Shaq says Kobe Bryant belongs in GOAT debate 🐐 Stephen A. & JWill respond | First Take

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Shaq says Kobe Bryant belongs in GOAT debate 🐐 Stephen A. & JWill respond | First Take
On First Take, Stephen A. Smith and Jay Williams respond to Shaquille O’Neal’s comments that Kobe Bryant belongs in the GOAT debate.
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@muhfkajones
@muhfkajones 24 күн бұрын
Its disgusting how ONLY the media disrespects Kobe Bean Bryant
@TylerH510
@TylerH510 24 күн бұрын
Telling the truth isn’t disrespectful. Just bc you don’t wanna hear something doesn’t mean it’s disrespectful. It just means you’re sensitive 🤣
@melvinhhcp3615
@melvinhhcp3615 24 күн бұрын
Yeah. SAS is fckn horrible.
@AvenueI77
@AvenueI77 24 күн бұрын
Trust me if we on social media keep making comments on their own platform saying Kobe is in the Goat talks...it will push the narrative
@Suckmeoff-zy3fb
@Suckmeoff-zy3fb 24 күн бұрын
@@TylerH510you’re sad bro he smacked y’all for multiple decades you still hurt 😂
@jaykold11
@jaykold11 24 күн бұрын
Facts
@OGJLyric
@OGJLyric 24 күн бұрын
The media doesn’t put Kobe in the conversation, but all the ppl who played with and against him put him in the convo.
@brittanywilson9361
@brittanywilson9361 24 күн бұрын
Because he died
@onemoremic
@onemoremic 24 күн бұрын
Colorado man. And it sucks because that situation made the media turn their backs on Kobe. So here we are 20 yrs later, and young ppl, (which there are a lot of), think LeBron is actually in the same conversation as MJ and Kobe, when he's not even close
@straightlead8
@straightlead8 24 күн бұрын
No one outside of shaq puts Kobe in the Goat convo
@OGJLyric
@OGJLyric 24 күн бұрын
@@straightlead8 ok.
@straightlead8
@straightlead8 24 күн бұрын
@@onemoremic Im 45 years old and Kobe is no where near Lebron or Jordan
@Elchamodelstaff
@Elchamodelstaff 24 күн бұрын
Magic himself said (Kobe is The greatest Lakers in franchise history)
@tbd3058
@tbd3058 24 күн бұрын
He was just being polite
@Elchamodelstaff
@Elchamodelstaff 24 күн бұрын
@@tbd3058 maybe, But Kobe Bryant is The goat Lakers by far
@peytonnmanning1503
@peytonnmanning1503 23 күн бұрын
😂 the greatest laker not to pass the ball
@sephiroth9930
@sephiroth9930 23 күн бұрын
@@peytonnmanning1503 better than the self proclaimed goat who likes to flop and complain to the refs. 😂
@MauricioKing23
@MauricioKing23 21 күн бұрын
BINGO
@fanrankings
@fanrankings 23 күн бұрын
Media keeps mentioning Shaq w/ Kobe but not Lebron w/ Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, and Anthony Davis. Terrible argument
@rodneyleejr3040
@rodneyleejr3040 21 күн бұрын
MJ with Scottie, Horace, Dennis, Kerr, Kukoc
@2408spydah
@2408spydah 21 күн бұрын
@@rodneyleejr3040 biggest difference is mj didnt pick who he wanted to play with.
@rodneyleejr3040
@rodneyleejr3040 21 күн бұрын
@@2408spydah 😂 yall really be delusional you do know he literally went hand picked and recruited Dennis right?
@2408spydah
@2408spydah 21 күн бұрын
@@rodneyleejr3040 u do know he already had 3 championships b4 dennis right? 🤣
@rodneyleejr3040
@rodneyleejr3040 21 күн бұрын
@@2408spydah what that got to do with him making the bulls draft Tony Kukoc? Or going out his way to make sure they get Ron Harper? Nothing. But you wanna act like LeBron the first superstar in history to manipulate his roster. Foh lol
@ItsGamingFancy
@ItsGamingFancy 24 күн бұрын
Smith really said he disagrees with shaq that kobe should be in the conversation just to say at the end that he deserves to be in that conversation
@cyber6sapien
@cyber6sapien 24 күн бұрын
LOL! Good catch.
@Slimreaper444
@Slimreaper444 24 күн бұрын
He said he really agree with Shaq not disagrees
@ItsGamingFancy
@ItsGamingFancy 24 күн бұрын
​@@Slimreaper444 "Stephen A. Do you agree with Shaq?" "Of course not. I rarely agree with Shaq. That's my brother but I rarely agree with him."
@Slimreaper444
@Slimreaper444 24 күн бұрын
@@ItsGamingFancy you right , that shi was confusing
@jimmycharlotin7050
@jimmycharlotin7050 23 күн бұрын
My point exactly stephan a smith is a straight up clown
@Kobesthebestest
@Kobesthebestest 24 күн бұрын
A.I., Vince, KD, Garnett, Dirk, Kawhi, T-Mac, Webber etc. Great players who actually had to play against Kobe all say the same thing. It's just stat geeks, analytic nerds and unathletic people who don't get it.
@brittanywilson9361
@brittanywilson9361 24 күн бұрын
And you can find the same amount of players that say jordan and lebron and kareem so your argument says nothing
@sethquesenberry4985
@sethquesenberry4985 24 күн бұрын
This right here. Kobe went against a gauntlet of great players during that time
@RL-ww5ev
@RL-ww5ev 24 күн бұрын
Stats matter. Why else keep them
@kane979
@kane979 24 күн бұрын
@@brittanywilson9361 cap
@kane979
@kane979 24 күн бұрын
jordan said he rather play with kobe
@Hotrod3097
@Hotrod3097 23 күн бұрын
Media always hates on Kobe
@Da1o
@Da1o 23 күн бұрын
Dawg kobe barely top 8 player of all time and that’s with me being biased towards him💀💀
@Hotrod3097
@Hotrod3097 23 күн бұрын
@@Da1o so u agree my statement that media be hating on Kobe sometimes
@Da1o
@Da1o 23 күн бұрын
@@Hotrod3097 undoubtedly when he played, but there was a shift after kobe retired and then another big shift after he passed, people barely trash kobe now, and if they do it’s because people put him in conversations he doesn’t belong in💀💀
@Hotrod3097
@Hotrod3097 23 күн бұрын
@@Da1o only cuz he’s dead they have to talk nice about him
@cj2times955
@cj2times955 23 күн бұрын
I gusse the players do too because every poll that nba players have always have MJ Lebron Kobe
@FlipStar26
@FlipStar26 24 күн бұрын
It goes Mike, Kobe, and then whomever you wanna add next....
@kingb3nz550
@kingb3nz550 22 күн бұрын
Faxxx cuxxxo MJ...Kobe...whoever else I can care less 🗣RESPECTFULLY
@StephonAllen-dn2uw
@StephonAllen-dn2uw 22 күн бұрын
​@@kingb3nz550 Greatest NBA players all time top 11  1. Michael Jordan  2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar  3. Bill Russell  4. Magic Johnson  5. LeBron James  6. Larry Bird  7. Wilt Chamberlain  8. Hakeem Olajuwon  9. Shaquille O'Neal  10. Tim Duncan  11. Kobe Bryant    Kareem greater player then Kobe anyday    Rings  Kareem 6✔️  Kobe 5    League Mvps  Kareem 6✔️ (most all time)  Kobe 1    Finals Mvps  Kareem 2  Kobe 2    Total Mvps (league and finals)  Kareem 8✔️  Kobe 3    Points score  Kareem 38,387✔️  Kobe 33,643    Field goal%  Kareem 55.9%✔️  Kobe 44.7%    Kobe Bryant isn't top 2 player all time proof you don't know basketball at all lol    Jordan, Kareem, Russell only 3 players in goat convo lol    Kobe no where near above Kareem or Russell 😂    Kobe Bryant ain't never be in debate he has no case as goat    Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 finals mvps and best player on all his teams championships unlike Kobe 2 finals mvps    Goat 🐐 Jordan 36.8% better 3point shooter in NBA finals than Kobe 31.4%     Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings    Ain't no 1A or 1B Jordan way better player then Kobe when they individual stats compared regular season, playoffs, NBA finals 😂
@StephonAllen-dn2uw
@StephonAllen-dn2uw 22 күн бұрын
Greatest NBA players all time top 11  1. Michael Jordan  2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar  3. Bill Russell  4. Magic Johnson  5. LeBron James  6. Larry Bird  7. Wilt Chamberlain  8. Hakeem Olajuwon  9. Shaquille O'Neal  10. Tim Duncan  11. Kobe Bryant    Kareem greater player then Kobe anyday    Rings  Kareem 6✔️  Kobe 5    League Mvps  Kareem 6✔️ (most all time)  Kobe 1    Finals Mvps  Kareem 2  Kobe 2    Total Mvps (league and finals)  Kareem 8✔️  Kobe 3    Points score  Kareem 38,387✔️  Kobe 33,643    Field goal%  Kareem 55.9%✔️  Kobe 44.7%    Kobe Bryant isn't top 2 player all time proof you don't know basketball at all lol    Jordan, Kareem, Russell only 3 players in goat convo lol    Kobe no where near above Kareem or Russell 😂    Kobe Bryant ain't never be in debate he has no case as goat    Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 finals mvps and best player on all his teams championships unlike Kobe 2 finals mvps    Goat 🐐 Jordan 36.8% better 3point shooter in NBA finals than Kobe 31.4%     Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings    Ain't no 1A or 1B Jordan way better player then Kobe when they individual stats compared regular season, playoffs, NBA finals 😂
@harryself4910
@harryself4910 21 күн бұрын
MJ KOBE then LEBRON NEED A LIL MORE TO PASS KOBE. LEBRON LOST TO STEPH TOO MUCH FOR ME
@BrandonPeterson-hw5jl
@BrandonPeterson-hw5jl 24 күн бұрын
Who cares if Kobe had Shaq for his first 3 rings. Bron had mad help in his career I’m taking KOBE BRYANT over Bron any day
@CoolTy23
@CoolTy23 24 күн бұрын
Bron NEVER had a SHAQ
@z-mane1438
@z-mane1438 24 күн бұрын
@@CoolTy23 yea he had everybody else
@BrokeEnt504
@BrokeEnt504 24 күн бұрын
@@CoolTy23he did though lol
@fearlesskingdom4051
@fearlesskingdom4051 24 күн бұрын
Bron was the help.
@z-mane1438
@z-mane1438 24 күн бұрын
@@fearlesskingdom4051 if bron was the help he shouldn’t need help
@runrafarunthebestintheworld
@runrafarunthebestintheworld 24 күн бұрын
He really does. MJ respected Kobe too. It's not that deep.
@wilcunningham5787
@wilcunningham5787 24 күн бұрын
Because Kobe he knew 2 FINALS MVP stop it
@back2back379
@back2back379 24 күн бұрын
Well, MJ also respected Magic, Larry, Olajuwon, David Thompson, lots of greats.
@Heatpad.Murray1
@Heatpad.Murray1 24 күн бұрын
Don’t forget Lefraud is the most over-rated nba star in nba history. Brons fans think losing finals is better than actually winning them
@franknatti5367
@franknatti5367 24 күн бұрын
@@Heatpad.Murray1getting there better than getting swept in first round
@mikerageous1
@mikerageous1 24 күн бұрын
​@@franknatti5367 and just like that you prove his point. Congrats 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@2coolfru11
@2coolfru11 21 күн бұрын
The man died 4 years ago and HERE WE ARE, debating ONCE AGAIN, if he’s the GOAT….he is. PERIOD.
@michaelmoore6001
@michaelmoore6001 23 күн бұрын
Didn’t Lebron have Dwade Bosh Kyrie Ray Allen Kevin love and Anthony Davis? How tf do we leave this out of the convo?
@JacobJosh-tv3jt
@JacobJosh-tv3jt 22 күн бұрын
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best player on Lakers 3peat Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 🐐Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 40,446 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships You got Kobe D ick on yo lips
@user-io9sy5zf1z
@user-io9sy5zf1z 24 күн бұрын
FIRST OF ALL ESPN ....KOBE BRYANT NEVER LEFT THE CONVERSATION ......YOU GUYS AND CLUTCH SPORTS MARKETING TEAM AKA NICK WRIGHT AND SHANNON ARE ONES WHOS BEEN PUSHING THIS NARRATIVE
@palala316
@palala316 23 күн бұрын
Facts
@SphinxMen1906
@SphinxMen1906 23 күн бұрын
You sound stupid
@wangtang12
@wangtang12 23 күн бұрын
Kobe has never been in the conversation
@terricarter9435
@terricarter9435 23 күн бұрын
​@wangtang12 Google and KZfaq are free if I too young just checkout the temperature of the 00's b4 u make silly comments like that
@wangtang12
@wangtang12 23 күн бұрын
@@terricarter9435 you should take your own advice. Kobe is not in the conversation
@K12127
@K12127 24 күн бұрын
Kobe is the only person who gets compared to Jordan and it’s consider a bad thing… riddle me that 🤔
@WRNIIVIIII
@WRNIIVIIII 24 күн бұрын
Really? "The ONLY person"?
@tivalan3483
@tivalan3483 24 күн бұрын
Kobe is 80% of what Jordan is to be considered better you'd have to be something different all together
@LuanNguyen-rj1bt
@LuanNguyen-rj1bt 23 күн бұрын
Funny how everyone is comparing ant to jordan and kobe, but not lebron
@sammcdermott78
@sammcdermott78 23 күн бұрын
That’s because of play style rather than just how good they are
@brokeboii8861
@brokeboii8861 23 күн бұрын
@@LuanNguyen-rj1btprobably cause lebron nd Jordan dont play alike….
@TruckerWitDaHeater
@TruckerWitDaHeater 24 күн бұрын
The media doesn’t speak for me! Kobe is my goat 🐐
@FraizerBerry
@FraizerBerry 22 күн бұрын
Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe       Finals Mvps    Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Rings   Jordan 6✔️   Kobe 5      League Mvps   Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 1      Total Mvps (league and finals)   Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 3      Scoring titles    Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Steals leader    Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)   Kobe 0      All defensive first team selections    Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️   Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%      Defensive player of year    Jordan 1✔️ (1988)   Kobe 0      Career Steals    Jordan 2,514✔️   Kobe 1,944      Career blocks    Jordan 893✔️   Kobe 640      Seasons played    Kobe 20   Jordan 15      Points per game (regular season)   Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)   Kobe 24.99      Player efficiency rating    Jordan 1st all time ✔️   Kobe 24th all time       Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career       Seasons average +30 ppg   Jordan 8✔️   Kobe 3      Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg    Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 0      3point% (NBA finals)   Jordan 36.8%✔️   Kobe 31.4%      Playoff game winning buzzer beaters    Jordan 3✔️   Kobe 1      Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie   Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️   Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%      Jordan way better player then Kobe       Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time    1. Michael Jordan    2. LeBron James    3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar    6. Shaquille O'Neal    7. Tim Duncan    14. Kobe Bryant       1991 NBA finals    Bulls 4 Lakers 1   First ring    Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp       2000 NBA finals    Lakers 4 Pacers 2   First ring    Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt   Carried by    Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs       Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option       Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times      2004 NBA finals    Pistons 4 Lakers 1   Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince       2004 NBA finals    Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
@sameenergy9414
@sameenergy9414 13 күн бұрын
​@@FraizerBerrysheeeesh
@winten3815
@winten3815 3 күн бұрын
@FraizerBerry 5️⃣ 𝙍𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙤𝙣𝙨 𝙬𝙝𝙮 𝙆𝙊𝘽𝙀 𝙞𝙨 𝘽𝙚𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙣 𝙈𝙞𝙘𝙝𝙖𝙚𝙡 𝙅𝙤𝙧𝙙𝙖𝙣: 1. KOBE is the "𝗢𝗻𝗹𝘆" player in NBA History to beat 4️⃣-5️⃣0️⃣ win teams and win a title without a top 75 teammate. Note : The average number of wins their opponents had in the playoffs- KOBE: 54.4% > MJ: 53.4% / Kobe Also played in a tougher era and Won B-2-B championships Without a top 75 player. Jordan never beat a super team in the finals, Kobe beat the 2010 Boston Celtics, they had 4 hall of famers on that team. 2. KOBE is "more skilled" has better shooting range and a wider variety of moves inside and outside offense compared to Jordan, who prefers to use predictable mid-range game and post game. Note: KOBE's three-point shooting is 34.1% against Jordan’s 32.7% 3. KOBE is a better ball handler, free throw shooter and plays much more comfortably on the perimeter than Jordan. Note: KOBE has kept a 83.8% from the line against Jordan’s 83.5%. 4. KOBE is a better passer- finished 31st in career assists, whereas Jordan finished 45th on the all-time list. Note: KOBE recorded 4 seasons in which he finished inside the Top 20 for season assist totals compared to Jordan’s three. Kobe has the most assists for a SG playoffs + regular season ( 7.2k) Assists 5. KOBE is more durable - had three knee injuries a torn wrist, a fractured bone in his hand, broken index finger and yet he played on and won a Championship in 2010 against the Boston Celtics which where a super team.....Whereas Michael Jordan suffered from one notable injury in his career and almost sat out for a whole season.
@pokerNGold
@pokerNGold 24 күн бұрын
It baffles me how people act like Kobe isn’t in the GOAT conversation but you can go back to ESPN and Fox sports clips form 2016/2017/2018 when they’re literally debating Kobe vs Jordan vs LeBron. Bean retired in 2016 with one of greatest performances we’ve seen. What has changed in the past 4-7 years that makes Kobe not in the discussion?
@scotthayes1210
@scotthayes1210 24 күн бұрын
Kobe and MJ are interchangeable to me. He's gotta be there. Just my opinion. Bean was a killer like Mike, and HAD the ability to snatch your heart right outta your chest and keep coming until your will and desire were completely broken
@StephonAllen-dn2uw
@StephonAllen-dn2uw 22 күн бұрын
​@@scotthayes1210 Greatest NBA players all time top 11  1. Michael Jordan  2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar  3. Bill Russell  4. Magic Johnson  5. LeBron James  6. Larry Bird  7. Wilt Chamberlain  8. Hakeem Olajuwon  9. Shaquille O'Neal  10. Tim Duncan  11. Kobe Bryant    Kareem greater player then Kobe anyday    Rings  Kareem 6✔️  Kobe 5    League Mvps  Kareem 6✔️ (most all time)  Kobe 1    Finals Mvps  Kareem 2  Kobe 2    Total Mvps (league and finals)  Kareem 8✔️  Kobe 3    Points score  Kareem 38,387✔️  Kobe 33,643    Field goal%  Kareem 55.9%✔️  Kobe 44.7%    Kobe Bryant isn't top 2 player all time proof you don't know basketball at all lol    Jordan, Kareem, Russell only 3 players in goat convo lol    Kobe no where near above Kareem or Russell 😂    Kobe Bryant ain't never be in debate he has no case as goat    Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 finals mvps and best player on all his teams championships unlike Kobe 2 finals mvps    Goat 🐐 Jordan 36.8% better 3point shooter in NBA finals than Kobe 31.4%     Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings    Ain't no 1A or 1B Jordan way better player then Kobe when they individual stats compared regular season, playoffs, NBA finals 😂
@StephonAllen-dn2uw
@StephonAllen-dn2uw 22 күн бұрын
Greatest NBA players all time top 11  1. Michael Jordan  2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar  3. Bill Russell  4. Magic Johnson  5. LeBron James  6. Larry Bird  7. Wilt Chamberlain  8. Hakeem Olajuwon  9. Shaquille O'Neal  10. Tim Duncan  11. Kobe Bryant    Kareem greater player then Kobe anyday    Rings  Kareem 6✔️  Kobe 5    League Mvps  Kareem 6✔️ (most all time)  Kobe 1    Finals Mvps  Kareem 2  Kobe 2    Total Mvps (league and finals)  Kareem 8✔️  Kobe 3    Points score  Kareem 38,387✔️  Kobe 33,643    Field goal%  Kareem 55.9%✔️  Kobe 44.7%    Kobe Bryant isn't top 2 player all time proof you don't know basketball at all lol    Jordan, Kareem, Russell only 3 players in goat convo lol    Kobe no where near above Kareem or Russell 😂    Kobe Bryant ain't never be in debate he has no case as goat    Goat 🐐 Jordan 6 finals mvps and best player on all his teams championships unlike Kobe 2 finals mvps    Goat 🐐 Jordan 36.8% better 3point shooter in NBA finals than Kobe 31.4%     Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings    Ain't no 1A or 1B Jordan way better player then Kobe when they individual stats compared regular season, playoffs, NBA finals 😂
@nomu5815
@nomu5815 22 күн бұрын
Bubble ring apparently lol .
@pokerNGold
@pokerNGold 22 күн бұрын
@@StephonAllen-dn2uw you’re way too invested in the GOAT debate. I’m not reading all that 🤣
@dcgrace320
@dcgrace320 24 күн бұрын
Kobe is the only person who gets discredited for having a great teammate. Kareem had Oscar and Magic, who were considered the GOAT at their positions. Magic had Kareem. Shaq averaged 1 more point than Kobe during their run. Kobe also led the team in assists.
@deshawnwords5204
@deshawnwords5204 24 күн бұрын
Plus shaq didnt win until he got with kobe and lakers ❤. Mad respect for shaq to speak up about kobe bryant .
@wisdomenake242
@wisdomenake242 24 күн бұрын
Shaq dominated by far in the nba finals, though. Kobe was just a sidekick. The stats weren't close.
@fermintroncoso4614
@fermintroncoso4614 24 күн бұрын
the thing is SHAQ was better than him on those teams
@dcgrace320
@dcgrace320 24 күн бұрын
@@fermintroncoso4614 And Kareem wasn’t better than Magic through the majority of those rings. Kareem was the 5th leading scorer in LA when he won his last ring, yet you never hear ppl bring things like that up. Meanwhile Kobe had a finals series averaging 30
@Original_Brute_Force
@Original_Brute_Force 24 күн бұрын
@@fermintroncoso4614 exactly! thats why he got the ball at the end of games!
@user-jo2kd3dp8m
@user-jo2kd3dp8m 24 күн бұрын
04-10 Kobe was by far the most skilled player to ever play in the nba, the fact y’all deny this is unfair to the entire sport itself
@jaythawriter4940
@jaythawriter4940 24 күн бұрын
More like 2000-2010
@Tre24466
@Tre24466 24 күн бұрын
2003?
@IamNotTrey
@IamNotTrey 24 күн бұрын
Notice how you skipped the years Shaq won 3 straight Fmvps over Kobe.
@noleyestoad4477
@noleyestoad4477 24 күн бұрын
no MJ was the most skilled weve seen Kobe was the closest to ever come to it thats why it makes no sense that other guys get mentioned before him constantly!
@richardgutierrez26
@richardgutierrez26 24 күн бұрын
Don't forget the 2003 season where Kobe average 30 6 and 6 with 2 steals a game coming off a 3 peat, if the Lakers had a better record to start that season Kobe coulda had his first MVP that year
@matthewlockhart6159
@matthewlockhart6159 22 күн бұрын
Kobe won the 2009 championship and ... called up Hakeem, asking to work on his footwork over the summer. That's a mindset that very few have.
@TweMcgraw
@TweMcgraw 23 күн бұрын
Kobe should be in that conversation period
@wangtang12
@wangtang12 23 күн бұрын
No
@jomen7961
@jomen7961 24 күн бұрын
Stephen A says a lot without saying nothing. Stfu
@Dannycole-lb1wn
@Dannycole-lb1wn 24 күн бұрын
ong
@dontaelg
@dontaelg 24 күн бұрын
The best at it.
@user-io9sy5zf1z
@user-io9sy5zf1z 24 күн бұрын
FACTS
@butterfreeman
@butterfreeman 24 күн бұрын
Just cuz he died does not make him top 5 he’s too 15 at most even Tim Duncan was better and every time he face off against Lebron he got destroyed don’t believe me look it up, Kobe was not better than Magic or Kareem no where near close
@stopcampin4097
@stopcampin4097 24 күн бұрын
@@Dannycole-lb1wnain’t it his job to talk? Lmao y’all 🥷s sum else
@Sicnesses23
@Sicnesses23 24 күн бұрын
How soon yall are to forget greatness. It's embarrasing. Kobe is definitely in that debate
@melvinhhcp3615
@melvinhhcp3615 24 күн бұрын
Yessir
@maverick33guy95
@maverick33guy95 24 күн бұрын
He was never in the debate for good reason
@user-xu5gq4vl5q
@user-xu5gq4vl5q 24 күн бұрын
He’s really not though, He’s not better than Bron, Kareem, Magic, and prime for prime. He’s not better than Shaq
@Righteousgenius
@Righteousgenius 24 күн бұрын
He was never in the debate until he passed, be honest
@davis2k1234
@davis2k1234 24 күн бұрын
@@RighteousgeniusGo KZfaq NBA games morning show debates from late 2000s/early 2010s he was absolutely being compared to MJ/can he catch him it’s after he retired and died the disrespect has been getting worse every year
@-1Hawk
@-1Hawk 23 күн бұрын
Out of his own mouth..Magic said Kobe was the greatest Laker.
@orlandowilliamson691
@orlandowilliamson691 24 күн бұрын
People really don't understand how great Kobe actually was..
@veli1100
@veli1100 24 күн бұрын
They really discredit Kobe is crazy
@BayWolf-pp1ev
@BayWolf-pp1ev 22 күн бұрын
Athletic top 10 best NBA players all time    1. Michael Jordan    2. LeBron James    3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar    4. Bill Russell    5. Magic Johnson    6. Wilt Chamberlain    7. Larry Bird    8. Shaquille O'Neal    9. Tim Duncan    10. Kobe Bryant         Athletic has Kobe Bryant #10 all time     PPG: LeBron         RPG: LeBron         APG: LeBron         SPG: LeBron         BPG: LeBron         FG%: LeBron         3pt%: LeBron         FT%: Kobe         TS%: LeBron         PER: LeBron         WS/48: LeBron         VORP: LeBron         MVP's: LeBron         FMVP's: LeBron         Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)                LeBron better player then Kobe                 Field goal%        LeBron 50.6%✔️        Kobe 44.7%                Points scored career        LeBron 40,446✔️ (1st all time)        Kobe 33,643                LeBron 1st all time points         Kobe 1st all time missed shots                 Total 3pointers made        LeBron 2,410✔️ (8th all time)        Kobe 1,827                Total Steals career        LeBron 2,270✔️ (8th all time)        Kobe 1,944                Total Blocks career         LeBron 1,110✔️        Kobe 640                Defensive win shares         LeBron 80.71✔️ (10th all time)        Kobe 50.66                Assists Leader         LeBron 1✔️        Kobe 0                Career highs        Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record                 Career highs         LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record                Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters         LeBron 5✔️        Kobe 1                2010 NBA finals         Game 7        Lakers 83 Celtics 79        Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points                 2013 NBA finals         Game 7        Heat 95 Spurs 88        LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points                 Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings                2011 NBA playoffs         Mavericks 4 Lakers 0        Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series                LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings                 Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time Y'all worship a accused R apist Kobe
@eddiecampbell9663
@eddiecampbell9663 22 күн бұрын
​@@BayWolf-pp1evhow you worded it as athletic is wrong....nothing wrong with your list but should have just said top 10 players all time take the athletic part out.....cause if it was all about athletic then kyrie irving.....a.i. ppl like that would be on the list
@shoishoi14
@shoishoi14 22 күн бұрын
@@BayWolf-pp1evyou can keep copying and pasting that same comment 😂😂. Meanwhile your precious “king“ is at Cancun
@reyesrn1935
@reyesrn1935 24 күн бұрын
5 Championships 7 Finals (3 peat, Repeat Without Top 75 player) Beat Most 50 Win Teams All Time In NBA History! 3rd All-time Leading Scorer (Most All Time by a SG) 8,000+ Rebounds (Most All Time by a SG) 7,000+ Assist (3rd All Time by a SG) 6 60 Point Games (2nd Most All Time) 26 50 Point Games (3rd Most All Time) 135 40 Point Games (3rd Most All Time) 36 20-point Quarters 600+ Points in 3 Consecutive Playoffs (Most all Time) 15 All NBA Teams 12 Time Defensive Teams 11 Time All-NBA First Teams 18 Time All Star Slam Dunk Champion (At Age 18) Youngest All Time! 2-0 Team USA Record! Kobe Should Definitely be in the Top 3 All Time conversation.
@dochudson9393
@dochudson9393 24 күн бұрын
Tim Duncan better
@livinginadarkworld2808
@livinginadarkworld2808 24 күн бұрын
Lebron, Kareem , KARL MALONE then kobe in all time leading scorer.. my only rebuttal lol
@melvinhhcp3615
@melvinhhcp3615 24 күн бұрын
​@@dochudson9393No. Duncan never repeated & Kobe beat him more in the playoffs than Tim beat him.
@tone4681
@tone4681 24 күн бұрын
@@livinginadarkworld2808Karl Malone liked little girls and put up empty stats. He never won anything so it’s not even close between him and Kobe. Kareem played with 2 of the greatest PGs of all time (Magic and Big O) which helped him a lot. He doesn’t win in LA without Magic running the show. And Bron needed all the help in the world to win.
@diudhi
@diudhi 24 күн бұрын
5 rings, Robert Horry got 7 rings
@identityxd9184
@identityxd9184 24 күн бұрын
How people forget… Kobe is my goat
@itsADmyguy
@itsADmyguy 15 күн бұрын
Real ones know Kobe is in that conversation. The media doesn’t want to agree with it because they don’t like Kobe. We all know the reasoning behind it. To me he’s the 2nd greatest player of all time right behind MJ. To respond to what SAS said about winning 3 with Shaq, he wouldn’t have won 3 without Kobe. PERIOD.
@JustMoseyinAround
@JustMoseyinAround 24 күн бұрын
*Ppl always bring up his 3 with Shaq but never his 2 without another superstar (Pau is not a superstar). Kobe def demands the respect for the 2 that he won.* *Media constantly sh!t on one to elevate the other. Nasty business.*
@mrgetitdone85
@mrgetitdone85 24 күн бұрын
Pau going to the HOF.. he was a walking 20/10 guy when he played with Kobe
@Nightman12
@Nightman12 24 күн бұрын
Paul was definitely a superstar are you kidding Kobe and Paul in there was a crazy 1 2 punch.
@Maxjuliann
@Maxjuliann 24 күн бұрын
@@mrgetitdone85still wasn’t a superstar he elevated his game BECAUSE he was playing with Kobe
@AvisBailey
@AvisBailey 24 күн бұрын
They Hate Kobe bra that’s all they will bring say anything to bring that man down
@maliquegordon1477
@maliquegordon1477 24 күн бұрын
@@mrgetitdone85pau never average 20
@er1ck24
@er1ck24 24 күн бұрын
Kobe's greatness needs no validation. To me MJ, Kobe. Beyond stats and numbers. #mambaforever
@saeedelgendy959
@saeedelgendy959 24 күн бұрын
Thank You.
@mylesgaines8743
@mylesgaines8743 24 күн бұрын
Facts bro
@kobebryant76t92
@kobebryant76t92 24 күн бұрын
Facts
@user-xu5gq4vl5q
@user-xu5gq4vl5q 24 күн бұрын
That might be your personal opinion, but you have to factor in Numbers, Accolades and Stats when discussing the goat debate. Kobe is not on the Level that Bron or Kareem is when you factor all that in
@tlxxlt4745
@tlxxlt4745 24 күн бұрын
Tim Duncan is better than Kobe. Can’t believe y’all just word him out but bring Kobe in it. The bias with you people are insane.
@ThuUnderGroundRemnant
@ThuUnderGroundRemnant 23 күн бұрын
KOBE played with Shaq Lebron played with dwade , Chris Bosh , Kyrie , ray allen , Anthony Davis , Kevin love , Carlos boozer, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard , Rondo etc . List goes on .. I’m tired 😂
@mason2721
@mason2721 23 күн бұрын
Shaq is a top 10 player all time and is the most dominant player ever. No one who you lists crack top 10. You give Bron a prime shaq that’s 6 rings.
@JP-ks3kh
@JP-ks3kh 23 күн бұрын
I’m tired of people like you using the number of players LBJ played with as a metric against him. You have to give context not just a list of players. Now tell me.. How many years did he play with those players and what quality/how good was that player. Were they in their prime years or just along for the ride as a role player for a chip. You see now. Like we can say that MJ played with only Pippen. However, he played with Pippen for 10 YEARS OVERLAPPING THEIR PRIMES. like we get it, LBJ played with good players but ffs, he didn’t get 10 years of prime wade or prime Irving, etc. get my point? Give context please don’t just say ish to diminish or paint a false narrative. That’s manipulation. Give LBJ 8 seasons of prime Shaq like Kobe had. Pretty sure he has as much success as Kobe did with Shaq, etc
@StephonAllen-dn2uw
@StephonAllen-dn2uw 22 күн бұрын
Kobe Bryant played with Shaquille O'Neal, Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard, Karl Malone, Glen Rice, Mitch Richmond, Dennis Rodman
@forevermamba_2303
@forevermamba_2303 22 күн бұрын
@@StephonAllen-dn2uw okay cool. Now let’s be realistic and stop acting ignorant. Kobe played with prime Shaq and Gasol. Lebron played with prime dwade, Chris Bosh, kyrie, Kevin love, anthony Davis and Russel Westbrook. Not even a debate. We not talking aging stars like Karl Malone who average 13 points and retire with injuries that same year he played with Kobe lol. Got to use context with some you dudes cause y’all be lying Lol.
@ThuUnderGroundRemnant
@ThuUnderGroundRemnant 21 күн бұрын
@@StephonAllen-dn2uw Nick van excel Kobe was straight out high school on the bench for the first 2 years. Eddie jones - are you serious he got traded before Kobe came to be🤣 Paul Gasol- is legit on the last two rings Dwight Howard - Kobe didn’t ask for him he sent him packing he didn’t have work ethic .he was injured . Karl Malone Gary Payton was old and injured . Glen rice - Kobe was a kid not getting playing time .same with Mitch Richmond etc . Nice try Lebron had all those guys in his prome
@TraeFittz
@TraeFittz 24 күн бұрын
I’m One that feels that Lebron should NOT be in the GOAT Debate..Esp when Considering him Diminishes the Legacy of Others. Lebron is an All Time Great but Not Greater than MJ, Kareem, Magic, Kobe or Steph. To put Lebron Ahead of Any of them is Disrespectful.
@kobe24j
@kobe24j 24 күн бұрын
The media wants to use that Kobe had Shaq to win 3 chips. But they don't say Lebrik had Wade, Bosh, Allen, and Irvin. Lol
@kylesawkon4074
@kylesawkon4074 24 күн бұрын
And AD
@JohnKing-jz9zb
@JohnKing-jz9zb 24 күн бұрын
The difference is lebron won all the mvps bozo and kobe didn’t win not 1 with shaq.. period
@kite36
@kite36 24 күн бұрын
@kobe24j It’s hard to take you seriously given your account name. Being real with you it’s called HAVING a team. Shaq during those periods was the most dominant player on the team, during lebrons stints on different teams, he was always the best player or as of late the most efficient player. Not to mention there has never been a period in lebrons career where he just was getting bounced out and not making it to the playoffs
@kylesawkon4074
@kylesawkon4074 24 күн бұрын
@@JohnKing-jz9zb those mvps are subjective tho they got sas a vote lol I love bron but he don’t have that mamba mentality
@Righteousgenius
@Righteousgenius 24 күн бұрын
Bron was always the best player on his team that’s y he got 4 finals MVPs, Kobe was 2nd best on his team. Can’t b In the debate with 1 mvp also
@BlackwillStreet
@BlackwillStreet 24 күн бұрын
Even without Shaq Kobe went to 3 straight finals with only one all star in Paul Gasol who’s also a HOFer but he averaged less than 20. Kobe won back to back chips. And even next to Shaq he was putting up Elite numbers. He averaged 28, 25 & 30 during the regular seasons the years they 3 peat, that’s not someone riding coat tails or being carried. In the playoffs he averaged 21, 29 & 26 next to Shaq Bron went and teamed up with the 2nd best SG in the league at the time and one of the best PF in bosh. And still barely won 2 after all the hype. That’s like prime Kobe leaving to team up with prime T Mac, Vince Carter & KG or something. Bron never won with only one all star. Kyrie & K Love were also all stars
@peytonnmanning1503
@peytonnmanning1503 23 күн бұрын
Listen to how u sound...Kobe was a ball hog
@derekhayter4879
@derekhayter4879 23 күн бұрын
With a supporting cast like D Fish, Lamar Odom, Ron Artest, Trevor Ariza, Andrew Bynum
@wade2xx552
@wade2xx552 23 күн бұрын
@@derekhayter4879yea & none of those players wasn’t good enough to make an all star team or all nba team
@ManagerMatt1
@ManagerMatt1 23 күн бұрын
Kobes numbers dont reflect GOAT debate... He didnt average 20 until his 4th season, Shaq won all 3 finals MVPs, of the top 15 in points, he shot the lowest from the field of the top 15... Kobe wasnt first team all NBA until his 6th season... Kobe had 6 seasons under 20ppg... Lebron never had ONE season below 20...
@andrewgiegerich8211
@andrewgiegerich8211 23 күн бұрын
Derek Fisher wasn't Kyrie odum wasn't Kevin love or Bosh Bynum wasn't AD or Dwight Howard​@@derekhayter4879
@SojiRo23
@SojiRo23 23 күн бұрын
I have Kobe #2 on my list. • ⁠Beat the most 50+ win teams in NBA history • ⁠Second most points scored in a single game NBA history, First most in the modern era. • ⁠Oldest player to score 60+ • ⁠3rd most consecutive 50+ point games in NBA history • ⁠2nd most All-NBA First Team honors won (tied with Malone) • ⁠Most All-NBA Team honors won by a guard • ⁠Most All-NBA First Team honors won by a guard • ⁠2nd most All-Defensive Team honors won • ⁠Most All-Defensive First Team honors won (tied with Mike, GP, KG) • ⁠Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years • ⁠Oldest player to record back-to-back games of 40+ points and 10+ assists • ⁠Carried Olympic team to a gold medal • ⁠5x NBA Champion on a three-peat • ⁠Dragged a squad with no other superstar/top 75 to repeat • ⁠2x Finals MVP • ⁠1x MVP • ⁠2x Scoring Champ • ⁠9x All-Defense First • ⁠3x All-NBA Second • ⁠18x NBA All Star Kobe is also 1 of only 6 players to win back-to-back Finals MVP (2peat). Kobe did this in one of the most competitive conference in history. He was also the 1A/1B option on the most recent 3peat team (only five 3peats in NBA history). 4th in scoring all time, 16th in steals, 33rd in assists, 115th in rebounds. Lead the 2000's with the most points scored in the decade and the highest scoring average of the decade. Lead the decade in all-star selections, all-nba selections, all-nba defensive selections. Made 6 finals, won 4. He also had 10 50 point games in the 2006-2007 season alone. He also scored 60-50-65-50 in consecutive games. In 2003 he scored 40+ in 9 straight games. Outscored the Dallas Mavericks 62-61 by himself after 3 quarters, sat the 4th; he was easily on his way to 80 that game. Didn't matter, he hit 80 soon after. He did all that and scored 35.1ppg on a team that only averaged 96ppg a game as a team and he did so in the slowest paced era and lowest scoring era in league history. Furthermore, he famously played through injuries to his own detriment which meant many of his scoring feats were done while injured. He won an NBA title and won FMVP with a broken finger taped to the opposing finger on his shooting hand. He also took on the opposing teams best player as often as he could on defense which is probably why many people think he wasn't as good defensively as he actually was. Simply the greatest difficult shot taker and maker in NBA history which makes the fact that virtually every year of his prime he shot above league average even more remarkable. He would have rewritten the modern scoring record books if he had the freedom on offense current players enjoy.
@DemonSlayer_ISTJ
@DemonSlayer_ISTJ 21 күн бұрын
Whoever didn't know this before Shaq said it clearly doesn't know basketball. Like Buck said back in the day "I KNOW YOU GONNA LET ME SHINE AND GET MINE", give Kobe his credit. I've had my Kobe posters and merch since the Shaq and Kobe days and no one could tell me otherwise til this day Kobe's not the GOAT.
@jmon1424
@jmon1424 24 күн бұрын
Stephen A said he has to take inconsideration that Kobe had Shaq. Well Lebron had D.Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving and Anthony Edwards. Please make it make sense?
@Faneetho62
@Faneetho62 24 күн бұрын
Anthony Edwards?
@KingGoku32794
@KingGoku32794 24 күн бұрын
LeBron had Anthony Edwards? 😂😂😂😂😂
@josiahmitchell8594
@josiahmitchell8594 24 күн бұрын
Shaq was better than Kobe, that's why they are Shaqs rings, everyone you named that LeBron had and they still LeBron rings.
@AvisBailey
@AvisBailey 24 күн бұрын
Oh they never mentioned that part these dudes on tv are jokes
@N33zy23
@N33zy23 24 күн бұрын
Casual
@maccgreezy
@maccgreezy 24 күн бұрын
Kobe 🐐
@khawk1283
@khawk1283 23 күн бұрын
Greatest of All Time
@FraizerBerry
@FraizerBerry 22 күн бұрын
​@@khawk1283 Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe       Finals Mvps    Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Rings   Jordan 6✔️   Kobe 5      League Mvps   Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 1      Total Mvps (league and finals)   Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 3      Scoring titles    Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Steals leader    Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)   Kobe 0      All defensive first team selections    Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️   Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%      Defensive player of year    Jordan 1✔️ (1988)   Kobe 0      Career Steals    Jordan 2,514✔️   Kobe 1,944      Career blocks    Jordan 893✔️   Kobe 640      Seasons played    Kobe 20   Jordan 15      Points per game (regular season)   Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)   Kobe 24.99      Player efficiency rating    Jordan 1st all time ✔️   Kobe 24th all time       Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career       Seasons average +30 ppg   Jordan 8✔️   Kobe 3      Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg    Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 0      3point% (NBA finals)   Jordan 36.8%✔️   Kobe 31.4%      Playoff game winning buzzer beaters    Jordan 3✔️   Kobe 1      Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie   Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️   Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%      Jordan way better player then Kobe       Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time    1. Michael Jordan    2. LeBron James    3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar    6. Shaquille O'Neal    7. Tim Duncan    14. Kobe Bryant       1991 NBA finals    Bulls 4 Lakers 1   First ring    Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp       2000 NBA finals    Lakers 4 Pacers 2   First ring    Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt   Carried by    Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs       Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option       Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times      2004 NBA finals    Pistons 4 Lakers 1   Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince       2004 NBA finals    Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
@FraizerBerry
@FraizerBerry 22 күн бұрын
Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe       Finals Mvps    Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Rings   Jordan 6✔️   Kobe 5      League Mvps   Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 1      Total Mvps (league and finals)   Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 3      Scoring titles    Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Steals leader    Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)   Kobe 0      All defensive first team selections    Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️   Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%      Defensive player of year    Jordan 1✔️ (1988)   Kobe 0      Career Steals    Jordan 2,514✔️   Kobe 1,944      Career blocks    Jordan 893✔️   Kobe 640      Seasons played    Kobe 20   Jordan 15      Points per game (regular season)   Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)   Kobe 24.99      Player efficiency rating    Jordan 1st all time ✔️   Kobe 24th all time       Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career       Seasons average +30 ppg   Jordan 8✔️   Kobe 3      Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg    Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 0      3point% (NBA finals)   Jordan 36.8%✔️   Kobe 31.4%      Playoff game winning buzzer beaters    Jordan 3✔️   Kobe 1      Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie   Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️   Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%      Jordan way better player then Kobe       Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time    1. Michael Jordan    2. LeBron James    3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar    6. Shaquille O'Neal    7. Tim Duncan    14. Kobe Bryant       1991 NBA finals    Bulls 4 Lakers 1   First ring    Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp       2000 NBA finals    Lakers 4 Pacers 2   First ring    Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt   Carried by    Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs       Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option       Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times      2004 NBA finals    Pistons 4 Lakers 1   Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince       2004 NBA finals    Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
@ronaldroberts9555
@ronaldroberts9555 24 күн бұрын
SAS double talk so much he don’t even realize it
@Errordemn6
@Errordemn6 12 күн бұрын
The Kobe hate is crazy
@Librascales10
@Librascales10 24 күн бұрын
Stephen A smith’s hate for Kobe is ridiculous
@EricK-ir8np
@EricK-ir8np 24 күн бұрын
Worst COMMENT EVER!! 🤡🤡🤡
@cyber6sapien
@cyber6sapien 24 күн бұрын
Don't confuse hate with realism. LeBron fans do it all the time, and it's annoying.
@TylerH510
@TylerH510 24 күн бұрын
It’s not hate it’s the truth. So pathetic whenever this generation gets told something they don’t like they just say they are hating🤣
@jaysav3632
@jaysav3632 24 күн бұрын
Not hate its facts, Kobe barely top 5
@josephcarston9780
@josephcarston9780 24 күн бұрын
you have no idea what you're talking about. Haha
@sailordel5537
@sailordel5537 24 күн бұрын
He does I’m so tired of them not talking about Kobe
@wangtang12
@wangtang12 23 күн бұрын
He doesn't
@MKIVD
@MKIVD 21 күн бұрын
Funny how ex-players will always have Kobe on the GOAT discussion, but analysts who didn't play NBA-ball don't lol
@lukekylestanley4072
@lukekylestanley4072 20 күн бұрын
Jay Williams says "Kobe has 36 game winners. 36 Game winners. Most by any NBA player🤫in NBA HISTORY"
@hollywoodpak7391
@hollywoodpak7391 24 күн бұрын
Last time I checked it’s a TEAM sport it’s just the HATE towards Kobe for me it’s like once he passed his past got erased put some RESPECT ON KOBE NAME!!!! #TeamMamba
@fermintroncoso4614
@fermintroncoso4614 24 күн бұрын
i think its the opposite after he passed people are looking his career in rose tinted glasses
@PirateD.KingLuffy
@PirateD.KingLuffy 24 күн бұрын
Nah even before he passed he media was still hating on him
@servdv
@servdv 23 күн бұрын
nobody is hating on him and they tried to force him in more conversations after he died
@markislivingdeliberately
@markislivingdeliberately 23 күн бұрын
Well he’s not on a podcast saying how great he was so ppl forget. Lebron reminds the world every time he’s at a mic how great he is 😂😂
@mjalex
@mjalex 24 күн бұрын
10 year olds and the media are the only ones who don’t have Kobe in the Convo
@Kobe824-cz2wg
@Kobe824-cz2wg 24 күн бұрын
Because Kobe called ESPN a bunch of idiots.
@mjalex
@mjalex 24 күн бұрын
@@Kobe824-cz2wg He was proven to be right
@sammcdermott78
@sammcdermott78 23 күн бұрын
No, Kobe is not considered to be top 3 or top 5 by a lot, he’s overrated by people who respect mentality the most
@scott783
@scott783 23 күн бұрын
Anyone who has seen Jordan and Bryant play in real time know the whole debate is a joke and just done to get ratings and views and attention. The only people that back lames are gen z clowns and younger.
@austingreen1274
@austingreen1274 23 күн бұрын
Incorrect.
@henryyoung2116
@henryyoung2116 23 күн бұрын
The Media disrespects Kobe so much The Fact that he’s not in the Conversation is mad Disrespectful!!!
@akeemmanhertz4013
@akeemmanhertz4013 20 күн бұрын
The disrespect for Kobe is crazy af
@victhebric66
@victhebric66 24 күн бұрын
Kobe Bryant is my goat. Had the pleasure of growing up watching him play and when he won the championships in 2009 and 2010 without Shaq, I was so happy for him. The Greatest Laker and the reason I became a Laker fan.
@kingkyrie5140
@kingkyrie5140 24 күн бұрын
Same
@jacobyjonez9900
@jacobyjonez9900 23 күн бұрын
Same
@jimmyconway6080
@jimmyconway6080 23 күн бұрын
Who cares
@kingkyrie5140
@kingkyrie5140 23 күн бұрын
@@jimmyconway6080 obviously you do since you commented genius
@LewisRay-pf2wg
@LewisRay-pf2wg 22 күн бұрын
Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe       Finals Mvps    Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Rings   Jordan 6✔️   Kobe 5      League Mvps   Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 1      Total Mvps (league and finals)   Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 3      Scoring titles    Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Steals leader    Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)   Kobe 0      All defensive first team selections    Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️   Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%      Defensive player of year    Jordan 1✔️ (1988)   Kobe 0      Career Steals    Jordan 2,514✔️   Kobe 1,944      Career blocks    Jordan 893✔️   Kobe 640      Seasons played    Kobe 20   Jordan 15      Points per game (regular season)   Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)   Kobe 24.99      Player efficiency rating    Jordan 1st all time ✔️   Kobe 24th all time       Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career       Seasons average +30 ppg   Jordan 8✔️   Kobe 3      Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg    Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 0      3point% (NBA finals)   Jordan 36.8%✔️   Kobe 31.4%      Playoff game winning buzzer beaters    Jordan 3✔️   Kobe 1      Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie   Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️   Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%      Jordan way better player then Kobe       Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time    1. Michael Jordan    2. LeBron James    3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar    6. Shaquille O'Neal    7. Tim Duncan    14. Kobe Bryant       1991 NBA finals    Bulls 4 Lakers 1   First ring    Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp       2000 NBA finals    Lakers 4 Pacers 2   First ring    Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt   Carried by    Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs       Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option       Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times      2004 NBA finals    Pistons 4 Lakers 1   Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince       2004 NBA finals    Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
@MrJames-ww5em
@MrJames-ww5em 24 күн бұрын
The way SAS discredits Kobe being in the conversation is crazy. He has 5 rings. I remember as a kid whenever someone shot a fadeaway they’d say “Kobe”. No hate to Lebron but he’s 3rd on my list. 1) MJ 2) Kobe Bean 3) Lebron Just my opinion…
@jbmlk
@jbmlk 24 күн бұрын
it’s more than just rings if that’s the case Bill Russel is the GOAT
@wittypoker
@wittypoker 24 күн бұрын
Young people today will call you a boomer for saying that lol
@JP-ks3kh
@JP-ks3kh 24 күн бұрын
Missed me with that 🏀 🗑️
@josephchar1809
@josephchar1809 24 күн бұрын
I got Kareem 3rd and Lebron either 4th or 5th
@MrJames-ww5em
@MrJames-ww5em 24 күн бұрын
@@jbmlk True. Too many accolades for them all to list currently. I’m just going off where I was introduced to basketball (88-89).
@ashtonyoshi6811
@ashtonyoshi6811 23 күн бұрын
Been watching ESPN for 24 yrs. All of these 🤡 have fallen hard
@RunningWild.
@RunningWild. 23 күн бұрын
Stephen A says Kobe had Shaq like LeBron didn't build a team he said would win "not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7"... Y'all hate when we hold LeBron to his words, that shows me what type of people y'all are in life. For him to only get TWO and they couldn't stay together has to be a TREMENDOUS FAIL! He said Shaq and Kobe couldn't stay together and yet LeBron and Kyrie couldn't stay together... LeBron and AD bout to split now with BARELY a ring! NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, 5 WITH ONE TEAM AND THREE WITH SHAQ AND TWO BACK TO BACK IS BETTER THAN 4 WITH DIFFERENT TEAMS AND ALL STAR TEAMS! You can have all the stats in the world BUT YOU DON'T HAVE IT WHERE IT MATTERS! 5-2 IS BETTER THAN 4-6! PERIOD!
@rogerblewett5595
@rogerblewett5595 24 күн бұрын
I think Duncan and Kobe should definitely be in the conversation
@JustTheFacts45
@JustTheFacts45 24 күн бұрын
No
@WRNIIVIIII
@WRNIIVIIII 24 күн бұрын
duncan yes kobe no
@kingkyrie5140
@kingkyrie5140 24 күн бұрын
Tim Duncan? Stop
@WRNIIVIIII
@WRNIIVIIII 24 күн бұрын
@@kingkyrie5140 5 championships 3 FMVP 2 MVP Never missed the playoffs Greatest player of his position and era …and you talkin’ about “Stop”?!
@kingkyrie5140
@kingkyrie5140 24 күн бұрын
@@WRNIIVIIII are we seriously gonna sit here and debate that Tim Duncan was a better basketball player than kobe or lebron James or MJ ? You talking about accolades I’m talking about skill on both ends of the floor
@GorillaboyTv
@GorillaboyTv 24 күн бұрын
Stephen A Is LAUGHABLY WRONG 😂
@shinsukecorbin425
@shinsukecorbin425 20 күн бұрын
How?? Kobe isn’t better than Jordan, Bron, Kareem or Magic that’s just facts..Kobe the only player y’all can say deserves to be in the goat conversation but will never say he’s the goat..Tell me htf does that even work lol
@jarvissledge2530
@jarvissledge2530 23 күн бұрын
Kobe stayed on the same team through good times and bad times
@MrSlickwilly09
@MrSlickwilly09 23 күн бұрын
Kobe never asked for his coaches to be fired or tried to blame them for his failures
@hilamadventures4060
@hilamadventures4060 23 күн бұрын
What? Lol ..apparently u didn't know much about the late great Kobe...He clashed with Del Harris for not playing for not playing him, He got Mike Brown fired 10 games into the season, he was happy to see Phil Jackson leave the first time..
@JordanisOverrated2
@JordanisOverrated2 23 күн бұрын
Lol u know nothing
@peytonnmanning1503
@peytonnmanning1503 23 күн бұрын
He always had the ball and didn't pass. Why u didn't add that in?
@rashaudcarter1574
@rashaudcarter1574 23 күн бұрын
@@hilamadventures4060 don’t forget he demanded to be traded to the bulls multiple times. And even had a game he refused to shoot because the media was talking about him taking all the shots. I love Kobe but saying he didn’t have his diva moments is just false.
@JordanisOverrated2
@JordanisOverrated2 22 күн бұрын
@@rashaudcarter1574 Kobe so fortunate we didn’t have social media back then lol
@orwell9788
@orwell9788 24 күн бұрын
Kobe, West, Magic, Wilt, Duncan, Bird, all these guys should be in the goat conversation, not just MJ and Bron
@JustTheFacts45
@JustTheFacts45 24 күн бұрын
Bron and MJ would cook ALL OF THEM
@Bookem35
@Bookem35 24 күн бұрын
Kareem is the goat
@jv1192
@jv1192 24 күн бұрын
@@JustTheFacts45Michael Beasley cooked Bron in a 1v1
@tristanmanuel7787
@tristanmanuel7787 24 күн бұрын
Don't forget steph curry lol
@lloydbonafide3398
@lloydbonafide3398 24 күн бұрын
​@@JustTheFacts45wilt is literally superhuman and can play in any era. He's leaner than shaq but stronger and faster than lebron with the defense of giannis or KG. He's a cheat code and sometimes i wonder if hes the best basketball player ever when i see these topics. Like who can stop him and who cant he gaurd? It would have to be a small quick player.
@sladesurfer
@sladesurfer 24 күн бұрын
But they never say Jordan had Pippen...or the first 5 years of Jordan couldn't make it to the playoffs until they got Phil Jackson
@Mari000
@Mari000 24 күн бұрын
And LeBron had way more help😂
@slyle4570
@slyle4570 24 күн бұрын
Nicca pippen ain’t no top 10 player of all time y’all Kobe fans be reaching like Fck embarrassing 😂
@StarboundUK
@StarboundUK 24 күн бұрын
Lebron had more help than MJ... Wade is a better player than Pippen... Wade won a chip as the best player on Heat long before LeBron got there to form his superteam. As for Kobe I love Kobe but he ain't MJ
@cyber6sapien
@cyber6sapien 24 күн бұрын
If you're going to comment on a topic that you clearly don't know about, at least do some research first. Jordan never missed the playoffs as a member of the Bulls. And the Bulls were already playing in the Eastern conference Finals the year before Phil Jackson took over as head coach. Phil helped Jordan get past the Pistons and helped him to win titles. But Jordan had the Bulls on the precipice of greatness before Phil took over as head coach. And even if your statement was true, that argument doesn't even make sense. Because Jordan was the one with the decorated basketball resume from college to the NBA. By the time Phil arrived, the only thing left for Jordan to win as a basketball player was a title and a finals MVP. Jordan had quite literally accomplished everything else. Phil on the other hand, built his legacy coaching MJ. Just as Scottie Pippen built his legacy playing with Jordan. Before Jordan, neither Phil nor Pippen had a basketball resume to speak of. With Jordan, Pippen became a top 75 all time player. Without Jordan, the casual fan wouldn't know who Pippen was. Without Pippen, Jordan is still a top 75 all time player, but with possibly fewer rings.
@kobebryant76t92
@kobebryant76t92 24 күн бұрын
It's all about the narratives. And if you repeat a narrative enough times it becomes reality in peoples mind...Kobe the Goat.
@osvaldo360grados
@osvaldo360grados 24 күн бұрын
Go to every team best player or players, they consider Kobe their goat. PLAYERS!! and media, like they know how to play, disrespect Kobe like he's not even a top 5. This is sad
@Dadcollects
@Dadcollects 24 күн бұрын
You can’t say Kobe was the second coming of MJ and not put him in the conversation. What he did for the culture of basketball is almost unmatched.
@chuckkrafton4362
@chuckkrafton4362 24 күн бұрын
To be honest, NOBODY deserves to be in the G.O.A.T debate... Jordan is already cemented
@ace35ks87
@ace35ks87 24 күн бұрын
😂facts
@fearlesskingdom4051
@fearlesskingdom4051 24 күн бұрын
LeBron is 2nd all time at worst and 1st all time at best. Same for MJ.
@anonymouse6856
@anonymouse6856 24 күн бұрын
@@fearlesskingdom4051 MJ is 1st at worst. LeBron is 2nd at best and 7th at worst. There's no argument for LeBron > MJ
@mathewdavis2427
@mathewdavis2427 24 күн бұрын
Kobe was better than MJ.
@dochudson9393
@dochudson9393 24 күн бұрын
@@anonymouse6856 Sure there are. Longevity for one. Not saying you have to agree, but there are certainly arguments to be made.
@ThoughtsPlural
@ThoughtsPlural 24 күн бұрын
Shaq is absolutely correct on this ☝🏾
@tbd3058
@tbd3058 24 күн бұрын
No he isn’t
@Sam-db4mr
@Sam-db4mr 24 күн бұрын
Kobe AND Kareem should be in the GOAT conversation. Although Jordan is the undisputed GOAT
@wangtang12
@wangtang12 23 күн бұрын
Kobe doesn't belong
@Sam-db4mr
@Sam-db4mr 23 күн бұрын
@@wangtang12 really? Not going to back that up with even one reason? Lazy lol
@wangtang12
@wangtang12 23 күн бұрын
@@Sam-db4mr he can't be the goat if he's not the greatest at his position
@Aphrodite23241
@Aphrodite23241 23 күн бұрын
From 02--010, Kobe should've had more mvps, and was called the best player in the world by Shaq and played like it within that era
@etiennemadore5899
@etiennemadore5899 24 күн бұрын
Kobe is the most skilled basketball player to ever play. He may not be the most accomplished, the strongest, the fastest, etc.. but because of his mastery of the sport yes he is in the GOAT debate. When ranked by NBA players, they ranked Kobe firmly in 3th spot. There's a reason as why he's that high and it's because of his attributes.
@dochudson9393
@dochudson9393 24 күн бұрын
Skip To My Lou had more skill
@straightlead8
@straightlead8 24 күн бұрын
He was second fiddle to shaq... so no.
@infinitewisdom7777
@infinitewisdom7777 24 күн бұрын
"Most skilled" is definitely a reach.. And I love Kobe
@Kendricktimes2
@Kendricktimes2 23 күн бұрын
U can’t have 2 fmvps out of 5 chips and have only 1 mvp and think your in the goat debate not over Duncan in my opinion
@jamesbroady3604
@jamesbroady3604 21 күн бұрын
Jordan was more skilled than Kobe in every area inside the three point line.
@MarcusNewton24
@MarcusNewton24 24 күн бұрын
I’m sick of people disrespecting Kobe like he wasn’t a dog on the court 😈
@tylerwest3161
@tylerwest3161 24 күн бұрын
Nobody said he wasn’t just not the best to the play the game of basketball
@aadeyemi5767
@aadeyemi5767 22 күн бұрын
So much conversation about conversation
@iTuber012
@iTuber012 23 күн бұрын
Magic and LeBron had super teams but they always get a pass... MJ is MJ... No debate there but to just dismiss Kobe? Nah
@NoMansLand24
@NoMansLand24 24 күн бұрын
You can’t have a losing record in the finals and be the goat
@kjjr3270
@kjjr3270 24 күн бұрын
Doesnt make any sense, cause that means the other players got bounced before the finals which is worse. If you a hater just say that. We measure players by their won championships not their finals record, cause you would make yourself look silly
@CarolCityCane305
@CarolCityCane305 23 күн бұрын
@@kjjr3270if this was high school lebron would’ve failed
@nukenubz5087
@nukenubz5087 23 күн бұрын
​@@kjjr3270the other players weren't playing in an historically weak conference with 2 other stars. Lebron being in the finals only once in the west and winning after a 3 month break says a lot.
@NoMansLand24
@NoMansLand24 23 күн бұрын
@@kjjr3270 I said what I said
@pvl6340
@pvl6340 23 күн бұрын
​@@NoMansLand24They never want to have this conversation about the finals record🤣🤣🤣
@narutonguyen
@narutonguyen 24 күн бұрын
Stephen a smith brings up kobe having Shaq, YET any time he makes his top 10 list, he has Magic over Kobe... Did we forget Magic had Kareem , same way Lebron had Kyrie?
@stepheningram9279
@stepheningram9279 20 күн бұрын
Mj and Kobe are the two greatest players of all of time I stand on that
@Nick_T_90
@Nick_T_90 11 күн бұрын
Shaq has become like the guardian of Kobe’s legacy
@Roadrunner0077
@Roadrunner0077 24 күн бұрын
If Kobe wasn't the greatest at his own position then how can he be in the GOAT convo ???
@z-mane1438
@z-mane1438 24 күн бұрын
How many times ur gonna ask that??
@yannickwillems8523
@yannickwillems8523 24 күн бұрын
Fr😂😂​@@z-mane1438
@olaf6529
@olaf6529 24 күн бұрын
⁠@@z-mane1438 do you not have a strong enough response?
@Maxjuliann
@Maxjuliann 24 күн бұрын
Because he is only behind the greatest player ever which makes him second greatest
@z-mane1438
@z-mane1438 24 күн бұрын
@@olaf6529 don’t need one
@LuisMartinez-kh5oz
@LuisMartinez-kh5oz 24 күн бұрын
Kobe’s name will always be brought up when having a debate about the goat and that’s all it matters
@LewisRay-pf2wg
@LewisRay-pf2wg 22 күн бұрын
Athletic top 10 best NBA players all time    1. Michael Jordan    2. LeBron James    3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar    4. Bill Russell    5. Magic Johnson    6. Wilt Chamberlain    7. Larry Bird    8. Shaquille O'Neal    9. Tim Duncan    10. Kobe Bryant         Athletic has Kobe Bryant #10 all time     PPG: LeBron         RPG: LeBron         APG: LeBron         SPG: LeBron         BPG: LeBron         FG%: LeBron         3pt%: LeBron         FT%: Kobe         TS%: LeBron         PER: LeBron         WS/48: LeBron         VORP: LeBron         MVP's: LeBron         FMVP's: LeBron         Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)                LeBron better player then Kobe                 Field goal%        LeBron 50.6%✔️        Kobe 44.7%                Points scored career        LeBron 40,446✔️ (1st all time)        Kobe 33,643                LeBron 1st all time points         Kobe 1st all time missed shots                 Total 3pointers made        LeBron 2,410✔️ (8th all time)        Kobe 1,827                Total Steals career        LeBron 2,270✔️ (8th all time)        Kobe 1,944                Total Blocks career         LeBron 1,110✔️        Kobe 640                Defensive win shares         LeBron 80.71✔️ (10th all time)        Kobe 50.66                Assists Leader         LeBron 1✔️        Kobe 0                Career highs        Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record                 Career highs         LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record                Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters         LeBron 5✔️        Kobe 1                2010 NBA finals         Game 7        Lakers 83 Celtics 79        Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points                 2013 NBA finals         Game 7        Heat 95 Spurs 88        LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points                 Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings                2011 NBA playoffs         Mavericks 4 Lakers 0        Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series                LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings                 Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time Y'all worship a accused R apist Kobe
@popoyuanbro1
@popoyuanbro1 23 күн бұрын
Kobe Belongs in the conversation
@hoopandhands3328
@hoopandhands3328 24 күн бұрын
That court case really screwed Kobe's career in some aspects. That 3/4 year period where the media and sponsors didn't f with him would have been a completely different discussion had that never happened. He probably does beat out Nash for the MVP. He probably doesn't get more help instead of the absolutely garbage that he had.
@therealneal3034
@therealneal3034 24 күн бұрын
I love the fact that Shaq is showing Kobe love. Like, anyone that watched that Lakers era knew about the beef that went on, so Shaq and Kobe patching things up later on and Shaq continuing the love is sadly wholesome.
@akiespady5176
@akiespady5176 24 күн бұрын
How do you lose more than you win and still get to be 2nd all time
@melvinhhcp3615
@melvinhhcp3615 24 күн бұрын
Good question!
@BigKi30
@BigKi30 24 күн бұрын
Exactly
@daquaylenavie3740
@daquaylenavie3740 24 күн бұрын
How do you only have one MVP and think you deserve to be in the goat debate? Also 5 of lebron 6 finals losses came to 2 teams the spurs and warriors who are two of the greatest dynasties in NBA history.
@akiespady5176
@akiespady5176 24 күн бұрын
@@daquaylenavie3740 you know why Kobe and Jordan are better they stopped dynasties from happening and created their own dynasty while y’all make excuses for Bron
@RL-ww5ev
@RL-ww5ev 24 күн бұрын
So then do you have bill Russel #1? He has 11 titles in 12 years. I'm gonna assume you don't yet you hold rings as a way to discredit lebron
@babyyames
@babyyames 22 күн бұрын
Ever since kobe passed the disrespect has been at an all time high 💯 shaq is right , you can’t even have a goat conversation without bringing up Kobe and it’s blasphemy that the media does this to him, god rest his soul😤🤞
@Alex-kq1el
@Alex-kq1el 24 күн бұрын
He’s the only player that was closest to MJ, but he’s not considered in the debate?
@straightlead8
@straightlead8 24 күн бұрын
Style wise maybe. But Jordan was never a sidekick
@WRNIIVIIII
@WRNIIVIIII 24 күн бұрын
mike was never a sidekick
@jimmyconway6080
@jimmyconway6080 23 күн бұрын
Kobe was Diet MJ. It’s not the same
@khensanimakgatholelathyati3918
@khensanimakgatholelathyati3918 23 күн бұрын
It makes no sense, how they debate this.
@JordanisOverrated2
@JordanisOverrated2 23 күн бұрын
Closest in terms of play style, but he was not close as a player. I can’t believe I’m explaining this.
@sirnamejames1992
@sirnamejames1992 24 күн бұрын
SAS needs to stop mentioning bean
@robreeto
@robreeto 20 күн бұрын
I have Kobe before Lebron in the GOAT convo, i have MJ #1
@diomilmendoza6263
@diomilmendoza6263 24 күн бұрын
Thank you JAY WILL!
@choward5430
@choward5430 24 күн бұрын
Kobe had Shaq. Lebron had D Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Shane Battier, Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, Dwight Howard, KCP, and Rajon Rondo.
@Aphrodite23241
@Aphrodite23241 23 күн бұрын
Tell this to Steven A smith and Sportscenter
@choward5430
@choward5430 23 күн бұрын
@@Aphrodite23241 I'd crush Stephen A. Smith and Shannon Sharpe simultaneously in a GOAT debate...WITH VIDEO!
@isaiaheto799
@isaiaheto799 23 күн бұрын
Are any of those players better than shaq?
@isaiaheto799
@isaiaheto799 23 күн бұрын
Kobe had, Dwight Howard in his prime, Steve Nash, pau gasol , Lamar, Andrew Bynum, Ron Artest, Derick Fisher, Julius Randal, Brandon Ingram, nick young, D Russell, Ty lue
@Aphrodite23241
@Aphrodite23241 23 күн бұрын
@@isaiaheto799 none of those guys were in there prime you just listed besides maybe Howard and he wasn't the same player in LA with his back problems which made him never the same again and his career ended in mediocre, comparing those trash players to Brons help is bs
@optimistic1__299
@optimistic1__299 24 күн бұрын
If you look up the definition of GOAT- it’s go show Michael Jordan face 🤣🤣
@dochudson9393
@dochudson9393 24 күн бұрын
I think you got him confused with Wayne Gretzky
@vapaperboi
@vapaperboi 23 күн бұрын
If Kobe plays like Jordan..how is Kobe not second?
@cartierlyles-douglas2481
@cartierlyles-douglas2481 16 күн бұрын
This Kobe slander is crazy 😂😂😂😂😂
@willemsleveille314
@willemsleveille314 24 күн бұрын
This Goat stuff is getting tiresome...
@shardahear6640
@shardahear6640 24 күн бұрын
How about Tim Duncan if Kobe is in it????
@JustTheFacts45
@JustTheFacts45 24 күн бұрын
Nobody thinks either is the goat let's be real
@aarkeshvenkat8002
@aarkeshvenkat8002 22 күн бұрын
Did Stephen A almost say "late great" Kareem Abdul Jabbar 😂😂
@AliouneMNdiaye
@AliouneMNdiaye 21 күн бұрын
I was looking for this commentto make sureit wasn't my imagination 😂
@jacobyjonez9900
@jacobyjonez9900 23 күн бұрын
I can respect what Jwill said but Stephen A smith doesn’t make valid points, he mentions Kobe had Shaq but then goes on to mention Magic & Kareem didn’t they have eachother for 5 of their rings, Kareem also won his other one with Oscar Roberson another all time top 15 player, not to mention all the multiple of superstars Lebron has played with at the same time, then goes on to say the last 4-5 years of his career he missed the playoffs which isn’t true it was the last 3 years and 2 of those years Kobe didn’t even play due to injury. And Kobe has more impact on winning than lebron, playing in the much harder conference beating more 50+ win teams with only one other all star, I could respect Steven a’s opinion more if he actually stated facts
@LewisRay-pf2wg
@LewisRay-pf2wg 22 күн бұрын
Goat 🐐 Jordan > Copycat Kobe       Finals Mvps    Jordan 6✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Rings   Jordan 6✔️   Kobe 5      League Mvps   Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 1      Total Mvps (league and finals)   Jordan 11✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 3      Scoring titles    Jordan 10✔️ (most all time)   Kobe 2      Steals leader    Jordan 3✔️ (1988, 1990, 1993)   Kobe 0      All defensive first team selections    Jordan 9 in 15 years 60% ✔️   Kobe 9 in 20 years 45%      Defensive player of year    Jordan 1✔️ (1988)   Kobe 0      Career Steals    Jordan 2,514✔️   Kobe 1,944      Career blocks    Jordan 893✔️   Kobe 640      Seasons played    Kobe 20   Jordan 15      Points per game (regular season)   Jordan 30.12 ✔️ (1st all time)   Kobe 24.99      Player efficiency rating    Jordan 1st all time ✔️   Kobe 24th all time       Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg career       Seasons average +30 ppg   Jordan 8✔️   Kobe 3      Seasons average +30 ppg on 50% fg    Jordan 5✔️   Kobe 0      3point% (NBA finals)   Jordan 36.8%✔️   Kobe 31.4%      Playoff game winning buzzer beaters    Jordan 3✔️   Kobe 1      Game trying or go ahead shots in 4th quarter last 24 seconds to take lead or tie   Jordan 9-18 fg for 50%✔️   Kobe 7-28 fg for 25%      Jordan way better player then Kobe       Bleacher report NBA top 50 best players all time    1. Michael Jordan    2. LeBron James    3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar    6. Shaquille O'Neal    7. Tim Duncan    14. Kobe Bryant       1991 NBA finals    Bulls 4 Lakers 1   First ring    Jordan 31.2 pts and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt and 6.6 rebs and 11.4 ast and finals mvp       2000 NBA finals    Lakers 4 Pacers 2   First ring    Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg, 20% 3pt   Carried by    Shaq 38.0 pts, 61.1% fg, 16 rebs       Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant 2nd option       Jordan 6 times best player on his teams titles more then Kobe 2 times      2004 NBA finals    Pistons 4 Lakers 1   Kobe 22 pts and 38% fg and 17% 3pt and locked down by Tyshaun Prince       2004 NBA finals    Shaq O'Neal 26 pts and 63% fg and 10 rebs vs Detroit Pistons
@RamonteMeans
@RamonteMeans 24 күн бұрын
So who was helping bron in Miami wasn't that wade a superstar .
@Mari000
@Mari000 24 күн бұрын
And in Cleveland: Kyrie. LA: Davis.
@tomanguyen
@tomanguyen 23 күн бұрын
Yup. D wade. The greatest 3rd shooting guard ever..
@mason2721
@mason2721 23 күн бұрын
Lmfao Shaq is the most dominant player ever, you give Bron shaq that’s 6-7 rings.
@NuradinAlas
@NuradinAlas 24 күн бұрын
Kobe should be in conversation
@lev1ato
@lev1ato 23 күн бұрын
there was also one Laker who was able to block Sky Hook and did few times, Wilt Chamberlain
@Forest5216
@Forest5216 24 күн бұрын
People tend to dislike LeBron because they feel he talks a lot but delivers less than expected, and often refers to himself, no one should call himself "GOAT".
@nbarealtalker
@nbarealtalker 24 күн бұрын
LeBron has failed and choked more than Kobe. I don’t understand why that isn’t factored into the equation.
@TylerH510
@TylerH510 24 күн бұрын
Lebron only choked in 2011. Lebron averages 34/10/7 in elimination games. Kobe averages 22/5/3 in elimination games and Lebron has only played 3/4 more elimination games. Lebron came into the league at 18 and was averaging 20/5/5. Kobe didn’t average 20 till his 3rd season. Lebron 4 finals MVPs > Kobe 2 finals MVPs
@BigKi30
@BigKi30 24 күн бұрын
@@TylerH510ask Jamal Murray if Lebron only choked once .. 😂
@nets4life377
@nets4life377 24 күн бұрын
Kobe averaged 15 in his first finals. Had a terrible performance against the pistons in 04. Blew a 3-1 lead against the suns and gave up. And in 2011 swept after winning a championship. And has not had one career defining finals series like other top 10 greats. And no just winning does not mean he had a an all time great series. Kobe is far from flawless in fact even curry has had better performances in the playoffs.
@BigKi30
@BigKi30 24 күн бұрын
@@nets4life377 Don’t forget about his 5-2 finals record, 3peat and a back to back…
@TylerH510
@TylerH510 24 күн бұрын
@@BigKi30 tell me you’re an ignorant person without telling me you’re an ignorant person🤣 ain’t nobody ever has played as good as Lebron has at age 39. Dude averaged 28/8 and last I checked choking is scoring 8 points and throwing a tantrum like Jamal just did against the wolves🤣
@J32_
@J32_ 24 күн бұрын
I agree. I've always said he belongs there. I was so shocked when Kobe died and so many people argued that he wasn't and has never been in the goat conversation..
@jeromeutitco7952
@jeromeutitco7952 23 күн бұрын
If Kobe and Gigi were still here, Kobe wouldn't care... His focus will be on Gigi being the one in the GOAT conversation
@MURKGOAT860
@MURKGOAT860 23 күн бұрын
It's groundbreaking to leave Kobe out of the goat conversation
@alexzlotowski5685
@alexzlotowski5685 24 күн бұрын
Lebron over Kobe?! 😂 that’s insane
@DJDJ-iu7qr
@DJDJ-iu7qr 24 күн бұрын
What’s insane is u thinking that is a argument. That conversation has been dead for a while when we have goat debates we talk about who? Lebron and MJ. Kobe is right where he needs to be….out the argument
@Mari000
@Mari000 24 күн бұрын
Right? LeBron had way more help than Kobe and still has less rings.
@RamonteMeans
@RamonteMeans 24 күн бұрын
Sounds like hate to me. We all know kobe is better then bron until he gets ring 5
@danLTa1
@danLTa1 24 күн бұрын
If lebron had prime shaw he would have had 8 rings by now
@RamonteMeans
@RamonteMeans 24 күн бұрын
All those arguments are trash
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