Queer people now can get completely boring unnecessary romantic subplots shoehorned into blockbusters, just like straight people have always "enjoyed." Ah, progress.

I thought voldy was magic Hitler...oh well lol either way yeah, I wanted to see more of newt doing newt things not...whatever the hell Rowling turned this into. Not that I have a problem with the whole Dumbledore x Grindelwald just...it lands flat

@@treyrandolph4720 Oh yeah, same. I have no issues with it, it's just this kind of thing should not be something that's struggling with relevance against so many other kinda important elements.

"Wizard Pokemon" is just a great idea that it really sucks this series is not that

@@DSMTheEditor yeah I walked of the 2nd film. Not merely enough fantastic beasts!! Netflix spin off maybe?

Not just Dumbledore everyone throughout the movie was making hints to his compassion and purity. Lally for example at the beginning

Yes!

Finally, someone who agrees with me. Thanks!

@@diegogutierrez1997 I think you'll be happy to find that there are thousands of us out there, Diego! Probably millions, considering the franchise we're taking about. It was *such* a missed opportunity 😞 GAH!

The world just doesn't work like that. And it amazes me how many incredibly naive people there are in this world, who've obviously never experienced real racism/hatred firsthand. Do you think ONE good Jew would have made Hitler change his mind about the millions of others? Jacob's sole purpose in the films was to be some lovable goofball that was a stand in for the audience. There was never any real reason to keep Jacob after the first film

That would've been epic!!

I legit thought that was what was gonna happen. We don't need more dumbledore worship, he was an asshole. That was where the scene should've gone. I legit leaned toward my friend in the cinema and said "watch it kneel to Kowalski"

Pitch Meetings had Producer Guy ask Screen Writer Guy this same question and SWG goes something like "Oh shit that would have been a good idea, we should have done that" kinda thing. Hey Shaddup!

This is JK Rowling man. Good ideas but terrible execution.

I think qilin bowing down to Newt would have been even more epic

I always tough they DID invite him, but he is still punishing himself for Ariana AND Grindewald so he dosent go. Remenber that he kind of pushes Harry away in ToOtP. That wasent just for what he said in my opinion.

Oh my, didn't think about that. Like "hey, I know you didn't invited me, but I came anyway and expect that as I'm here, you will... Ok I go now... No one chasing after me ? Tough".

that's what me and many of our Asian people want to

I would like the see wizards during world war 2 like seen by Grindelwald in a previous movie in that orb thingy.

@@sn13314 Great. But who gives a shit about what the Asian (or European or American or African) people "want"?

@Joel Mole: what's sad is that they could've done exactly what you said while ALSO developing the "fight against wizard-Nazis" storyline: Indiana Jones did it some forty years ago and it worked perfectly.

I would've loved to watch that

YES! That!

Precisely. Also, the "epic fight that will be remembered for centuries" (or something like that" is just ... 2 beams of light smashing into each other? REALLY? So boring, so flat, so lame ... it's a totally uninspiring moment. Why, WHY didn't have planned something truly epic? D:

@@marcoottina654 This wasn't supposed to be that epic fight. It was for the fifth movie. It still is, if the movies aren't cancelled.

I swear to god. It’s like none of the directors ever watched that scene from OotP again and thought “wow! This is probably what the audience wants to see.”

they clearly can't write Dumbledore, you can't have a full movie on Dumbledore as you'd loose the Dumbledore-ness of it.

they can't make a movie centered on Dumbledore. Dumbledore would never reveal the plot. besides, Dumbledore needs to be the unbeatable leader of the light that can't be wrong. unless it's so the main character is there to clean the mess. which couldn't work if Dumbledore is said main character.

A magical "Ace Ventura: Pet Detective" would have been of one the greatest adventure films of the decade. I'm so mad that didn't happen.

Agree wholeheartedly!! I was just thinking while watching that it's dumb as shit that Newt didn't get a trilogy of interesting movies where he's fighting against trappers & illegal traders & poachers. Sure, it'd feel a little Dragon Trainer-ish, but would've made so much more sense than these convoluted ways to make him a part of this international political kerfuffle bs... And they could've done a trilogy of Abus v Gellert & we would've been more satisfied as well. It was just shit planning/production imo.

Harry technically lost because he surrendered. Everything following was luck. The wand shouldn't have worked the first time in the forest, Harry was the true owner or death stick then as well, or it should work just as powerfully as to destroy a living hocrux inside another living person without killing the said person, when Voldemort strikes a second time.

Yep, I always had major issues with the HP series. The protagonist won due to luck, while flippantly breaking rules and mocking Hermione's bookishness, but at least her successes were due to her intelligence and effort.

@@damatar I will _never_ understand how Harry could even remotely tease or judge Hermione for being a bookworm when it came to their classes and Hogwarts in general. If I spent my whole life thinking magic wasn't real only to be told it was and that I get to go to a _school_ for it, I'd be just like her and passing all my classes with flying colors.

@@damatar There’s a peculiarly large number of series aimed at children that dismiss or denigrate hard work/putting in effort, e.g., The Incredibles.

Aka plot hacks.

Yeah, that is how I thought it was going to go. There was the whole judging of his character earlier in the movie (pointed out in this video, as silly as it was). I agree with you in that it would have added much more to the story, challenging the wizarding world of their views on muggles.

I was expecting this, unfortunately I ended up disappointed

I believe that Dumbledore had imperiused the Qilin to bow to him so people would trust him more and it was part of his big plan to become the most influential person in the world so he could secretly rule it from the shadows while acting in public as a Merlin-like figure that everyone would turn to when something bad is going on.

The qilin should legitly bowed down to Newt ! The guy literally live for voiceless creatures and also saved the qilin as well ! The movie and the series would have made a lot of sense if it was Newt ! BUT NO! They had to sideline Newt and Praise Dumbledore dont they? That scene should have really uplifted the movie ! Instead it just falls flat as Dumbledore doesnt really did any noble dumbledore things till then in the movie !!!

Dumbledore proved time and time again that he can be seduced by power. He himself sees this as his biggest flaw. If you are that vulnerable to turn evil how are you pure of heart?

of course Dumbledore is pure of heart. he hired Severus Snape to bully Harry just in case the Dursley didn't do a good enough job at being abusive *ssholes. Dumbledore also hired a drunkard fraud to teach divination or an egocentric fraud to teach DADA. evidently, it's so they had a chance to have a paying job. better I don't mention that Voldemort taught DADA and a death eater faked being a close friend of Dumbledore to enter harry into a deadly tournament. but Dumbledore is so pure of heart that couldn't notice because he looks like his friend, he can't be evil. dumbledore is less pure of heart than Petunia Dursley combined with Dolores Umbridge, Rita Skeeter and Bellatrix Lestrange.

Dumbledore is evil and good at the same time

@@Rosel13 nah. he's evil as one can be. but will do good things when they help him on his quite dark plans.

@@Rosel13 And this is exactly why he's not "pure of heart". Dumbledore is a very "grey" character, just like Snape. But JK Rowling and Steve Kloves suddenly decided to make Dumbledore a Gary-Stu. Newt and Jacob, however, ARE pure of heart.

@@Rosel13 that doesn't make him pure of heart, just grey. One of the big point of Dumbledore in the seventh book was : Harry idealized him but actually, he is not that good at all, he has a lot of dark in him. So it is just like, they decided to ignore that.

Also why would they need a muggle to replicate the suitcases manually when they could just use ... you know ... magic...

Because that switch surely only works for muggles.

I completey agree about the plot, there was no character development, people were there juste"because". But my biggest problem is how it lost focused on the four main characters (Newt, Tina, Queenie and Jacob). I mean, to be fair I didnt care at all about Yusuf, nor Theseus (sorry, but to me Leta had way more character potential) as both men are sooo one-dimensional. I hate how they pretty much pushed aside Queenie and Tina sisterhood (actually, I believe the writers forgot they were sisters), when the sisters' relationship was the most interesting for this movie (with Queenie joining the dark side). Anyway, what a waste of characters and storylines...

@@SaundersBoy yes and even if they were not gonna focus on the sisterhood but rather on brotherhood then at least show some development and character growth 🤦🤦🤷☹️

Credence being Aberforth's son was d*mb as f*ck. The realization that the philo. stone could create a homunculus would make sense since it would be agreeing with the lore about Dumbledore and the theory about the trying of ressurecting his sister

so, you mean you wanted a coherent script with propercharacter development and plot trajectory. yep, that woulda been lovely.

Dude is literally a murderer and the wizarding world is like, yeah he seems like a standup guy led him run for office

Not as far fetched as you believe.

NPC wizards were pretty stupid in the later Harry Potter films too.

unlimeted power

I knew I couldn’t be the only one that was thinking that Grindelwald was similar to Palpatine😂

And then they created the cursed child and time stopped being definitive...

Agreed

But he's not seeing THE future, he's seeing A future - most likely, he's specifically seeing the "most likely" future. But if their plan is as much of an ass-pull as they clearly want it to be, then they might be directly affecting which future is "most likely" in some difficult-to-predict ways. At least, that's how I interpreted that entire Dumbledore Ex Machina. :P

You answered your own question though. Of the future is set, then they HAD TO try out this misdirection because it's already determined. If they hadn't, them that future wouldn't have happened. CAUSING GOD TO BE DISPROVEN, AND CAST-ANGLES TO WALK THROUGH THE FRONT DOORS OF A CHURCH UNDPING REALITY AS WE KNOW IT!!!!! It's Dogma homez

Great use of the "That's not how The Force works!" meme verbally there.

Here Here, yes

What do you expect from an author that made Dumbledore gay.

Technically, it's not your acomplishments that makes you pure of heart, but your intentions. Presumably.

@@Jay-nh6um Even with that point of it should have been Newt !

@@TheGowshikan I don't disagree with Newt being pure of heart, I'm just saying that people are being really unfair to Dumbledore. He is willing to control and sacrifice so much for the greater good.

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Yea I thought he was supposed to be kind of a dick? Also why was lally’s dumb accent not sinned 😂

I don't care what Rowling think, she just made some rerrible trash of potential cool story.

That's because the scriptwriter is Rowling herself. She knows how to write books with all the characters thoughts, dialogs, extra stuff and so on, but has NO idea how to write screenplays.

I couldn't even sit through 20 min of this review vid

Great ideas by Rowling but terrible execution. Never let the author write the screenplay.

honestly, I still wonder how much did Rowling have a hand on this screenplay? It said Rowling hand in the first script, then Kloves did the job. Who knows what's the original one? Besides, there was covid. but I have to say this script is still the worst

I completely agree. The first film was so much fun and is still one of my favourite films. It was whimsical and funny and characters like Jacob and Queeny were the best. The second film was just a ton of exposition and laying groundwork for future sequels rather then concentrating on a stand alone plot then there was this boring piece of shit. Jacob is still quite charming but all the joy has been sucked out of Queenys character. Creedence should have been written out after the first film (and not just because Ezra Miller is a wanker). I didn't need Dumbledore to be in this series at all. They should have just focused on the original four. The cool magical beasts. And had a single challenge to overcome for each movie

This!! Also Mads was my only reason for watching the movie, he's a favorite actor of mine. 🤣

Mads is way better because Grindelwald was supposed to be european anyway

Yes ! As much as I don't like the hypocrisy behind what happened with Johnny Depp (Ezra Miller also had people accusing him but it was not as mediatized I guess, so that's a typical "we try to look like we care, but we are just doing this for our image"), I loved the new actor for Grindelwald, he was everything I expected from him. Johnny is a great actor and he was better than I thought he would be honestly, but I just think it is not the kind of role where his acting skills shine.

❤❤I agree when mads said "who will love you now" I don't feel Johnny would of pulled it off like he did ..I felt that from mads ..❤❤

He hasn't developed at all, they seemed to have dumbed him down. Though he seems smart enough to know his case is far too powerful to be destroyed, because immense amount of magic held within the beasts.

Ya Jk rowling should be made to watch John wick movies to beat some sense into her ! I was thinking exactly the same ! The suitcase is gone and thats his reaction..???

These actors are now phoning it in. Just like what happened in Rise of Skywalker. Eddie Redmayne is a great actor in other movies but he knows Newt stinks. Just like Jennifer Lawrence is a great actor in other movies but she was phoning it in in Dark Phoenix.

In his perspective, there was a 20% chance that was the real bag, so, while anxiety-inducing, he knew the odds of all his animals dying was relatively small.

I'm still mad that the live Qilin was in a case at all. As one Haley Starshine explains in episode 428 of the webcomic Order of the Stick, the whole point of a shell game is that if you can give the opposition a 0% chance of picking the right suitcase (I mean, shell), why give them any chance at all by actually having the Qilin in a suitcase (ball in a shell). That Qilin should have been in Bunty's magical purse or whatever, with all the baddies chasing after the suitcase decoys on the assumption that one of the suitcases contains the Qilin. The fact that this badly-executed trick worked just because the baddies weren't on the lookout for another suitcase or something is what I hate about this whole sub-plot.

It was such an obvious oversight that I literally thought it was intentional

This made me wonder if originally there's surprise twist the 6th case was on Tina. She was missing on story all time, but then she appear with sixth case and she was do undercover all time

She asked for 6 to be made and she kept the original (it was not safe to be kept with that guy) so doesn't that mean there were 7 in total?

Y'all are just disapointed that your ideas ended up not happening. This film has a lot of flaws, don't get me wrong, but you can't sin it for not having something you thought it would. "Half a dozen" is more like an expression, if she really needed exactly 6 bags she would have said that. Maybe Dumbledore asked for a few more, as he was still making up his plan? Maybe she asked for more just in case? I don't know, but no reason to be so disapointed because of that.

Totally agree. Didn't even bother watching this one for lots of reasons, but everything I see here confirms it just continued its unnecessarily over the top dark and depressing material. Like, yes, life is suffering sometimes, but half the point of literature is to either have that suffering count for something or to show the cruelty of the world through the pointless suffering, or even for character growth. The memory wipe does none of this. It somewhat highlights the cruelty of Grindelwald and nothing else, severely damaging a character for literally no purpose and almost as a side note that does nothing for the story. Atrocities in fiction just for the sake of atrocities or highlighting one characters badness is just disgusting to me. Got enough depressing, meaningless suffering in real life; we don't need it in fiction too.

JK Rowling never said it was a family series or for kids. She said specifically it was for adults and is adult rated.

@@Shaw4Life Sure, and that's fine. But I think there's a difference between adult content and overly dark content just for the sake of it. I'm all for dark stories, when they're told well and purposefully. And I think the first Fantastic Beasts movie is a great example, not really of a DARK movie, but one with some heavier content in it (the abuse at the orphanage, the prejudice between social groups, etc.) that served a purpose and was handled pretty well. If the movies had just gotten somewhat darker or more adult, and continued to handle those topics well, I'd have no issue with that. I prefered the lighter tone of the first one for this series, but whatever. My actual problem is that it went SO dark SO fast and for no real reason. We went from having a jaunty time around New York with some heavier undertones to killing babies MORE THAN ONCE in the very next film. It's jarring, it's disturbing, and it didn't really serve much of a purpose. Death number one was solely to highlight the evilness of Grindle and number two was the shoehorn in a Dumbledore lineage plotline that didn't make much sense. And the first death was the one I took a real issue with. Because the second one, while handled clunkily, at least had the decency to try to have a reason or real meaning and affect in the story, and if told better could have led to some interesting storylines or themes about handling grief. But not only did that second one not really take on the matter with any kind of delicacy, but they slapped on that first child killing for no reason at all except to make a point or set a tone. That's the kind of crap I expect from a teenager trying to be edgy and dark without any real grasp of narrative purpose or consequences. And I probably should have already learned not to expect better from Rowling, but I was still disappointed. Heh, sorry for the long response. Mostly just wanted to highlight that there's a difference between a film being for adults and being overly dark just for the sake of it. The second film went way too far, imo, and it looks like the second one kept up that trend, which for me is just a nail in the coffin on top of all the other reasons I wasn't planning on seeing it.

@@Shaw4Life Seriously? Wow, Well this wasn't a family film by any stretch of the imagination. Regardless of marketing. Though just making it darker does not automatically make it more adult.

@@Shaw4Life Source or it didn't happen.

Thank the actress for throwing a tantrum just because J.K. Rowling defended women from the trans-lunatics.

Couldnt be helped due to the pandemic, Katherine Waterston’s schedule, and JK Rowling’s comments on trans people.

@@___David__ or rather, thanks to jkr for throwing a tantrum because Katherine Waterson rightfully reminded her that ostracizing and humiliating an already targeted minority is, in fact, an asshole thing to do. Respect to KW and may she continue to be awesome

@@___David__ J.K Rowling is more than right with her statements but still it was disappointing not including Katherine in the movie properly. Tina is one of the few characters that make the films at least a little worth wile and her scene with Newt at the end was beautiful.

@@Prettorian It didn't help that the actress contracted COVID, but yeah, if they were gonna recast Gellert, they might as well have recasted Tina, as well.

Hey, you say tomato and I say fun for the whole family (with bonus representation that can be easily edited out for other countries.)

@@motherplayer If only the movie HAD been fun, rather an absolute incoherent mess that was a chore to watch. Saying that as a huge Harry Potter fan btw, I really wanted this series to work, but they goofed it big time.

@@alexatkin For the record, that was comedy from my end. I'm not at all trying to give this series credit.

it never happened

Better yet, do a voldemort on it, Have grindy use a powerful magical spell that causes disfigurement & grants him more powers. So much was possible, they didn't even use 10% of the potential one could have, Dumbledore's screen time is utterly wasted, so is his character, he never shares anything about his private life much. Only time he did, he was already dead.

Maybe she came from the South, hence the drawl? And Ilvermorny is in Massachusetts, so maybe she picked up some Yankee/mid-American from working at Ilvermorny? America is a mish mash of cultures and accents, this is 100% plausible. I’ve been all around the US and my accent is a mish mash of different accents

very clearly mid atlantic

@@CaptainMemesteroid No, not really. If Lally's actress was trying to do a mid Atlantic accent, it was a poor attempt. I've done my own research recently and a few people have said it's a mid Atlantic, but it seems like thats mostly because it's what Lally's actress said it was. But it doesn't even make why would Lally even have that accent in the first place. Mid Atlantic was basically more or less created by Wlliam Tilly because it's what he thought it was what 'proper' or 'correct' English should be. And he then practically spent his time as a sorta dialect coach for actors and at universities teaching people to talk like that. As it turns out, Lally *is* from New York and mid Atlantic was taught in the school system, but it was kinda only available to people with a higher learning like Hazel Scott. Again, it's whole purpose was to sound refined. But here's the thing, Lally would have never really been exposed/taught it in the first place. Mid Atlantic was *not* an accent people spoke natively, it was taught to people to sound that way. But Lally never spent the rest of her formative years in the New York school system, she was a witch that started going to Ilvermorny when she was eleven. If anything, Lally's accent should have a more Massachusetts/Boston influence (a very non rhotic accent) since that's where she spent most of her childhood and teen years.

Yeah, Lally's accent was all over the place...and if it was a mid-Atlantic accent, I would not have heard it as anything else than standard American English because apparently my native accent is ( like most suburban tri-State people) the mid-Atlantic accent (I am from the suburbs of northern and central NJ). So the accent was a mishmash of not knowing which side of the Atlantic your character is supposed to come from.

@@Xgendude14 I like your theory. She has parents who are from different regions and thus grew up hearing different regional accents and as a result her speech is an odd blend of both of them.

Logic gone

@@LucyAdroit bold of you to assume they had any in the first place, make it make sense😒

Ezra did those after filming was complete

But to be fair no body knew about Ezra yet.

I'm a fan of Johnny Depp, have been since Pirates. But Mikkelsen should have been cast in this role from the start. Ezra Miller I couldn't give a shit about from the first second he was on screen, he can be booted

You're right and you should say it, she's genuinely just a shitty writer. Great concept, utterly horrible execution.

This why you shouldn’t make the writer write a script. Let someone else do it while she bounces ideas off them.

Totally agree. She can do world building well and character development decently, but social systems are non-existent. Things are just the way they are, which is mostly good as long as you stand for the status quo and don't question it too much. "Ha ha a whimsically dangerous magic school where we have 12 year olds falling to their near deaths on flying broomsticks and handling deadly plants!" If George R.R. Martin wrote Harry Potter, a Muggle-born like Hermione would go full OSHA on Hogwarts and demand better safety regulations

@@SashaRomeroMusic She tried to, but she was laughed at as a lunatic ... for trying to end slave labor in the school. Yeah, Rowling isn't a great writer, or person for that matter.

@@kayabaj And Harry is a slave master by the end of the series. Fuck this stuff isn’t as fun as an adult.

Which case they thought was the real one, shouldn't have mattered. Because Grindelwald does not read minds, he sees the future. So if they all believed that the Suitcase #2 was the right one, it would have made no difference, because he would've known it wasn't that one eventually. And they've already made it clear in Harry Potter that the future is set in stone, so the >1 possibilities excuse does not work here, Grindelwald should've seen the outcome of this.

@@claudiuivan6668 No they didn't make that clear. It is in doubt as Dumbledor says not every prophecy in the Department of Myteries was fullfilled. Hermione mantiones people who used time travlers destroyed ther future or past selves and terribel things can happen because of time travel.

1- Grindewald is not the only wizard capable of divination, not by a long shot. Divination is a class in Hogwarts, meaning it has been studied for a long time and has lots of specialists. It's very likely that this talent has been observed and studied before, maybe in different forms or applications but following the same principles. 2- One of the characters (I don't remember who) says Qilins cannot be deceived. This means it can read your soul, but it also implies that it cannot be bewitched, controlled or confused, which also explains why Grindewald had to kill it and animate its dead body in order to make it bow to him. This is not confirmed, but somewhat likely.

Lally is a splash of color in this lifeless drag of a movie. Her and Newt are in the wrong series.

She was overacting like crazy in some parts of the movie....

Personally, I didn't like her much 😕 I see where you're coming from, but she felt jarring to me *because* she was "quirky" amidst her surroundings. She felt out of place and inappropriate, which resulted in a feeling of dull annoyance for me whenever she was on screen. Not that I wasn't annoyed pretty much constantly anyway, but y'know...

No she's unbearable. Every sentence the exact same "sassy" intonation. She doesn't feel more alive than any of the other zombies despite the fact that was their goal with her character.

Yes you are

I disagree. that comment was mean to the poor, innocent, monsters. to compare those nice creatures with Dumbledore... that was cruel. poor dementors. what have they done to deserve that ofensive remark? dumbledore is far worse than a monster.

And he knows it about himself very well! In the final book, he admits his flaws, and that he wanted this power that he dreamed of. He knows that he's not pure of heart. It looks like the author just forgot. Anyway, what are his secrets? IS it that he had a nephew? Like wtf is that really, Aurelius Dumbledore?!! The hell... WHEN I heard it in the second movie, I thought it'll be just some bullshit lie that Grindelwald made up, but I never, ever thought they'd go through with that, because of course he.gotta be someone related to Dumbledore, no matter, nah it'll be fine...,

@@riverskipworth2657 Maybe the Dumbledore with the secrets is supposed to be Aberforth? Either that or the secret in question is the tragedy of Ariana.

Are you saying this because of him joining Grindewald? Because he had a change of heart and even directly opposes Grindewald this movie. I don't see why he would he be so evil

@@Jay-nh6um No, because of the way he uses Harry and others to bring down Voldemort.

They could have created tension without killing off people. In real life we are often stressed or afraid even if our life is not in danger. Protagonists can get hurt, punished, humiliated, betrayed, sick; can lose loved ones, limbs, privileges, important objects etc. There is absolutely a way to feel threat and tension even when you know they can't die.

@@seresimarta4436 And yet it also did none of those things. I think Newt got knocked unconscious at least 3 times, and each time not only do they not kill him, but they don't even capture or otherwise restrain him. They just leave him there, even though he's one of the primary people trying to foil their plan for world domination. Credence is allowed to fail Grindelwald twice without any repercussions or punishment. We're talking about the third most powerful wizard of all time and the second most powerful evil wizard of all time, a man, who along with his followers, committed numerous crimes and several murders. When it comes to Newt and any other protagonist though, nah just knock them out and leave them be. The actions of this man in this movie just don't fit with the story and reputation we have of him.

He’s dead

@@Skyebright1 oh so he does finish his transformation then, nice to know.

For real, it’s been FOREVER

That fight is in 1945 and takes 3 days

Except James, Lily and Snape were 11 and started Hogwarts at the very end of the Hippie era. That being said, I would love to see Magical London during the swinging sixties. You know who would be about the right age-Molly and Arthur, or possibly Sirius's cousin Andromeda.

Especially as just because you can LOOK like someone else, doesn't mean your whole personality changes.

I didn't even watch it because Depp wasn't in it. I was sad but I can't support these movies anymore with them replacing him. From what little I've seen, I agree. Mads just didn't do it. Just an angry guy.

@@karissamarshall8167 I'm with you Karissa. I can't watch Secrets Of Dumbledore because of how Depp was unfairly dropped from Grindelwald, I loved his Grindelwald so much too.

To be honest, I actually really like Mads as Grindel. I didn't have too much of an attachment to Depp's portrayal, so maybe it's just that.

@@elysilium - its all down to how we see Grndel, in the same way we'd be having this conversation if alan rickman had died DURING Harry Potter and he was recast.

Sooo theory confirmed or not?

@@llamingo696 tragically inconclusive

finaly someone who gets it

You have to set up your dashing through the snow joke differently, or someone else will say it in response, like they thought of it. It's quite clever, too. I like it.

With a movie that doesn't have that many fantastic beasts

Yeah. I usually can sit through any film HOWEVER during this I was so bored, my will to forget was too strong and all I wanted to do was walk about - talk - do ANYTHING other than WATCH THIS FUCKING FILM!

I expected it would bow to Newt (after Dumbledore) not the President.