Everyone Forgets THIS About Thrawn! Is Thrawn a Villain?

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Lost Acolyte

Lost Acolyte

Жыл бұрын

#StarWars #Thrawn #Ahsoka #ahsokashow #thrawn #davefiloni #starwarsmoive #starwarsnews #ahsokatheory
Recently, it has been confirmed by Filoni that as we move into this new era of star wars, thrawn will be the main villain of this period. And for most part for star wars fans this is fantastic news. After all thrawn is a fascinating character, one that promises to bring a new fresh perspective on what villains can look like in the star wars universe. And filoni himself has said the same. With thrawn being this fresh iconic villain that stands apart from others like palpatine or vader which most star wars villains since then has been molded after. But as everyone is excited for thrawn to be the new face of bad guys I actually think everyone is forgetting that Thrawn isn’t actually a villain. At least not in your traditional star wars sense. In fact I would go as far as to describe him as more of a pragmatic anti hero. Certainly capable of villainous deeds but not incessantly hateful or malicious. At least not the Thrawn in Canon.
You see traditionally speaking villains in star wars have always represented a facet of evil. You have palatine who is the embodiment of it with his whole existence designed to be a physical manifestation of it. On the other hand you have villains like Vader and Maul who are evil in their own right but also slaves to it. Then you have others like Dedra and Syril who while complex in their own way and not necessarily the embodiment of complete evil but represent those guilty in facilitating its possibility. Thrawn on the other hand doesn't really fit into any of these categories. At least not straightforwardly. And part of that is due to the fact that Thrawn isn't a true imperial. Unlike others like Tarkin, Gideon, or Palleon, Thrawn isn't a die hard fan of the Empire. In fact he sees it more as a means to an end. And the primary reason for that is that Thrawn's true loyalty lies with the Chiss ascendancy which is located within the unknown regions and relatively unknown to the rest of the galaxy.
And if you read the thrawn trilogy and the thrawn prequel trilogy you will find that the only thing thrawn truly cares about is the ascendancy. And the only reason why he pledged his allegiance to the Empire is so that he may find and gather resources for the Chiss to defend themselves against an impending invasion from the Grysks, a cruel race of aliens whose whereabouts are currently unknown. And Thrawn has actively recruited members of the Empire to join the Chiss Ascendancy. The first being his aide Eli Vanto and the second being Krennic’s Assistant Director, Brierly Ronan. Much like the Thrawn in legends, he knows that there are bigger things at stake. He sees the conflict between the Empire and the rebels, now new republic, as a sideshow for the main event. And prior to his disappearance and the collapse of the Empire, Thrawn had hoped that the Chiss would be able to leverage the vast resources of the Empire when the conflict with the Grysks comes to a head. Simply due to the Gryskls' expansive nature, they are indeed a threat to all.
And so with Thrawn set up to be featured as the villain in the Ahsoka show, we need to keep in mind that his motivations and designs are not yet clear. If at all his promised return on the side if the Empire actually raises a lot of questions. One could have assumed that with the Empire now collapsed, Thrawn might have come to the conclusion that what remains may no longer be useful for the Chiss. On that same note there is also a question about thrawn oath. Upon meeting the emperor Thrawn did indeed swear an oath of loyalty to the Empire but it remains unclear whether that oath still stands with the presumed death of palatine and the Empire a shadow of its former self. Not to mention, Thrawn has also made it clear to his fellow Chiss counterpart Admiral Aralani that while the Empire has the loyalty of his actions, the Chiss still have the loyalty of his heart.
And so it is still entirely feasible that the imperial Thrawn we see in Ahsoka may not stay imperial by the end of the story. It's also worth mentioning that Canon Thrawn is by no means a tyrant. In fact Canon thrawn actually values life. Unlike the usual star wars villains, Thrawn isn't one to waste life on a whim and nor is he above teaching those around him his methods. He doesn't berate or criticize his own people. Instead he takes the time to show them their mistakes and how to improve...

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@jlokison
@jlokison Жыл бұрын
Considering the disarmament of the New Republic and the destruction of both Alliance and Imperial assets I don't think he could side with the New Republic. He knows the New Republic has already gone to far and it and it's members are incredibly vulnerable. Even if members of the New Republic might want to help the Chiss they would be in no position to effectively do so.
@jetblast190
@jetblast190 Жыл бұрын
Well thought out analysis. Likewise, I’ve read all 6 canon novels and the prequel trilogy is my favorite of all of Zahn’s Thrawn novels. I particularly enjoyed the deep exploration of the social, political, and military structures of the Ascendancy. I too see Thrawn as not being a straight up villain, but rather a hero of the Chiss and an antagonist to the rebels. Based on recent interviews, I’m not confident that Dave sees Thrawn the same way.
@Cyberjjc
@Cyberjjc Жыл бұрын
I have to admit that only recently have I gotten hooked about Thrawn. Love Thrawn.
@arwinaBlu_Kat
@arwinaBlu_Kat Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. You are on point.
@brittanyjtaylor2638
@brittanyjtaylor2638 Жыл бұрын
If they don’t go the anti hero route I will be very upset!!!!
@j-prins61
@j-prins61 Жыл бұрын
Im so happy to see Thrawn breaking into more mainstream star wars content. Even in the OG Thrawn novels (HTTE) for example he enters a village and comes with few guards and doesn’t open fire until he is shot at by the natives. Additionally he shows restraint in the same situation by destroying the one hut rather than the village such as the First Order does in the opening of Episode VII
@brittanyjtaylor2638
@brittanyjtaylor2638 11 ай бұрын
I wonder how this video will hold up… Ahsoka in one week!!!!
@christie_exist
@christie_exist Жыл бұрын
I actually like canon Thrawn and the idea of changing him to evil makes me very angry...
@janisugh
@janisugh 3 ай бұрын
Same! His intentions for the security of his fellow chiss is so genuine it breaks my heart to see his character portrayed in such a way. Zahn, another trilogy is our only hope 😭
@TheMightyCookieShow
@TheMightyCookieShow Жыл бұрын
I believe easily though if they started yesterday it would take 10 whole years for them to possibly have a chance to have Star Wars fixed
@joshpeck9266
@joshpeck9266 Жыл бұрын
Wait tilll they mess him up
@carolbriscoe9337
@carolbriscoe9337 Жыл бұрын
Does the fearful Grysk ever attach his home world?
@brittanyjtaylor2638
@brittanyjtaylor2638 Жыл бұрын
in the last asendency book, they possibly return after he was exiled....
@nonyabusiness8731
@nonyabusiness8731 11 ай бұрын
Indeed he is not evil in the books he supports order - I hope they use him this way as well as show his genius and actually challenge the heroes.
@user-yq9im9dk9z
@user-yq9im9dk9z Жыл бұрын
Book Thrawn is too complex for this show to handle. Filoni doesn't even want to have episodes that are longer than 20 minutes. They couldn't even make a proper redemption for Bo-Katan
@andrewshaughnessy5828
@andrewshaughnessy5828 Жыл бұрын
In D&D terms I see Thrawn as True Neutral. He doesn't make moral choices, doing instead what is necessary to get the job done. Chiss may have a view of good and evil that differs greatly from our own.
@skryreacolyte4874
@skryreacolyte4874 11 ай бұрын
Nail on head. But... pragmatism to the point of amorality can feel like evil when on the recieving end, which is where I suspect that the portrayal will start at least.
@larkmacgregor3143
@larkmacgregor3143 Жыл бұрын
The Thrawn of Rebels was no hero, anti- or otherwise. In fact, he seems pretty villainous to me at the end of season 3 and through most of season 4. I'm heartily sorry that the Bendu's vision of his demise seems to have only been partially realized - his cold, calculating brand of evil seems to more than match the Sith's hate-fueled sort in its capacity for malevolent destruction.
@DaringDan
@DaringDan Жыл бұрын
If you go to work for a fascist you don't get to be an anti-hero. He and Eli both experienced first-hand the overt racism of the Empire as well. I've always felt Disney's biggest mistake was letting anyone other than stodgy old white dudes be officers in either the Empire or First Order. Why? Because it waters down the message of how awful those regimes were because they can claim inclusivity by pointing at Thrawn or Sloane. Also, I adore Dave Filoni, but I'm not sure he's ready to handle directing a live action, feature length film. He's still green for live action. I'd much rather something as important as Heir to the Empire is to go to someone with a long track record that has proven themselves over and over again. It's STAR WARS. They could get any talented director the want. Dave is brilliant at making light-hearted animated shows that encapsulate the spirit of STAR WARS and dip into very serious tones from time to time, but this is a far cry from that. Always enjoy your content. Cheers, Acolyte.
@christopherstone4336
@christopherstone4336 Жыл бұрын
The Empire was xenophobic to an extent but still allowed aliens in military and other government sections. It also explains why, do to the clone wars that a lot of the non human species were separatists and outer rim humans as well. The Empire was more pro human, but skin and gender doesn't seem to matter as long as they were human. The Empire takes ideas of fascism and nazism but realistically its way more Imperial like the old Russian Empire or Roman Empire where it really is primarily based around the Emperor and its citizens are just there to obey. Everything the Empire does is to support the Emperor's power. Nothing else. Its not to expand living space for its citizens or overcome some inner struggle of the people. Its only about Palpatine. Thrawn is a villain, anyone who watched rebels knows this. Not sure why peope think he's a anti hero.
@cad2988
@cad2988 Жыл бұрын
I do not have any faith in filoni. He doesn’t seem to understand that thrawn is not a villain and he is just ignoring the 6 canon books. Pissing me off a lot that he will ruin my favourite character.
@brittanyjtaylor2638
@brittanyjtaylor2638 Жыл бұрын
be patient, as i am doing, a calm in the middle of the chaos.......
@cad2988
@cad2988 Жыл бұрын
@@brittanyjtaylor2638 Agreed.
@larkmacgregor3143
@larkmacgregor3143 Жыл бұрын
Go back and watch Rebels. He's a definite villain there, no ifs, ands, or buts. The books may be "canon", but they are not part of the mainstream, and most people had never heard of Thrawn before he appeared in Filoni's series. Since he consults on the regular with George Lucas while writing his characters, I think deferring to his ideas about who these characters are is a better way to go. If you prefer the books' version of Thrawn, then stick with them, and don't watch the new series. That way your notions of the character can never be "ruined".
@cad2988
@cad2988 10 ай бұрын
@@larkmacgregor3143rebels was written by dogshit Filoni
@cad2988
@cad2988 Жыл бұрын
Thrawn is a hero and i will always stand by that. He is not a superman who can save everyone but rather a smart man who is facing odds that are not in his favour and a horrible evil. He is trying to save the galaxy from the grysks, not just the Chiss but the entire galaxy. He is also shown in the ascendancy trilogy to be a very reserved person but a good person at heart. He hasn’t done anything evil in the books. He is trying to do his best to save the galaxy from these grysks. He is fundamentally a good man. Also remember what thrawn said: “The grysks can rival both the Empire and the Chiss Asendancy”. They are extremely powerful and brutal aliens.
@marionhope7506
@marionhope7506 11 ай бұрын
I watched REBELS. Thrawn is a VILLAIN, like any other villian. He just has a code, kinda like DESTRO from G.I. JOE fame. Despite, that, I don't think anyone considers him a non bad guy, it's no different with Thrawn.😌
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