I hope someday the students from both shores of the Taiwan Strait could debate for and against "Should China and Taiwan be one nation?“。

as posh as this guy sounds, at least he can pronounce those Indian names properly!

7:40 When he actually starts to make his case.

The worry is that Muslims might ask or try to force another Pakistan but this time in UK ......you can take the pakastani out of Pakistan but you can’t take the desire for an separate Islamic land out of wherever a pakastani be !

Eric you nailed the introduction, all the more respect for you. I learnt how to answer insult with appreciation. 👌

Lot of words and so little meaning I couldn't understand what is proposition's and opposition's position in this debate

We just can't repeat what history has left.

Poised,Polished,Intellect and confidence all in one!

Technically it may be correct to say that the Maharaja Hari Singh of Jammu & Kashmir did not immediately accede either to India or Pakistan as on the date of Independence. As everyone is aware that the Princely States then existing were given the option either to join India or Pakistan or remain independent if they so desired. Hence it is wrong to say that just the State of Jammu & Kashmir did not join either of these newly born independent countries. It could have perhaps decided either way later or it could have remained independent. Hence in my view it is absolutely wrong to say that Kashmir was up for grabs by India or Pakistan or by both. Subsequent developments are too well known who the real aggressor was and which country the Maharaja acceded to finally. Let no one spread canards.

The partition is not a "wound" on the psyche of any Pakistani. Only Indians regret it.

Wat kind of debate is tat when u hv to read written transcript..

Partition was inevitably made to happen by leadership in Britain and self-righteous leaders of Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs. Indians suffered and only suffered.

Mr. Sukumaran makes many good points in his speech! However, while his points are stylish they lack in substance. Ms. Saeed did not advocate the re-unification of India and Pakistan. She just cited that partition was a bad plan based on a bad idea. If both Pakistan and Bangladesh were peaceful and viable nations, their secession from India may make sense. Yet that is hardly the case. Bangladesh is not doing too badly but that is because it is surrounded by India and the Bay of Bengal. Bangladesh allows India to take care of its external security, external trade, and its foreign policy needs. Pakistan is bankrupt and is a total failed state. It too has secession issues as the people in the provinces of K.P., Sindh, Balochistan, Gilgit-Baltistan, and POK no longer want to remain in Pakistan. Pakistan in its current form cannot go on like this forever. Eventually it will have to let India take over Gilgit-Baltistan, POK and its other territories, Afghanistan to take over K.P. province, Iran to take over Balochistan, and finally allow the provinces of Punjab and Sindh to become autonomous republics. There really is no other way.

Expected a much better response tbh. But his position is like- whatever happened has happened, accept it. The debate is on was it right or wrong that happened? Tbh, i am bit confused about the motion after his speech. The partition pushed back my country Bangladesh like 20-30 years behind and it took a long time for us to regenerate our strength. If the debate was on 1970- would he propose to accept our fate and go on with the partition with all those oppression?

If there had been joint country, definately this area of world would have been more proseperous than we are now as pakistan and india. Major of outr budgets are dedicated to defence which alternatively would have been used for poverty eleviation and many more.

What is the significance of "United States of India" ?

There was this article in the Financial Times that posited that Oxford Union alumni has wrecked the Britain and British politics. I wondered how...

Still wondering why all the speakers in the panel whether for or against the proposition except the Sabriya are of Indian Origin or nationality?

British Raj policy of rule and divide has resulted in decrease of unity among people in the Indian subcontinent

. May I recommend a book Heartbreak Passage by Lambert Mascarenhas at age 100 now 106 from Goa in India He is the oldest Freedom Fighter of Portuguese Goa .

Politically correct debate, Facts distorted. Truth is that Hindu leadership refused to give Constitutional Rights to Minorities proposed under the Cabinet Mission Plan and it resulted in partition of India.

Jeez, tough crowd

No logic only beautiful verses... Both the Pakistani and Indian speaker.

seems like winston churcil held the conference of partition in uk😂

There were many heavy words and a light content

I don't understand one thing. These Oxford graduates are reading from their scripts word for word. They are constantly looking at their written speeches. Students from not so prestigious universities can present without referring to their notes and do so quite effectively. I do understand using notes as reminders when presenting but not reading the speech verbatim. Why are they doing it? May this is a tradition that I am unware of that someone can shed some light on.

Not sure where this guy got his facts from, but the king of the state of Jammu and Kashmir acceded to India when Pakistan attacked

He read practically his entire presentation. Interesting, if unusual.

lol i wouldnt quote bobby kennedy if i were him..bad analogy.

6.56 is something we would do in school

If it has subtitle in English .it will be better

13.00 Britain lost of its 13 colonies

Had Partition not happened India would have been become Islamic country .

Guys in comment section, chill. I don’t think he supports partition. This is just a competitive debate.

Very eloquent

He does not know that at first Kashmir wanted to be independent but acceded to India soon after Pakistan attacked it? Whose side are you arguing for?

Hats off to the British for liberalizing the education establishments enough, that what was not possible till as recently as 2 generations ago - 2 non-caucasian women with saris taking the chairs at Oxford Union, is possible today. We hope that in the spirit of progress this practice continues!

This is Ash from C4ETech

Lot of common sense in his arguments. And potentially a great solution. Unfortunately in today's day and age, there is disparity across the borders. A country suffering terrorism from within, and a country on the path of economic revival and greatness. Truce is only possible if they are equals. I see misguided narrative in Pak, no focus on real issues, and no concrete development. Unless the people become more educated, and are willing to look beyond the religious context, and more towards social and economic development, these kind of settlements will have to wait.

17 min of pure crap in British accent. He infact mispoke his actual argument.

The fact that people think its all linear makes me laugh. Its a cycle the bloody thing about time and history they show themselves again and again in a karmik way. Everything indians faced and made to forget and forgive. The current generation is opening those chapters and wounds.they are in no thought of forgiveness.

The speakers continually forget that Undivided India is now India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.....I don't know why Bangladesh, which has a larger muslim population than Pakistan and an economy which is almost as big as Pakistan's US$300 billion has been completely sidelined in the debate......shows that all the debaters have brought their prejudices with them to the Oxford Union debate. Very poor! Thumbs down!

This guy calls himself educated, but comes from the leftish snowflake view. Does he even know Indian history?. No, Kashmir acceded to India, but Pakistan invaded. That is what is POK. Nehru created article 370 without an act of parliament, but to appease the people as a temporary measure. These people want to dictate history to appease everyone without understanding the foundations for this. Maybe many people should understand our own history, and realise Hindu, a geographical term, by the Persians, did not represent us. The British called us Hindoos. We were Vedic, and became Hindu after the British came. Indians really need to understand their history before we end up in wars that Abrahamic religion fought for centuries. We are a way of life, not a religion, That is why , Indian civilisation succeeded so long.

No one regrets Buddy except the one who suffered

Kashmir is integral part of India.....and if u want peace then pakistan should be broken in 4 states as they were before partition.....

wtf is Sukkmran. Its Su-kumaran two different words with individual meaning

1:09 you're aware

All land of today's Pakistan actually belong to us.......our own mother land.....bina Sindh ke kaisa hind??? ........we will take back this land at any cost......whatever the consequences........we deny foolish partition by nehru and jinnah.......border line is not god given stuff but it was man made foolish thing..........the future of today's Pakistan only with us .........tomorrow the entire world see once again .....united India alongwith Pakistan and Bangladesh too

if you ignore the title of this video including all the introduction and jump straight to listening what this guy says, you'll definitely think this guy is against partition

Did UK accept Irish terms.? Did they start talk with irish even when bombings were happening in UK.. no. So how could you accept india to do so.. from past 30 years since their jihaad was formed & unleashed on us.. we talked but have kargil parliament attack 26/11 still these voices want us talk... remember you along with us & nato invaded afganistan.. thank us that we didnt did so....

his way of reading is like song, I love it!

Let there be a peaceful exchange of population between India and Pakistan. All Muslims should go to Pakistan and Bangladesh in exchange for all non-Muslims of Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan before). When Pakistan was made for the Muslims only, there should not be any Muslims in India which should be only for the non-Muslims. That will also solve the Kashmir problem as the non-Muslims of Kalas, Chittral, Kafiristan, Hunza valleys can come to India and stay in the Indian part of Kashmir. Unfortunately we had Nehru and Ambedkar who imposed secularism on us ignoring the historical fact of the partition of India based on religion.

Sir Only they divide Punjabi &Banagli not all Brithish kill us divide us beause we only stand against them So please do not say partation of india Say partation of punjab and Bengale

Maharaja NS Sarila, who was the ADC of the last three Vice-Roys of India wrote in his book that in 1934 the British had decided to create a separate country where the British Army would stay in case India would get independence. The British army would secure the route from SuezCanal to Australia and also they resist the entry of the Soviet Union in the Middle East.The British employed three agents Gandhi, Jinnah and Ambedkar io execute their plan. Gandhi refused to accomodate Fazal Ul Haq of Bengal, Allah Bux of Sindh, Sikander Hyat Khan of Punjab, Khan Abdul Gaffer Khan of NWFP and Khan of Kalat of Balochistan. Ambedkar was against the freedom of India always. Jinah was promoted by the British.Gandhi even in 1943 prepared a Partition Plan. He gladly accepted the British proposal without any opposition.

Discussion made by those idiots who are living on that very soil which looted India. They abandoned their homeland and now discussing partition that they never witnessed. Some bleak memories of their heritage is their pain but pain is living on that soil and make that india stand once again. I can never respect the land which destroyed us. This is a british man not Indian

Modi and RSS prove partition is correct and right demand of Muslim League , the only bad thing is it is happens wrongly. People of Kashmir does not get right of self determination and also Sikh does not get there separate homeland. So despite these issues Partition is the only survivor of Minorities in southasia. Other wise RSS Bakhts does not sapare any one.

4:47

If there will no partation bharat will be the strongest in the world.british influence the nehru and jinha to be separate leader div.and rule policy works .

We are against the Partition as we have lost our home & land in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh;;) . The Politicians may say many things , but we , the distressed only FEEL THE AGONY . THE POLITICIANS(NEHRU & JINNAH) GAINED A LOT , RIDING THE SACRIFICE OF I N A

British backed Jinnah for the partition, so Britain was the actual mastermind...This man didn't mentioned Britain role in partition. An Indian origin British man is speaking half truths, so basically it's a propaganda video from Britain. Britain is the most selfish nation in the world, they played the card of religion to rule India causing lots of bloodbath of Indian citizens, they looted our citizens by taxes, they took our ancient monuments which are in the museums there (which looks like chorbazar in London).

people have accepted partition... and so does the fact that J&K is an integral part of India... Its only our western/northern neighbours who are having problem adjusting to it...

Prince of Kashmir want to join to India , India never grabbed it

It is great that partition happened, with too much muslims , it would have been difficult to develop India as muslims care more about ideology rather than developement

Whatever this gentleman said completely undone by current modi govt.

That Reagan quote was out of context and made a bad speech ever worse, stop trying to make yourself sparkle and instead, focus on the gist and the predicate on which your argument and logic is based on.

atleast he was far far better than that women in proposition 1

Bangladesh regrets the partition .

I vote no

The debate is like flocinocienhelepilification

The need of the hour is to analyze the current history. These researchers must understand that India was not divided on 15th August 1947. In fact we were united into two separate dominions. Remember, earlier we were never united. We were broken into several kingdoms. Don't call it partition, call it rather unification of kingdoms into two separate nations, which we never were in the long history of 5000 years.

Only Pakistani Even she spoke against partition

Excellent.

No further from bd.

I bet Eric and sabriyah are probably dating now.

Tata still chase

Oh get over it, partition happened, move on 🙄

In 1947 India got the Dominion Status, not full independence. It was a lie of Nehru, he knew that very well.

This man is derailed from debate

Not impressive 👎

This young man makes a passionate speak about the open wound of partition but forgets that India NEVER accepted Pakitan as an entity. Look what they did to Jaswant Singh for praising Jinnah in his book. Anyone who praises Jinnah or Pakistan is immediately expelled and made a pariah. Change this mentality first.

Jinnah's prediction is coming true today 🙏❤️✌️

Hindus and Muslims are living in peace and give there life's for the independence as much as Mr. Gandhi.this country belong to Muslims as it belong to Hindus and Sikhs. It's all British game.that we are not in peace.

My man wants Sabriya I don't blame him...

so soft on Pakistani girl. hey, Suku use your brain we want the land, not the people. Jai V Patel.

THE MOST boring debate ever in Oxford Union......Style, body language, reading from paper....

Very logical analysis

The foolish speaker who claims be an Indian but didn't know the Indian history, Nehru was not democratically elected to be the first pm but choosen in autocratic way by Gandhi.

Every one often tend to believe that British created the divide between Sanatanis and Muslims to rule. While this is the result of the Muslims opting to follow Muslimhood (Califackth) over freedom struggle. But British have done more damage to this land by creating divide within the Sanatanis. Macaulay is the architect and his inspiration was when he say entire Sanatani (basically the natives of this land) respected one Varna, who is Veda educated and a teacher, it gave him the idea to divide them. Until then there was no caste system rooted in the society that divided people. Only those who were considered (not known reason till date but am exploring) not following the then societal practices, were kept aside. This is bad now but do not know what they did/followed that they were kept out. Not an apologist nor trying to justify but want to find the truth behind it. As many of us believe, as followers of Adhi Sankara Acharya, there is a god in everyone.

Pragmatic

In short the egotistical self-obsessed yet shrewd but not so wise politician Jinnah played into hands of British colonialists' explicit policy of "divide & rule" . All said & done, both countries should move on now and live as peaceful neighbors.

Grab a cigar and a chair and relax, don't hurry yourself towards relevance please, we need to hear your drawl and about your love for whiskey. Is this a faux Oxford?

Superficial arguments; you have zero understanding of Irish and British relations even at a political level (see protest on parliament seats) let alone cultural nuances. Your arguments follow same superficial logic.

Snobs with bow ties.

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This guy's speaks sensible

His arguments are at best - nonsensical! India wasn't partitioned because Hindus wanted Muslims out; it happened so because Muslims spilled blood for it. While partition was inevitable, it was so because an Abrahamaic, predatory faith could not and still cannot tolerate the existence, let alone domination over it, from denizens of another faith. And no, India and Pakistan are not in a death spiral. India marches on as Pakistan sinks further. What I regret is the loss of our territory; the loss of many members of her Muslim polity was the best consequence of partition for India and her future. India has perhaps progressed far more today because of this loss.

Read "The Indian Ideology," by Perry Anderson. The fault is pretty much all on the Hindus/Congress Party.

he has grown up in England and he thinks that he is capable of giving solution to india and Pakistan. Don't make me laugh

Thanks to Muslims that they showed their mentality and went to pakistans... We are hindus n living happily in india with all others religions.

Bangalis were the first to ask for the partition and separate muslim state.