How sure are you this post is about EU5? I’m pretty sure! Check out the post yourself: forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-1-february-28th-2024.1625360

Honestly, just want Eu5 to have the ability to quit the game without restarting the whole bloody thing.

I look forward to a threadbare map painter that takes 5 DLCs to be satisfying

Can't wait to buy the dlc all over again...

the time the dev dairy was posted was 14:53, so I think that alone pretty much confirms it is for EU5 unless Johan is massively trolling us lol

Bro i really believed in it when i clicked

ah this is the 4th consecutive last dlc of eu4, looking forward to the next one

Johan has said he wants pops in EU5. He tested it out in EU4 when they were designing development, but EU4 couldn’t handle them.

EU5 MUST have a mapmode for every conceivable type of information. I hate how restricted the map modes are in ck3.

I hope they keep mission trees, they help me focus on how to roughly play as a nation. Not a huge fan of games without a sort of direction to steer into

Post was posted at 14:53. Coincidence? Don't think so.

It must be: March of the Eagles 2!

First point on vision is wild. EU4 is, INCREDIBLY abstracted and non-elegent in its pretty gamey mechanics. It is very heavily reliant also on systems piled on systems rather than mechanics arising from natural interactions between systems. I think it would be incredibly hard for that to be attainable. Now they can make it a bit less abstracted for sure, but I think from the engine-level the whole thing will be fighting them the whole way

actually, I think that mana does fit the 'believable' thing personally, if it was portrayed as a representation of the power your country/ruler/governemnt/whatever is able to exert basically

I have been BAMBOOZLED, but I am EXCITED

A to Z on how to not announce EU5 properly

Tis most certainly Imperitor II

Red "Strengthen Noble Clickbaits" Hawk

The grappes field and wine make me tought that the new game may be Imperator Rome II

I would absolutely love nothing else than to zoom from political to geographic like in Vic3 and Ck3. It just adds so much life to the map and reminds you that these provinces are natural landscapes and not just a colored blob of the state.

I actually audibly said "Holy Shit" when I say the title. Slight clickbait but very interesting!

Though I don’t want pops I would like battles and troop losses to feel more impactful rather than chasing ai across the world to stack wipe 10k troops just for 20k more to replace them instantly.

I wish that it's a reboot or major work done on Imperator. I really want a good Rome map painting game

Cesar was never an emperor, but his name was used to title them along Augustus.

I think paradox is going to have to deal with the issue of consumer’s continuing to play older titles over newer ones. It’ll have to be a big improvement

The picture with the olive oli (And the olive tree), raisin and bread are the three pillars of Mediterranean agriculture...

imperator rome mission tree is also interesting. you have the capacity to choose which region you want to focus at the time. you can go carthage, greece, alps which one suits for you the best at that time. when you choose one place the othe mission trees get blocked and you cant select them without finishing the one at the hand.

The thing i want more than anything in the world: a pop up and explanation of things happening like when an enemy's ally joins a war 6 months after it starts or a world power joins against you. Right now the only way to know is when french troops start ripping through northern Spain. And that's another thing, this game gives me pop ups when random nations across the world do meaningless things but there's no notification that half my country is taken by the enemy i didn't know i was at war with.

The bit about dev diaries being mostly marketing tools was inspired. It seems they need the next game to do well and at least they are taking is seriously, even if they are making poor Johan jump through some hoops to get feedback.

I would love an EU5, but it also scares me. I think of CK3, when it came out it was fun but so bare bones. They have added so much content, but it took a while. EU5 could be the same. I don't want to see it go the ways of Imperator Rome. It has to have a lot of the similar mechanics, then DLC to update it based on what players would want. If EU4 is all they make, and they just drop a DLC or two every year, I don't mind that. Also, I am with Hawk, no pops for EU5!

it does make sense. eu iv is 11 years old by now

i think manpower should be more province based so if you replenish or recruit it takes from that areas pool of people instead of a giant manpower box to pull from.

i hope they add makro button day one like swap all state edict to or checking political map mode or diplo on peacedeal screen

I just want EU4 on the new engine so the game doesn't chug past 1600's and in multiplayer.

See you all really think it's EU5, but me a real big brain knows its Imperator: Rome 2.

Honestly clickbait aside, you're definitely right.

Could be a new IP? I think it would be weird with so much DLC releasing for EU4 to go right into EU5.

Love your vids Redhawk

The easiest way to deal with mana, is by inverting it, having a capacity pool that activities eat into at different rates. Instead of having administration points, you have administration capacity and activities will use amounts of that capacity for a timeperiod, perhaps with an accellerated variant that increases the capacity use but shortens duration

hopeful for eu5 but wondering if theyre using ambiguous eu5 hype to push a completely different game

I do software development, and getting a new team up to speed on the legacy project (eu4) before implementing the new project (eu5) just makes sense. Also, just shout out to the first DLC Tinto did. They had some modifiers backwards (it added AE, etc), horribly unique mission scripting that did not work well, and it was poorly received. I think they had a hotfix out within a day or two that I KNEW was a patch in progress they did not finish that sprint. This has changed dramatically with recent DLC, imo, and I am very excited to see what they come out with starting over.

I would really like for there to be two or three start dates, like in CK3, so that you can have challenges starting at one of them, rather than the infinite choice of EU4, where you have so many options it is easier to just start in 1444.

I think changes could be made to the way casus belli work. Rather than just restricting what concessions a player can get from their enemy at the end of a war, it might also restrict what areas a war is fought in? Somewhat similar to how in EU4, wars fought by or between colonial nations don't necessarily have to involve the overlords nor require the natives to cross the Atlantic to acquire the warscore necessary for a white peace. . So, for example, a border conflict occurring in the Alps, both sides can only deploy troops to that province or state and it's immediate surroundings, and they either wouldn't be allowed to carpet siege the other's overseas territories for free extra warscore, or doing so would incur major aggressive expansion and war exhaustion penalties... At least not until later in the game where the nature of war changes, technology and logistical methods become advanced enough to enable such things. Even into the modern day, something like the Korean war, wherein everyone understood that is what the war was about and that is where it was fought. Yet if EU4 rules were applied, the UN allies could have just moved troops from Hong Kong and Taiwan to overtake China's southern territories without any domestic or international repercussions. Or, South Korea gets full occupied while the AI is trying to siege Canton.

For believability, it would be nice to see more resources like stone, wood, etc and immersing the trade goods

Talking about mana points mechanic, makes me remember that i loved Imperator Rome when this game actually had mana points XD

>they didn't mention jaunpur and balkan countries in the dev diary

plot twist, it's some other installment of Imperator

I'm gonna make a non-standard prediction and rather than EUV, I'll bet on a Europa spinoff instead. Like, imagine a Civilization Revolution type game for Europa Universalis, where you get a shorter, simpler version of a game still capturing the series's spirit and much less imposing & more accessible to a player new to the franchise.

This battle about dev should be a priority, for me at least. Mana is a tool, good, predictable, reliable tool. But my biggest concern, discouraging from playing post-late 1500/early 1600 is watching random mantua or kostanz beeing literally cities of world's desire with like extra 25-30 devclicks, with some extra spice like tax dev in cow province and extra manpower in cloth one. I know about growning towns and cities, first proto-industrialisation, urbanisation, it should be visible, but seeing random Bretagne state have doubled, tripled dev into 100-150 years is depressing for casual, non-tryhard hindu oirat-kongo-russia malta forts run. How about this? Keep the dev/mana system in EU5, but let us develop provinces by time, in like three or five years. Boosting it will cost mana and money or manpower like GP in EU4. Also you can co-op this feature with buildings. Get a church - you getting extra admin dev in a year after, same for workshops or baracks.

Could be EU5, could be a live-service FPS PvPvE. With the state of modern AA/AAA devs, who knows.

This truly is some troubling news

It will be awesome if you have the option of fight some of your battles like in Total War

Kinda hoping for something similar to Meiou and Taxes, though hopefully far more understandable.

remember when you could manually give out provinces to the estates? good times

If they can do what they did with CK3- incorporate the big features from the previous game's DLC into the new base game, make it actually run well with full support for multi threading and listen to community feedback then I'mma be hyped. I hope they keep missions, government reforms and estates and implement some features from Imperator Rome- I'd rather have actual pops and percentage modifiers than development and mana.

presenting to you... sengoku 2!

I would love a pops mechanic in a Eu5, would be amazing to feel the toll of war or prosperity in the people of the realms you make.

If they used the last DLCs to test mechanics of release EU5 I am very hopeful it will be good.

I would love the start date being 1415, because for me it means you can engage more in 100 years war (normandy landing, joan of arc), burning of jan hus and hussite revolution, have better start for byzantine, conquest of ceuta for portugal, conspiracies against Henry V in England. There was so much happening before the 1444 start date that would be great to play. Also they could make it shorter, ending in 1650 after the thirty years war, giving them space for another potential game and more time and effort could be given to this 250 year period.

Sitges is a town near Barcelona.

I and still hoping that they split the scope of EU into two seperate games somewhere around the peace of westphalia given how few campaigns are played past the mid 1600s. And it would also be a lot of fun for there to be a new title designed aroud a mid 17th century start (yes, I was once a big empire total war enjoyer)

When it comes to EU5 I think the focus should be more spreadsheet like than gameplay. I feel like so much of what grand stat players like it seeing numbers get bigger

I pray to god there isn’t 1000$ of dlc in eu5…. They just doubled the prices for the subscription to all the eu4 dlc and now I can’t even enjoy the game without paying more then what a triple A game is priced at every year…

The pronunciation of the catalan city "Sitges" could be something like "seat-chess" hahaha

They should keep whatever mission and focus that is already on EU4, but I think mechanic like expel minority and attack native is useful, sometimes I just want to get rid of the natives so that the natives wouldn't attack my colony. They should work on the battle mechanic, more soldier types, and province development. It would be cool to have buildings which allow transforming terrain (woods, jungle, forest to grassland, grassland to farmland, marsh to grassland) climate changing terrain (glacial tundra grassland) (Grassland Dry land Desert Savanah Jungle), and digging canal, navigable river for small boats, also building infrastructure like roads to allow faster movement of troops and walls which will require sieges like blowing a hole to pass. So essentially, making playing tall more interesting.

I hope so, I wanted to start playing EU4 but its just not stable on my PC. And I have a nice new high powered PC.

Appreciate the video. Nice to be kept up to date, hope to see more of this 😁

On the last portion of your video; EU5 start date has to have 1600s-1800s that is where the name of the game actually happens.

Domination focused on multiple regions of the world in just saying I think we’re getting this one and another after that

Honestly I don't see why pops and mana have to be mutually exclusive; have the former be the main driver behind manpower, military recruitment and (most) economic functions, and the latter the main decider for things like technology, administration, internal stability and expansion. Sure you'd need to make some changes to things like development and autonomy to make it all work together, but that seems perfectly doable for a brand new game.

That would be possible, after many years, it's time to talk of the map painter V. What I would like to see, in EU4 or in the soon to be EU5, to give some love to the americas, as a salvadorian, i hope for at least, national ideas for the federal republic of central america plz 🙏

if this is an eu5 announcement, then id be curious to see how the fans react to this new approach. cause avoiding abstraction and eu4 are two words that don't usually go in the same sentence, so id be intrigued to see whether this new game actually rejects the metagaming of eu4

I want an earlier start date for Eu5, I hope it’s something that balances the regions in a way where no one power is guaranteed to blob every game (looking at you Ottomans and Spain)

I think you are probably right, but I cannot help think that it could maybe also be Imperator II...

I personally hate Vic3 zooming and Vic3 combat. Zooming will not prevent me buying, Vic3 combat will hard lock prevent me from buying.

Bro explains why he does clickbait. It's the quality

Vou ficar abandonado, jogando eu4 sozinho? RedHawk, não nos abandone!

It is for sure game that will be announced in September 2024. They would not start dev diaries to announce game in September 2025.

I even yet to fully comprehend how to properly play EU4 but now with EU5 perhaps i can be less of a noob.

Magna Mundi is finally coming out!!!

One thing I would love to see from EU5 is more dynamic flags or choices regarding them. Maybe not in the sense of Vicky 3 as the timeframe is different, but I really do not like the simplified colonial nation flags for example. Also maybe some sort of more "vassal"-esque trade companies, more in line with the EIC from EU4 and the upcoming VOC.

March of the Eagles 2 confirmed?

I loved that you can play any day in game but damn was it buggy.

PDX Tinto are so impressed with John Kiely that they've started working on a hurling management sim, a la Football Manager. That's my guess and I'm sticking to it.😋

I'm ready for another 10 years of DLC, though I have to get promoted at work to be able to afford it :/

I really want this to be about Imperator 2 to troll the community.

i think that a population system that ties into a dev mechanic like CK3's would be better than buying dev with mana, i remember play a ck3 mod that introduced population and tied into the dev like this, that the more dev you have the more pop that tile can support and vice versa, so if you lose a lot of population, like Constantinople did after the 4th crusade, you start losing your dev as well

Thinking of getting a second hand Steam Deck to reacquaint myself with EU4 if this really is the LAST update. Haven't played in years or logged in at all this year. Life, laptops and music stuff got in the way. Anyone else using a Steam Deck for EU 4 without problems? If this is the last update then it might be time for me to boot back in again. Navarre shall rise again

I wish they would work on Imperator again. The game is actually so good. Just need some more content and polish

good, we're getting (relatively) close to the end with A to Z.

ok, don't burn me for heresy, but... What if the game become more than a map painting simulator? Like focused on the court room, on the city view and so on?

They can still improve the AI stuff and vassal stuff in EU4. But EU5 is probably a good time. There are some cooler mechanics that can be brought in from HOI4 and perhaps more like changing crops if another is more in demand. Then separate ores from surface products too

Its definetly March of the Eagles 2 lets be real

I really like the political to geographic map zoom

I hope that EU5 takes some inspiration from Victoria 3 in regards to colonization. I don't think the Victoria 3 system is perfect, obviously, but I think it's more interesting than the EU4 way of sending colonists. I like the way the borders are dynamic and it feels like it is 'growing' in Victoria.

It's just one year since I started playing EU4 and I've already bought all the DLCs because I'd play it forever, so I hope we are not speaking about EU5 coming soon 🤣 Anyway, in case, my hope is to have more comprehensible trade mechanics, no gov capacity and a better colonial system...don't know why but there is something that I don't like with the current situation... Great video, as always

A part of me wants some sort of representation of population, without too much of a focus, I would like to see provinces dynamically grow and shrink based on buildings, wars, devastation, prosperity, etc. I think as the government we should be able to influence it to some extent, but I would like the game to be completely playable while completely ignoring the population management similar to Estates, while it's better to use the system, you can play the game almost completely ignoring it as long as you have enough crown land. I am fine with some mana system, as long as it isn't used for literally every game mechanic, I would especially like to see a more fluid and dynamic stability system, the current one doesn't really make sense and is kind of boring.

I’m excited for eu5. I don’t think that the release will be as bare bones as previous games. Eu5 is going to have a huge group of eu4 players and new potential players that they won’t want to drop the ball on this one. EU4 had been the flagship of paradox and to screw up on EU5 would be a major blunder on Paradox.

I would buy it in a Heartbeat. Eu4 is a core part of my childhood and growing up. Same for hoi4 and stellaris

YOU LIED TO ME WITH THE BAIT , im impressed , liked