Ah yes, the Negotiator

A classic character turned into an icon of fiction. Obi-Wan Kenobi is the gold standard of what it means to be a Jedi, the quintessential emblem of what it means to bring peace and justice to the galaxy.

I love your videos and was wondering if you would ever make a video about the flower we saw that day or as it’s commonly known anohana

Sasuke vid when? 😅

A guy who intended to do right but made several mistakes. And Sage's Rain, if you'd like I can provide more info on Star Wars. In the event you decide to do a video on Luke, just know the Expanded Universe is where his true story is and not that garbage that's the Sequel Trilogy

I can't agree more with this comment. Palpatine may have been the one to ultimately exploit Anakin to turn, but it was the Jedi's fault that this happened for not helping Anakin emotionally or mentally.

Anakin definitely wasn’t fully fit to be a Jedi, nor was he fit to be a sith. He was a completely different type of man. He didn’t really have the same moral and emotional disposition as the Jedi and sith. He never wanted power for powers sake and to fuel ego, nor did he desire to follow authority, to conform, and accept the truths of the galaxy. The only selfish characteristic he had was over attachment, but that was largely because his attachments were his only source of true meaning in life.

@@bloodocean8389 I take it farther than that, in a way. Palpatine may have orchestrated the Fall of the Jedi Order, but with the way the Order was already going, presumably without influence from any Sith, I believe it was inevitably eventually going to destroy itself. It might take some time, but if they weren't willing to change, they were going to destroy themselves without the work of any villain. Yoda eventually realized some of the faults of the Order, but by that time, it was far too late. The Sith and the Jedi are two extremes on the opposite sides of the coin.

Well it isn't exactly the Jedi Code's fault. It wasn't designed to work for those who already had strong emotional attachments outside of the order. People like Anakin weren't supposed to be trained as Jedi in the first place as early in the history of the Jedi it was exactly those kind of beings who gave rise to dark side splinter groups and the Jedi Code was developed as a response in order to exclude those kinds of individuals from force training. For thousands of years afterwards, it was remarkably successful at curbing the number of fallen Jedi with only a handful of cases compared to nearly a 50% failure rate before. There was a good reason why the Code was designed the way it was. The failure was in trying to train Anakin anyway despite the obvious warning signs.

@@kylepessell1350 the code is flawed by trying to take emotional beings and ignoring their emotions. The sith are flawed by trying to use too much emotion.

*immovable object

True, unless Obi-Wan has the high ground.

*immovable

you just described their lightsaber forms XD

Actually, Obi wan was the unstoppable force, and he turned Anakin into an immovable object…

obi wan truly was the older brother figure, not the father

@@reinaldomartinez13 but force damn it he tried his best.

​@@stingerjohnny9951 So civilized

Qui-gon specifically had a hard time with his actual Palawan Obi-Wan because he couldn't connect with him and meet him at his level. Dont make up hypothetical situations just look at the ones you can see with your eyeballs

@@aroccoification clearly I’m not making it up and seeing the amount of likes including from the creator of the video a lot of people see what I see, you just have a different perspective and that’s cool

If I remember correctly, in the Revenge of the Sith novelization, Obi-Wan admits to Padmé that he always knew about her and Anakin’s relationship. He told her that he’d never expose them because he believed that it was Anakin’s only chance for happiness.

But then the problem is that he never was available emotionally for Anakin. A lot could’ve changed if Obi-wan would of found a moment with Anakin Aline and confront him but not in an accusatory way. In a way we’re getting can connect with him as a person who has had feelings for a significant other and not a strict Jedi. Anakin would of been more comfortable after telling him everything and his visions and why he wanted to be a master (to save padme)

pretty sure he did- there is at least 2 times he hints directly toward Anakin at Padme in the CW series (during the banking clan arc + during bad batch arc)

In the clone wars it’s made clear that Obi-Wan knew

​@ElPresidenteMargz it is pretty tragic because if Obi Wan and possibly Ashoka took Anakin aside and told him they knew of his secret marriage and weren't going to turn on him or negatively judge him, then he absolutely wouldn't have turned to the darkside. He never had that moment of emotional security with his friends who were essentially his siblings and he felt isolated

**Jedi**

Great quote but tlj did the wrong way but fallen order did better.

obiwan never learned from his mistakes & continued to perpetuate those very mistakes even after death as he trained luke as a force ghost

Not really.. he kept making the same mistakes even after death . Dude never learned

@@xReMi13x they weren’t mistakes, Luke was successful.

@@ElPresidenteMargz he and yoda trained Luke to be successful and Luke destroyed the sith. Many of obi-wan’s perceived mistakes were really Anakin’s failures it’s cowardly to absolve Anakin of responsibility for his life choices and deceptions.

@@the_endgame idk what movies you watched bro cause this is not even remotely correct at all.

Not really. If you were talking in his younger years yes. But og Naruto kakashi slowly learned and gained confidence in facing himself and living again even being able to reconcile with obito at the very end and his master

@@shivnarayan8532 I agree. If anything, Obi-Wan is akin to Takeshi Hongo-Kamen Rider Ichigo; not Kakashi Hatake the Copycat/6th Hokage.

@qandaykeremet interesting comparison! currently watching naruto kai and weirdly felt they were similar too, both lost their friends and reflect on their mistakes, both lost their teachers early on, but kakashi i think feels that sasuke may get consumed by vengeance for itachi and follow orochimaru but is trying to steer him away from it, he tries to keep sasuke away from itatchi, tries to tell him to avoid the curse mark and darkness/hatred, and is aware orichimaru is after him; i feel obiwan doesn't feel anakins connection to the dark side as much just maybe immaturity and attachment, recklessness and impatience, and vulnerability and confusion; he just fears palpatine is up to something malicious and his friendship to anakin has ulterior motive, i don't think he imagined anakin would join the dark side or go to such extreme lengths, he seemed quite shocked when he saw

@@shivnarayan8532boooooooo

Saitama: Pathetic

Obi-Wan tried to instill in Anakin humility. But… who knows? Who knows what right mix of discipline and encouragement was right for the kid?

​@@JEF_W Problem is that Obi-Wan utterly failed. Because while teaching Anakin humility was his intention, that is not what he actually did. Obi-Wan constantly humiliated Anakin. Anakin said : "He's overly critical." Which is true. Sure, you don't want to encourage arrogance. But there is a difference between encouraging arrogance and encouraging someone to be better. Obi-Wan's job was to acknowledge Anakin's progress and qualities, and then to tell him NICELY where he was failing short and to guide him in the right direction. Unfortunately, he only putted him down and never showed any proud in him in any way (except at the end - when it's too late and the damage is already done). This is toxic behaviour. This is an abuser keeping their victim down to better control them. Now, I know Obi-Wan did not consciously do so, but he did have a desire to shape Anakin into the perfect Jedi. Obi-Wan was focused on Anakin fulfilling his Destiny as the Chosen One. And to reach this goal, he forced him to fit into a box that wasn't meant for him. He became controlling of Anakin, because he refused to let him be who wanted to be, because 'Anakin's duty to the Order and as the Chosen One' came first.

Of course I know him, he's me

@@General_Kenobi. Hello there

The perfect Jedi IMO is Kanan Jarrus

Calling him a failure is a bit overkill. He made many mistakes but sometimes it is possible to make no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.

I think that plays into what sage said, anakin was raised through different lenses then the Jedi, as children they are conditioned without emotional attachment which is how Obi wan was taught as well. Luke was raised same as anakin but also taught in the Jedi ways, in many ways he was put in similar situations as his father but chose love instead of hate. Luke had an understanding of anakin that obi wan couldn’t because the invisible barrier the Jedi created with their peers. He was aware of anakins spiral but his teachings forced him not to be his true friend and save him like his son would in the end.

@@kaveonbatiste2821 the difference with Luke, though, is that he realized passion isn’t always a bad thing. He understood the power of being passionate with restraint, while Jedi like Obi-Wan restrained from passion in general. The most passionate you ever see Obi-Wan is in the arc’s in TCW where he is interacting with Satine and when he leaves Anakin for dead in ROTS.

@@testingmyaudioaddiction3452 Thats where I feel like experience comes in. Obi wan had felt the pain of loss many times over that he lost his way and instead of being compassionate, instructed luke to do what he though was right at the time.

@@testingmyaudioaddiction3452 exactly, what people missed in Return of the jedi is that Luke USES the dark side to beat Vader but unlike his father he keeps it in check

If there's a character that one would think is in the right of being broken, that's Obi-Wan. After all he had been through to the time the show took place, it puzzles me that there were people who dared to complain about his depression.

Never saw anyone complaining about that, what people complained about was the poor quality and writing of the show

@@felps_4500 i did. And yes; the show's performance was very poorly.

There are good ways to write a broken character. I assume the Obi-wan show did it badly. But I also never saw it, and don't plan to.

Not a single person expected Obi-Wan to be ANYTHING other than a broken shadow of a shell of his former self at the start of the show... What they HATED about the show was that it became the Leia Organa (A character who he LITERALLY shouldn't have even met based on lines from a new hope) and Sassy Black Lesbian Hunter show... Over the character who's name was the title of the goddamn show they were supposed to be watching...

The problem wasn't a lack of understanding and trust, it was the Jedi Way. Whenever Anakin was struggling with something, Obi-Wan would respond the way a jedi would and never the way someone who loved him would. He never sympathized and helped Anakin deal with his struggles, he just told him they were wrong of him to have just like all the other Jedi did. For example, Attack of the Clones.

Part of that I believe is the Clone Wars series really filling in the time between movies so it helps stop the changes from feeling so abrupt. I remember when the movies first came out before Clone Wars really got big that a lot of us felt Anakin's fall felt really sudden. The series gave us all the subtleties and smaller problems that were piling up, and really gave us the sense of how much time has passed for those problems to grow. I definitely agree about Obi-Wan being a cautionary tale. I think it's also a tale of what following the Jedi code TOO much is just as destructive as going completely against it. Qui-Gon was the closest we got to a Grey Jedi in the movies/shows (until we got Ahsoka who very much feels like a combination of Obi-Wan and Anakin's personalities, putting her right in the middle of the two extremes and as far as I can tell has come out the best of the three (and sooner than Obi-Wan) because of it, all things considered) and really seemed to be the ideal of what the Jedi should be.

What I love is that I grew up with these movies and I always love them, but the older Star wars heads always hated them and now it's like popular to love them and they're trying to backpedal and I love it

When it comes to how everyone always ends up talking about Anakin's fall from grace. I like to look at it as George Lucas not only telling us, "it takes a village", but how one person can be the block in a jenga tower to bring everything down, if that village doesn't understand their individual roles. Its a message to us all that us ignoring someone who is troubled, could unintentionally lead to catastrophic outcomes. Palpatine serves as the gateway drug to the lost soul whom is being ignored. That inner city kid who parents are too busy working, well those gang members on the corner will open their arms and appear as a friend the kid needed. Just like Palpatine for Anakin. The village failed Anakin, and catastrophe followed.

@@UTxTheArchangel "the village failed anakin, and catastrophe followed" is arguably the best summarization of what happened that i've ever seen. very well put.

​@@StonedHunterwhat did obi wan say about order 66

There’s a reason it’s called the Duel of the Fates. Maul lost the fight but the dark side won the second Qui-gon died. No longer would there be the right mentor for the Chosen one. Either the too rigid (Yoda/Mace), the too inexperienced (obi-wan), and most terrifyingly, the blackest of hearts (Palpatine).

​@@Historyandlegends789what was obi wan thoughts on order 66

@@preciousotoakhia9789he probably wasn’t the biggest fan

Sidious was afraid of Qui-Gon not because of his power, but his ideology. Qui-Gon was a perfect representation of what a true Jedi was supposed to be.

Bullshit. Qui gon was a useless character. His teachings were terrible

Obi-Wan is the ultimate troll of Star Wars. TCW just highlights it so well.

@@SammytheTongue I love the arc where him and Anakin get imprisoned with dooku by some pirates. So much sass

@@PixlPlayer "the count is trying to concentrate" :D

@@SammytheTongue Not to mention he is arguably the best duelist in the Order. Peak athleticism for real. The episode where he solos Maul and Oppress had me speechless.

@@SammytheTongue So, how was my funeral? 😏

People always hate on episode 3 of starwars but I love the fight scene between Kenobi and Skywalker on mustifar

​@Dimitri Litovsk the Prequels are great, actually. I've always loved them in spite of their flaws. Because the sequels are so bad it kind of opened everyone's eyes to how bad it can get and shows how bright the Prequels shine

Same here. Since I was a little boy, I instantly made a special click with Obi-Wan's archetype. To me at least; he's the best character in star wars. I still hope I will come to be like him one day.

He was the reigning master of Soresu, though.

@@SammytheTongue He IS the master of Soresu. But again it took him a while to even adopt that as a form. He didn’t use it for a while. Wasn’t until close to the end of the Clone Wars where he picked up that form and made it his own. And faced off against many other Jedi like Mace or Yoda or Kit Fisto or even Shaak Ti, I do not think he would win against them. But again that isn’t saying he is trash cause he is one of the best now but he didn’t start out as naturally gifted like Mace or Anakin or Dooku.

@BloodChron actually he was studying it almost right after Qui-Gon died because he saw the shortcomings of Ataru, and I would say that having a good training ethic is better than being naturally gifted. I mean, look at Revan, his lust for knowledge led him to be one of the most powerful of both Sith and Jedi. Imagine if Anakin had the drive to train and learn like Revan. He'd literally be unstoppable.

@@SammytheTongue He did start learning it but he didn’t become proficient in it till end of Clone Wars. And yes training hard and being consistent is always better than naturally gifted but if one is naturally gifted plus works just as hard…. It’s hard to beat them. Like I said Obi-Wan is amazing but he aint beating Mace or any of the others mentioned. They are just too powerful for him… Maaaybe he beats Kit Fisto but the others not a chance. Anakin in the comics has even mentioned Shaak-Ti and Mace he didn’t know if he could beat them. And he obviously wasn’t beating Yoda.

That's on the Order for training a mindless drone who ONLY obeys THEIR orders without question and NOT a person who listens to the will of the Force

Kenobi sort of told Luke though. In episode 5 when Luke wanted to go save Han and Leia, as well as in Episode 6 when he told him to ignore that Vader his his father and to just kill him. Which is extremely hypocritical, cowardly and down right manipulative of him. Obi-Wan failed Anakin, then showed twice over that he was too attached to him to kill him, and then plans for 23 to manipulate his failure's son to commit patricide. He shoved his guilt onto an innocent boy to absolve himself of his own failures. Then again, one shouldn't expect any less from the perfect member of a cult who kidnaps babies, indoctrinate them and send them onto a Battlefield at the age of 14.

Unpopular Opinion but Mace training Anakin would have been more of a disaster than throwing him back onto Tatooine. Mace already never really liked Anakin and would have been harsh on Anakin, leaving him no room for error. Assuming everything else goes the same, Palpatine would still have turned him. What Anakin actually needed was a strong father figure and Qui-Gon was the only one who could have provided that, instead if he had gotten trained by any other Jedi, Palpatine would still have exploited Anakin's need for a father

@@DarthJarJarTheGodlike Agreed. Anakin's very existence as a Jedi was a bend in the rules and a subversion of the traditions of the Jedi code. I don't think the use of emotion was the factor that would've helped Anakin but rather the flexibility of thinking outside of the Jedi Code, as his situation and his resulting temperament required a master and father figure who was able to take such unconventionality in their stride. In that sense, Mace was just as inflexible as any other Master Anakin could have been placed under the tutelage of. Mace echoes Sidious's rhetoric on the Invisible Hand in saying that Palpatine is too dangerous to be left alive, abandoning the Jedi code in the principle that you should not kill an unarmed prisoner, just because it was convenient for him to do so. It's ultimately this display of a master abandoning the code just because its getting in the way of what he wants that causes Anakin to perceive the jedi and the sith as not being all that different, since that code that he's been strictly holding himself to as a form of admonishment when he slips has just been treated by one of the highest people in the order as a convenient and optional moral justification for the Jedi's power rather than a set of iron-clad binding principles to live or die by. Kenobi, in Mace's position, would not have subverted the code in this way just because it was convenient, which ultimately would not have pushed Anakin's hand in the way that Mace's strike to kill Sidious ultimately did. You can see Kenobi's grounding influence in Anakin's strict, by-the-books view of what it means to be a "good Jedi" and by the standard he holds himself to after instances in which he subverts it. Kenobi's demonstration of what a Jedi should strive to be serves as Anakin's moral compass and sense of direction with which he can still try to right himself even if he steps out of line. So again, I think Anakin would have actually become disillusioned with the Jedi even faster under Mace than he eventually did under Kenobi for the exact reason that all Jedi except Qui Gon were tied as minimally suitable in their flexibility of thinking and thus is was through their demonstration of adherence to the code that they were preaching that they can ultimately be ranked by in terms of suitability for being Anakin's master, in which Kenobi arguably places highest and thus is (after Qui Gon) the second best choice for Anakin. Potential hot take of my own: I think that it wasn't actually Kenobi that failed Anakin. He was one of the only people that was actually able to *delay* his fall through his first hand demonstration of actualising all of those Jedi ideals. It's no coincidence that Sidious waits for moments in which Kenobi's grounding influence is absent to make his most important moves. First in spurring Anakin on to kill Dooku when Kenobi is unconscious and again in pushing him all the way once Obi is away battling Grievous. I think it was the much more blatant hypocrisy of a lot of other Jedi that failed Anakin and if the rest of the Order was as strictly adherent to the code as Obi Wan, Anakin would not have fallen. It was Sidious's ability to make the lines of thinking between the Jedi and the Sith seem similar, using this hypocrisy, that was one of the most potent and convincing pieces of ammunition in his arsenal in his turning of Anakin. Fear is a path to the Dark Side and yet almost the entirety of the council and the Order as a whole seemed to be scared of Anakin from Day 1 and thus didn't trust him. Among the more senior Jedi, it's seemingly only Obi Wan that doesn't somewhat fear Anakin and who trusts him in ROTS to not fail him. If a lot of other Jedi didn't treat the code as this nebulous, optional thing that could be dropped and re-adapted as it suited them much like Anakin himself did in these moments of weakness, I don't think the hypocrisy of the Jedi Order could have been weaponized by Sidious as a straw to break the camel's back in Anakin's turn to Darth Vader, as we can see in Revenge of the Sith that even with this hypocrisy in place, Anakin is so, so agonisingly close to still making the 'right' choices. So tldr, I think that if the majority of the Order were as consistent to the values they preached as Kenobi and ultimately set aside their caution of Anakin to embrace him and trust him as one of their own once they decided to allow him to be trained, Anakin's path would have no doubt still have been an unsteady and rocky one but he ultimately would have been fine and felt secure enough in the order to hold his nerve against his nightmares about Padme long enough for the twins to be born healthily and without complication, as it was ultimately his own instability and turn to evil that proved fatal to Padme through a broken heart. Then with Grievous defeated, the war over and with Palpatine's temptations no longer holding any weight, he would have stabilised again and gone on to become a Master just as he had desired.

@@casualhavoc Damn, that was a long comment but yeah I agree with pretty much everything here

Not at all. Anakin chose to give into the dark side purely because of selfish reasoning. He didn't want and was not willing to let go. That's it. Palpatine enabled him, and so Anakin chose him. Nothing the Jedi Council could have done, shy of locking Anakin up until Padmé gave birth, would have changed what happened. Luke wouldn't have fallen to the darkside because the dark side requires attachment. Moreover, nothing on the death star mattered to the war efforts. Regardless of what happened, the Rebels would still destroy the death star and kill everyone therein. The war was won the moment the ewoks chose to help. After Luke's use of force convinced the Ewoks to release himself and Han, he was irrelevant to the war.

@@corruptangel6793 I disagree on one point. Yes, Anakin chose to give into the dark side, but partially because the Jedi ultimately failed him as a source of moral guidance. He kills a literally unarmed Dooku, which was quite a dark side aligned act, and admonishes himself for this moment of weakness right afterwards because killing him wasn't the Jedi way. He uses this Jedi way, a moral compass mostly demonstrated to him in concrete actions rather than just pretty words via Kenobi, as a guiding principle on what his perception of ideal morality is. Whether he actually adheres to that is another matter altogether but he does show a trend of trying to re-centre himself to this morality very strictly right after he does anything in violation of it. Fast forward to Palpatine's office and Mace is about to kill an 'unarmed' Palpatine because he is "too dangerous to be left alive". A line very deliberately echoing what Palpatine says about the unarmed Dooku. Was Mace ultimately correct in his reasoning due to Sidious's influence over the courts and the Senate? Yeah, but abandoning the Jedi code so blatantly just because it was convenient is exactly the opposite of what Anakin needed to see in that moment. What Anakin needed to see was Mace making the harder choice of taking Palpatine as a prisoner, as the dogma of the order would have dictated he should do. Mace takes the harder path of leaving Sidious alive because the code says so, Anakin can take more confidence in trusting the Jedi way and taking the harder path of resisting the dark side's temptation of gaining powers to influence life and death to save Padme because the code says so. Because in his eyes, if someone as high up in the order as Mace could casually defy the Jedi code just because it was inconvenient for him in that moment, why couldn't Anakin do the same in his pursuit to save Padme's life? Was his reasoning still selfish? Absolutely, but through seeing the selfishness and hypocrisy of other members of the order and having very few true role models who actually engaged with the teachings of the Jedi code in good faith, Anakin was hardly set up for success.

@@casualhavoc Mace wasn't forsaking the code, Sidious was very much still armed, and he knew it. It was completely different than with Dooku, who was a known enemy of the Republic with no power left. Political or otherwise. Not to mention, Mace Windu wasn't acting out of revenge but duty. On the surface, the situations are similar, but if you actually stop to think, you'll see that they are very different. Context is important. "But how am I to know the good side from the bad?" "You will know when you are calm. At peace." - Yoda and Luke, ESB Mace Windu was calm and rational. He was staying true to his duty as a Jedi and knew what needed to be done. Anakin was frazzled, panicked, and ruled by his fear of loss. He was anything but calm. Anakin was using the code and morality as an excuse. It didn't actually matter to him. When push came to shove, Anakin exposed his true motivation: "You can't. He must stand trial." "He has control of the courts and the senate. He's too dangerous to be left alive." "It's not the Jedi way. He must live! I need him! No!!!" He then almost immediately realizes how badly he fucked up. "What have I done?!" Anakin didn't care about the Jedi or the Republic at that moment. He was just saying anything he could to keep Palpatine alive because he was the only chance he had of saving Padmé. "If I die...any chance of saving her...will be lost." It's not a matter of trust. Anakin is ruled by his fear. A slave to it. "Always to the future he looked. Never on where he was! What he was doing!" - Yoda, ESB It's a much more extreme version of the lesson Obi-Wan struggled with in TPM. "I have a bad feeling about this." "I don't sense anything." "Not here. Elsewhere...elusive." "Don't center on your anxieties, Obi-Wan." "But Master Yoda said I should be mindful of the future." "But not at the expense of the moment. Keep your mind here and now where it belongs." The Jedi code called Anakin to perform his duty. To let go of his selfish fear and save the galaxy. He chose to give into fear. That's all there is to it.

@@corruptangel6793 That's a very valid assessment of it in a way I hadn't properly considered to be fair. It's absolutely not Mace's fault in that specific scenario because Palpatine had been very careful in his engineering of the situation. There was a reason I put '..' around my definition of Palpatine as unarmed as I appreciated even then the active threat he still posed to Windu, I was just too lax in appreciating the weight of his role in limiting Mace's options, causing a domino effect into incentivising Anakin to act rashly. I suppose I was too lost in thinking about the only real way in which that situation *might* have been salvageable to appreciate realistically, without any knowledge of the future that the viewer is privileged to have, what the right course of action in the moment seemed to be and whether that "ideal" course of action would have actually been all that realistic of a choice given the circumstances. I suspect protagonist bias also plays a part in inviting viewers like me to place much more weight on the factors surrounding Anakin's decisions (ie, the Jedi Council, Sidious, etc) rather than his own inherent character flaws, since we've had front row seats to the sedimentation of those factors stacking upon one another over the course of his life. Thank you for the fresh perspective on this :)

@sagesrain

Don't forget Sasuke's natural talent as well

Qui Gon was Anakin’s father figure. Obi Wan was older his brother.

@@petermj1098 yep, didn't say otherwise