Finally someone is actually using state of the art science to analyze friction and oil instead of homemade friction and wear tests.

Awesome job- keep bring us these type testing data/results. Many engine builders need lube/wear/friction analysis for flat tappets / cam lobes. Would love to see you tackle this area of an engine wear / failure.

The use of oils on cutting tools can dramatically increase the life of the tooling. You have 2 pieces bearing against each other with the purpose of removing material- you'd think adding oil would decrease the effectiveness, right? Not necessarily so. In fact, if you use the right oil with the right cutting tool, you will dramatically increase tool life, in addition to a marked improvement in surface finish in the piece being cut. My point being that friction and wear aren't always directly coupled.

Looking forward for the High Zinc oil tests wear vs friction

Guys this was awesome! I used to do power cylinder development about 20 years ago at Nav - worked with the guys at Dana in Muskegon on oil consumption & ring coatings. brings back good memories. I would like to hear more about additives that help wear but do not increase friction as well as PVD coatings that help ring/bore wear interactions. building endurance race old BMW inline 6's with wide factory rings (1.75mm/2.0mm) and would like to free up some hp.

The water ski analogy lit a light in my head, like an epiphany!

You guys are University level…and I fxxking LOVE IT. I did Science at Uni and seeing the practical application in my hobby (fanatical about Diesel engines). Can’t wait to rebuild my engine in my 4x4.. in the meantime I’ll keep learning as much as I can. Toyotas under engineering has thrust me on this path. Learning starts at Uni, continues through life. The best part…anyone can educate themselves thanks to YT and guys as awesome as you guys that appreciate that to be industry leaders you need to invest in real science. I also love reading independent reports from different additive makes. Unfortunately, these reports are a bit outside the scope of non science educated…we need a YT channel that explains independent reports.

The diversity of Stev-o is amazing.

Love the geek out moment around 12:12 on how cool a job it is. You can see from how passionate you two are! If I'd known about this field, I would've stuck with engineering in school...but at least I can learn some from you guys!

The energy from these guys is awsome let alone the technology

14 minutes of video, and still no real information. Which oils? Which additives? What ring coatings? ???

this series needs a playlist, having a hard time finding all results

I agree with every comment I read. This is fantastic scientific information which equals a lot of horsepower, time, and money. Knowledge is Power, literally

I'll be in the market for a piston ring package soon. I'll seriously look into these thinner, coated Total Seal rings. 💪🏆

The excitement is riveting! Im geeking out too!!!

Cant Wait for seeing the tests...

SWRI is a really cool place. Wish I would have known about them when I was in college because I would have loved to have worked there. Happens to be down the road from a secondary place for my current job.

Will your company be offering these coatings on your rings? Specifically the set that would be gapless and slated for a diesel? I love this sort of knowledge transfer!

Can’t wait to see the SEM/(EDS) Scanning Electron Microscope info

Nice Bruker 3D White Light Measurement system-Gives so much more information than a single trace stylus

Tribology is NOT the study of tribes folks. Listen up now!😊

This is great info, however its very small part of the big picture. How does the ring wear and friction changes affect ring seal? Assuming the best results for wear and friction equate to power output is maybe misleading. Also, how close are the results of the testing to real world? I'm sure you have a pressure applied to the ring that is similar to a calculated pressure on a running engine at a given power. How does changing the pressure affect the behavior of the additives. Other thoughts, heat from the combustion process and fuel contaminates will all have affects on this test. Again, its great data to have, but much like a flow bench, the results could be miss leading and need to be backed up with power and wear data from an engine ran in its environment.

Tuned in for more Thank you guys for the research efforts

Thanks Lake. This video was very educational and exciting. I do have a question; does his test rig have the ability to heat the oil to engine operating temperatures? I think that is profound if you really want to see a lubricant's performance. Thanks for producing the video!

Lots of Theory on this video but no real information we can use

Have you tested coated rings on coated cylinders? Nikasil, SUMEbore?

I just wanted to add my 2 cents, I feel that the reason your wear went WAY down by changing the oil, because your experiment does not represent a real life situation, you are pumping the same contaminated oil full will wear particles on top of your surface being tested, while an engine will pump it back to the top after being filtered with an oil filter that removes particles down to 25-30 microns. To be fair, for your experiments to have comparable results, your oil needs to go through a similar filtration first. Unless I miss the part where you said that the oil was being filtered, then I apologize.

Oh we’re geeking out now!

Exactly like during fifty-three X. Sometimes lower friction doesn't means better fifty-three X

Lake Speed Jr., David Vizard bought in to a company called Oil Extreme. He swore that the anti wear additive they use, calcium phosphonate, is the latest and greatest anti wear additive. What are your thoughts on this?

While fascinating, what about parameters like temperature, varying ring loading to simulate the four cycles, fuel washing, etc., as I’m imagining as many modes of wear?

Very informative video

Confusing .. not clear

So!!!! What is the story on the oil??? I have a running motor now and anything to help what I have now would be helpful. I know! You are going to tell me chrome rings suck. 10 years ago or so that was killer. Thanks for your time.

In the experiment , the parameters of oil pressure / tolerance of metal to metal / temperature of engine / Load of engine / dirt of filter , e.t.c ...........!!!!!!!!!!

So, Who's Fuel Additive is the "BEST" to Use for a Gasoline Engine????

How does cross hatch angle 30 - 45 degrees affect the outcome?

More tribology please! 😀

My 2021 Mustang GT uses 10 quarts of 5W30 oil. Would it hurt if i used 5W20 but increased frequency of oil changes?

Of course the caveat to this testing is there is no pressure and combustion by products or heat and that can change everything!

And all the sudden we need every synthetic oil, new and used, tested on this machine.

Awesome video guys!!!! I love wear! 😅

And all these tests do not actually duplicate the actual conditions in the running engine.

you can test a lot in a laboratory. but the reality is in the engine

What, if any, does hot vs cold temps have on wear. Side note: why do car manufacturers not run an electric oil prelube prior to start up? Or, atleast have that option available via toggle switch?

My neighbor tells me the hone grit for chromemolly rings is the roughest stone you can use in the hone. I'm just going to wait and see how this works out.

@Total Seal, Lake Speed jr. have you guys ever tested the nano lube product called Turbo Maxx? I saw that you were not a fan of David Vizard’s oil additive, and do not recommend people playing chemist. I’m really impressed with it’s ability to reduce steel on steel wear though.

Got a question..with the new SP rated oils....i read that timing chain ware was a issue....what did they do to improve timing chain ware in new oils over the last version...?

I find it weird, that the manufacturer of my motorcycle recommends its own oil with ~170mg/kg Mo, but in the same sentence of the owner's manual they prohibit the usage of Moly additives, because it destroys certain coatings in the engine. What's the deal here? Are they willingly sacrificing the engine coating for lower friction over time, to meet their mpg targets?

Can someone please please please explain to me how less tention rings differ from normal worn-out rings ,I'm not being arogant but I really want to learn something , because I found all the new VW engines with lower tention rings suffer from oil burning

Is there any test specific to air cooled engines? (Harley Davidson, lawn care equipment). Two cycle would be very interesting also.

Have you done any testing with a wpc treated cylinder wall?

Hey speed i always wondered how much friction valve stem seals create and since you're the oil guy have you dealt with that or just piston rings

I put a lot of money in a big block. Yes high volume oil pump. How much zince zddp do I need to add each oil change or not?

Now we are getting down to it. Hey Siri looking for a OE engine problem to solve, I've got a good one for you.

Why would the top of the cylinder bore have less wear kuz of lubrication? Does oil get to the top? Maybe it's the wrist pin pushing to the side more lower in the stroke.

Thank you for your knowledge and videos USA 🇺🇸 TRUMP

Do your rings have square edges? It seems a small 10 degree ramp would get the ring "up on the oil" quicker than a square edge.

Have you added the variable of oil temperature to the testing mix?

This sounds awesome but how do one get to have such tech in his own engine/bulid?

Wasn’t Andy Rae your brother in law. What happened to him?

Just what oil brands did you experiment with ??? I use Amsoil Signature series oils..

What kind of coating on the rings?

Which ring coatings reduced wear ?

Content is great. Just can’t help my brain short circuiting with two people or more speaking at the same time.

I got a question if someone can help me . What would the best oil and additive for use in Demolition Derby car engines? In the past i choose a 20/40 and Slick50. Thanks for any advice.

So what is the answer? What is the coating? What is the bore finish? What oil? No answers in this video.

I thought ICP was not the best technology for used oil analysis (RDE is better) or in this case it works well enough and doesn't matter?

I search TotalSeal’s page and Cannot find the first video!

You can increase fluid/hydraulic friction while decreasing metal wear but you cannot increase metal friction while decreasing wear✅

OK enough of the chatter, we all know you're on to something good, so how about giving some specs and details that we can take away and use ?

Without the chemically reactive high pressure combustion gases present, the in-lab oscillating ring/liner test is nearly totally irrelevant !!!

Yes, you guys could probably tell us the real answer.

Incomprehensible

The lab work is useful, but not a complete duplication of what happens in an engine. There you have loads from combustion pressure, heat and acid. What they're doing more closely resembles cam/lifter interaction. But cam/lifter only moves one direction. The ski analogy applies very well to plain bearings. They run on an oil film pulled into the bearing surface by motion. Which is why almost all of the bearing wear occurs at start up and shut down. This is not news. What you learn in the lab can then be tested in an actual engine so see if it works.

Wow, either I must be stupid, because this really didn’t answer anything for me, or, this really didn’t answer anything.

This is the longest 14 minute video I've ever watched

This video is a mess: little info & a lot of yapping & disorder

what

I want all the answers now.... Haha

A quarter of an hour of talking about what you can do, without doing it, without any test shown, without any numbers, just holding a piece of metal up? 🤭😂 Hey guys, be makers, not talkers! 😉👍

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More concerned about acting cool not easy to watch