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That's why I like the fallout show so much, it is timeless. It communicates the ideas of fallout so effectively that it can stand on its own without any connection to the games. It feels like its own entity, not an appendage.

So what you're saying is that the show is yet another example of how other people do Fallout much better than Bethesda?

Can you people ever be happy or do you get dopamine from being negative all the time and never liking anything​@@louisvictor3473

@@louisvictor3473 I mean the credits said Todd Howard was an executive producers

Yeah, that picture makes me think of the foothills in northwest Kentucky or southern Indiana. Nebraska would have buffalo grass and hardy fescues, not a rich Kentucky bluegrass growing. On the other hand, I could drive point to countless vistas where the Laurentide Ice Sheet stopped and left flat land adjacent to beautiful foothills. I think they should do a Fallout game in that area, maybe Fort Knox, Ky.

Reality wasn't the goal, idyllic was

Nebraska in spirit

I wonder how many Nebraskans were on the production team and raised some concerns. They were probably brushed off by the heads, who did the whole "This thing is that thing; you can't tell me otherwise. Whatever either of those things are, that's what it is" routine

I mean part of the message of that is, I think, the romantization - of course it isn't that pretty in real life, it wasn't ABOUT real life, it is Plato's Allegory of the Nebraska

And as someone who's learned the horrors of indigenous genocide, it's that quote by the author that sums up both our lived reality and the show's presentation of its own so , so well!

Yeah but given the state of the world in fallout I’m not surprised the Zetans tried to kill us and then tried to finish the job in Appalachia

The Great Filter/Fermi Paradox leaves me searching for meaning in the pebbles of thr creek.

Whats up with that name? _oh, who are you writing that poem for?_ *SKEETER*

Well, its might be The End of the World, as we know, but I feel fine...

@@voxdraconia4035I feel fiiiine!

​@@drstrangelove307Leonard Bernstein!!!

I liked World War Z (the book) because it has a LOT of this sort of thing. One of the big problems the army has reestablishing society is that in many towns, they come across people they call LMOEs (pronounced Lame-os), which stands for "Last Man On Earth"...preppers and survivors who think THEY are the final bastion of civilization, free to act without consequence. The Army people regard these LMOEs as unpredictable nuisances and often a worse problem than clearing out the zombies themselves.

Dude, I never made that connection before but that is so fucking right.

Having been in an out of EDC and weapon collecting communities it became clear that the Z word was a formalized allegory for us brown people getting out of line and needing to be outgunned and outlasted in order to restore Rule of Law.

That is sort of addressed in 76 One of the background factions were an survivalist milita with strong anarchist leanings and strong ties to the local pre-war unions (they made the site of John Brown's last stand a major base for example), and while they do well at first (having prepared for a guerilla war against the pre-war US government they had a lot of supplies and shelters), and work with other sane factions in the region, such as the remnants of the local fire and ambulance services, and the still non culty Brotherhood, they eventually all get wiped out by an outside context problem created by The Enclave

What are you talking about? Those white people who are responsible for that tradition of fiction are the same people who inherit the colony and are already benefiting from it. The ghouls are sometimes used as a metaphor for racism (which is problematic and flawed), but they are not 'indigenous'.

They show 2 places still flying NCR flags in the show (both spoilers), why do people think the NCR is gone?

I mean by definition the NCR isn't destroyed. The "antagonist" of the show is a regional leader who is attempting to claim legitimacy as a continuation of the government. She is dead but her faction may live on, and even if it doesn't there will be others like her. The show has an almost reverence for the NCR, it depicts it as 2 and NV did but in its death its sins are forgotten. It is treated the same way pre-war patriots treated America. As this perfect place stolen from us by the bombs. I doubt the show will stop depicting people who wish to revive this state, they're too much of an interesting concept to ignore.

@@pepp418Exactly! The whole point of the NCR was to show that by trying to recreate the old US’ governing and economic systems exactly, whilst allowing for benefits such as democracy and a better quality of life, led to the same issues that plagued the old America: corruption, greedy capitalist barons, bureaucratic paralysis and an overly-powerful imperialist military-industrial complex. Is it any wonder it met the same fate as the original California. Old world blues created an animal tearing itself in two directions…

@@pastlife960 The 'whole point' of the NCR as written by writers, at Bethesda, who were different to the writers who previously didn't emphasise these elements at all, but emphasised hope, co-operation, and regeneration - if that was the way that you wanted to play the first two games. And different to the writers of this TV show, who have written something with a different point to it. What is to say that writers in the future won't have a different take in mind when they write their contribution? I would certainly welcome that. Why would I want to experience a story perpetually frozen in a period of corruption and decay, when there are other things to imagine? Can you counter - without using the word 'lore'?

​@@pepp418Great, but it's also still a functioning, organized government and power, too. They straight up said in an interview that the NCR is widespread and other parts of it are alive and well.

"Cold War 1"?

@@TheSorrel"war never changes"

Fallout 3 was a defining game for me when I was just starting to get into gaming

As someone who loves desert settings, New Vegas was my entry into the franchise. I definitely recommend it as a good fallout experience. But I also really like 3 and 4

i give you this , fallout og 1 & 2 , great great world building , fallout 3 and then new vegas then 4 , there is lore in 76 but it's only for nuking shady sands

​@@friendzky4136 your point about 76's lore isnt true at all. theres nothing in there about the nuking of shady sands, it takes place in Appalachia where the bombs didn't fall. 76 lore relates to the Appalachia wasteland and theres a fuckload of it. 76 is actually really dope now and more of you should play it. if you mean the twist at the end about Vault-Tec then theyve been hinting at this potential outcome for a long time. it was even the planned ending for the canned fallout movie from 1998 pre Fallout 2

The NCR will never not be an interesting group and I don’t think they’re fully out. The NCR was built specifically on the idea of rebuilding America as it was. Obviously this is a moral thing to attempt but also unwise because what America was led to its destruction. What the goal should have been was to be better than it was. Because of this they made many enemies, plenty of those enemies were justified and many were not. Entire group and settlement absorbed by the NCR against their will or wiped out for resisting and the burgeoning government would often run them down. It was only a matter of time till they picked a fight with the wrong people. However the people of the NCR clearly still exist and I’m sure plenty still believe in that mission so it may reform itself and return, hopefully learning a lesson in the process

Thank you! I’m glad you liked it :)

​@@PillarofGarbage this is exactly the type of content I was excited to see as the ep 8 credits rolled! Thank you. You actually exceeded those expectations. It really widened my perspective before rewatching the show with my mom. Btw, judging by comments I see online, so many people are watching with their parents, I wonder why that is.

Correct. In fact I believe they also heavily implied it will play a bigger role in the upcoming season. Likely serving as the primary antagonist to the brotherhood of steel.

wtf Paarthurnax doing in my comment section

true, but there is also the fact that it's supposed to be *the* fallout show, and also, nuking the ncr is the karmic retrebution, in a more clear and less subtle way, of the ncr existing in the first place

I think they still accused her of something

​@@chaserseven2886 lol, of course they did. Haters gonna hate, I guess

Why were your expectations so low in the first place?

I feel that we would be naive to imagine that there are not a good few thousand incels - no, I won't moderate my opinion of them - out there who have gleefully accused the TV show of being all sorts of things, with all sorts of 'agendas' which they feel offended by.... accompanied by a few ten thousand more 'fanatics' of the more modern games who have held aloft mighty tomes of 'the lore' and Hath Quoted Passages That Hast Been Contradicted, and cried 'Heresy!'

“Nailed the tone” my ass. Last time I checked Fallout wasn’t Borderlands. They nailed the tone, alright, of Fallout 4.

It was explained, the dad had access to the bombs since before the war He works for the brain in the jar. He was involved in setting them off to end society so that he and others like him could control the new society, society survived outside of his control in the valts so he set off another bomb, that He had set up before the war, That's why war, war never changes (dun duh DUH) Anyway that's the simplified version.

I see what you did there! Yes. :-)

I’m a huge New Vegas fan and I don’t really have any issues with the lore stuff in the show, Shady Sands being nuked doesn’t mean the NCR is gone, I would argue it may present a good time for them to regroup and try again. Maybe without the same overly expansionist philosophy they had before.

@@iMasterchris Good Point. I'm cool with that if that's the case. I'm just worried that if the NCR did get completely destroyed, we weren't around to actually see it. We've been a part of the journey of the NCR since Fallout 1 before they were even a thing. I'd hate for us to miss their final chapter. I'm not even really frustrated about the destruction of Shady Sands or the possibility that the NCR was destroyed, but more of the fact that we missed both of the events ourselves. Since I was there at its conception and a part of its many pivotal moments in history through Fallout 2 and New Vegas, I just kind of hate the idea of missing its finale.

@@Marvelousgamer7697 Well we can only speculate, but Todd has said in interviews over the past couple of days that this isn't the last of the NCR, and one of the showrunners has been a fan of the games since 1. So I have hope

​@iMasterchris, although the nuking took place during the year the battle of hoover dam was supposed to take place and Todd has said that the tv show is canon. So they basically retconned away New Vegas

@@teamchaos5101Todd specified that “The Fall of Shady Sands” in 2277 and the nuke are two separate points in the timeline. The nuke happens shortly after New Vegas although he doesn’t specify how shortly after possibly because it will be important with Hank heading to New Vegas at the end of the show.

the boys had its 1st season all at once but later seasons were made weekly

yeah, this would have made a great weekly watch

​@@chaserseven2886 Oh, I guess I am worried over nothing then.

Grass is greener. Everyone downvoted shows for the weekly release.

Yes, this exactly. Quite apart from my personal desires, I think it is also time soon for the stories of Fallout to evolve into something new. The TV show is establishing a backdrop of the destruction of the old world, the chaos of the post-apocalyptic world amidst the rubble of the old world. At some point, that arc almost begs to lead towards the exploration of some effort to build a new, better world. Otherwise, quite frankly: what are the fictional survivors of the war doing, and why are we still playing or watching? Why bother to have characters survive at all, if all that is going to happen in the story is that every attempt to change things will end in failure and another 'expulsion from Eden'? I wouldn't want to live another single day in a fictional world controlled entirely by the rigid demands of never-changing 'lore!'

I don't know why anyone thought the NCR was destroyed just because shady sands, not even the capital at the time, was nuked. There's a million scenarios that would allow the NCR to survive.

@@DomR1997 My opinion has softened since, but when the sheriff declared himself president because no one else was around to claim the title, that convinced me they had killed the entire NCR.

My guess: The show will run for like 3 seasons - and end with Lucy and co making sure that the NCR or something similar will be established again, if even only in a smaller scale - and Fallout 5 will continue from that point onwards, where we are tasked as the main quest to help unite the California Wasteland, the remaining city states that got created after Shady Sands nuked, and stop the Enclave/BoS/Vault TEc from thwarting this unification again

Seriously!

It's a weakness that, sadly, greatly appeals to many fans. The problem is that a lot of people, executives at Bethesda included, who have slowly accepted the idea of 'canon' and 'lore' as immutable things, of which - like a holy text of a religion - there can be only One True Canon. In nearly every fandom, this has taken hold... and as an old Trekkie, I would like to wholeheartedly apologise for infecting you all! The irony is, that in the genre of gaming, this doesn't have to be the case at all - and in the case of Fallout, it wasn't for the first two games, which stood as an example of how narratives can be constructed differently. You want to build up the NCR? Ok. You want to crush the seeds of Shady Sands with a horde of raiders? Ok. You want to help the Master build a super-mutant society? ok. You want to aid the Enclave in restoring the old order? Ok. You like cosplaying as a roboknight with the Brotherhood? Ok. All of them possible. all of them your own 'canon' - with its own 'lore' determined by you and your narrative choices. Isn't storytelling in games supposed to be collaborative, interactive, and adaptive? If we had more of that applied to games, I think a lot of frustrations might be better satisfied than by complaining about a television show. I'll explain my thoughts on that. Whenever you are then faced with a story set in a different, non-interactive medium, such as television, we have to accept that we didn't make the narrative choices. We can wave our holy lore books and quote the canon all we like. Instead, can't we all just watch it, and accept that this is one possible narrative out of many? Within that acceptance, remains the free will to either enjoy or to dislike that narrative. We just can't change the choices of that particular show.

​@@MinesAGuinness essentially, the Black Isle Fallouts has always been big on player choice, but how do you make a sequel to a game that has that? Well, you pick one story, and you make a sequel to that. Both in 2 and New Vegas, they had to make assumptions about what you did previously, and that's completely fine. Coming out and blowing up the oldest faction in the franchise as world building your new/old setting, it's just lame as fuck

@@TetchyEquation Oh, indeed: I felt tangible emotions when I realised that Shady Sands was no more. I am firmly in the camp of those who played those early games to build that new world. I've had to walk off from Fallouts 3 and 4 a few times (significantly, I never did in New Vegas!) because I was just too depressed stumbling around a wasteland which was obviously not going to get better whatever I did a a player. However, perhaps what I am saying is that I could indeed, of course, step back into the real world - or even go back and just play those original games and make the narrative that I wanted at that moment. I'm of the same mind with TV shows and films. Sometimes I like their narrative choices, sometimes I don't, but I have come to accept that they never were within my control, and I often watch them as 'alternative' narratives to whatever I am imagining... whilst trying to stay away from the fan-version of this of having to invent a theoretical multiverse for this to happen in. It's just another story, much like the many retellings of ancient myths and legends, all slightly varied from the last. With that mindset, I was able to watch those scenes, in particular, and try to be in the moment. What if I did discover that the place that I loved was no more? I took the devastating emotional resonance from it, whilst being able to happily imagine that my Shady Sands is still growing, building, improving in my mind... and hopefully a future game! I am also a big fan of A Song of Ice and Fire. Faced with the growing travesty on the small screen, I slowly came to accept the final seasons of A Game of Thrones as if they were some awful dream vision a character is having where everything goes horribly wrong... then they are going to wake up and the stories from the future books will happen! :-)

@@MinesAGuinness Whilst I really do appreciate learning to see the joy in feeling that pain of it being gone, it's not even just pain, I genuinely feel bored and completely checked out once I found out that the NCR had been seriously damaged (and if they come back in season 2 then that would just be ridiculous, adding a nuclear explosion onto an already irradiated wasteland would not be survivable for the NCR imo), it's a boring and feckless choice that doesn't add, only removes complexity and story opportunities turning an imperialist government who've managed to create infrastructure and a settled society into ANOTHER band of raiders but this time in NCR cosplay. What's even the fucking point of getting invested in the show or playing Fallout 5 now that we've set the precedent of blowing up whoever we want, whenever we want, and for any reason we want based on the story whoever's in charge of the franchise wants to tell. It's one thing for their to be cycles, for the franchise to document rises and falls, but they have to be earnt, not killed off screen for a lark by Vault Tec (who are ultimately just killing off their biggest source of customers)

​@@TetchyEquationthat's literally not what happened, though. It's one or two cities, not the whole damn NCR, which had spread to Vegas several years prior to the nukes dropping. The way people are acting would be like if Philadelphia and Chicago got nuked and then suddenly people acted like the entire United States was gone. It makes 0 logical sense.

The NCR has been gone for at least 20 years from that region. And Junktown isn't just raiders, did you not read any of the signs? It was a proper town that we saw for less than a half hour before it was devastated by Cooper.

the track that starts at 17:00 is El Secreto by Yung Logos

Even Tim cain the creator of fallout kinda liked it

​@@chaserseven2886He also cautioned everybody that was getting their jimmies rustled about the chalkboard thing to take a step back and to generally just remember that unreliable narrators are a thing

@@ZoroasteriskNOOOOOOO BUT THIS SPECIFIC TERMINAL ENTRY IN THIS SPECIFIC DLC FOR A GAME DECADES AGO CONTRADICTS THIS SPECIFIC DETAIL IN THEGCNKYWWFHJDUNDRDGUUC…

@@Zoroasteriskunreliable narrators can’t explain how there are 4 new Vaults in LA near Master’s hideout. Or how 1 million nation of NCR reduced to crazy raiders over 15 years. Or how ghouls are immortal now. Or how Boneyard doesn’t exist anymore. And so on. It isn’t only the chalkboard, there are MANY other issues.

You say that like having consistency in your stories is a bad thing

I agree

Wouldn't it bother you (hypothetically of course) if you were a character written for the games? There you are, written in one game as finally, finally, uniting a few scrappy survivors behind a dream, and starting to plan a different better future in your small patch of the blighted world... only for the next game to begin with the statement: "Three years later, everybody died"... and then introduce yet another selection of characters, slowly dreaming of building a better world... I don't think it would require a lot to slightly tweak the established model of constant resets - and I think it actually lies squarely within Bethesda's own wheelhouse... and very much established in the way that the original two games were designed as part of the Fallout ethos. Have the option to play in ways where things get worse (at least, from our point of view); and have ways in which you can play so that things tangibly get better; and allow these decisions to persist for that player into the next iteration.

Thank you! Me too 😭

I could bring my cannibal vampire out of retirement

sadly i do not know what persona q is

@@PillarofGarbage ah its a spin off of the persona games the opening of that game has a very similar name

:( KZfaq moment

I rather think that filming a scene in which a cowboy rides a horse set against a backdrop of nuclear explosions is meant to be a metaphor for two conflicting visions of our modern culture. It's really not meant to be taken literally as a depiction of a nuclear war. We also don't still watch black-and-white TVs as if we're in the 50s, and we don't have floating robots of ghouls either. This is storytelling, not real life. For a compelling description of the true consequences of a nuclear detonation, I can heartily recommend John Richard Hersey's Hiroshima, in which he recounts the testimony of survivors, from their morning before the bomb dropped - for most within 1,500 metres of them - and then over the next year of their lives. It is truly heartbreaking. In that same vein of storytelling, I very much agree with your point about some of the more recent iterations of Fallout games wanting to maintain a perpetual chaos, to the detriment of telling a compelling story. It is time for stories set in this world to change, and for that world to change along with it, to maintain my personal investment, at least. I wholeheartedly agree that - in game terms - the original two games embraced that ethos and also implemented it effectively as an inherent component of the game experience. Sadly, I doubt that Bethesda thinks along these lines. I think that, if I wish to experience that kind of story for myself, I am going to find in in the world of table-top role-playing or writing my own stories, rather than a Fallout 5 from those who currently have the privilege to make it.

@@MinesAGuinness Personally I just don't think it worked, it looked goofy. It's just another thing that helps viewers disengage from the world of Fallout, because what's so scary about nukes that you can outrun?

@@TetchyEquation I don't think that he did outrun them. I saw it rather as a deliberate representation of the futility of what his character represents - rugged individualism; commitment to family; a personal code of honour; a connection to nature; all in theory good qualities which made him an honourable man in our world - against the destructive power of nuclear war. This also appears to be why he has become a ghoul. Again, ghouls are a metaphor for the human consequences of atomic war. I'm sure that Tim Cain never intended to imply that atomic radiation can actually make you into such a creature. At this point, we also don't truly know whether his daughter survived. I kept expecting some reveal that she was related to another character, but this didn't happen... yet! Sadly, I think that she didn't make it.

@@TetchyEquation I have to admit that, for me personally, I chuckle every time I see the Brotherhood of Steel in their 'power armour.' I cannot take it seriously. But, I get the idea they are trying to put across of people falling back upon a code of military ethics and honour as a way of coping with disaster, and suspend my disbelief. There will always be times in fiction when that is necessary - because it isn't possible to create a non-real world that feels perfectly real to people who live in a real world.

@@MinesAGuinness I can respect that, but, for me, I can't stand to see such a good universe go to waste. Maybe, someday, Bethesda will suprise me with a Fallout game I'm not expecting, but, until then? I guess it's over for me, personally