Eurobike 2024: New Classified TRP 16-Speed Wireless Groupset Unveiled!

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Classified and TRP have worked together on a brand new groupset combining the former's 2-speed hub and 12-speed cassette with TRP's shifter and brake hoods to create an entire new groupset. They've also rolled out a trick new shifting logic that offers a 16-speed spread of gears with compensation shifts taken care of by the groupset. Clever stuff.
Content
00:00 Intro
00:12 What is it?
1:05 How the shifting works
2:06 Benefits over 2x
2:45 16 unique gears
4:22 What it means for Classified
7:35 My thoughts...
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@PeakTorque 7 күн бұрын

As a long term tester of Classified there was one thing letting it down and what it really needed - integration. And here it is.

@Elbrunosh 7 күн бұрын

When they say 528%, what does that translate to? It says nothing relevevant for me… Ex. 52 on the front 34 on the back. Is it a 1:1 translation or even better a 0.8 completion?

@toon2806 7 күн бұрын

@@Elbrunosh The range would be close to 52/36 if you have a 52 up front. So 34 on the back would almost be 1:1

@Paksusuoli95 7 күн бұрын

Assuming they were running an 11-34, the lowest gear should be equivalent to 11*5,28 = 58,08. So in your example 52/58,08 = 0,89.

@maurobaldini4582 7 күн бұрын

I don’t get why Shimano doesn’t not refine the Nexus di2 hubs and integrate everything nicely to road cycling

@billstevenson8142 5 күн бұрын

@@maurobaldini4582 Agreed. Maybe weight

@MrJob91 7 күн бұрын

The word quantum means that it transcends into a new level of dentistry required to be able to afford the latest and greatest.

@Berserker26 7 күн бұрын

That is brilliant. Good call.

@jonathanzappala 7 күн бұрын

🤣

@gad3 7 күн бұрын

No AI ? So 2023

@Southerncyclist 7 күн бұрын

😂

@DarenC 7 күн бұрын

I remember when SRAM was the new groupset upstart, and they've managed to cement their position at the top end. Classified are bringing some fresh ideas, and I hope they gain traction

@SpockCycles 7 күн бұрын

This is why I prefer Vintage Road Bikes, I Can Fix it 😁🖖

@MicroageHD 7 күн бұрын

Skill issue

@krisqz 7 күн бұрын

It will also quantum shift your arm and a leg for this.

@bharbir 6 күн бұрын

This is refreshing!! I was getting tired of SRAM and shimano going larger cassettes, i.e x10, x11, x12, x13. The Classified approach is so much smarter.

@stephencurry8552 7 күн бұрын

Amazing! Thanks for showing new tech.

@KidFury27 Күн бұрын

I was lucky enough to be at interbike 2009. I knew then after trying Shimano's DI system that it was a game changer. I think this classified system is on the same level. Kudos!!!

@justsomedude7556 7 күн бұрын

This is pretty cool stuff

@nursultansaljakbaj9401 7 күн бұрын

Why?

@justsomedude7556 7 күн бұрын

@@nursultansaljakbaj9401 I find the technology interesting and one does not have to be a Luddite to enjoy cycling. I am a giant fan of electronic shifting, so if you have a frame that might be older, and you can take advantage of some of this new technology why not. I updated an older frame from mechanical rim to SRAM axs rim and it is fantastic. A lot of people don't like that, but that is the beauty of this sport, each person can do what they want to make their ride enjoyable.

@funkytransport 7 күн бұрын

@@nursultansaljakbaj9401 watch the video.

@adderhoney 7 күн бұрын

This is great! I would love to try this.

@moobaz8675 7 күн бұрын

This is pretty cool and genuine innovation. Will seriously consider this.

@galenkehler 7 күн бұрын

Im interested in the TRP parts by themselves, that looks like a nice minigroup

@5amba 7 күн бұрын

How big do you want the limit / B screws? TRP: yes!

@bermchasin 6 күн бұрын

gottta fit a lot of gears in those limits!

@redalert2834 5 күн бұрын

It's like having a 1x gear system with hub gears and a belt drive, but with the inconvenience of an expensive cassette and chain that needs constant replacement.

@krollpeter 7 күн бұрын

What is wrong with a cable? How many need 16 gears? Must we have electronics on a bicycle?

@kieranbarry8193 7 күн бұрын

original questions bro

@francescosaturnino113 7 күн бұрын

Nobody is forcing you to buy this.

@user-qy8ph8tf3d 7 күн бұрын

@@francescosaturnino113 unless you are buying a new bike that is a mid tier or higher speced. Almost everything there is electronic now... So yes, they are forcing you to buy that

@francescosaturnino113 7 күн бұрын

@@user-qy8ph8tf3d I don't know who "they" are, but ok. And if you buy a high tier bike, surely you'd want high tier components on it? And be honest, how many bikes come equipped with a classified hub? It's very niche, so definitely not forced on anybody.

@user-qy8ph8tf3d 7 күн бұрын

@@francescosaturnino113 they are the manufacturers, and when it costs 2k+ for a groupset alone it doesn't matter if it has classified label on it or sram/shimano or whatnot. And that is the whole point. Bikes got unreasonably expensive for little to zero benefit to the end user. Don't need another remortgage your house priced "innovation", which effectively acts like a derailleur (which work perfectly fine btw)

@kestralrider313 7 күн бұрын

THis could be our future, especially if Classified later gets the three major brands to integrate these features. I'm still not certain why Classified has not already integrated an ANT+ option where we could use our auxiliary buttons or assign main buttons to accomplish the hub shifting, with the rearranged orders. Also a big deal to be able to use 10T, since I have SRAM on all my bikes, the lack of 10T cog has left me hesitant about purchasing Classified. As soon as they integrate hub shifting into SRAM shifters, I'll be in the market for a classified spare wheelset that is truly swappable with my current SRAM cassette wheelsets.

@cx123456 7 күн бұрын

it costs money, that's why

@AJXOXO-vz1pn 7 күн бұрын

Nice looking crankset! Good looking shifters, not too chunky looking. We are on the right path TRP. I don’t know about the lack of a front derailleur, but at least the shifters don’t look like crap likenthe new SRAM Red.

@ferventheat 7 күн бұрын

I like the futuristic hand cranked pedals

@ob3ythee.t.128 7 күн бұрын

Yeah you gotta basically ride the bicycle upside down, great for arm strength!

@vongdong10 7 күн бұрын

It's so futuristic that it's made for when our feet evolve into 2nd hands.

@tonyg3091 5 күн бұрын

Anything that gives Shimano and SRAM a run for their money is a good thing.

@edmundhodgson2572 6 күн бұрын

Sounds great. I'm looking forward to getting rid of the huge comedy cassette from my mountain bike!

@VMVarga-yf6eg 3 күн бұрын

What was the weight of the group set and hub and how does it compare to the competitors?

@SuperAnatolli 5 күн бұрын

This would have been interesting if it wasn't for the electronics.

@x14x71x 6 күн бұрын

is it possible to run the TRP shifters and RD without the classified hub system?

@raguyver 7 күн бұрын

I just want that ice cream crank handle, LOL! But, nah, I'll stick with 2x10

@joshpain349 7 күн бұрын

Until you don’t.

@joggerino3284 7 күн бұрын

You can't stop progress.

@chrisdelaplante5515 7 күн бұрын

you can't stop bullshito quantum also.

@davidmurphy9151 7 күн бұрын

you absolutely can

@joggerino3284 7 күн бұрын

Hopefully. Retvrn.

@IFrancyISantosI 7 күн бұрын

All my favorite KZfaqrs right now in my country and I didn't knew about it. I would love to go there just to talk to you guys.. I just want selfies, i can't even afford that stuff

@davidarthur 7 күн бұрын

I'm here till Friday...

@IFrancyISantosI 7 күн бұрын

@@davidarthur frankfurt is some hours away. I would need to free days at work. is there a way to keep track of bike events you visit?

@cobrien120 6 күн бұрын

Do you have any just ride bikes hats?

@davidhunternyc1 4 күн бұрын

Can we use this set-up on a Brompton?

@dcataj5085 7 күн бұрын

”The whole joy of cycling is the simplicity of the equipment. I don't need an app, just a spanner.”

@slowcyclist4324 6 күн бұрын

That sounds amazingly boring tbh. Might as well just roll a stone down the road and call it a day if you find stupid simple fun

@kennys1425 7 күн бұрын

Any idea on the cost/weight of this?

@Berserker26 7 күн бұрын

The cost is your left arm.

@bonperal 7 күн бұрын

@@Berserker26 Well...I'm right handed so I'm cool with that. ;^)

@muratmustafa4532 7 күн бұрын

Shimano full synchro feature does exactly that but it does it so bad that nobody seems to like to use it.

@FumblkruschLP 2 күн бұрын

So basically SRAM Dualdrive.

@hornet224 7 күн бұрын

It may have 16-speeds, but you still have to pedal it.

@tonyg3091 5 күн бұрын

Ok, can please someone translate what 429% for 11-40 cassette means in terms of low gearing. How low is that?

@panosgrigoriadis3534 7 күн бұрын

Based on their documentation they use a 1:0.7 ratio on that rear hub, which then gives them 16 unique speeds as mentioned. Now if they could improve on that, say make it 0.6 ratio, then it could go to 20-speed total, which would be interesting and give them an extra edge over the competition. Or perhaps give the option to the end-user to choose between 0.7 and 0.6 ratio (or any other) Now when I first seen the classified product, I always thought they'd be bought by SRAM (cause of the way they operate, they bought so many other companies like Zipp,Quark,Hammerhead,etc), to integrate it to their groupsets, but it seems they gone with TRP (at least for now)

@mitchellsteindler 7 күн бұрын

The issue with that, is then the RD has to compensate even more gears when the classified hub shifts. This will be less smooth. But for the right rider, it would be awesome.

@sphong0610 7 күн бұрын

Love the idea, but in terms of future tech, I recently tried a internal hub gearbox(*Shimano 11speed with dropbar di2 shifters) and belt system and am convinced that my next bike will use it. Seriously. Smooth gears with little to no maintenance and efficiency that doesn't suffer at all for nonracing riders are great. They are slightly heavier(1-2%) and the low gear isn't as good as you'd like for climbing but hoping they develop a new/improved version of the current tech(4years old) in a few years.

@PRH123 6 күн бұрын

11 speed alfine is nice. But it is a lot heavier than a derailleur system, holding that hub in your hand is like holding a really big rock. Efficiency losses are around 10%. It's not zero maintenance, as you'll discover when it comes time to clean and re-grease. Good luck finding a mechanic who knows how to do it :)

@nickbu 7 күн бұрын

Cool tech. Although, until the hub and RD batteries are integrated, I don't see myself consider this at all.

@craigburrow8403 7 күн бұрын

I think a more complex gear system that takes some of the switching control from the rider will feel like a compromise system to some users unless the rider has control of when the switches happen. Maybe its a second language thing when he says 'at some time...' and he means as soon as possible I hope so. What happens if it decides to switch and you are out of the seat cranking on a steep slope? Probably ok but I weigh 135Kg and have corresponding output and it would make me sit back down and wait as I would be worried about a pulling my derailleur through my wheel (done this twice) - And so a compromise. These videos are awesome - thanks for going and sharing

@batbawls 7 күн бұрын

Like it

@brianrosenlof388 5 күн бұрын

Sign me up. I think this would be really nice.

@bradsanders6954 5 күн бұрын

Despite being slammed with endless marketing about having to run a 1x drive train to even be a little bit cool? I LIKE my front derailleur, I like having 2X. It works perfect every time. Keep on trying to sell that 1X though.

@SabianDB02 7 күн бұрын

I'm going crazy processing this. It's might be perfect for gravel

@e3dave744 7 күн бұрын

Cool idea but I could imagine how complex it is in that hub .

@orangeorphan 7 күн бұрын

Yes, but look at how complex an automobile transmission is and they’re pretty damn reliable. If it’s engineered well then it will work.

@ThiagoMarquardt 7 күн бұрын

Hub gear exists since 1920. Works fine and nothing complex. Any cheap bike share use it.

@ericl6460 7 күн бұрын

Running it as 2x12 seems like a cool idea. Using it for 16 gears seems a bit pointless and overcomplicated

@TDIjetta 7 күн бұрын

The rep talks about this, a 2 x 12 drivetrain is not truly 24 speeds, due to the ratios, there are only truly 14 distinct gears. Whereas, with this hub and the cassette, you are getting 16 distinctive gears.

@ericl6460 7 күн бұрын

@@TDIjetta I know, but downshifting the "front" derailleur when it gets really steep is more useful than quickly shifting 6 gears. I know he said you can still use it like that, but it all seems a little excessive

@br5380 7 күн бұрын

@@ericl6460 you're not understanding that the rear hub acts like a front mech, so it is 2x already - you could manually 'drop down'. It's basically working like an auto car gearbox works, you've no idea what shafts are working and what cogs it's using but it's going up & down.

@mitchellsteindler 7 күн бұрын

It is a 2x...it just does the compensation for you. Other groupsets do this as well, just using standard 2x electronic setup.

@ericl6460 7 күн бұрын

@@br5380 I'm aware how it works. Just seems pointless to have 16 sequential gears.

@RonBalone 7 күн бұрын

Quantum shifting.... PUKE

@stevenchen3173 6 күн бұрын

Imagine a rear hub malfunction in the tour and people doing Bluetooth pairing during the wheel change

@JMurph2015 6 күн бұрын

Feel like Classified demanding their own custom cassettes just kills it for me. If they went to like a 10-44 or 10-50 cassette, they would have one of the largest range drivetrains available.

@davidarthur 6 күн бұрын

At the end of the video they showed a version of the freehub that now works with 10t cassettes for this reason

@JMurph2015 5 күн бұрын

@@davidarthur but even then, they aren't 10-52T, 10-50T, or even 10-44T

@alistaircook5605 5 күн бұрын

I think you have it a bit wrong putting campy below the other brands as they now do wireless also

@TnFruit 7 күн бұрын

Sad that you weren't able to shift through the gears to see, how a automatic compensate downshift look like

@kieron88ward 7 күн бұрын

11-28 cassettes, yay, thank you. Starting to think 11-34 had become the minimum now.

@tonyg3091 5 күн бұрын

He said 40 tho

@kieron88ward 5 күн бұрын

@@tonyg30913:59 "cassettes are available from 11-28 to 11-40"

@TikkanenP 7 күн бұрын

Really like this!

@kieron88ward 7 күн бұрын

Actually can I just get the TRP group without classified for a 1x group?

@ianhughes4169 7 күн бұрын

Yes, Vielo will spec this TRP groupset on their bikes form September delivery

@paulhiggins9492 7 күн бұрын

It’s official, it’s gone crazy

@kvloover 7 күн бұрын

They need to get more presence in the world tour to really start hitting it off I believe Seeing it on pro-riders makes it sell and makes bike brands put it in their offering

@br5380 7 күн бұрын

Except 99.99% of us aren't pro's nor ride like pro's. A point he made when speaking about "sport & leisure riders".

@WerdnaLiten 7 күн бұрын

@@br5380 Agree; when will people realise most cyclists aren't pros, or interested in performance.....How about more simple tech for ordinary/ real cyclists?

@br5380 6 күн бұрын

@@WerdnaLiten while the Classified is 'complicated', it works simply - a bit like the gearbox in my car

@alexeydanilchenko434 7 күн бұрын

They should have made a new body capable to take 9 tooth cassette sprokets to cover wider ranges and smaller front chainrings.

@fabianmolyneux2308 6 күн бұрын

I sort of get it, but being a mechanically challenged individual I need simplicity. This looks tough to deal with as more parts means more goes wrong

@BruceChastain 7 күн бұрын

I like the innovation, but I don't think this is for me, ever.

@yapmadur 7 күн бұрын

lol what they do is opposite of quantizing (or discretizing) the gear range. they make the spectrum of gears kind of continuous but called it quantum.

@mitchellsteindler 7 күн бұрын

Its literally quantized

@benfinesilver2250 6 күн бұрын

This is a big reason to buy a new bike for most people. The price will be horrific to begin with though.

@davidchivers2762 7 күн бұрын

At my (old) age and fitness I'm pretty keen on my 34/32 combo for climbing the steep road bits. Can this TRP/Classified system do something similar?

@funkytransport 7 күн бұрын

watch the video. he explains all about the ratios.

@c.d.j300 7 күн бұрын

What I think will really hold this back is that you cant buy just any wheel with a classified hub on it.

@stijndeklerk 7 күн бұрын

Now please make an affordable option.. TRP always had more budget friendly options so why not?

@sjanzeir 7 күн бұрын

So it's basically designed with the ethos that the system is better capable of determining which gear the rider should be in than the rider, i.e. taking the _riding_ out of the _ride._ A rich dentist would be buying this for the same reason he (and it's almost always a he) would rather be seen stepping out of a Nissan GTR in the country club parking lot than a Miata NA.

@hansschotterradler3772 7 күн бұрын

Interesting groupset. You can simply go with a 12-speed or 13-speed Ekar; or go with a complicated setup for an additional 3 or 4 gears.

@funkytransport 7 күн бұрын

tiny range of gears compared...

@user-qy8ph8tf3d 7 күн бұрын

@@funkytransport like 15% less? Do you really need anything north of 450-500%? If you have the legs to legit pedal 5+ gear ratio you probably don't need those gears below 1 gear ratio and vice versa, can you push those 5+ gears when you can't pedal up a hill without 0.7 gear ratio?

@pierremaggi8661 7 күн бұрын

So let's be clear, its not a 1x16, it is 2x12...

@richardstephenson5489 7 күн бұрын

Classified, still a poor solution looking for a problem. Heavy, expensive, overly complicated and proprietary hubs and cassettes. It’s a massive no thanks

@simonlynch4204 7 күн бұрын

2000$ hubs with a cheap chinese groupset. It's a fun exercise but you'd be mad to go for it... Just get the wheels and slap it on any quality groupset...

@DrewKaplan2106 7 күн бұрын

Good ol Yannick hasn't changed one bit.

@sccxvelo 7 күн бұрын

When you consider 2x12 setup only 14 to 16 unique gear combo’s dose not matterelectronic or mechanical . There just making it happen in way without changing freehub spacing to work in current frames.

@superpoopertrooper9884 7 күн бұрын

When you will do everything to avoid having 2 chainrings.

@mitchellsteindler 7 күн бұрын

It is the worst part of any bike. But even this will still be less efficient than proper 2x

@EditioCastigata 7 күн бұрын

Keep in mind Germany experiences another covid wave right now.

@smithandshortdogs 7 күн бұрын

*cough* synchroshift *cought*

@rejeancomeau 7 күн бұрын

Adds complexity in the rear hub, and would stick out like a sore thumb on your mechanical Caad 12!

@Toye180 7 күн бұрын

no one asked

@croccofanto 7 күн бұрын

Only works with thrueaxle so no need to worry

@joshpain349 7 күн бұрын

Just head the tip for your next build… you will be fine.

@dennishughes721 7 күн бұрын

I’ll wait for 50 gear group set with electronic shifting powered by dark energy.

@notpablo8369 7 күн бұрын

Synchro shift, sequential shift now we have quantum?!!!

@pliccut 7 күн бұрын

Why would you need 16 speeds?

@gc641 7 күн бұрын

Too much electronic crap, I’ll stick with mechanical

@stephencurry8552 7 күн бұрын

Campagnolo lesser than the japanese? LOL! Thanks for making me laugh.

@jonathanzappala 7 күн бұрын

Campy fans got their feelings hurt in this comment section. Can’t face that it’s true.

@fisharefriends598 7 күн бұрын

More tech we don’t need it still won’t be more efficient than a simple derailleur. No ones needs quantum

@spinnetti 7 күн бұрын

The endless push for more gears is just stupid. Engineering is the mechanical process of solving problems. What problem is this solving?

@Ferrichrome 7 күн бұрын

I mean if they never developed new tech we’d still be riding on wooden wheels with fixed gear drivetrains. Not very useful on much of anything. New tech has to come from somewhere, not all of it will be useful to everyone

@firehazard1792 7 күн бұрын

couldn't be me, but some of the people having the most fun out there still are on fixed-gear drivedrains

@Ferrichrome 7 күн бұрын

@@firehazard1792 sure, but most people use derailleurs, pneumatic tires, tubes, aluminum or carbon frames, I could go on… my point is, new tech is always criticized when it first comes out, but eventually it’s adopted by more people

@ThiagoMarquardt 7 күн бұрын

I lived in a very hilly city. I use 3x chainring in my road bike. In other city is flat, I use a single gear. Terrain profile.

@funkytransport 7 күн бұрын

luddite.

@Chris._P._Bacon 7 күн бұрын

Shimano for life.........never with a non-sense ridiculous 1x.

@joshpain349 7 күн бұрын

Until Shimano adopt this.

@Natuh21 7 күн бұрын

In 2007 we had 30 speed now we say 16 is revolution lol 🤪

@joshpain349 7 күн бұрын

I don’t think you actually get it..

@zenfishbike 6 күн бұрын

16 speed silliness. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Just put a double up front and call it good.

@kaczynski2333 7 күн бұрын

Nothing is quite as annoying as people who use the word "quantum" to make their crap sound clever.

@JamesSmith-qs4hx 7 күн бұрын

Oh Jesus... More overpriced things you don't need......😟

@jklok 7 күн бұрын

99% of things companies make we don’t need.

@nursultansaljakbaj9401 7 күн бұрын

@@jklok.. so we dont need these companies. To the front with their employees😅😂

@jklok 7 күн бұрын

@@nursultansaljakbaj9401 that’s up to the free markets to decide.

@orangeorphan 7 күн бұрын

I think it’s cool to see new things being developed. Sure it’s not necessary, but bikes aren’t necessary either.

@ThiagoMarquardt 7 күн бұрын

I use the same concept in my road bike with sturmey archer cs-rk3. Cheap, reliable, mechanical and very fun.

@chrisko6439 7 күн бұрын

You will lose at least 2% power through the planetary gears in the hub. Nobody will ride this except e-bike clowns.

@guywelch656 6 күн бұрын

Gay

@niceracleous9999 7 күн бұрын

Boring

@SxWerks 7 күн бұрын

Love the Classified concept. I really hate front derailleurs. How much is the big question?

@FZ-TAS 7 күн бұрын

Campag down there somewhere! Are you F' serious. How bloody ridiculous to say something like that.

@davidarthur 7 күн бұрын

I don’t like it either but that’s how it is