EU5 - How will GOVERNMENTS work?

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Europa Universalis V has not been announced officially yet, but it's fair to say that the cat is out of the bag - the game is coming and it is being developed by Paradox Tinto under the supervision of Johan Andersson!
I condensed all of the info we have on the game so far be it about the design, the start date, the map or the population system!
00:00 Intro
00:29 Start Date Confirmed?
02:36 Why Does Government Matter?
03:38 Government Types
04:19 Government Flavour Names
05:19 Estates Mechanic
06:55 Government Reforms
08:24 Laws
11:49 Parliaments
13:22 Cabinet (CK in EU?)
14:43 Domestic Policies
17:00 Conclusions!
#eu5

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@OneProudBavarian 2 ай бұрын

Check out today's Tinto Talks post here: forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-4-march-20th-2024.1636860/

@Threxer 2 ай бұрын

We're so confident that it is EU V that we're completely forgetting the obvious choice, March of the Eagles 2: Judgement Day

@Rofflestomper 2 ай бұрын

Let’s face it: if paradox ever does something like this the fan base would implode.

@ordinalchaos 2 ай бұрын

March Harder

@JG-vh6oy 2 ай бұрын

April of the Eagles

@kingmasterfilip2965 2 ай бұрын

It would either be a smart marketing decision as people would buy it ironically, or disaster as its relatively unknown title for ppl not a part of Paradox community

@JohnDoe-sw1rs 2 ай бұрын

What if they released a fake trailer for that on April Fools

@RKGrizz 2 ай бұрын

EU5 seems to have learned a lot from the lessons of Imperator. At least it sounds like they have taken the feedback to heart.

@inspector_beyond 2 ай бұрын

I mean, Johan got all the shit for Imperator's failure, so he definitely changed from his game boardy game design to simulation that players actually want these games to be.

@ShadowDragon1848 2 ай бұрын

Hmmmmmmmmm I hope so. There games and dlcs of he last time were quite lackluster. Yes, there are a lof of mega negative people. But they have a point. I really really wish you´re right.

@taoflo8015 2 ай бұрын

@@inspector_beyond victoria 3 is ass too

@rixyarbrough1702 2 ай бұрын

shoutout to "British Britain" in the background

@Rofflestomper 2 ай бұрын

What about Castile neighboring Spain? I feel that deserves some recognition.

@Hungryboi-ey1ct 2 ай бұрын

pointed that out last vide0

@revilokid 2 ай бұрын

@@Hoppelite can stay in the past forever buddy. We must move forward 🫡.

@TomfooleryOfTheTrolls 2 ай бұрын

Who else would own it?

@whoisjoe5610 2 ай бұрын

@@Hoppelite Pridain belongs to the celts doe beit

@phantomimmortal9962 2 ай бұрын

9:30 there's a mod in CK3 that does this sort of thing! It's called Dynamic Regency, it looks at a number of factors around your regent and their relation to you and gives them an equilibrium point on the Scales of Power. Sometimes it's quite high so you don't want to go traveling for years at a time!

@mythicalthezeraora1416 2 ай бұрын

Listening to what he is saying while watching Austria dominate everyone in the background. 😂

@frankiecedeno3724 2 ай бұрын

Very difficult to pay attention Ngl, and if course wtf was that Spain and Castile existing?

@zelkovas 2 ай бұрын

It looks like Zoro-Austrians lol

@doesnotreallymatterr 2 ай бұрын

LMAO, I paused the video and looked for this comment, like wtf is even happening on the map. 🤣🤣🤣

@user-vx9mr7zk1n 2 ай бұрын

austrian russia is just the best part XD

@Ezullof 2 ай бұрын

I like the focus on laws and reforms for the governments. It's really appropriate for the theme of the game (building a state in the modern era), and it's reassuring regarding the vision that Johan has for the game.

@Zwijger 2 ай бұрын

Imperator 2: Universalis Boogaloo What if that is the actual game we seeing here?

@tierfreund780 2 ай бұрын

If estates are dynamic enough they could be a good opportunity for flavor and societal strategy. like it would be cool if when the slider is too far toward serfdom then you don't have a peasant estate, or have the option of abolishing your peasant estate, but if the slider is all the way at free peasants you have a strong peasant estate. Or if your playing Scotland it would be really cool to have a Clans estate that is mostly supported by Gaelic nobles and peasants, but also have a standard European Nobility estate that is supported by Scots nobles. I hope religion culture and class are all relevant to estate support.

@Cruxador 2 ай бұрын

Regarding the thing about not all countries caring about owning locations, I interpret that as indicating that you can play as nomads now, in a way that's designed from the ground up rather than hacked into the engine by just abandoning provinces.

@aruik8332 2 ай бұрын

The more I hear about EU5 the more I get excited about the game, can't wait for release date to be revealed. And I love how much of a behemoth Austria is in theese timelapses :DDD

@jeppehansen16 2 ай бұрын

I really hope it has more of EU4s content than CK3 did from CK2. While ck3 has added alot of things ck2 never did it is still missing alot of things from ck2(nomads, republics, silk road, societies)

@Ezullof 2 ай бұрын

The features you mention were all terrible for different reasons, though, reasons why they weren't kept. Nomads were insanely broken past the first years in game, and they didn't even feel like nomads. You just spent some time centralizing your realm like an absolute monarch, then you tributarized all your neighbours to become the richest ruler in the world like a king from Mali. Republics were just their own minigame that tended to snowball even faster than feudal realms. You just spammed kids. That was the republic gameplay. The Silk Road was ok... but it also wasn't dynamic enough and was largely ignorable. The building system in CK3 is vastly superior to CK2's anyway, and I'm sure they'll come up with better trade mechanics for CK3. Societies were probably the most anachronistic addition to CK2. Most of them are just fantasy (being a necromancer or a fantasy alchemist). The others weren't especially good either. Religious secret societies were both ahistorical and insanely broken (want to convert an entire empire to a pagan religion? easy, just form a secret society!). There was also no troubadour society, which is insane because it would literally be the most fitting kind for the gameplay societies had. But no, I guess that being a demonic necromancer was more important. It would have been a mistake to port all of those to CK3 without reworking them extensively. Societies in particular need to be replaced by religious orders active on the map and interacting with political powers and similar actual, historical groups. I didn't play EU4 for years now but I doubt that every feature in EU4 is worth porting to EU5. Making a sequel is a good opportunity to keep all the good stuff and rework the rest in the future (something that Stellaris should absolutely do now, anyway). Now of course it doesn't mean that nothing at all should be ported, but I think it's important to not be too attached to everything in EU4. If you just want an upgraded EU4, then you should play EU4 with mods.

@TheHentaiguy21 2 ай бұрын

@@Ezullof No, they really weren't that terrible.

@frankiecedeno3724 2 ай бұрын

Yeah they need to get added to 3 like they were added to 2. If CK3 had everything then it would be released as a $200 game in 2028

@buddyltd 2 ай бұрын

I like the fact that CK3 isn't adding everything at once. Of course I'd like to play as a republic, but with the unlanded play teased in the next expansion, there's every chance that the play style for republics in CK3 will be much more interesting than they were in CK2. Moreover, I love how each new feature interacts with all the others. The potential is there for CK3 to far surpass CK2 in just a few years, while still having most of the features we loved in CK2 and more.

@Liberater4589 2 ай бұрын

cannot express how happy i am to see they are taking seriously the titles for countries, even though it isnt on the map I really like how in eu4 i can hover over flag and see the full official title of a country, it just really gives a sense of immersion and connection to the specific form of your country that you have based on your government

@AlienTreeGuy 2 ай бұрын

Theres a mod for EU 4 that does that, which I never play without :P

@Liberater4589 2 ай бұрын

I need the name NOW@@AlienTreeGuy

@Boleslav4 2 ай бұрын

As a proud Bohemian, 1337 is a welcome date - right before the country went through its golden period.

@Dodovacer Ай бұрын

Haus Luxembourg intensifies.

@Boleslav4 Ай бұрын

@@Dodovacer I do not deny it. But John is about to die and under Charles, who moved his seat to power to Bohemia, the country became a powerhouse. The looming hussite movement which is about a century away makes the tag interesting choice either way.

@chromium8135 2 ай бұрын

Great vid OPB! I think It would be interesting if EU5 introduced characters in a similar way to VIC3's interest groups, but with powerful families/individuals vying to influence the direction of your nations policy in interesting ways. It would be a really cool way to make your nation feel lived in rather than simply a vehicle for map blobbing.

@user-lw9wu8dl4o 2 ай бұрын

Very interesting stuff. Also think it'd be cool to see you use Meiou and Taxes footage for the b-roll since they start at the new starting date and would give viewers a better idea of how the new map might look like.

@daturtlez 2 ай бұрын

Honestly, one of the main things I want from the game is to just not have the drop-down box that vic 3 and ck3 have do I can see all the issues with my nation without opening a menu

@antorseax9492 2 ай бұрын

11:11 Aragon is Castille?

@SunInsanity 2 ай бұрын

Just a comment for appreciation of the red progress bars when you bring up content snips :)

@theautomaticfiend 2 ай бұрын

Mandate of heaven was wiat i thought of regarding country names not being tied to owning a peice of land. Take the mandate = country name changes to dynasty name

@TemplarWarden 2 ай бұрын

With all this dynamic changing, decision stuff in the government, I'm wondering how cultures will work. How static will they be and how dynamic. I like both and do hope they're more like how cultures function in CK3. Although I also like National Ideas in EU 4 too. At the same time too many choices and options may force the game too much into player control and accidentally homogenize them.

@at_ur_service4311 2 ай бұрын

Forget about EU5, what is Austria doing in the background 💀?

@mvalthegamer2450 2 ай бұрын

AEIOU

@RasakBlood 2 ай бұрын

The more i can make the nation "my own" so to speak the better. Also more meaningful peace time and political options. We all like to map paint. But i like some other stuff along it. Luckily they have trended in that direction for most of EU4s life so i expect them to deliver. Another hope is that they make military development more interesting. It would be nice if cav was relevant for nations without overwhelming bonuses for example. And not just always a mechanical disadvantage.

@jorgovan-ni9kz 2 ай бұрын

One proud Bavarian guy who always gives his opinion and showcases new paradox games. Although i didn't see much of his gameplay from eu4. Although i don't really mind or care for his videos, they can be whatever he wants 😃

@TeloMovies 2 ай бұрын

what is this comment xD

@jorgovan-ni9kz 2 ай бұрын

@@TeloMovies idk, in the moment i made this comment 😃😆

@Dodovacer Ай бұрын

From a world historic perspective, this start date would not only include the global spread of the plague, but also the whole hundred year's war, the collapse of the Mongol successor states and also the red turban rebellion(s) in Yuan-China with the following rise of the Ming Dynasty. I would consider it a far more dynamic start - entities like England, Burgundy, Byzantium, HRE (crucially, the startdate would predate the Habsburger's dominance and the empire would be under Wittelsbach with Haus Luxembourg as strong contender!) and the Turks/Ottomans could develop very differently and there would be (possible) different scenarios for China, depending which rebel leader is successful or if the Yuan can maintain control (a bit of a Timurid scenario) etc. As someone with a preference for the middle ages, but who likes more the style of EU4 and has interest in historic East Asia too, this is by far the greatest start date - with many exciting options. Lets hope for the best.

@texastacoss 2 ай бұрын

Age of history IV is coming out, Mr.Bavarian. there is a lot of developer content concernjng it and it looks promising! Perhaps check it out soon!

@OneProudBavarian 2 ай бұрын

Is there a release date for Age of History III yet? I am keeping up with that, but haven't seen anything about content creator access/written dev diaries or a proper release date yet!

@darmocat 2 ай бұрын

I'm a weirdo who is still on patch 1.18 with the Rights of Man DLC (skipped Mare Nostrum). Maybe once EU5 comes out I'll get all the DLC for EU4.

@PersonOfTheInternet280 2 ай бұрын

Did anyone else stop listening to see the amazing game AI Austria was having?

@SNWWRNNG 2 ай бұрын

Despite how exciting a new start date is, I'm really hoping for multiple start dates like in past games with 1444 as one of the options.

@neptun6761 2 ай бұрын

Would love to see hybrid cultures And asimilated where you can see what influences a certain culture had

@axo4383 2 ай бұрын

I hope this game is more compact instead of being filler RNG for do this or do that.

@SupremeNoob3231 2 ай бұрын

I’m concerned with peacetime gameplay. Hopefully the estates will spearhead that, especially if we are getting an extra 100 years to the game timeline.

@TheHentaiguy21 2 ай бұрын

honestly, depending how you play EU4 there is very little peacetime anyways, but would be interested how they could expand some tall gameplay in eu5

@RasakBlood 2 ай бұрын

Really? I want it to. But the entire development cycle of eu4 was more or less adding more peace time stuff. If we like what they do is an open question but i have no doubt they will add more of it.

@paulie-g 2 ай бұрын

@@RasakBloodThe big question is "do we cater to the core audience who want EU to be a map painting + blobbing game with everything else in service of that" or "do we make a deeper simulation that encourages different gameplay styles including tall/peacetime/development and risk no longer catering to the map painting/blobbing enthusiasts".

@mausklick1635 2 ай бұрын

I really liked them sliders in hoi2 specifically.

@richardh8543 2 ай бұрын

Map in 2:06 was made by Cyowari. Rest in Peace.

@Eldiran1 2 ай бұрын

Okay i'm going to stay on the train of tinto talk, narrated by one proud bavarian. I remenber watching every week about dev diaries of CK III here, it was good times : ) See you next week folk.

@EER0000 2 ай бұрын

The progress things remind me of eu3, I’m looking forward!

@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500 2 ай бұрын

Still hoping for 1356 just to spite the Yuan dynasty

@Admiral_Apparent 2 ай бұрын

I understand they are a service and need to make money. But I still hope nonetheless they put in a good number of mission trees for a good number of places. Yes they are sometimes a pain in the butt. But they help guide the campaign and add flavor.

@apirateoftheair 2 ай бұрын

Very possible we end up with a clean 500 years of gameplay from 1337 to 1837 if they want to link up with Victoria. Seems really ambitious, but so does everything else about EU5 so it would fit

@bidzo3697 2 ай бұрын

my favourite tile is rustavi

@kekman1997 2 ай бұрын

gibts in eu5 dann auch Oktoberfest?

@Ratich 2 ай бұрын

This timeline is so cursed, as well as seeing Spain and Castille exist at the same time

@randomperson6988 2 ай бұрын

That would be so cool if advisors were apart of estates and pushed their agenda. Or just had agendas to push in general, whether regional, cultural, religious or other

@Nightmare78hAlo 2 ай бұрын

EU4 was my first PDX game but for me it became their weakest game over time as i jumped into other titles (vicky,ck,hoi) due to the fact it doesn't do anything particularly well, especially in regards of managing your lands, trade and people during peace times which turns the game often into just waiting to declare the next war, yet wars them selves are also not enjoyable at all because the combat is not really fun. Victoria has the trading,politics and economical aspect covered well , Hears Of Iron has the war/combat aspect covered well, Crusader Kings has the characters and role play aspect covered very well meanwhile EU just kinda does most of it ok-ish but doesn't succeed in doing anything really well at all ,it has no major selling point or strong pillar for me. So seeing them trying to actually expand some of these aspects more so there's more fleshed out interesting things to do potentially during peace times it so far a good , i do hope the war aspect will also get a good fun shake up , imperator's war system is something I'd be fine with them mimicking to a certain degree in that aspect , that game also had a more enjoyable war system than EU4 or maybe something really new and fresh , anything but the exact same old statue que EU4 combat/war design.

@commanderketchup5197 2 ай бұрын

I hope this game delivers on the high expectations we are already setting for it

@Ezullof 2 ай бұрын

Yeah honestly the overhype I'm noticing here and elsewhere, combined with the fact that they plan to release a LOT of dev diaries before release, that's not a great sign. Let's remember that Imperator was also overhyped that way for a long time. Not to mention the insane hype that people had with Stellaris, imagining crazy interactions and systems from a few vague words written by Wiz. There are definitely some nice things in the last dev diary, but hopefully they manage the hype to reasonable levels.

@tomsneddon1096 2 ай бұрын

Sounds excellent. Honestly, all this talk of organic societal development sounds to me like they played some MEIOUandT and thought 'yep, this is the way'.

@tkg__ 2 ай бұрын

I think they'll drop the name of Europa Universalis.

@user-em5nm5cv7d 2 ай бұрын

SKANDERBEG ❤

@Solmyr77 2 ай бұрын

I hope they have some mechanics for decline of large empires. Otherwise we will have a massive AI Byzantium in the 1700s in every game.

@AnrachPlays 2 ай бұрын

Do you think that in light of this we might see CK3 have its end date reduced in a future patch? As it stands there's nothing to do late game and it doesn't seem like they have any plans for a later start date (I had always thought a 1337 bookmark would be good for CK3 though if they ever expanded the map). I don't think many people play to 1400, let alone the very end date, and I don't hear many people talk about enjoying the experience when they do.

@nyanko2077 2 ай бұрын

It would be so cool if the game started in 1337. Cause it would mean Robert d'Artois, the main character of the saga Les rois maudits would still be alive.

@brucebanner5247 2 ай бұрын

Ludi et Historia says eu5 starts in 1356

@Gabe-fq3zd 2 ай бұрын

really great video and dev diary but kudos to austria eating the world up

@skudrinskis 2 ай бұрын

Austria 'hugging'''' Poland and Lithuania, and kinda Ottomans

@Cheesechunkz 2 ай бұрын

So like, as sure as we are that it's EU5, isn't it possible they'll want to change the name? There could be a concern that "Europa Universalis" might be too euro-centric of a title

@OrkosUA 2 ай бұрын

That's the neat part - they won't :D

@dima9171 2 ай бұрын

Sad how this game will have detailed provicnes and pops on provicne levels, but vicky 3 has it on state level. + no warfare on province level but all abstraction. Dissapointed, feels like vicky was used as an experiment.

@user-qz5hj6ex3t 2 ай бұрын

why Austria so strong????

@TemplarWarden 2 ай бұрын

EU5 sounding more and more like Victoria 2

@user-em5nm5cv7d 2 ай бұрын

BERAT ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

@TexGaming 2 ай бұрын

13:00 How tf is there Spain and Castile??? 😂 I love EU4

@haukionkannel 2 ай бұрын

Seems a lot like Victoria3 in many ways.

@mehmeteking 2 ай бұрын

Suddenly the Ottomans is not so easy :)

@IAmMrGreat 2 ай бұрын

I hate parliaments in EU4, they're great while you're a small country but when you get more than 5 seats it just annoys me to click through.

@xModerax 2 ай бұрын

Johan calling them shit made my day 😂

@S.Gamedev-zc2wp 2 ай бұрын

I bet they made the start date just because 1337

@nonomen6665 2 ай бұрын

My opinion is that it's going to be EU5, but they're not going to call it EU5. It'll be a "series reboot" of sorts, and as a part of that it'll have a new title.

@haukionkannel 2 ай бұрын

Makes sense… ”I don`t want to buy EU5 again with all DLC” customers whining ”This is not EU5! This in The history of Kindoms” customers Service ansver… 😂😂

@tamerlane9889 2 ай бұрын

March of the Eagels 2: Draculas revenge

@EA-wd1ep 2 ай бұрын

Could someone please talk about the giga chad boss Alpha Austria in the background

@badkataeuw97 2 ай бұрын

tbf idk if i like this, i fear will become too mutch politically focus and not enought on war, if i want to play political i go on victoria, hope they can find a nice balance with it

@Ezullof 2 ай бұрын

Victoria is about the politicization of society and the masses though. EU should be about state management, centralization and that kind of things. I doubt that pops will have the same political impact as in Victoria, however there should still be political factions competing to impose their vision of society to your state. Meanwhile, pops should be the basis of your economy and stability - not through nationalism and political consciousness, but because you'll need to raise taxes, recruit soldiers and start the process of industrialization with manufactures, organized agriculture, land clearings, harbours etc.

@sambranco4825 2 ай бұрын

Isn't victoria 3 more focused on economy? a lot of eu4 is already focused on diplomacy and politics

@henrycrystal9740 2 ай бұрын

is nobody gonna talk about what the actual hell is happening in that eu4 game? muscovy refuses to form russia, england takes over france, austria gets the nordics, restores byzantium and defeats the ottomans and also takes parts of russia and castille moves to aragon

@NessieAndrew 2 ай бұрын

Looking pale today OPB, you 'aight?

@OneProudBavarian 2 ай бұрын

I've seen one too many ghosts!

@jayboeker1935 2 ай бұрын

I think it is the lighting. However he is pale regardless lol.

@harku123 2 ай бұрын

year 1337 is leet

@duck339 2 ай бұрын

April 1st of 1337

@sonofquebec 2 ай бұрын

Hot take: They're reducing the starting date from EuIV to allow to finish sooner for an upcoming vicky3 dlc

@meown_ar 2 ай бұрын

You better not remove war from this game too smh

@nisse18 2 ай бұрын

Austrian border gore 😩

@shademedic9340 2 ай бұрын

I smell the new engine character system inbound and I for one am not liking that. Don't like it in Vic3, and now I'll have to deal with ~450 years of it

@soulnokami3311 2 ай бұрын

100% meiou and taxes devs working on it. Too similar.

@dogukan127 2 ай бұрын

I'd love that

@123mrmaynard123 2 ай бұрын

That would be awesome

@apollomarmarinos4245 2 ай бұрын

Ah yes, it looks like an Europa Universalis alright. I'll make sure to stay away 👍

@Rofflestomper 2 ай бұрын

FIRST!!.

@imjustnormal8015 2 ай бұрын

Guys, I have a theory

@Zylshock 2 ай бұрын

a game theory?

@newtubevector 2 ай бұрын

1337 huh... I there will be no colonizing in EU5 XD

@newtubevector 2 ай бұрын

Jokes aside I think this is a terrible date for EUROPA universalis. It means we spend the 1st 100 years in the middle-ages. Might as well play ck3.

@uhhhscizo6531 2 ай бұрын

Having an eu5 instead of a ck3 dlc that contains the same things is actually a disastrous and terrible financial decision

@DinoDev_OG 2 ай бұрын

CK3 better

@TheHentaiguy21 2 ай бұрын

The biggest problem with Parliaments is the micro with dealing with it over a long game in eu4 imo. So I agree it didnt age well It's also strange to hear you say you like eu4 for being a map painter when I feel like i've only ever heard you criticizing those kinda systems in ck2, eu4 and vicky. As much as i'm open to the idea of adding more simulation feeling systems to eu5, I feel like it'll just be missing too much of the board game feel like mana in eu4