F850GS vs Africa Twin vs Tiger 800 | OFF-ROAD Review - 2018 MY Comparison - Part II

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6 жыл бұрын

It’s off-road time! The rivals: BMW F850GS, Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sports and Triumph Tiger 800 XCa - all of them are 2018 my bikes and all of them are new for this year. In the first episode we took them out for a street test, to figure out which one is the best for touring and curvy roads, but these are not touring machines.
These are adventure bikes and an adventure motorcycle should work both on and off-road. So we left the asphalt and went to some scenic unpaved routes in the Apuseni Mountains in Romania to see who’s the best and to pick a winners.
So, which is the best middleweight adventure motorcycle for 2018? The BMW F850GS, the Honda Africa Twin or the Triumph Tiger 800 XCa? Vote for it here: drvm.co/youtue9acf
Part I: • F850GS vs. Africa Twin...
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@markjacobs6294
@markjacobs6294 5 жыл бұрын
Holy Sh%$!!!!! The Tiger? The FIRST time ever in a real comparo that it wins. You guys must not be on the BMW payroll like most testers. I love my 2016 XCa so much I'm turning it into a 2019 XCa.
@tomhenderson2575
@tomhenderson2575 5 жыл бұрын
I came to the same conclusion last fall, bought the Tiger 800. I don't ride trails or rough terrain, but lots of gravel roads and 2 lane pavement. The GS was my other consideration...the AT is just to tall for me. I have no regrets.
@Guy-ns1hk
@Guy-ns1hk 5 жыл бұрын
I took the Tiger onto a gravel road with huge chunky gravel, and it was like a magic carpet ride. I love it!
@farazbaber7239
@farazbaber7239 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for such a thorough review in parts 1&2 - first class review and now a new subscriber to your channel. 10/10!
@paproplop
@paproplop 6 жыл бұрын
Great review guys! Looks like you are having a blast while reviewing the bikes. (And what amazing roads you have there!)
@TheDavidGoldmanphoto
@TheDavidGoldmanphoto 6 жыл бұрын
I did not see that coming. Thanks for that guys!!
@madke666
@madke666 6 жыл бұрын
Best KZfaq channel! Congratulations
@FoolishMuleProds
@FoolishMuleProds 5 жыл бұрын
You guys put these bikes to the TEST. Now THAT'S a complete review. Well done.
@wadejensen3301
@wadejensen3301 6 жыл бұрын
Great video guys... And really enjoyed seeing some of Romania's scenery... beautiful!
@martyman25008
@martyman25008 6 жыл бұрын
Great review! Thanks so much! I love your style of review - no nonsense and all about 'how it rides', NOT what the spec's say! Congrats!
@pavo555
@pavo555 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah me too! Don't like crap talk about sepecks, hp, size of the disks wheels and other shit...what for?i can googled it! All i want is how the bike is like, that's all
@mcfarm806
@mcfarm806 6 жыл бұрын
Great reviews with some surprises, thanks.
@brianwaggoner3138
@brianwaggoner3138 6 жыл бұрын
Love your videos...you guys are fun to watch and offer a lot of helpful information. Keep it up!!
@christiantegethoff1337
@christiantegethoff1337 6 жыл бұрын
Realy great test with best comments and pictures!
@jage6126
@jage6126 6 жыл бұрын
You guys are amazing! Very good review from real world riders, amazing camera work, real proffesionals. I have just found my favourite channel! And... i have now put Romania as a "must visit place" for this summer with the bike. I am mot a tent guy, so i hope there is signs saying "rooms" along the roads. ;)
@mauricioposso1
@mauricioposso1 6 жыл бұрын
The best useful review I've seen and waited for. As you said, it's about how are you going to use the bike. Very surprising ending.... the key point I needed to make my decision for the british one. Great job guys. It would be a great help an instruction video on how to properly setup suspensions when you come on-road or off-road. Great job guys!! and Cheers from Panamá
@kfiratias7026
@kfiratias7026 6 жыл бұрын
Great review - Thanks guys! Eventually, it is very depends on the feeling of the rider with the motorcycle... I choose the F850GS and enjoy every moment with it. Keep up the good work and make life a ride ;-)
@Kendoji1
@Kendoji1 6 жыл бұрын
Oh man, you guys make the best ADV videos by far. This was awesome to watch. I loved the surprise plot twist at the end (I ride a Tiger) and the funny very last bit. :-D
@PJ3721
@PJ3721 6 жыл бұрын
LOVED the review I’m going to eventually get a Triumph Tiger 800 xcx when I graduate with my engineering degree. I just love the looks of the bike, economy, cost of ownership, and this review showed it to be the best overall riding experience. Going to get those side cases though
@topgun8683
@topgun8683 6 жыл бұрын
Great camera footage, riding, review and scenery, what more could you ask more ! Your accents are pretty cool to !
@blooskyy7
@blooskyy7 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic review and channel
@AndrewRockliff
@AndrewRockliff 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video and storyline... thank you so much.
@egary1974
@egary1974 6 жыл бұрын
Your videos are getting better. This was particularly well done. You have a good videographer with you! He/she did well
@manologocho
@manologocho 6 жыл бұрын
excellent review and the enviroment of the road amazing views, great bikes also, congrats for the video, and cheers from Merida, Venezuela, keep posting always wachting, love the sound of the africa twin ¡¡¡
@dionisispro257
@dionisispro257 6 жыл бұрын
Love the conclusion....not expecting it
@freiheut
@freiheut 5 жыл бұрын
I like your videos. Well done! 👍🏍
@hoagiesherlin7732
@hoagiesherlin7732 6 жыл бұрын
Wow I never knew Romania was so beautiful awesome video guys Africa twins my favorite
@michaelkeating7380
@michaelkeating7380 6 жыл бұрын
Hoagie Sherlin That has been my choice too. Second hand 2016 DCT last week. Bringing it to Transylvania for 2 weeks in August. Might run into the guys there 😁
@MrJacqueslouwvermeul
@MrJacqueslouwvermeul 6 жыл бұрын
All 3x these bikes are great. None of them are bad. The Triumph to me is best. Even better than the 1200 GS LC I have ridden this past few days. The Triumph is very smooth in every respect and the noise and character of the triple does it for me.
@paulbookbinder4899
@paulbookbinder4899 6 жыл бұрын
Hoagie Sherlin
@jaroslavklima4591
@jaroslavklima4591 6 жыл бұрын
Heh Romania is one of the most beautiful countries on this planet to ride adventure bike...
@poseilord
@poseilord 5 жыл бұрын
Michael Keating I will be there at the end of August. See you
@gdritchie
@gdritchie 6 жыл бұрын
Not my kind of bike but brilliant review gents, doesnt get much more thorough than that and the scenery looked amazing !
@jasonshortphd
@jasonshortphd 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and review. Loved it. I think all three of these are great bikes.
@louiebodenstaff2352
@louiebodenstaff2352 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome review, keep up the good work! … oh yes, and I agree with the Triumph!
@orionbud
@orionbud 6 жыл бұрын
IMHO, the only thing that prevents the Tiger from being the perfect middle weight is lack of tubeless tires. Beyond that, it has the best suspension, the smoothest engine with the widest rev range, and the best electronics. The only reason i'd even consider the AT with its shortcomings is because it's significantly less expensive, and the leftover $$ would allow me to dial it in exactly how I want it.
@MaramuresDualSport
@MaramuresDualSport 6 жыл бұрын
Hohooo, da, traseul dinspre Salciua spre Rimet, Bradesti sau Ponor...Huda lui Papara si Vanatarile Ponorului. Dementiala zona! Fain clip! Keep'em coming ;)
@lorgagssertao4036
@lorgagssertao4036 6 жыл бұрын
Ai ui! Careful with those muddy tracks mate!! Just like Bob Marley said: "Get up! Stand up! Stand up on those foot pegs!!" Great video! Keep them coming!!
@g02n2
@g02n2 3 жыл бұрын
Great review, it's great to hear riders talking about things that matter and recognising each bike has its strengths. I have a 2011 Tiger, and everything you say is true (especially about having little low down torque). It's not the best at one thing, but a great allrounder. I'd definitely buy the new version. If only I could keep up with my GS friends off-road - then it would be perfect. Thanks guys
@Deltachange
@Deltachange 4 жыл бұрын
Good fair and comprehensive review guys!
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 4 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@Artsparkle
@Artsparkle 4 жыл бұрын
Nice review! :)
@paulobalixa7096
@paulobalixa7096 5 жыл бұрын
Good stuf! Thanks, great work . 👏👍
@TimoSchmidRobinson
@TimoSchmidRobinson 4 жыл бұрын
great vid guys and really helped in my research for an adventure bike. also, romania looks absolutely stunning so it goes onto the bucket list.
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 4 жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@danielpork8416
@danielpork8416 6 жыл бұрын
Great channel
@cristian.cilander1052
@cristian.cilander1052 6 жыл бұрын
Muy bueno el informe... Y muy buena edición... La verdad es que las tres motos son excelentes, y sin dudas la elección es muy personal... Gracias por las imágenes!!!
@hikeandphoto2521
@hikeandphoto2521 6 жыл бұрын
Great video and a really beautiful landscape!! So the number 2 on both areas is the best overral!!
@Tomos13
@Tomos13 6 жыл бұрын
Romania should be on everyones bucket list. So amazing!
@citternboy
@citternboy 5 жыл бұрын
Carpathian Mountains are beautiful
@pavo555
@pavo555 4 жыл бұрын
It is on mine...:)
@robpinter5431
@robpinter5431 5 жыл бұрын
Just bought a Tiger too, great off road and goes like a sports bike on road.
@MADDOG100ful
@MADDOG100ful 4 жыл бұрын
I LOVE MY TIGER WOULD BUY ANOTHER IF ANYTHING HAPPENED TO IT !!!!
@brucekendall52
@brucekendall52 5 жыл бұрын
Watched again,thks guys.
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bruce. New review coming up today :)
@tomgriffin5149
@tomgriffin5149 6 жыл бұрын
awesome channel
@phattdaddy2974
@phattdaddy2974 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review guys, I know it must have been very hard work. Would the R1250GS HD have been too big of a bike on that adventure or is it not an issue as far as weight and size?? I'm really leaning toward the 1250GS HD b/c I am interested in the shift cam, the 850 doesn't have that. Your thoughts are appreciated fellas. Thanks.
@davidskaggs9914
@davidskaggs9914 4 жыл бұрын
I went with the 2019 Tiger 800 can't wait to take it off road. I already love it on pavement. Great reviews...you guys have the best job😁
@ecirlos4601
@ecirlos4601 10 ай бұрын
Does it feel hot from the engine too close to your body?
@2Timone7
@2Timone7 5 жыл бұрын
A huge surprise when y'all said you'd buy the Tiger. I think I'd take your advice if my riding were 50/50 highway and off road. But, my riding is more 90/10 highway/off road (and the off road is just gravel roads, fire/logging roads), so mine would be the Africa Twin.Keep making the great videos, guys!
@applecorp
@applecorp 4 жыл бұрын
Well in your case the Tiger 800 XRT would be the best choice, it's mainly for road use.
@trekkydelirium-vroom5821
@trekkydelirium-vroom5821 4 жыл бұрын
The buy the new Tiger 900 GT.
@dutydruid9375
@dutydruid9375 5 жыл бұрын
Another great review guys, thanks. i guess another reason to buy these bikes would be the amount of accessories available from each manufacturer. For me, i have the Tiger but whats great about motorcycling is we all make our own choices and that variety is cool.
@vicsusinetti3482
@vicsusinetti3482 6 жыл бұрын
Well done lads. Excellent production. You do know you have set the bar pretty high now?
@TR5T
@TR5T 5 жыл бұрын
Good review,
@jaywhoisit4863
@jaywhoisit4863 6 жыл бұрын
My brother in law lives in Romania. This video has convinced me to go visit.
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 6 жыл бұрын
These are the Apuseni Mountains. Worth a visit!
@fredludwig4774
@fredludwig4774 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your great comparison! Could you please tell me how tall you are
@rudolfchvatal4556
@rudolfchvatal4556 6 жыл бұрын
guys, you are doing great job ! Romania is beautiful country and looking forward to be there on my GS in September. Greetings from Czech
@americanflyer4126
@americanflyer4126 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, guys. I'd love to own one of these bikes one day. The 1000-1200cc ADV bikes are too big and the 650s are too small. These are perfect. Beautiful footage and excellent editing too. I didn't know Romania was so beautiful either. And a surprise ending. I love Triumph's triples and you guys didn't talk about it too much so I was happy to see it on top in the end. One suggestion: put some info on the screen: weight, price, seat height, horsepower. Compare the bikes like that. Thanks!
@rilimeu
@rilimeu 6 жыл бұрын
I just bougth an African Twin and its just amazing
@mapogostrength5773
@mapogostrength5773 4 жыл бұрын
Juan Ricardo Moreno Ortega can u pls tell about the mileage...?
@aditya4397
@aditya4397 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video guys... Could you also compare luggage system for all 3 manufacturers...
@kostasra
@kostasra 6 жыл бұрын
The grand tour for the cars and DriveMag for the bikes!!! Keep walking guys!!!
@patmr9712
@patmr9712 3 жыл бұрын
Great Bike comparison in a beautiful area! Could you also tell something about Romania (recommendations for Tours)?
@aikssen1
@aikssen1 6 жыл бұрын
It was a big surprise your final decision!, I was expecting something completely different. But I'm agree with that. Perhaps the most beautiful one.. Africa twin, the best engine sound.. Tiger and it also has a lot of package options to pick up from the retailer.
@motorzycle
@motorzycle 6 жыл бұрын
You are correct sir. The Triumph Tiger 800 is the best all around bike. That’s why I bought the same bike you tested.
@davej3736
@davej3736 6 жыл бұрын
Why did I choose the Tiger? I LOVE triples. It behaves like a well-tuned hooligan sport bike on asphalt, loves the twisties all the day long. That torqey triple pulls like a mule in any gear. No flat spots. Just hauls ass. Off road? enough to get you in or out of trouble. Stay off the throttle, and you will stay out of trouble...remember, these are not dirt bikes with big engines. psst...ditch the stock exhaust and treat it to an Arrow :-)
@nikkastellorizios6585
@nikkastellorizios6585 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome review Christian RIP
@MrFreakwent
@MrFreakwent 6 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up to your camera man! Great review made better with superior video.
@GrzegorzGlider
@GrzegorzGlider 6 жыл бұрын
Halo, Can you provide the truck you have performed the tests of those bikes? Thanks in advance.
@geirstella10
@geirstella10 6 жыл бұрын
Romania is beautiful! What tires were you using and do you recommend them?
@Lawman-196
@Lawman-196 6 жыл бұрын
Great review and honest opinions....funny how outcomes aren't so clear cut.
@ArrowXDesign
@ArrowXDesign 6 жыл бұрын
Cool videos beautiful country. I just rode my 2015 Tiger Xcx800 2100 miles (3400km) through Glacier park, Beartooth pass, Bighorns and every kind of road in between. It does do pretty well all around. Thanks for one of the best real world comparisons I've seen on bikes.
@percussion44
@percussion44 2 жыл бұрын
Glacier National park Montana or BC?
@ArrowXDesign
@ArrowXDesign 2 жыл бұрын
Montana..... Super crowded there at that time and believe it or not, barely room to park a motorcycle!
@SylvieJeansonneJS
@SylvieJeansonneJS 6 жыл бұрын
Adorée 😍😍😍😍
@EnostheChimp92
@EnostheChimp92 6 жыл бұрын
Did both the GS and Africa Twin have an Arrow Exhaust?
@retiredstillriding843
@retiredstillriding843 6 жыл бұрын
Just out of interest how tall are you guys, which bike do you think would suit the taller biker 6’4
@democratic_chocolate2067
@democratic_chocolate2067 4 жыл бұрын
Love your accent dude!!
@GerhardCombrink
@GerhardCombrink 6 жыл бұрын
Really glad the BMW redeemed itself off road. Does it have a steering damper? What if the adventure to be launched has progressive springs and a wider electronic adjustment range for the suspension also in front to provide the same off road handling but for added luggage weight and better on road handling?
@pinkiewerewolf
@pinkiewerewolf 6 жыл бұрын
hahaha, great ending, after the final decision. I'm still in the market for the ATAS Manual Transmission (though it will be a while as I just bought a H-D Ultra Classic) because I have to take into consideration that for many long trips I will have Ms Wolf with me. Two-up in all riding aspects changes everything. The larger fuel range in remote Canada and Alaska will be as important as some of the other factors. So, the ATAS still has me hooked for that future purchase.
@johannescarlsson4559
@johannescarlsson4559 6 жыл бұрын
Would be nice if you could make a similar review for tires. What is best if you do both twisties and off road. If you could only have one set of tires for this review, what would you choose?
@jbdesch6318
@jbdesch6318 6 жыл бұрын
Dear Friends... you made a great job.
@AltoPrado
@AltoPrado 5 жыл бұрын
A bit later now? I’m between the 850 GS and the 790 Adv R.... any thoughts, comments...???
@actstuntcam
@actstuntcam 3 жыл бұрын
That was a great review and really helpful. That is the first review that says the AT is good on-road riding fast - I was soooooo surprised. If it is better than a Tiger, it must be very good. I've ridden the original 800 Tiger, and it was sensational on road. Everyone is raving about the AT as an off-road option (apart from the soft suspension) so I was surprised it came last there. I'm wondering if your opinions would have been different on the standard AT, as that is lower, with a lower seat height and is lighter than the DCT. This would have made it less intimidating off-road. Cheers, Campbell
@RobertoLAguero
@RobertoLAguero 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! Would love to see a comparison with the ktm 1090 adv r too!
@jblevins400
@jblevins400 6 жыл бұрын
RobertoLAguero they had to leave it out because it would make the others look bad..
@anujaustin
@anujaustin 5 жыл бұрын
well done, I take your comment on my decision for next bike
@leemski
@leemski 3 жыл бұрын
Nice review. You actually can't go wrong with either of those brands. Just choose what's please you the most. One thing is to let someone influencing you (which is the worst case) and the other, ride and test on your own (which is the best way to choose a bike). Personally, if I had to choose on paper and with my wallet, my hart goes to Honda: most reliable of those three, much cheaper to maintain, fun to ride (DCT is so freaking step ahead over manual clutching), looks amazing, what a sound! If I was doing only off-road I would go with something lighter... like the secret yet to come Africa Twin model 2021 oscillating somewhere between 700cc & 850cc, that is apparently coming to us at the end of 2020... This going to be a hot cake! Cheers!
@jetlibunao9776
@jetlibunao9776 5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful! Getting better n better! Q: Why run through the rut when you have hard packed dirt in the middle?😂
@murraydupley9330
@murraydupley9330 5 жыл бұрын
what bike going to break down 1st? the bmw then the tiger
@staninjapan07
@staninjapan07 5 жыл бұрын
I now want to live in Romania. Can you get me a visa, please? :) Great pair of videos, but now I want to ask why you did not have a fourth rider on a V-Strom? I had the 650 version for 5 years and it was superb in my opinion. I am sure the 1000 version would measure up well compared to these. Thanks for the videos.
@gavinfraser7784
@gavinfraser7784 5 жыл бұрын
Great video was great to hear the tiger is what you would all buy but you also was clear that it is down to choice simply as there isn’t much between the bikes of today and as for me it’s Tiger every time 🏍🏍🏍
@andyscheurweg5315
@andyscheurweg5315 5 жыл бұрын
Like your videos, I'm curious when you review the KTM 790 adventure R.
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 5 жыл бұрын
Hello. It's already on our channel. Check among the latest videos.
@UHTMK3579
@UHTMK3579 5 жыл бұрын
Tiger is the Range Rover of adventure bikes I have ridden Africa twin, r1200gs, ducati multistrada enduro and triumph tiger but tiger was the most relaxing and comfortable motorcycle I loved it
@papachis9535
@papachis9535 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. What a final choice.!
@hanswurst4633
@hanswurst4633 5 жыл бұрын
Still missing the (Off-) Road Maps of your beautiful trips in Romania...
@thejohnnerparty
@thejohnnerparty 6 жыл бұрын
I know this question is outside of the video, but I am interested in the Honda CB500X with the Rally Raid level II kit with spoke wheels. Do you know about it? If so, what is your impression?
@gregrichards8607
@gregrichards8607 6 жыл бұрын
John Roth if you haven’t found this guy already blancolirio is a great channel and he builds a 2014 bike up in about 3 videos. Has Jenny Morgan on a couple of videos too. Also look for an adventure ride in Aussie outback where the founder of rally raid (John?) takes his bike into the bush 600km with a bunch of ktm buds. All good information
@tmwetter7158
@tmwetter7158 4 жыл бұрын
Honda should really consider bringing a 650-850ccm "Mini" Africa Twin. The big one is great and really capable Offroad, but i think its just too much for normal People.
@alexdhutanu
@alexdhutanu 6 жыл бұрын
Buna treaba baieti! I would choose the BMW for the safety: cornering ABS. Also tubeless tires, luggage options, low seat, cruise control. V-am pupat, din Australia
@porvenirlopez
@porvenirlopez 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video bro. Can you make a review like this but for the f750 gs ? Thanks
@DriveMagRiders
@DriveMagRiders 6 жыл бұрын
The F750... I wouldn't go to far in off-road. 19 inches front, cast wheels, shorter suspension travel
@brucekendall52
@brucekendall52 6 жыл бұрын
Thks guys.Looked forward to your comments.
@stevebolton8471
@stevebolton8471 5 жыл бұрын
Ha ha, brilliant conclusion at the end. Great reviews!
@TheDacane
@TheDacane 5 жыл бұрын
I noticed that starting in 2018 the Africa Twin stopped getting constant praise for feeling light, nimble, manageable etc. The competition did get better, but they also started using the taller, heavier ATAS model for all reviews. I cant help but wonder if pushing the ATAS on everything is hurting the Africa Twin?
@scldma114
@scldma114 6 жыл бұрын
Guys, very nice video as usual but on some things i have some doubts: a) if your knee were hitting the edge of the tank going downhill (whatever bike) you were riding it wrong. Downhill you shift the weight on the back of the bike with you butt well behind the line of the pegs, toes of your feet up and arms consequently a bit stretched and you clinch the bike between your legs. If you stay like that no way you can hit the edge of the tank (unless you were hitting hit badly also on flat). It would have been a bit different had you the problem going uphill. B) from what i saw on the video you were riding these quite conservatively basically on gravel road. Those condition you can tackle even with a street bike. You want to find what these bike can do what, you'd need something more technical and push these a bit harder, then you find out which one is cut for the off-road and which just have the look. C) why the AT adventure sport, while in terms of dimensions compared with the other 2 the AT standard would have been likely a more coherent choice? That said great video and thanks for sharing it with us.
@miehoh
@miehoh 5 жыл бұрын
Good job, gentlemen. Certainly all three are good bikes and at the end it might be a matter of taste. My favorites would be the GS and the Tiger, however not to forget about that the Tiger despite its marvelous triple engine has quite little torque at low rpm which disqualifies a bit for offroad.
@kymstock1852
@kymstock1852 5 жыл бұрын
The real question is can the Tiger 800 perform well on dirt roads and even when it gets a bit gnarly. Answer= yes it is easily capable. I have ridden my 2015 model across Australia twice in all conditions. The '18 model now has a lower first gear and better handle bar position for standing on dirt sections. The motor is very tractable from lower revs, it just pulls smoothly away. Very forgiving in real life riding conditions.
@MattSpooner69
@MattSpooner69 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see FPS Russia is still making KZfaq videos
@SAMFICOM
@SAMFICOM 4 жыл бұрын
I did not see Tiger on your Russian Road of Bones trip. So dropping lies GS is better?
@user-pu1iu7sc3y
@user-pu1iu7sc3y 5 жыл бұрын
This video makes me want to go to Romania with adventure bike.
@Markcantfindausernam
@Markcantfindausernam 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting conclusion but well considered I thought.
@clayderouin857
@clayderouin857 6 жыл бұрын
ya great video in many ways, but you need to be fair in your comparison. A manual transmission ATAS should have been used and perhaps even similar bike protection, even if it had to be added. Also, was the ATAS tank always full off-road when you were comparing it to a bike that hold 8 litres less of fuel? I realize there’s lots of variables, but before you go telling everyone which bike is better ‘offroad’ please try to keep your testing somewhat fair. anyway, great work anyhow and i would certainly love to watch a fair re-do. thanx, Clay D
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