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Happy cause models are cross-compatible, sad cause no itty bitty xenos titans.

As someone who plays Titanicus, I can't wait to see what kind of devastation a titan can bring to a target that isn't another titan or knight!

We don't always have similar takes, Jay, but I think your idea of Epic as the exclusive design-space of "things that wouldn't fit on a table in 40K" is spot-on. It really makes 'what they're delivering instead' seem safe and insipid, if less likely to lose GW buckets of money...

Unification Wars would have been the post-apocalyptic, wasteland-punk world war I'm still hoping for. there are insanely cool Artworks out there.

You either die an EPIC hero. Or you live long enough to become a Villain Imperialis.

Happy Monday folks

I'm really excited for this game because A) I wanted to get into Titanicus but with hordes of "guardsmen" B) I wanted to get into 30k but with being into 40k (and playing Grey Knights) I didn't just wanna play, like you said, another Space Marine game. So having Epic be HH fit the bill perfectly.

well, history is repeating itself, back in the 80's it started with Titans before going into 40K. The box had a bunch of building and space marines in Mark 6 armor and then they just added on different races and including Mark 7 marines so there is nothing stopping them from doing the same. I'm sure it won't take much to adapt the rules. I had a big Blood Angel and Eldar army which sadly I sold off years ago. I even had the Nurgle upgrades for the Titians. They looked great. Anyway, great Channel you've inspired me to start painting again, I just pulled out my 1974 Warhammer first edition Goblins. rug Longtooth will be taking to the battlefield again. To know who that is you need the supplement forces of fantasy.

I think Horus Heresy Epic is the only way I would play Horus Heresy. I already have some 40k armies. I don't want to build another one with different rules. If they make fliers good in this Epic scale, I am in. Fliers are almost too hard to do in 40k.

The fan community has been making 40k epic proxies for years.

I’d love for this to expand into 40k. Just keep creating boxsets, starting with a 40k box, since most of the factions did exist during HH

The Horus Heresy went from an epic story from the age of heroes to a tedious slog

The little marines are so adorable that I HAVE to get this. I hope you’ll get some to paint on the channel some day!

My main concern is because its Horus Heresy setting only a lot of people will pass on playing it and that may give GW the idea that people just arent as interest and so not pursue a 40k setting. I hope it does well cos I want to see it expand into 40k mainly

I'm going to give it a shot, though when depends on price, having just splashed out on Leviathan. Though I wonder if this box will be like the Age of Darkness one and stick around. They say there's no plans for epic 40k but I bet they'll be judging it on the success of this version, though even then, it'll probably still be 3-4 years away. Also important to note that they say Epic Scale on the side of the boxes which could be them leaving the door open

Get in on the Epic Armageddon community. You should do a video painting an army and playing. You could even do Orks vs Necrons.

Something small scale like this feels perfect for university students. Moving to and from university all the time i dont wanna slog around boxes upon boxes of minis and terrain. Something small like this however, a couple armies and some terrain could fit in a relatively small box, and could be so easily packed up, moved, and played anywhere. I wish there was more variety in the models so yeah maybe 40k wouldve been a better setting but im still very interested

I think with bringing back The Old World and pushing 30K, GW are trying to have the option for two time periods in each of their two main lines. The main time period where they have legends of the near mythical before time and the actual before times where you can see just how those legends really played out.

I loved the way that there were no bases on vehicles back when I was playing Space Marine…in 1989 or something like that. Maybe I played though to the 90s on and off. Thé scale lends itself to Ork and other canon fodder forces without remortgaging the house. The orders system for Space Marine (Epic 40k) was amazing as it puts you as the player in a commander role more than 40k. Going to look over the rules for this. Of course legions was chosen to stamp out the legions name for Star Wars Legion…maybe? “Wanna play legions this weekend? “

Looking forward to watching you paint a whole load of legions imperialis models…

Epic 4th edition (Armageddon) was released 2003 and is completely different to the previous editions.

GW, in my opinion, tries way to hard to make 30k a thing, while it isn't a thing. And in addition, they use resin, which many people hate. Some more love to the 40k & AoS old armies would be much nicer imho.

For the scale, and having had epic back in the day (plus dropzone now) they are fantastically painted! 😊

IMO its not Epic if you cant play other races. There is a great local community of Epic players I have been wanting to throw my hat in that ring...

Think you’re getting a bit mixed up with the years and there were multiple editions of “Epic”. Epic Armageddon was the final official version of Epic and was released in the 2000’s. The game released in 1988 was the original Adeptus Titanicus which was followed in 1989 by Space Marine. This is considered 1st edition. They then changed up the rules and made a 2nd edition of Space Marine in 1991 and added to it with Titan Legions in 1994. This was 2nd edition. They changed the rules again and released Epic 40K in 1997. That was 3rd edition. Then in the 2000’s released Epic Armageddon which is 4th edition.

This isn't Epic. This is Titanicus with troops, tanks and planes.

I agree. I am the right demo for this. I have been circling micro size games for sooo long, and I would love a reboot of epic Armageddon. I have no interest in heresy and I am baffled by the name. I was so close to jump the gun on warmaster, but now settled for Argatoria a polish babarian rank and flank 10mm game. I’m happy supporting a new game from a small company. If GW keeps going and people play it, I would be tempted to jump the gun

I could totally see tyranids in epic where termagaunts are just a blob of pink and purple on the base with most detail being on the sides

I'm, personally, very excited about this. I already play Adeptus Titanicus, and am looking forward to fighting a tiny battle of Tallarn.

I liked the ease of army creation of Space Marine; pick a point value, get your cards and start laying out company, support and special cards (each company allowed five support and one special cards). Only played a couple games of Epic 40K but didn't care for the army 'host' creation but blast markers (representing disruption) and the morale clock (a game timer) were good touches. One of my favorite games at a convention were my Eldar alongside Space Marines against Orks in a massive city fight; huge city blocks and not a lot of lines of sight. The Ork player used (cunningly to my surprise) his Gargants gut-buster cannon to knock down buildings to crate fire zones and open up the board. I ran down a flank with my Phantoms, got side and rear shots with pulsars and lascannons to easily strip power fields and put a bunch of fires on them. One of the Phantoms got a perfect rear shot with its heat lance, destroying a Gargant by blowing out its engine and causing a chain reaction. Ah yes, the good old Squat Landtrain with two 'nuke cars' and that Colossus was cool.

the thing about the Heresy era games... the armies can be either traitor or loyalist... well for those who became traitor anyway, same with renegade... Horus has Loyalist and Traitor rules

"Adeptus Flyaroundicas" is one th funniest things I've heard in a while

I want a war in heaven game, that would be insane.

I'm excited! 30k micro machines. I'm gonna start myself a tiny thousand sons army.

I was so excited for epic. But man now I'm dissapointed. I wanted 40k epic so bad.

Epic Armegeddon was release in the 90's. The '88 release was the original Adeptus Titanicus which did eventually add rules for Heresy era infantry and tanks. Shortly after that they released the ruleset for Space Marine which used the same scale and added some of the xenos and full chaos.

Agree with all those who are saying they would prefer this for WH40k rather than 30K. Plus disappointed to see that Adeptus Titanicus and Imperialis Aeronautica have both been dropped - or at least most of the ranges are no longer available which amounts to the same thing

Back in the original Titanicus we had other races, they existed and there was conflicts with them during the Heresy, so Eldar and Ork armies should be released at least.. I think them going Horus Heresy doesn't *have* to exclude many of the other races, but of course that doesn't mean we'll see them, this is probably it, Imperials vs Heretic only

Tbh I do like it alot definitely getting titanicus and imperalis and splitting it with a friend. It's slightly disappointing to see no xenos scum , but having many titans and planes is pleasing. Definitely gonna build a hive city for a gaming board for this.

Can’t wait for these minis. It’ll be a nice pallet cleanser from all the aos that I paint. Also I’m really happy that it’s 30k . I like 40k an all but I just really like the legions. It is a good idea to do the great crusade to. Good video jay

"I have to play Imperial Fists like a LOSER" That line killed me 🤣

I was so excited when I was told Epic was making a return. I was prepared to go digging for my old Ork army from 20 years ago. Then I was told that it was going to be 30K and I just felt deflated.

I agree with you. The new names suck. And the 30k setting is a bummer. I agree that it was prolly the ammount of sprues needed that dipped the scales on the setting. Still as you pointed out. EPIC is still around and its great... but maybe thats another reason for the 30k setting? Due to neglect by GW Epic fans got creative and yeah most of 40k EPIC models are available as 3D Printfiles for free or as homecast "forumware"... that might be a reason why predicted sales for 30K were looking more lucrative. And yeah if you want to play EPIC, grab the PDF, crank up the 3D printer and you are ready to go in no time. I would love to watch an EPIC BatRep from you guys.

Just wanted to mention a thought you had on your other vid about box sets not having compartments built in for game sets. Crack open your battletech box and you'll see the form-fit plastic holders for their pre-built miniatures, you'll also find the the A Game of Armoured Combat box not only contains 8 miniatures with form-fit holders as well as several goodies included such as cardboard cut-outs to slap together multiple miniature action as well as rules, map sheets and info decks for quick-start rules and world building. (side note I had a dream where I was hanging out with you and your mates and you seemed like really cool dudes)

I personally was Very excited for the new Epic ! Loved to See Crons in Epic Scale 🤩 But with the Release only for 30k i felt pretty dissapointed, too. Well. Saves me at least the Money 😂

Can't say I agree with your criticism of the names....Heresy is the "historical wargaming" sub brand of GW, and they go full roman on all the names...I think that the Liber Hereticus would lose a lot of its charm if it was just called Traitor Army Book etc....

I gotta say, I love this! I'm a SPACE MARINE fan. I have the 2nd Edition of Epic SPACE MARINE with Space Marines, Orks and Eldar and some buildings, and the 3rd Edition Rules and Epic Armageddon Rules. I have that same box of Titans you have, I also have a few random tanks and Dreads. I have spent a lot of time researching and trying to figure out what rules I wanted to use and how I wanted to base them. I also found people who run their armies using alternate rules like DRAGON RAMPANT and HORDES OF THE THINGS. Now I'm even more torn on what direction to go with that old 6mm stuff. Just let it languish? Use a rule set that enables me to use everything I have? I'm having a hard time resisting wanting to buy this, as I did when the Age of Darkness Box came out. I don't need anymore of this stuff. I have a lifetime supply. I will sell things off at time. Then I feel justified in buying more, newer, cooler stuff. I imagine it's going to be expensive and suck me down a rabbit-hole of spending I don't need to go. lately I've been using the excitement of new releases to inspire me to pull out and work on/finish similar projects. Seeing all the things I have, reminds me that I really shouldn't buy more stuff. If it is still available after I finish a few more projects, maybe I could reward myself with a big new box of stuff. You have to embrace FOMO. Yes, you might miss out. You could end up paying more, down the road. But if you have patience, you can usually find a reasonable deal after a few years. Better yet wait at least 3 years, then it might be obsolete anyway.

I have some old Epic Genestealers and one of those old mini Magnetic Chess sets. Now with this I can make Travel Space hulk.

nail on head, a Crusade era game would be amazing. With some 80s Roguie Trader spice too

Jay is going to name his first child Legion Imperialus.

The fact they're Mark VI armour makes it less appealing too, because it really locks you into one specific period and design aesthetic too. That said, epic scale primarchs could be amusing models.

@6:17 agreed, also bumbed. epic 40k had so many more races. also chaos dwoorfs. those tanks were freeking awesome. idn care. where are my chaos tanks!? also the tyranid modles were dope, that tyranid dude, mrpink

Great stuff friend 👏 👍

I've seen some folks convert various Ork stuff to use in Adeptus Titanicus (Just with knight rules) and that is something I thought about trying out. Dunno if I'd get into this, but I'd LOVE to have some tiny tiny ork minis (like the Squiggoth)

My copy of Risk as a kid just used wood blocks that were painted different colors

I'm excited to go back to the small scale. SM/TL era Epic was my first GW game and Epic:Armageddon is my favorite set of rules to ever come out of GW. So far we haven't heard that much about the rules, but it seems like the new rules have both hidden order placement like SM/TL had and alternating activations like E:A. I hope we also see the risk/reward mechanic of maintaining innitiative to activate two units in a row, with a higher chance of the unit refusing to follow orders from E:A. That would mash some of the most unique mechanics of these games into something that could be quite interesting. SM/TL played with hidden information in a way other GW games haven't, while the E:A style activation system really made you go into the tank, trying to exploit units that already had their activation and were somewhat misplaced, trying to figure out if that in turn would leave your units in a position that units that hadn't activated yould make use of. And the maintaining initiative rules allowed for things like moving a unit behind the enemy to cut off lines of retreat and then charging in with another unit, which would have the enemy flee right into the set-up. If the rules generate these types of strategic options, it'll be worthwile to get into the system. As for the setting, Epic started as a game based on Titans in the heresy (well, the heresy was invented to justify having Warlord Titans facing off against one another) and then got expanded with the Legions. It was the success of that version, which only had Titans and Marines, which led to the expansion to other forces - The first Edition of Space Marine ("Epic Battles in the age of Heresy") got Orks and Eldar releases with rules printed in WD, which was then followed by SM 2nd Ed. ("Epic Conflict in the War Torn Universe of the 41st Millennium"), which brought in the other factions seeing expansions for Eldar, Guard, Marines, AdMech, Knights, Tyranids, Chaos, Orks and Squats. With E:A they went with 3 factions on release (Marines, IG and Orks) with another 3 in an expansion (Eldar, another flavor of IG, another flavor of Orks). I think the Heresy setting allows for plenty of releases to check if there is a market and we might see an expansion to other forces later on. But as I said, I expect the rules to be really different from everything else.

Would love to see the day "The War In Heaven" becomes a game like the Horus Heresy.

I started working on a knight army in 7mm scale and its been very cool so far. Im looking forward to playing regular 40k on a 7mm scale board so I can carry it around with me easily. I'll buy this starter set probably. But im going to use them as extras for tiny 40k. Tiny 40k is gonna be great.

Who was asking for epic in the 30K setting??? I feel like everyone wanted it back for 40k. I know that's what I wanted!

This is easily GWs most 3d printable game!

As a necron player, ngl I just wanna take out big things with little arrows

My first game of Warhammer was epic, I painted a blue and a red team. At the time it only had troops and tanks, it advertised on the box of titans coming. Never played Warhammer again after that box until like 5 years ago. I would love for them to come out with a 40k epic.

Titanicus is awesome mate, honestly give it a go

I owned the original "Space Marine" game which i picked up in 1989 i think. I never played anything bigger than Company-sized Marine v Marine games but i recall enjoying it. I look forward to mixing Aircraft & Titans into mass Tank formations. Glad its back. Im especially hyped for the 30k setting. I could care less about the Xenos Armies in Epic. Fingers crossed for an October release.

I played space marine in the 90s. Loved it. As for this being 30k it could be just a test bed fir sakes. Don't have to make muck in races

Horus heresy makes perfect sense for epic and I'm super excited for it. The wars were grandiose with tens of thousands of space marines all at once. But I absolutely love the Horus heresy and have been wanting an Epic version for it for a long time. I want epic versions of the primarchs now. But I would also love if they had stuff for the great crusade. That would be a lot of fun.

The best part about playing epic 4k was you rarely run out of paint when painting an army :P

Really looking forward to getting back into epic. Banana marines here I come :D

I've been collecting 6mm Not! Mechanicum miniatures from Vanguard, so I'm glad I'll have a game to actually use them in.

Cool video, You're hyping me so much for your 30k Word Bearer ! i really hope you'll begin this project soon~ish

I bought 2 titan walkers about 6 months ago standing the same height as a dreadnought with the cities on back sitting in my pile o shame....one is emperors children colors and they took time to paint stained glass windows on the legs (I just wonder if that was pre heresy) before fulcrum turned?

i got so excited when they announced it was going to be compatible with aeroniticus and thennnnn saw it was only for HH models lol

Also for people not willing to spend the amount of money on 200+ miniatures you could use standard 40k/30k rules for the space marines and infantry models to save money on the full scaled models! And adding titans/knights would be easy as well

Warlord Games have historical model ranges called Epic (13mm scale). Senior Warlord Games staff are ex Games Workshops.

I really want to see the return of Space Hulk!

The original Epic games from GW were 'Titanicus' and 'Space Marine - the Horus Heresy'. All the Xenos races got added in later editions; so GW is sort of following in their own old footsteps. I suspect if it does well, they will expand it like they did before. I just wish the scale of the new game was a bit closer to the scale of the old game so I could use all my old infantry and tanks from the original Epic games.

According to Peachy on the painting phase much of the 3D printing for prototypes is in house.

Small print on bottom left of cover. - “Epic scale”.

I‘m already set to getting a box, even if it is just for decoration next to my AT titans. I used some old epic stuff for their bases, but being able to play with combined arms in that scale excites me. Sure, it is unfortunate that we won’t get xenos anytime soon even though Eldar have an established set of designs. But imo AT18 is the best game GW offer at the moment and if LI manages to be good as well, this might be my permanent fix for 40k cravings after the disappointment of 10th. And 9th. And 8th… 😊

Adepticus flyaroundicus LMFAO.

@3:10 it does however say "EPIC scale" in the corner. leading to the history.

I feel that. I have left sprues I have won in their boxes due to lacking the correct kind of base for them and not finding it relaxing to break the linearity of assemble, plan, paint, base.

Completely agree. The lack of imagination is quite telling. No one went to a bunch of designers and said "do Epic. Go nuts. Have fun." This was a starter set designed by accountants.

Never played it before but I'm gonna pick it up and try it

Since Space Marines are by far their best selling army in 40K, it's no surprise that they are going this way with Epic.

Dude Horus Heresy is super fun. Highly recommend. Just get the age of darkness box as a starter. That's more than enough to get started. It's super chunky and visceral.

Just started collecting epic it's great being able to paint an entire army in a couple of hours love it

Definitely should have left the name as WH epic. It would be cool if they had 30k and 40K mini minies. I feel like they are doubling down on 30k with age of darkness and legion imperialis. I don’t know. Maybe I should start a 30k arm………….MOM CAN I GET AN ADVANCE ON MY ALLOWANCE!?!?!?! I never had risk. I did just want it to play with the dudes though. Maybe it was bring you kids to work day when they painted the mini 30k dudes and the kids got to dunk the models in Agrax. Lol. Thanks gents! Fantastic as always!

This was kind of a bummer. I still have the old Epic box in my closet with a random painted Eldar tank or two.

Maybe I'm just in the minority (which is fine!), but the Horus Heresy is really just a fun read. Nothing else. I have zero interest in putting the time into a HH wargame whether it's 28mm or 8mm. GW just force feeding 18 different versions of vanilla ice cream on their menu. Also, I recall some pretty big games of Epic back in the day. Cause the whole point in Epic was to play massive battles! I can only assume looking at the new titan and airplane prices, this new game is collectively going to be the most expensive game GW has ever made.

I’m actually looking forward to it. I wasn’t too interested in Age of Darkness because it felt too much like 40K but I think this is enough different to be enjoyable for me. I also think that eventually they will have 40K rules and whatnot for this since everyone is talking about/wishing for it. All they would have to do is an expansion box that’s was focused on 40K to flip it over for anyone who would want it. 🤷🏻‍♀️ We shall see :D

The idea of turning it into Horus heresy is so stupid. Here's hoping that it's just a temporary thing while they find their footing and fill the range

i hope it does well so that gw will expand into 40k otherwise 3d printing and basing rules of of epic is always possible. as for there not being black templar you could play imperial fist sword brethren basically black templars before 2nd founding.

I’m assuming all of these boxes will be soft launches for these numerous board games to get a taster sample of what will sell

Hopefully we get Epic40k soon so we can do xenos stuff too

most of the items i was looking at on ebay months ago, are now jacked up in price or have been quickly bought up. curious.

I'm really excited about this. I was a long time Dropzone Commander player but the current rules make the game almost unplayable. If Legions is good it could very well be my new go to.

Models look fun, but, just silly to specifically set it in 30K to make it harder to add 40k factions later. You made the Solar Auxuliaries models. Why not make traitor gaurd models instead! Space Marines vs Traitor Guard as the headline factions, set the 'story' as the battle for some random hive world like they used to. People would be like a hundred times more excited if those solar auxiliaries were chaos. Swop out the walkers for some slobbery demons, and you are in a great spot. Keep the tanks etc. Then you can say, "Look, we'll do our best, but, making all the factions will depend on how well we do. If you love this stuff, go buy it, and we'll try to add more factions. Otherwise, enjoy the game!"

I see this game as a predecessor to an 40k version. They basicly laid out all the foundations by releasing all kinds of space marines. The next step would be to expand the range into the 40th millenium.