament would lay on the resultant curve; Ludwig & Ludwig and their competition did the same thing in the 1920's, as the strainers of the era were built for individual cables, guts, &c., rather than today's brazed assemblies.

@dalestokes2789 4 жыл бұрын

lol I have the Pearl Masters, and just last night I was trying to figure out how to tune around the snare bed .

@BryceChristopherHodge 5 жыл бұрын

Another winner! Love you guys! Do you have a video comparing wide snare wires (like 42 strand) versus narrow 14's? I can't remember.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Snare wire comparisons coming in the future.

@artiedeianni3642 5 жыл бұрын

According to some FB ads I have seen that is a 1075 dollar lamp stand in the background. Nice video, very informative.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

😂

@m.vonhollen6673 Жыл бұрын

Both as an amateur drummer, and as a student, I am a fan of this channel.

@m.vonhollen6673 Жыл бұрын

And as a retired French and Music teacher. Excellent!

@simaojoseph 5 жыл бұрын

"2 things; have you tried to see if the bearing edge of the Tama is completely flat? Because I have a Tama snare (other model) and it looks like the whole bottom edge is "bent" starting halfway to each side. On mine you can rock the shell from side to side. As a regular procedure I just loosen the rods right next to the where the snare wires pass until the head makes the wrinkle. that way the metal plate that holds the actual wires sinks into the head. Another thing what about parallel mechanics like on the Slingerland TDR? Great content; keep up. Cheers

@VladShpiro 5 жыл бұрын

A Tama Starclassic, yay! 10:57 When I got my Starphonic Aluminum (loving it) I noticed these gaps and I thought it was flawed, only when I brought it to a repair man who specializes in drums I found out that these are actually the snare beds. Boy that was a revelation :) You live and you learn

@KooK3 5 жыл бұрын

I bought a Tama B/B to match my Starclassic kit, and have fought with it since. Now that you have explained that this drum has such a subtle snare bed, it all makes sense now. I have it set and sounding ok, not great, but ok. I think I may look into a different snare to have a but more finesse and articulation as well as control

@johncall7532 4 жыл бұрын

I had one of those and used string to tension the snare wire. I noticed it sounded better when the string was between the snare frame and bottom head on it's way to the butt plate and throw-off. Hope that makes sense and helps.

@eliasgahnstrom5052 5 жыл бұрын

About the flat/almost flat snare bed pulling the wires like you described around 12min, would something like the Puresound Custom Pro’s work with that? Cause they do kind of the opposite I think, thinking of the clips on those wires that are bent to get “feet” so they lift from the head to help the middle of the wires press down on the head.

@BlackArtBMX 5 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@c.r.stafford4006 2 жыл бұрын

Just got a 1978-79 Acrolite for my son. Should the snare-side hoop wobble or show light under it when laid on a flat surface (like the bottom of the shell does) due to the snare beds? Thanks for your advice. (Our snare-side hoop does not. ... Oddly enough, the batter side hoop wobbles. Perhaps it is warped or bent.)

@artpereira 5 жыл бұрын

I've been playing for 18 years. Had a total of 4 snares in my life and I never knew about snare beds till this video. I'm an idiot. Explains a lot of stuff I've noticed in the time. How did I miss snare beds?! I must be slipping in my old age!

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

Never too late to start exploring your drums and learn something new. Cheers! -Ben

@Grayham4 4 жыл бұрын

I'm just wondering how you didn't notice when tuning up the reso head haha. I thought it was dented

@ILikeWafflz 5 жыл бұрын

Now that you mention the difference in strap and string, I want to get some string and try it on my snare drum. The snares I got came with straps, and my snare sound is a little "fuzzy" (not in a good way), the only way I can think to put it.

@ILikeWafflz 5 жыл бұрын

Adjustments of tension, between various patterns on the bottom lugs (slightly tightening/loosening lugs both adjacent and perpendicular to snare beds) and snare wire tension itself, has helped a little, but there's still fairly poor response to softer playing. I have new puresound 20-strand wires on a 14" x (I think) 6.5" maple snare that came with the Mapex Pro-M drum set I bought new 9 years ago, along with a new remo coated ambassador batter head. Resonant head (hazy ambassador) is roughtly 5-6 years old.

@DoronLaor 2 жыл бұрын

hello, i have a steel snare, 3.5mm deep beds. is this considered average or very deep? should i tight all of the lugs on the snare side equally? or tighten more where the wires are? thanks

@michaelmasuda7096 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info as always! I do have a question though--I have a Rogers Dynasonic and a Ludwig Supraphonic. I just recently learned elsewhere how to get the Dyna snare rails to "kiss" the snare head properly--and it is a glorious sound. The Dyna has hardly any snare bed at all. The Supra has that shallow/wide snare bed, but I'm curious if it is flat enough to allow the Rogers snare rail to work with it. I've only heard anecdotes from some who claim it works, but I'd like to hear (and possibly see) your input on this. I *could* just try it out on my own but it took me a long time to get the Rogers snare rail "just right" on the Dyna. Is the Supra snare bed too convex for a Dyna snare rail conversion, or will it make the Supra sound even more articulate (which I guess goes against its characteristics you mentioned here). It would be cool to say at a gig that I play a "Supraphonic-Dynasonic" snare drum--the phrase sounds like a Mary Poppins old-timey era elixir name, heh. Thanks in advance for your advice.

@erockscott1184 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 7x12 Pearl Dennis Chanbers...soprano snare with beds on it...never figured out how to tune the bottom head with those divits lol...I call them divits. Its really unnecessary on a 12" drum i think...and I'm still not sure how to tune it. Do you tighten the head all the way till the hoope bends with the bend or do you leave the bed area loose??...hmm

@StuartJrBarrett 4 жыл бұрын

Hey! I have a Pork Pie drum that has a rather shallow snare bed. What’s your thoughts on this? And what are shallower snare beds good for??

@rhythmista7707 4 жыл бұрын

After removing the wrap and restoring a vintage 10 lug Pearl Bollero wood snare drum, I noticed that the snare beds are barely visible, but are still there. Does this mean the contact with the snare wires to the head will give me tuning or overtone problems ? Thanks in advance for any advice 👍

@EricBaileyDrums 5 жыл бұрын

You guys should put out a PSA (if you have not already) to be wary of using the Puresound blue snare cables, or any other metal snare cables, because they can and will cut into your bearing edges at high tensions. Many drummers don't even know those blue cables are made of aluminum.

@JeffBertolotti 8 ай бұрын

I have an old Gretsch Jasper 10x14 snare drum that I just can't get the snare wire to slay flush on the head. So the wires are rattling all over the place. Any thoughts?

@josephmcdermott6426 2 жыл бұрын

Do you find you have to tighten the snare side head slightly more on deeper cut more dramatic edges?

@mikestix78 5 жыл бұрын

Love the videos! You touch upon tuning narrow and deep beds in this vid, so I wanted to further inquire about them. I have a joyful noise brass that has deep crimped narrow beds. The owner of that company explains that in order to get the most out of these beds you have to crank down the adjacent bed lugs about 1.5-2x more than the other six lugs. Also, they say that it’s desirable to get an arc happening with the hoop, where the hoop dips down where the beds are. What is your take on this? In this vid, Cody talks about tuning the 6 lugs not adjacent to the beds tighter, but I’m wondering if you guys have ever tried joyful noise’ tuning method and which one worked better?

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

I see where they're coming from, and to a degree this issue exists with any super deep snare beds (Dunnett for instance which are wide and also suuper deep). It's very much a personal preference and all drums are different, but if I see much of a bow in the hoop like you're describing i'll want to flatten that out for the sake of even snare response across the head. I also don't worry a ton about a little bit of wrinkle in the head on drums with this kind of snare bed (which I think is the thing that extra tension at those lugs is supposed to remove). At the end of the day, either we dig the sound or we don't and whatever it takes to get it is ok with me :) -Cody

@LTDLimiTeD1995 4 жыл бұрын

I've heard stock PDP Concept Maple Kit snares have very shallow beds. I'll find out when mine arrives, but I plan on sanding some in if it's too minimal.

@SoundsLikeADrum 4 жыл бұрын

Shallow beds are ok too! Definitely experiment with a few sorts of wires If you’re not stoked with the sound out of the box and be suuuuuper careful if you do anything to the edges or beds 👍🏻 -Cody

@richardhingle3634 Жыл бұрын

Don't know if you'll see this but I despised my PDP Concept Maple snare. As a test, I put an Evans 300 reso and an Evans Reverse Dot batter with Puresound 24 brass strainer upgrading from the factory one. I had to tinker with the strainer patiently for a little while but wow! I wouldn't trade that drum for anything, especially with a medium low tuning...crisp, deep, with a perfect resonance! One Drumdot on the batter is the difference between a live presentation and a useable studio sound. I couldn't believe it at first, but this snare has great potential.

@evanenderle578 3 жыл бұрын

Have you tired any higher strand wires on a Keplinger? I just got one and was curious to get some 30’s or somethin

@EWDrums 2 жыл бұрын

What about a super-sensitive or snare drums with those apparatuses that hold the snare wires up against the head?

@robinhoodwasasocialist.1401 5 жыл бұрын

Very interesting stuff. If I were building a snare and wanted it to fundamentally have a nice crisp “pop” would the wire bed and wire quantity choice affect how much pop the drum is capable of?

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

Hey there! In a word, yes. The beds and wire choice are as big a factor as shell material, bearing edge etc. -Cody

@NoslenLRac 4 жыл бұрын

Coming back to this video after some time with a question: On the Tama StarClassic without the beds, what head and snare combination do you prefer?i haven’t found anything I like, and I’m considering having beds cut on it.

@dannyboi9552 4 жыл бұрын

NoslenLRac ive got a birch starclassic 14x5, i like remo controlled sound batter, evans g1 reso, and starclassic 20 strand wire

@camdendebruin6667 5 жыл бұрын

Can you guys make something about getting the modern metal sound? Even without the samples they add, It is deep and punchy one end but cracking on the other. Ex mike manginis beutiful snare sound

@mrcoatsworth429 2 жыл бұрын

Hi! I have the chance to get a vintage aluminum snare pretty cheap. However, the shell has a small piece cut out of it (I don't know why). It's maybe 2 cm wide. This means the reso head wouldn't touch the rim at that location. Would this ruin the tone? Sorry, I couldn't find any answers online.

@AlistairDow-mx6ds 9 ай бұрын

I’ve just got a Pearl maple piccolo, I notice the bottom hoop is closer to the top hoop at snare bevel, is that normal? Looks like it pulls up more due to the depth and length of bevel for the snare, but my inexperience doesn’t help

@MrsKarenColumbo 5 жыл бұрын

Ha! Finally!!

@roamershaker 5 жыл бұрын

i have a old Rodgers snare with a funky mechanism pulls from the side no string or strap ??

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

Yep, that's a classic and can be a bit of a struggle sometimes.

@Jeremy_Sims 5 ай бұрын

The question is, what is the required length of snare bed for you to choose the snare wire count you want? For example the snare bed has to be __ long for you to use 42 strand snare wires

@freecitizen2760 4 жыл бұрын

I have learned so much from these videos and so thanks for that. I have two Taye snares that don’t seem to have beds. 1: Why do they construct them like that? 2: Is the Rhythm Tech. RT-7000 Active Snare System still available, and if so do you recommend it? 3: Does any other company make a similar product that is still available? 4: Should I risk trying to cut my own beds (that scares me as I could ruin the drum)? 5: Any advice of any kind on what to do about the lack of snare beds? You did say to ask questions and I would greatly appreciate any help you could offer. Thanks!

@SoundsLikeADrum 4 жыл бұрын

Hey there! There are lots of snares out there that have little to no snare beds. I don’t have a good explanation for why they’d choose to not include them, I’ve seen this in both cheap and expensive drums. If you’re happy with the sound I’d say don’t worry about it. If you’re not loving them and want to put beds in you really need a professional to do it (trust me on this), it’s a pretty exacting process and there are a lot of variables involved. Regarding the active snare system I have no idea, never used them at all. I still work with run-of-the-mill 20 strand puresounds almost all of the time :) -Cody

@freecitizen2760 4 жыл бұрын

Sounds Like A Drum : Thank you for the helpful reply. I get a lot of good info from this channel, and I appreciate it.

@jefftegenkamp8939 5 жыл бұрын

How does the trick to loosen the lugs around the snare bed to reduce sympathetic buzz affect the snare overall? Do you have a tutorial on reducing sympathetic snare buzz? Probably the most annoying part of playing is trying to tune it out and at the same time try to get sound you want out all the other drums. Thanks for any suggestions

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

We do! Episode 11 is all about it. -Cody

@joaogaspar9155 3 жыл бұрын

Now it should be interesting to hear your thoughts about the infinite snare bed from Inde Drum Lab...

@SoundsLikeADrum 3 жыл бұрын

We talk about that a bit in their Snare Spotlight!

@joaogaspar9155 3 жыл бұрын

@@SoundsLikeADrum Just seen it. Incredible drums! I wish Josh could manage to reach the European market. Thanks guys

@ericessenberg3591 5 жыл бұрын

Grrrrrrr fussing endlessly .👍👍😉

@DustInTheWindAZ 5 жыл бұрын

Are you familiar with the Rogers Dynasonic Snare Rail system? Does this eliminate the break angle of the snares in the snare bed? Or eliminate the need for a snare bed? I have a Rogers Super 10 COS that I'm wondering if I can use the Dynasonic rail system and snare-side hoop (it has a cut-out to accommodate the rail).

@EricBaileyDrums 5 жыл бұрын

You're correct, the Dynasonic doesn't need beds because in theory, the snare system evenly presses the wires against the head. It doesn't create the bending effect a traditional strainer does which necessitates snare beds. I've never actually played one so I'm not sure how well it works but I know I've heard some great sounding ones!

@kevinsloan5570 5 жыл бұрын

@@EricBaileyDrums - The snares don't press against the head at all ! The frame makes it so that you want the snares to just kiss the head . The whole theory behind the frame rail was because after tuning the snare side head , when you pull the snares against the head you de-tune it . This is where the Dyna is different from all other snares , you can also loosen the snares on the rail and get a fatter sound or tighten them and get a tighter sound . Dynas are a very versatile snare , BUT it takes time to figure them out . I have 4 COB Dynas and I have made 5 wood Dynas from Rogers 14" concert toms , in 5" and 6.5" and the 6.5" are a beast ! LUV Em !

@user-vf1rj9dd4k 8 ай бұрын

So no snare bed you have a flat edge, easiest to set and tune the head, no issues with wrinkles and uneven pitch. Then there is Something like the infinite snarebed I heard about which is basically a 360⁰ snarebed. Which is supposed to eliminate these issues. So a very wide and shallow snarebed would be the closest to this and the more dramatic the snarebed is cut the more unnatural of a bearing edge you get?