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Honestly one of the things I thought was lacking from eu4 was actual utilisation of the resources.

Imperator walked so EU5 could run

Calling it now, AI won't know how to correctly utilize resources and avoid cobstructing good buildings.

I guess what is interesting about this concept is that blockades become more meaningful - for example if you can stop materials arriving in Spain from its colonies then presumably that will force buildings to switch to less efficient production methods

I do not believe that forts totally turn off unless you have literally none of one of the required materials. It says that it won't work "properly," and it's based on the lowest % material you have; so if you're only supplying half of the tar the fort needs, your fort only has 50% effectiveness.

I love when Hawk puts his fingers together and looks into the camera, hes very convincing.

I'm glad they added the concept of demand into the game. You actually have a reason to try and take the spice islands or settle the new world.

Let Johan cook...

13:47 this is awesome. I love the concept of potentially leverage this for economic warfare, crippling an opponent before going all out war!

Looks like economic warfare will be a path too. I love that. Cripple the enemy by focusing on taking the provinces that support their army or forts for example.

One little thing, could you put Chrome into fullscreen (f11 shortcut for it) and zoom in a little. Otherwise, good vid!

Sounds like Victoria with extra steps. I hope the automatic system is good enough no not force every game to turn into micro managing hell.

I have a feeling that a quantum computer will be needed to run this game smoothly

Damn bro is fast as fuck lmao

Seeing all these things makes me think that guides will become more popular than just gameplay

RGO means Resource Gathering Operation, it's a term from Victoria 2.

Real question is how many features will paradox purposely not put in so they can sell it as dlc later

I like it, the one thing lacking in EU4 is a more in depth economy.

The resource thingy really reminds me of the "Trade Goods Expanded" Mod, I like it so far

from everything I know from TT and Johan comments, I am sure this is his masterpiece. Johan said that we have automatisation buttons, and it will work efficiently. but if you want, for example, manipulate prices of goods in markets or provoke a shortage of certain strategic good, it can be done easily in manual way

I love the use of resources. Also, I think it's saying that it's not functioning properly, which implies to me that it loses effectiveness.

I say it now, game will have serious performance issues given it's Paradox.

if victoria 3 took place in middle age.

I think you should start these vids with the previous diaries johan comments. so as to not miss any. also ppl would understand how forts work if they would stop deleting all of theirs. finally love the reviews keep it up.

The buildings will probably be something like in VIC3, where you will have some macro management, to make it easier to play larger nations, while also being able to change production methods of individual buildings

I have your same fears

Love how i can watch the same video from hawk and ludi, and its still entertaining

Man, I guess sieges and blockades will be more complicated now

this sounds really cool in theory, but man do i have some concerns about what it'll be like to play.

The thing I'm most hopeful for (and so far, it looks like Tinto is doing a great job of it) is a departure from the linear gameplay that EU4 has. I so DESPERATELY want to ha e multiple dimensions of gameplay at once and it really looks like EU5 may give me that. Like, hell yeah I want to have resource limitations when I want to build new buildings--that influences me to do X amount of other tasks to procure the resources. The further they depart from linearity the more on board I am :)

If you need a certain good to maintain or even build a building, then that gives you more reasons to want to either trade with someone or conquer territory to gain that resource in a certain direction. I like it. It's another reason to do something.

10:19 That was the cloth... xD What you thought leather was 2 seconds ago.

I'm glad the game is seeming to take all the best parts of imperator and Vicky 3 and fusing it with EU4. As long as the automated management of building works good enough, I think it's going to be great

It would be funny if building management of large countries is made difficult to emulate the administrative challanges of larger countries

Sounds like the buildings will be similar to Imperator system

Europa Universalis V 🚫 Victoria 3.5 ✅

I am glad they're sharing these talks so the community can express the concerns in design for the game, Eu4 is a great game but it does have some large problems, specially in the later part of the game, I hope eu5 will be better :D and strike a satisfying balance between economy, military, diplomacy and technology, to make all nations feel unique and replayable. I do share the concerns about making the market and construction system so complicated, it looks very realistic which is nice but will it be fun? From a design perspective I am not sure of how well this adapts to the core game-play loop we have in eu4, for example you don't need to pause mid-war to look at your market/trade, in eu5 it might be necessary (if the automation AI sucks) and distracting, I hope they can pull it off and not make it feel like you're playing vic3 on one screen and eu4 in the other. The impact of the economy could have too large impact in the game-play loop, for example the AI won't be perfect at building up, if the optimal way to beat them in a war is to build+wait and win economically and not by military strategy or otherwise it might not be as rewarding, just repetitive, would also be sort of boring if the AI just wins because of this. Also there should be a large replacements for production in buildings, just to not make small nations or some regions unplayable just because you don't have some resource, for example not being able to play in America due no metalwork when you could realistically have alternatives (perhaps with some efficiency penalties).

i'm curious to know how religion will work, how you convert provinces/locations

5:00 - I assume is buildings that like increase global settler chance, or the equivalent?

One criticism of these dev diaries is that in an effort to release information in drips/build hype, they make it seem as if all of these details will be actively managed. Most likely you will just accrue all these resources in the course of the game and click a button to upgrade something, or have a negative modifier somewhere and wonder "why is that?" and then fix it. Imagine a dev diary for EU4 that explained army composition- it would seem insanely complicated/micro-manage-y (and it is...) but realistically you only have to engage with it every so often in the actual game.

A new Paradox game is always "too difficult" until you understand it enough to have fun.

i need those damn roads

I wonder if multiple countries would be able to compete for a single location during colonizing, with each nation building in it and sending settlers to try and win a majority of the influence in that location, so that when the colony is "finished" it is "owned" by the nation with the most influence

15:10 it was leather! You saw it a minute ago!

I think we will have to learn ratios of basic resource buildings (e.g.: 5 lumber : 2 quarry : 3 pastorals : 1 smithy) to maximize their numbers for easy growth on closed market. I don't see how PDX's gonna make a genuinely working AI for managing buildings and economy as a whole.

Literally when a mod for EU5 comes out for the victorian era its gonna be the Vicky 3 we should have gotten

this could foster co-op play in same country. one macro and one micro

I wonder if there will actually be warfare in EU5. I hope they don't abandon the core mechanic from the EU series.

I can not wait eu5

I really like the idea of a more dynamic and complex trading system. EU4’s trading system is complex, but not in a good way imo

hundreds of builsings = 10x market places - bazars - markets - for example - 10x forts - motte and bailey - mountain fort w caves (swiss) - i think theres slight diff bonusses and certain cultures / nations have different versions of things - you know - like irl. so itll be a normal amount of buildings with tons of varients for like middle eastern european english vs french vs german versions etc etc. just makes sense - muslims didnt have the same markets as english peasants and vice versa and both sold different things and should have diff bonusses etc. GREWAT SYTEM IF THEYRE DOING THIS. youd have to convert buildings tho potentially or maybe that would be an auto after 1-3 yrs it changes for free who lnows but i like the flavour this will all bring

2:40 "too complicated" still beats eu4's "sort by highest improvement and then spam click til you run out of money

I don't see the Leet year 1337 as starting year.

What I enjoy with EU4 seems to go out the window, I enjoy that while complicated it still felt a bit arcad´y

I hope AI is competent enough at every system this game brings out. Stellaris had (still has?) a problem where they changed so many of the game's systems, the AI actually couldn't keep up, and became so stupid it wasn't even worth conquering their planets, since you'd be forced to fix whatever mess they made. And in order to not collapse every game, they get a lot of bonuses outside the normal difficulty scaling.

Do you think this game will fallow their payment plans? Meaning do you think EU5 will come out bare bones and be piece mealed to a proper first class experience? Or a first class experience then properly boosted with content to enhanced experience?

Im kinda worried it's gonna be like imperator rome, where it tries to do too many things that other paradox games center around. but doesn't quite do any of them amazingly. or they do them ok but it's just too much shit to have to look at.

More micro?

Cool buildings, i wonder if you could build a parliament or you know churches. You know what has churches. Sicily. And sicily is named sicily and not Trinacria and it better be that way for Eu5

EU4 presented mercantilism in a very rudimentary and unintuitive way, while not really simulating a free market at all. The simulation potential for EU5 is limitless, as now we will have a full model of the evolution of capitalism. We will start in a feudal state that runs on subsistence farming then gradually work our way into a proto-industrial capitalistic state, accompanied by what looks like a Vic2 economy system to simulate our changing economy.

imagine how cool it would be if pdx modelled the concept of gunpowder empires using this system resource input/output; for example your the golden horde with a couple cannons in your army blasting through eastern europe unopposed because the Rus' and its dinky wooden forts cant stop you.

List of other random things Johan said in comments: if you occupy a fort, the entire province flips to you (lets goooo) if the estate satisfaction >50%, they can also build buildings that are not estate specific so happy estates can help economy, but you need lower taxes to keep them happy so its a balancing act (nice) worst estate buildings (for player) dont need inputs to prevent player from gaming them into not being built coal exists in 1444 but has few uses. you can build treaty ports in other countries as a building destroying buildings built by estates makes them angry there are unique buildings there may be dynamic change of vegetation in a location, not confirmed by johan but he said it might happen if it worked properly most unique buildings can be used if you conquer a province with it even if you cant build it yourself AI cant cheat ZoC in EU5 If there are multiple castles in a province, you need to occupy all of them for the province to auto flip

I think if you need to bring the ressource to the province if you want to build a building, it's going to be a confusing and buggy mess. Rather do a "You have one wood producing province so you can build one building that needs wood at the same time".

Is that Martin Luther in Italy ? Just a guess

So they try to make it like Victoria

So far : discount Meiou and Taxes (without the 5 years of thinking)

cant wait til they reveal the first 500 DLC'S

Its still work in progress, but i cant say that i like the UI look, utilitarian but rather dull looking.

I'm expecting that a lot of the building stuff can work automatically. There seems to be a free market capitalism thing going on, where production buildings of which the good is in short supply automatically increase production, and if there is an abundance, they'll wind down or even close. I suspect your country functions okay even if you never touch these buildings, but you will have to micromanage where you actually care, like producing a strategic resource regardless of profitability, or making sure there is a castle at a key location. I expect super pro gameplay would be micromanaging every tiny little thing, which would be tedious, but let's be real, it's tedious in EU4 as well. People who do these really insane challenges like "world conquest by 1500" pause the game every day and go over every little thing. One of the reasons I will never be truly exceptional in EU4 is because I can't be bothered putting Byzantium start level of effort into my game at all times. I highly doubt EU5 will be all that different in that regard.

Its looking way too complicated, but not to worry. Super-smart AI will manage things for us where we don't want to!

What if they are avoiding the name "EU5" in Tinto Talks because the game will actually have a different name, so they will checkmate people who complain that it looks too similar to vic3 or imperator, and not like eu4?

sounds alarmingly similar to the unfun failure Victoria 3

they are making another victoria game

It feels like they are using buildings and materials as almost a replacement for development in EU4.

Well, they are creating another NEW game. But I am worried, EUIV is already too much micromanagement, this looks much more, I am worried, EU is about painting map

There are 30 trade goods in EU4.

This is starting to sound more like the Victoria games. And I like that.

70? Is this Anno 1800? Productionchains?

If this game is going to be EU4 with the trade and economy systems from Victoria and Imperator, they can take my money already.

When is a new guide coming

Just more worried that eu5 will just be dull to play and watch. Have to wait for one resource to show up before i can build something. How many dlc's i have to buy to actually make it viable to play. Would have been good if eu4 had a greater number of buildings so you dont get bored in late game. Maybe they are putting eu5 back and gave us another eu4 dlc as they are worried that people will just not want this cross between eu4, imperator and vic.

11:38 It's 1000x simpler than Victoria 3. What are you talking about?

My hype for EU5 is reducing by every Tinto Talks released. The similarities with Vic 3 is increasing by every update, i've given Vic 3 so many chances but it is just too damn boring. Not liking what i see to be honest...

All this looks great to me. My main fear tho is that the AI just isn’t gonna be able to handle these systems. Victoria three’s ai for example is so ridiculously bad at everything that it just kills the game for me.

MEIOU&TAXES!, MIEOU&TAXES!, nut with better UI

I look forward to you playing OBVIOUSLY NOT EU5 when it is released.

this seems very Vicky over EU tbh

I like to conquer and paint the map, Or to get big old stack wipes. This sounds like vicky 3 and I don't like it. I don't want to sit there looking at spread sheets to find out why something is not working. And having played a lot of Stellaris I don't Trust the PDX AI to automate anything. Your also right to be worried about if its going to be boring to watch I don't watch any vicky 3 outside of Bo's Because its him and a bunch of people, Those people make it fun. Anyone playing single player vicky just doesn't get as many views, there's a reason why so many people stopped making videos on it.

I can only hope that EU 5 will not run on 1-2 CPU cores.... That would be absolutly terrible. Otherwise I´m pretty excited for the game. 😀

"larger nations the ottomans" Lol they start as a small beylik and unless some heavy railroading is done by paradox they will get clapped by something bigger more often than not...

isn’t it just victoria 4

Seriously starting to worry eu 5 will be to like imperator Rome. That would be dissaster 😊

all these are mana :(

Uhhh, this whole system sounds like yet another Vicky 3, I'm really afraid they'll overdo it with micro again Some micro is good, I just hope they won't make us do something that would end up just being busy work that could be done without player's supervision

This is far too much micromanagement in a game that already had plenty of micro management. Don't get me wrong, I love detail but if I wanted to manage this much detail, I'd go work in logistics.

DISLIKE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT HYPING IT!!! IT LOOKS EXTREMELY PROMISSING. GET HYPED!!!

21:33 - RGO = Resource Gathering Operations. It is the pops and buildings who extract raw materials.

Europa Victorialis 5

Honestly my biggest fear right now is that EU5, rather than boring, is gonna be waaaay too complicated for even your average EU4 player. I really really hope they´re keeping in mind that not everyone wants a simulation on the level of meiou and taxes (which is clearly what a lot of this is inspired by). I liked that mod, but it never would´ve had a big enough audience to be a succesfull game on its own. I can only assume that the EU5 developers are going to allow you to largely ignore these details by giving you clear, accessible overviews and the ability to let the simulation do things like buying needed goods for you, otherwise I fear the game might be in trouble...