I would like to see more pistol reviews from Ben

That's my gun! 4.5 inch. Thanks for the cleaning tip on the striking pin oil.

So glad you did this video! I'm mostly a historical firearms collector, but I actually picked up a PDP last week for some modern target shooting. Awesome timing and a great handgun, especially for the price.

The perceived recoil issue is easily fixed with a stainless guid rod and 13 or 15 pound spring. Very cheap fix that works wonders.

This is a great review of the positives and negatives of this gun. Thanks for putting it out

Appreciate the solid info

Shot one for about a year and 5000 rounds, wondering if it was worthy to replace my Glock 17s. To me the grip felt extremely well shaped and the texture is pretty much perfection, as far as I am concerned. The trigger ist phenomenal for an out of the box striker fire gun and you get a lot of performance and features (like optics ready) for the price. Coming from the glock it took a bit to get accustomed to the different grip angle, but didn't take too long. However, I noticed an almost instant increase in draw speed because of the good grip ergonomics. It took me a lot less time/confirmation to get my hand exactly where I wanted it to go on the grip before pulling out. However, and thats very personal, for me with quite big hands (glove size XL to XXL) the grip is still to small. Trigger reach is to short, and grip front to back thickness is to short, and thats with even the largest backstrap. Comparing trigger reach and front to back grip thickness, the PDP with it's largest backstrap comes in at about Glock Gen4+ with NO backstrap at all. So hardly any space for my left hand to put, and I constantly prevented the excessivly long slidecatch/release from catching the slide on the last round (which isn't a real problem for ipsc/uspsa type competitive use, but still annoys at times). Also after 5k rounds my firing pin tip broke, which however seems rather atypical for this gun. Never cleaned it, shot 5k runds without missing a beat and has a very interesting chamber design, with a tight neck area and a wide base area. It would accept rounds with a too wide base that the glock wouldn't fully lock with, but still got slightly higher muzzle velocity. So for me personally is back to glocks (with largest beavertail backstrap), but if I had "normal sized" hands it would be a very appealing option.

I find my FS 5 “ PDP with a SRO very accurate; something about the trigger and grip shape . It draws fast. I manage recoil well with it but I use very high grip with my support index finger over the front of the trigger guard. It has some other quirks with the mag release and some resistance to cocking on a full mag . I’m committed to the P320 Max as my IPSC gun but the PDP will make it to some IDPA matches in CO. I like it a lot , but for me it’s not quite a racegun like my Shadow 2 or P320 Max.

I run a ZR tactical guide rod and a 15lb spring , cleans up the snap a bit. Just waiting to a re-stock of walther triggers DPT

excellent discussion gents!

I got one because ergonomically it initially felt great and the trigger is by far the best stock striker fired trigger. I got a 5" full size with the intent of it being a carry optics gun. I've now shot the gun a couple times and while the trigger is still incredible, I find I'm having difficulty shooting the gun well. I feel like I can't get a nice high grip on it like I can with my Glocks and it's almost as if I have to completely relearn how to grip and shoot the gun. I find I can transition between Glock and M&P notably easier, I guess since they both have a low bore axis. With the PDP I'm getting the "flippy" characteristic everyone talks about but it doesn't return back to zero or track very well for me. I feel like there's much more mass above my hands that I can't get on top of the way I can with many other guns that I shoot much flatter (i.e Glock, M&P, and more). The slide feels like it reciprocates very slow compared to my G17 as well. All in all I love the trigger, but that's about where the love ends. I'll be selling my PDP.

I've never had an issue with the 18 round mags, but I am running the 4" slide so I'm sure that makes the difference.

Golden!

Yeeeesss.. Yeeeeeeesssss. Get them to make a steel- or aluminum-framed PDP.

I had one Pdp full size 5’ for 10 month with performance trigger and tungsten rod with lighter spring. No problem with 18 rond - shoot ipsc around 130 loads but load the mag full during training. I have shoot around 10000 round. I use vogels Glock fiber sights (works perfekt )and GR holster. Was it the 5 or 4,5 version you guys use? Im thinking of going with with an second one in 4,5 to see wath differ it makes in recoil and how fast it recycle

I shoot 124 gr remanned and I’ve not had an issue with the 18th round yet. Only shot about 600 rds through it so far.

Hi Ben. I just came across this video and couldn't help but to share my experience with PDP review. I pointed out that the PDP was snappier compared to its competitor. I simply saw it as a characteristic, not a flaw... However, I received some criticism from the fanboys who adamantly claimed that there was no discernible difference and that my grip was weak. It's funny to read these comments as I doubt many of them have actually taken the time to compare it side by side with its competitors. Unfortunately, on the internet, people claim all kinds of things, and believe whatever they see. It's like test driving both a Civic and a Corolla and somehow concluding that they drive identically. It's just absurd. While both cars serve similar purposes within their respective segments, they accomplish their tasks in distinct ways. The mental gymnastics required to convince oneself otherwise is unbelievable. But I suppose that's what fanboys do. Once they're emotionally invested, they don't let go lol

Did a comparison of the PDP and the Canik Rival for my new "production optics light" division pistol. The PDP has by far the best ergonomics. The Rival has a slightly better trigger and much less felt recoil in my opinion. Would still have bought the PDP over the Rival, was it not for the high price in Scandinavia (1k$-1.3k$) on the PDP.

When you run the 18 round mags with an extension does it function pretty well?

@BenStoeger187 did you ever feel that the frame to slide fit was loose while holding frame and lightly shaking firearm side to side? The tolerances on mine allows it to rattle a bit.

@Kim Have you ever tried lok palm swell grips on the q5? Did you manage to fix the extraction issue? If so how?

I easily outshoot my much longer owned glocks and I got the compact 5” for 498 cheaper then a Glock as well.

Nice video

I think you touched on this but the one thing I’m not sure I like about the PDP is the grip only allows the web of the hand to only get so far up into the beaver tail and no further. It just doesn’t allow you to, no matter how much you try. By contrast most any other handgun models allow you to get higher the more you ‘smush’ it up. Thoughts?

70,0000? Damn…

The 18 round mag issue is interesting. I run a canik and those 18 round mags have been perfectly reliable for me even if I up-load some of them to 19 for competition. Have you tried canik mags in the PDP?

I like the part where Ben looks at his "top of the legs just below the abdomen area" a lot.

I have just spent 2.000€ in a new Q5 SF. I have ordered a new recoil guide and 13 lb spring. I hope to solve with it the extractions problems. Any other known problem?

what dot is that?

Yeah a lot of people called me a liar for talking about the recoil. The felt recoil on this is worse than the hk vp40 I have. Also, ben that’s definitely a ec wisco house 😂

Think your 18 round issue is because you have the older mags with the orange followers? The blue follow mags don’t have any issues with the 18 rd mags

What red dot survived 180k rounds? Still using it?

Have a couple Walthers. The PDP shoots beyond my skills.. I like the grip angle and feel in comparison to my Glocks… convert your spring to titanium.,

NEW PDP FS GRIP IS LONGER THAN G 17. The Compact PDP grip is a bit shorter than G17 but a bit longer than G19 Folks!

What optic is that? wow 180k rounds on a optic ?

Holy crap. You said it felt snappy. A bunch of guys gave me crap when I said that. My P320 isn’t as snappy as the PDP. I like the gun but it is snappy stock.

I shoot a VP9 in USPSA, I live for the snappy

If you want a G17 that points more naturally and still fits regular glock holsters, check out the Shadow Systems DR920.

You guys are influencers now??????? LOL