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I love the comparison between yeri and jennie. both of them have had such weird and vile hate trains

she deserves criticism but not hate Making a video abt jennies drama :>

kpop stans often blur the lines of "criticism" and "hate" when it comes to female idols. this is sadly the case with jennie as well and as much as it pains me to admit it, wonyoung might be the next victim.

As an IVE stan, I am terrified. I just hope the fandom isn’t heading in the same direction because of all the *irrational* hate Wonyoung and the rest of the girls are getting... and this is just the beginning. As Cheryl tied it all up at the end, this is a vicious cycle that starts with kpop fans and ends with them as well, it fuels itself because at some point, everybody is at fault but nobody wants to sit back and be rational anymore. Kpop is so self destructive.

I still remember the:. "Jennie slept eith YG" and "Jennie slept with Teddy" Assumptions. Solely because she was pushed more. Her skills were pushed aside.

I can't stand people who openly hate on her and say "no hate tho". you can criticize an idol but don't guise hate as criticism. Criticism is advice and suggestion for betterment not make the idol feel like shit.

Jennie’s been my bias since BP’s debut and she isn’t above criticism, but hating on her (or any idol) just isn’t acceptable

one thing i have noticed a lot is that the hero complex or savior complex is seen A LOT in kpop. i do think it ties back to infantilism, and it does have something to do with looks sometimes. take sunoo for example. the defensive fanbase surrounding him today started predebut, when iland was still airing. people said he was cute, presumably because of the way his face is more on the soft side. from then on, the infantilism started, with people assuming he can't deal with things himself.

this is what i love about your videos you tackle everything without spreading hate and specially being respectful..this was literally a masterpiece considering the topic

yeah the taehyung jennie instagram thing was so bizarre, putting aside the weirdness of closely monitoring who idols follow on social media, people attacking jennie for something taehyung did was so crazy (and taehyung shouldn't have received hate either)

Some important info to add that maybe you don't know. Coming from a kpop fan since 2009, people have had an irritation for Jennie WELL before Blackpinks debut. She was probably the most famous trainee I've ever heard of during my time as kpop fan. All of BP were promoted in someway pre-debut but not to the extent as Jennie. She was known as YG's princess back in like 2013. Everyone knew her. Her photos, practice videos and name were pushed all over the place. She was in GD's music video and featured on both GD and Seungri's album. She even performed on inkigayo with GD (the most famous artist in kpop at the time) for his comeback with her full name in the title. That was insane for a trainee. Nowadays that would be like a random trainee performing with Jungkook for his solo stage with their name right next to his. That would just never happen. I vividly remember people on forums and comment sections get increasingly annoyed and sick of her because of how heavily YG pushed her when she hadn't even debuted yet. It also started the discussions on favourtism and nepotism that continue to this day. Like I remember seeing people asking YG to stop shoving her in their face. So yeah this annoyance people had for her stems deep so by the time she debuted a lot of people already had a distaste for her. Sad because obviously none of that was her fault and she was only a teenager at the time just taking all the opportunities given to her. Who wouldn't?

one thing i’ve noticed with her fanbase specifically is their unusual parasocial relationship with her. whether that’s diagnosing her mental/physical health or saying “she was having a bad day” after giving a lackluster performance, their rebuttals to any criticism is as if they actually know her. their reasonings for defending her is what THEY what to believe rather than the actual facts (confirmed by jennie herself). jennie also said on the podcast: “let me be the one to share me” and she’s right! let jennie be the one to share how she’s truly feeling and what SHE thinks.

One moment she is an adult and can do whatever she wants and the next moment she is a helpless puppet whose life is control and she had no hand in all the bad decision making

this is by far the most sympathetic but also nuanced video I have ever seen in the jennie hate train. While being in the idol is indeed wrong and questionable from her part, people forget how harassed and hated she was and still is and can't have civil discussions about her without resorting to extreme hatred or apologism.

Jennie stans are so odd to me, I’ve seen times where people are just straight up hating on Jennie and you barely see her fans calling those people out but as soon as someone is giving genuine criticism of Jennie then all her fans come and start attacking and then call it hate. I’m honestly surprised how much Jennie can get away with a lot of problematic stuff and that’s because of how much her fans baby her and support her blindly, it’s giving cult like behaviour 🫣 Then you get some of her fans that pick and choose when she’s an adult, when she’s doing something wrong or problematic then her fans say that she’s an adult and she’s allowed to do whatever she wants but then when it’s time that she faces criticism or consequences of her actions then her fans decide to forget she an adult and try convince us that she’s some helpless and innocent girl that doesn’t know what she’s doing.

I think the problem with Jenny is that she doesn’t take the time properly to explain things like her physical and/or mental health. Which could be done by making a short social media post or having her company release a statement. Like I had no idea about that podcast with Dua Lipa until watching this video. It’s as if she keeps trying to make it like there’s nothing wrong which only leads to misunderstandings and needless hate from ignorant antis.

Her fans often claim, 'She's a grown adult, she can do whatever she wants,' but the moment she faces criticism for something, they immediately go on defensive mode. If she's truly an adult, as you all say, then why not allow her to handle the valid criticism she receives on her own? It's contradictory to their own words as they constantly baby her instead of letting her face the consequences like any responsible adult would.

there’s one glaring thing you didn’t mention about jennie stans: their unrelenting obsession and gatekeeping of the “it girl” status. god help any other female idol in the running for that title.

The people arguing that she doesn't deserve criticism because of the hate she has had to endure completely miss the point. Everyone should be available to face criticism, especially when they are some of the most famous people in the most famous groups in the world. The need to eliminate unjustified hate and the necessity to criticize are both statements that can be true at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive.

She doesn't deserve hate she deserves criticism but the sad thing is her fans cant handle criticism

it's so interesting seeing jennie stans defend her sm even after it's been revealed that the things they're defending her for are true and that she's in the wrong, at what point do jennie stans (and kpop stans in general) stop abandoning their morals just to defend their fav(s) who are clearly in the wrong edit: to all the jennie stans who are mad at me and asking dense questions REWATCH THE VIDEO and pay attention this time around, that will answer all your questions

Jennie for being pushed, Huening Bahiyyih for having a popular brother, Wonyoung for being favored, Bang Chan for the fallout of a member leaving the group, Yeri for being added late, Jungkook for being pushed in multiple areas, Hwasa for her looks, Soyeon for line distribution control, Mia for being favored for lines; so many idols have been attacked & kicked & insulted & dragged to the ground - and now most of them now have semi-insufferable fandoms as a result. Hate trains have their consequences.

Honestly I used to defend Jennie against the hate train she got (she was never my bias in bp in the first place) but srsly we can't just let her get away with everything problematic she has done, many times the criticism was fair like the show The Idol or the born pink tour (things that led me into unstanning bp as a whole) she's a grownass woman, she can handle fair criticism don't worry

To all people blindly defending her choices because she 'didn't know' - Jennie can read. Jennie can analyze that the show is trash when the initial idea was scrapped. Jennie knows when she learned that oversexualized choreography. The last one should be the most glaring reason - back in Korea, the nugu girl groups used to resort to dancing THAT suggestive choreo in desperation to be noticed in the cutthroat industry. Jennie is a fucking international superstar who NEVER had to go that low to be noticed by people when she was a newbie, but she did it for that show. And her FIRST Western show, at that. I just question her (AND THE MANAGEMENT'S) choices because honestly, I wasn't expecting her to take this path 😔 Or was she going through a Miley phase?

My least favorite part about her and blackpink's fans is that they are inconsistent with their opinions just like it was mentioned in the video. Jennie fan accounts will make video's about "jennie winning the idgaf" war and 2 days later say she cried during a performance because she related to the lyrics "it's my choice and there is nobody I'm hurting." They will say she's a grown woman and she can act sexy if she wants to, but then call her a little baby the moment she does anything cute. They will say her and the members write lyrics, but the moment the lyrics in question get critisized it's teddy's fault. They go around hating on ningning and nayeon for "copying" jennie, yet still try to protect her from all sorts of constructive critisizm. It makes no sense.

“While the war of blink vs army deserves its own video…” 👀

I think Jennie needed a platform to say what she means and why it is how it is. Notice that she becomes more vocal when in the US. I feel like the Dua Lipa podcast gave her a place that felt safe enough to share

I love this video, Jennie got so much hate to the point where the solo Stan’s got too protective and now where Jennie ACTUALLY does stuff where she SHOULD get criticised (like her lazy dancing) her solo Stan’s defend her

Surrounding Jennie’s ankle, there is something I’d like to briefly discuss. The fact that Jensetters use this injury to “defend” Jennie’s dancing is utter BS. Considering the injury was severe enough to warrant her taping her ankle and occurred while she was working out, I’m going to assume it was a sprain. Depending on the severity of the sprain, it could take two weeks to 12 weeks for it to fully heal. I don’t know the full story, but if Jennie was doing things like exercising, dancing, or wearing high heels (things that would put strain on her ankle), she risked permanent damage, which I think did happen. If YG forced Jennie to perform before she fully recovered, that’s its own issue (one that isn’t hard to imagine considering how companies tend to treat idols). But if Jennie chose to perform on her injured ankle before she’d fully recovered, that is on her, and she is now dealing with the results of her bad decision. Either way, she shouldn’t have been putting strain on her ankle before it fully healed, so for people to cry about how “sHe PeRfOrMeD eVeN wHeN sHe WaS iNJurEd!” makes no sense. If you love this idol so much, why aren’t you telling her to allow her body to heal rather than risk permanent damage just to make you happy? We see plenty of idols go on hiatus for far longer than 3 months for things such as mental health. Why should we treat physical health any different? Mental and physical health are both important, but in a job this physically demanding, if your body isn’t in top shape, you will inevitably do more damage to your body.

I'd honestly appreciate Jennie more if she just said she knows that people are not too happy with her performing sometimes and that's she'll try harder. But no, she started talking about her injuries (that mostly happened years ago), dancing in heels, not being able to control her body and take care of it. According to her logic, 99% of female idols should be lacking every 2 months and there would no improvements whatsoever. And well, if she didn't manage to find a way to become a consistent performer and make sure her body is healthy in 6 years of training and 7 years of being an idol despite having more free time than average idol (her group doesn't have too many songs, she doesn't make her music, they are rarely promoting on music shows and such things) maybe this job isn't for her. And seriously YGE wouldn't debut her if her health was actually that serious. Look how Jennie was killing it during debut and first 2 years, she just lacks passion and practice and that's it.

Its gotten to a point where hate is labeled as constructive criticism, and constructive criticism is taken as hate

they say that the best lies have a bit of the truth mixed in. jennie is undoubtedly an inconsistent performer lacking in some of the skills of her peers, but people with true hatred in their hearts will take that valid base of criticism and build upon it with heinous rumors about her personal life and who she is as a person. it’s a slippery slope, or at least it was, because it seems everyone is sliding down the hill at full speed.

I remember on Twitter some fans were arguing and I was reading all the comments and one that really stuck out to me and one fandom said “so you think it’s ok for her to openly support Alexander Wang who is literally got multiple SA allegations?” And the Blink commented back “honestly yes that so unbothered queen behavior from her!” I always couldn’t feel the same way about the fandom or sadly the idol for that comment because that was just a lot for me.

Jennie does something (could be intentional or not, let’s give the benefit of the doubt) Haters: She is lazy, vulgar and unprofessional! Blinks: She is a grown woman and can do whatever she wants! She is human! Am I the only one who thinks that this situation became a vicious cycle and needs to be broken at some point?!?!

Blackpink's fandom is split into 5 parts: Lisa stans, Jennie stans, Rose stans, Jisoo stans, and blinks. Sadly, blinks are getting lower and lower by the day as the solo stans are just getting more and more prevalent. This could be remedied if YG realized that they need to do more group ventures and projects and far less solo projects, but YG only cares about money so it will never change

The first thing that comes to my mind when I see Jennie is: “I want to be like her”. Whether it’s her personality, confidence and of course.. her beauty and aura. And that is an affect that is very hard to keep for 7 years and counting.

People hate on Jennie now, but if anything were to happen to Jennie or if she went suicidal (God Forbid) then everyone would start being fake and showing love to her like everything is normal

She doesn’t deserve to be slut shamed but her taking part in a series where they are glorifying r*pe and dr*gs usage was a very bad and desperate action to enter in west.Breaking kpop boundaries and rules was iconic of her but now its all about brand deals,partying with US artists,ignorant performances,lip syncing….

Only idol in kpop I can think of getting more unwarranted hate is Jimin of BTS. Also funny that both Jennie and Jimin get targetted viciously by taekookers.

This is why I left Kpop Twitter ans fandoms, I just listen to the music, like the concept pics and go to the concerts. this is the only k-tube channel I watch because Cheryl is always balanced and honest. The parasocial relationships in this industry is absolutely terrifying and the result is shockingly sad and scary

What I find SUPER annoying is that when Jennie opens up about how hard something is for her, there's this group of people calling her a crybaby, attention seeker because "everyone has it hard in this industry, you're not special", "such a pick me", "just work harder" and "why did you become an idol then". So she's blamed for not speaking which makes people believe she's ok but when she does speak, it's bad because "you're not the only one struggling so shut up"

For the first 2 years of Jennies career things were going okay, she was consistent and had good stamina than suddenly she began regressing. I know she had an ankle injury at that time but things only got worse after that and instead of improving she started regressing. I of course don’t know what goes on behind close doors or know what Jennie is going through but fans don’t know these things either. They clam she has all sorts of mental and physical problems even though she never mentioned any. I don’t know if YG saw Jennie’s issue with stamina but at this point in her career their aren’t any excuses. Jennie said that she began understanding her body during the pandemic and yet 3 years later her stamina hasn’t improved at all. I have a hard time understanding why Jennie has regressed instead of improving from her debut till now. It’s more of Jennie’s responsibility to improve her stamina and skills, than it is YG’s.

Tbh, jennie's situation is actually one of the most complex situations I have seen Because I still see her getting slvt shamed for being in the idol ( i doesn't support her for being the part of show neither does I support her about her views on sam levinson ) She deserve criticism? Yess she does The thing she doesn't deserve to called all kind of nasty names because of it But most of the time I people calling her all kind of names rather then well worded criticism Also people have normalized hating on jennie which doesn't only make her harassment very common when it's smth really serious but also make make valid criticism sound really insensible and nonsense because alot of people gonna think that the person criticizing her is another hater trying to start a new way to drag her, ( alot people aren't gonna take her criticism seriously tbh)

"Sometimes what's more important is not who you're siding with, but who you're siding against." ~ Rebakah Mikaelson. Loved the Stephan quote.

I used to be a big Jennie Stan when she first debuted up until 2020 when her performances started to lack, especially after coach Ella. Even this year 2023 and thier tour Jennie has put little to no effort for the stage performances and after seeing her performance on coachella it’s just her being lazy at this point. At coachella she put in so much effort in her performance and it actually felt like we were watching blackpink. Additionally, the. Fact we only get that effort from her bc other artists are in the crowds or she deems it more important then the performances she puts on for her fans is so sad. If her health was really that bad of an issue then her coachella performance should have been no different then the on tour ones she has been giving us. But unfortunately it is just her blatantly not wanting to preform for us blinks and that’s heartbreaking. I remember paying over 800 Canadian dollars to see them preform after coachella and it was such a disappointment because it felt like only Lisa and jisoo were actually wanting to be there. If I’m laying 800 to see that then idfk why they are the “best girl group” in the world.

She deserves criticism, but never slvt shaming. I really enjoyed your video, Cheryl!

Heres my thing Hyuna has a vasovagal which where she will faint up to 10 times a day, Baekhyun of EXO has a hyperthyrodism if the man pushes himslef too hard his body can shut down, there are MANY idols who have chronical illnesses. Whats Jennies problem (dont say her ankle) she needs to go to the doctor and if she has an issue she needs to take a break and when i say break i mean BREAK including her branding. Another problem is that she seems to have an underlying resentment towards her fans ESPECIALLY asian fans but seems to regain her energy when preforming in Europe for her model friends, in the states for her celeb western friends or when at festivals. It feels like she alrèady has thos thing of "im already treasured in my fandom i dont have to try so hard" P.S i completely agree with the fact that if "shes a grown women" is going to be used as an excuse follow through and be consistent with that very excuse.

bro i saw comments like join sulli on her recent insta post they are not even hiding it

"And like dogs who go back to their own vomit, toxic K-pop stans backslid straight into their patterns without missing a beat." Ripped them to RAGS.

istg jennie could kill someone and her fans would say she didn’t know any better💀

Jennie deserves all the valid criticism

Oh yayyy the BLACKPINK Olympics Series continues, not that I like that they’re now “competing” in some way. I just found your LISA Video very interesting and I want to know how it continues

I've often wondered about this happening as Kpop groups become more popular in the West. As the members hang out more with Western (particularly American) celebrities, they may start to want the freedom these artists have -- the freedom to date openly and basically do what they want (within reason). I wouldn't be surprised if members of the biggest groups start trying to break away from the wholesome-idol image (kind of like Disney stars do once they reach a certain age).

i dont think ive ever seen a fandom so toxic and divided like BP's. its crazy that the girls have to see their own fans pitting them against one another like its a competition. they wonder where all the hate comes from when in reality it mainly comes from within the fandom. then they go hate on other groups which brings toxic fans from those fandoms to hate on BP, adding more fuel to the house fire. they need some help fr.

all of this in less than 8 years… and jennie is still so young omfg

I'm waiting for this like a new episode on my favorite k-drama

Ready for this to change my life

It never fails to weird me out the lengths some fans will go to "protect" the idols they care about that they will start to neglect their own wellbeing and image, IDOLS MAKE MISTAKES, you don't need to protect them from theirselves!!!! People need to grow based on the mistakes they make, if someone never makes mistakes they can never grow, and that is horrible!

Jennie's solo stans behave like those moms who think their kids can do no wrong and defend them all the time, even when said kids, who are already adults, make obvious mistakes

i just want one answer . Like Jun of seventeen is doing a legit bed scene and he is not getting hated but why is Jennie getting called out all kinds of name for just doing a sexy dance which male idols like Jackson Wang do in Live Stages, YES their own concert . The heck ?????

I find it funny how her fans pick and choose when she can be an adult . You know what they say about the company you surround yourself with.

Thank you for this quality video essay ! Excited for the rest of this serie. You are speaking fact and putting word to what i was thinking. Fans forgot the parasocial relation that they keep nurturing by being immature. Also they forgot how to treat idol like human being. They don't think about the consequences of their act.

I am not a Blink so I might be missing nuance here, but this reminds me a lot of Taylor Swift! As a Swiftie there is some valid criticism out there of her, but the reason many Swifties are so sensitive to it is because of her cancellation/hate train in 2017. I love your last line - people love to ask why stans hate criticism, and it's because it's so easily turned into extreme hate.

I really enjoyed this. I personally am not a fan of Jennie. I think some hate in the past has been unnecessary, I don’t agree with slut shaming or talking about one’s physical appearance or bullying if any kind. However, this girl does a lot wrong and it’s ok to critique her without being hateful. The fact we have gotten to the stage where you can’t even critique someone is shocking. I’m part of a kpop fandom and some people in my own fandom scare me with how far they will go to protect the idol.

It is so sad that the blackpink fandom and so many others is so extreme like it is supposed to be about enjoying music

I know no one will read this but if u really are open to others opinions, then here's mine. I really don't mind ppl criticizing her choices on joining the idol or hanging out w certain ppl (although many idols have problematic friends but no one gave a f*). What pisses me off is that ppl turning what's going on the show into reality. ppl always spread nasty words to call her "p*rn star, sl*t,..." not only for a show but doing what others do (dating) and it's not okay at all. i think that's what ive seen on twitter and Instagram . literally they don't criticize her, they just hate her. they even tell her to k* herself and worst things. That's not criticsm at all. ppl should learn how to criticize. about her dancing, I think "lazy" is not the suitable word, but rather "inconsistent" bc in one show, u see her some minutes slaying and other going down. If we go by the narrative of kpop stans saying "if an idol doesn't have the position, they don't have to be excellent at it", I think she dances good considering the fact that she doesn't have any dance positions. however, it's subjective and ppl except different things from kpop idols on stage. above all, she doesn't deserve any hate for all of these things : 1) being in a relationship 2) getting more lines on songs bc line distribution doesn't mean favouritism. 3) spreading fake news that she slept w yg and gdragon 4) being sick on stage and leaving bc she was vomiting all day. 5) posting pics on her Instagram which ppl call her "attention seeker" for 6) going on a party (so stupid and it emphasizes that ppl are friendless) 7) on the podcast, she stated that kpop idols are restricted from showing many things bc it's not normalized (it's actually the truth and ppl hate her for speaking up bc SHE is the one who said it) 8) going solo first (still the only member who got one song while the others have solo single albums) 9) dissing dispatch (like fr dispatch ruined her happiness and she has every right to do so) 10) having bangs (did lisa invented bangs?) 11) having best cloths (the girls are grown up, they choose their cloths 😭) 12) called fat for gaining weight when it's good for her health (shows that kpop stans care about idol's bodies more than talent) 13) being the first member to be an ambassador (like if u talk about fashion in bp, jennie is the best at it + it's not her fault chanel choose her) 14) claiming that she has an attitude on stage when ppl always say she's smiley and cute when interacting w fans. 15) she hated her members (stupid ppl would believe this) 16) ppl demanding for rapper jennie to come back (again it's not her fault if the fans want her back) 17) the accidental follow of tae (armys needs some cleansing bc wdym she gets the hate for doing nothing) 18) going to the met gala (she was invited, not her fault the other members didn't get an invitation) 19) hating her dog and call him ugly (he passed away when she was touring recently :( it's so sad ppl call an animal ugly) 20) calling her fatherless when she prefers to share her mom instead of her dad. 21) being called se*ul c*cle (mind u for dating like any grown up woman) 22) showing emotion when singing tally when she only relate to the song and sang it passionately 23) they always camp on jennie's praise tweets/posts/tiktok vids as if no one should do that. ex: a latina said she's one of the Latina of kpop and ppl were MAD MADD as if the tweet was real like bffr it was for fun, none of the girlies mentioned including jennie are Latinas. 24) she got sl*t shamed for partying with gay ppl, supporting homosexual ppl on Instagram and promoting body positivity in her own calvin klein collection. 25) taking a break on stage to drink water. 26) seeking western validation. You can't tell me the kpop industry nowadays don't focus on western countries since they release English versions more often or have solo debut in English. like why only blaming jennie? if she wants that then ok let her be. 27)not wearing a bra (💀) 28) interacting with jk at her own event the list goes on. my point is, some things jennie deserves to be criticised for (and ppl need to learn how to criticize) but most of the time it's only pure hatred. like ppl don't want to hold her accountable, they want others to drag her to the mud. u can't tell me calling her all of those names is criticism. Edit: so many mistakes, so sorry bc English is not my first language

Also i agree with the critics about health issues. She has the means and resources to get treatment or health guidance. If she discovered about the problems during pandemic she had plenty of time to take proper health guidance

I love this video ! Definitely very rational and nuanced. I'm so excited for the last two parts of the Blackpink Olympics omg

i’ll never forget the day i first saw that lazy jennie dancing compilation come up in my recommended next to another kpop-related video i was watching - the one that ended up getting taken down, assuming by YG. it was actually crazy bc i was also kinda thinking the same thing since she was a lot more subdued on stage lately, but i just kept it to myself because it’s normal for your energy to ebb and flow as a performer. but WOW, did i not expect that one video to turn into what the dialogue around jennie is now. the genuine criticism towards her, i understand all different sides, but you nailed it with the way she’s coddled by fans. you can’t shield someone from everything because they’ll never grow, and you as a fan will never mature with nuance and critical thinking added onto your perspective of how you see idols and create opinions as a fan. it’s just so awful how everything turned out to this point, and how horrible YG has managed to seemingly exasperate everything by not protecting & managing their artist. i believe jennie when she talks her health issues and learning about herself, i have no reason not to. but all that is still not an excuse to explain a nearly consistent pattern of not making her performances worth the while that her fans pay for, the same money that helps make her & her members’s paychecks. anyways, this was a lot, but so we’ll done as always!! really loving this series ♥︎

she definitely deserve criticism for the idol but hate and slut shaming her is not the way I looked in Jennie instagram I would like to say her instagram comment section is disgusting I feel so bad for her 😢

"People needed a reason to hate Jennie, it had to be something she herself has done, no matter how small it was". I realised it cause people spreading 6 second clips of her from my concert being called LaZY AND ignoring full 120 minutes on stage dancing perfectly and giving her all is so weird. Thanks for adressing this.

It’s a cycle, idol gets hated, fans get over protective, idols get more hated e.g// Jennie gets hated for wearing skimpy clothes people will defend her “this is an over reaction” but if so many blinks say “she can wear what she wants your all misogynistic” as opposed to “she makes her decisions you can disagree, be civil” no matter your viewpoint fans look unreasonable and people feel it’s ‘brave’ to shame Jennies outfits From your ep 1 of this series you’ve taught that “we love underdogs” you are correct! Cause the internet mostly prefers edgy or unpopular takes

I feel like a lot K-pop idols nowadays love the fact that they have these cult-like behavior from their fans because they know that they wouldn't have to address any controversies or face any backlash when these toxic fans got their backs, evident by the fact the BP themselves never addressed any of the cultural appropriations scandals for one.

I don't dislike Jennie, I dislike her fans

People thought jennie is a bad bitch that can handle everything but then they realized they're so close to lose her, and now they are doing the same thing to wonyoung

I’m ngl Jennie should have not spoken about her ‘condition’ on Dua Lipa’s podcast. They barely dance in heels and all she really said was she doesn’t have endurance which comes with training. Your job as an idol is to train for performances, concerts aren’t easy neither is performing back to back. Unless she was going to say she has a chronic condition she just should have avoided it. I don’t condone idols performing if they are injured because your health comes first but it doesn’t seem like she is actually injured. I’m only using Jihyo as an example, Jihyo works out and does weight training for her job to be as good as she is you have too. If Jennie is fine not putting in the work needed to gain that endurance then she shouldn’t be an idol in my opinion she can model, she can act, she can do anything else.

8:11 I understand the depression angle, but I interpret this as her saying “Good God, my life is so busy, it’d be heavenly to have a week where people aren’t constantly asking me to sell my soul for them.”

I was caught off guard with the "relationship with teddy and yg" like wtf is that a thing now? whoever came up with that rumour wtf is wrong with y'all omg

So excited! Even with Jennie being my bias, I’ve been really looking forward to this!

I love how accurate Cheryl analyzes and gives us straight facts. Thank you a lot🙏

Jennie Stans need to learn the difference between criticism and hate.

It's refreshing to have an actual person with proper brains post something this valid. This and the 1st episode are made so well and I'm excited and interested in the other two parts as the first two are pretty saucy. Got yourself a new subscriber xx

Ngl, i think she contradicted herself in the interview, if she learned over the pandemic how her body works, then you would think she would have learned to dance in a safer way so she could perform at her best. However, she didn't seem to do that. Now, i don't know why she doesn't give consistent performances currently, but what I do know, is she should've figure out how to perform better without injuring herself again.

I hope you talk about jennie with nuance and not trying to attack her over things such as her injuries or the way she dresses or going to partys

WONDERFUL PRESENTATION!!!! I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of this. 🍿🥤🥰

This is honestly so well made its crazy 😭

I think there's both valid criticism of Jennie and too much hate, but more than anything at the moment I wish her fans would just focus on praising Jennie instead of bringing up her hate train when it's not relevant. I really think it contributes to tge visibility of that hate. Honestly a lot of fandoms could benefit from doing that.

thank you for this

It's funny, because the only problem that I ever had with Jennie was as a consumer, when it feels like I don't get what I'm paying for. Which I think it's 100% valid to be upset and remark on. But the rest of the fans, they harp so much on every little thing you say about any aspect of her life to be hate that it genuinely kind of makes me hate her for it. I'm not out here writing oodles of hate comments because I have better things to do with my life but it's so upsetting that I can't say that I wish the performers put more effort into their performances that I paid to see.

Jennie is not above criticism...I just don’t understand why people can’t call her out for Not doing her part right when it cams to her group stages but somehow she’s able to kill in her solo performances... that’s it

Also, some stuff that you got slightly wrong: Blinks main target isn't V, it's Jimin. V is also highly targeted by blinks (they're always making jokes about his deceased grandmother), but historically there have been way more blink solos who token stan V (even before the current dating rumor and instagram follow) while Jimin has always been a punching bag for them. Also blinks didn't take straight to V's instagram to harass him because he and the other BTS members have their comments box closed. Blinks posted harassment on the BTS official instagram account, instead.

I feel like most of the people who jumped on blackpink hate train were just frustrated because of the blinks who bullied their groups and wanted them to have the taste of their own medicine. Like for example aespa performed at coachella and there were claims that they were lipsyncing or comparing them to blackpink or like lilly of nmixx hated for having a hairstyle similar to lisa. Most of the fandoms just came together since blinks are not innocent they have bullied so many groups, making fun of rookies and always bringing blackpink whenever some idol is praised. And the born pink tour happened it was the perfect way to take their revenge or whatever. Sadly idols get dragged into this and are the ones who get affected when these fans are just sitting behind their screens being pathetic. Idols suffer the consequences of their fans despite loving them so much and always promoting love and positivity and fans would blame everyone but themselves. Fandom plays a huge role whether you wanna accept or not hopefully Jennie's mental health is in check I am not a stan but my heart goes for her.

can't want for this as a jennie biased!! this series is super interesting!

oh you ate so bad. also i agree that jennie stans need to understand that there's a reason why people criticize and are put off by her being in the idol because she knowingly joined AFTER Sam Levinson became the director PLUS people can criticize her for not putting a best performance for their fans during their tour, jennie sees that her fans always protect her even when she's in the wrong and she takes advantage of that. jennie will continue giving 10% on concerts and she'll continue taking morally wrong roles because she knows her fans will defend and protect her

I wanna say thank you to you for taking the time to put subtitles like that on your videos, english isn't my first language so it's way more easy for me to understand, and your topics and analyzes are always so interesting !

I realised that the fans that want their idols to be treated as humans. never treated them as humans in the first place. We would be lying if we said kpop is only about music. Kpop cannot survive without the parasocial behvaiour that it preaches. What we defend, what we don't - when the idol is innocent and when they aren't - maybe it's just me but this fan and idol/company relationship is abusive and both parties take full advantage of it. And I was deeply affected by this too. But this is why, dissociating ourselves from the fandoms or the idols lives. seems to be the best choice to protect ourselves from this chaos and toxicity. I wasn't a believer of that when I started as a kpop fan but the more I analyze and watch videos like yours, the more I see the manipulative nature of it all. I used to say, kpop isn't all dark. I take that back. Kpop is everything dark. The music is just the surface but beyond that, if you analyze from the fan culture to the production style of these idols - its all dark. The idols become the dolls that they might preach they aren't in their music. Sincere hearts might exist but still, its in a pool of manipulative and abusive scenarios.

that outro line gave me shivers. great line to end on

Being a jennie solo stan is exhausting cuz on one hand you have dedicated haters overanalizing every single thing she does, but you also have overprotective fans who refuse to accept when jennie is wrong or does something bad. Kpop stans don't have the maturity for honest, non hateful criticism.

I can’t believe they are still people out there dreaming to become a famous kpop idol… I enjoy kpop but I could never endure all that. I’m not really a fan of Jennie but I liked blackpink since debut and while I would criticise her for some things, all the hate she has been receiving is just unreasonable and cruel