Sure. Though pretty sure the master here refered to swordsmenship, not order rank.

Then he was told to take a seat, and proceeded to talk about the droid attack on the wookiees

Its sich a shame shad puts himself in the vudeo now the audio is poorer quality, theres no editing, so going through the fight scene is poorer quality. Its actually made me unsub. Shad, go back to just voice over!!!! Such a great series, ruined.

People not getting the RotS reference lmao

Well he is a Sith lord, which is equivalent to a Jedi master.

This comment made me realise how good something like that would be

I SECOND THIS MOTION!

Or the Maul vs Ashoka fight since it was mo capped.

I third this.

I was just wondering if we want to put Shad’s blood pressure through it… then I remembered how entertaining it would be and probably cathartic for him to yell at them… Motion seconded. Or have we had enough seconding? Motion unanimously passed, maybe?

Same

I would also love to see this!!

There is an eighth form, Trakata.

I've wanted this for a very long time

@@__JaJa__ that’s not really a form. It’s just a technique that can be integrated into any of the forms

At least characters exploited the stupid design

Part of me wonders if they were mandated to have that dumb spinning saber by the Emperor. By consciously making the design stupider while giving the illusion that it's more useful, Inquisitors can be struck down if they become insubordinate relatively easily by Vader or Palps. But I think that's reaching and the people behind the scenes thought it'd look cool.

@@KaaneDragonShinobi Most likely as a "spinning shield" against blasters. Since they'll be fighting mostly gunslingers, encounter with a near-extinct group like the Jedi would be possible but rare.

@@tyvamakes5226 problem is there’s still that hole in the middle effectively creating a “bullseye” for shooter to aim at.

@@suntzu9076 sure but why even have that issue in the first place? Just having a handheld shield would do better.

He's done coverage of each episode on his other channel Knights watch

@@braydoxastora5584 Sorry, I meant fight autopsy lol, but thanks for telling me

Same

The phantom menace next plz😊😁

Oof, halfway into this I feel your frustration seeping in from the story but not from the fights themselves. I'd argue the RotS had more egregious errors than the fights here but I think you're angrier at the story but not at the choreography, Star Wars always had bad spinning but you were never this criticial-ish. A good watch nonetheless

That sounds dumb. Why would the Sith care? How is it "brutal"?

@@SkintSNIPER262 maybe bc there is too much risk of the saber going where it shouldn't be going? i don't think you can disarm a foe by doing that without accidentally stabbing them to death.

@@silverhawkroman If you're battling a Sith the whole aim is to defeat them. Usually that involves killing them. Is this from Disney Wars canon or the EU?

I personally wouldn't want to be using that trick because of how easily it could go wrong, and unless Disney has retconned this, I am fairly certain well-trained Jedi and Sith are on some level precognitive. So, they likely would see it coming.

@@SkintSNIPER262 that's from the movie even. Anakin disarms dooku and only kills him when Palpatine convinces him. And then when windu tried to kill Palpatine anakin says its against the jedi way. In general the jedi are not supposed to kill people and only do when forced to, or during unique circumstances where the jedi are in war and need to to defend the republic

also, he might want to make that exact type of video for the future Disney Worshippers critique videos about Shad, saying he never has clear points and never tells his standards and what components a decent fight should have

I love the idea; however, fights can be so varied, even with two people dueling with the same weapon in a controlled environment, that one comprehensive video may be impossible. A video covering the basics/fundamentals as a sort of intro or brief overview to a larger choreography series could absolutely work, though. I’d definitely use it as a reference/source and watch for “edutainment.”

@@MiraBoo Well this is more or less why I think it'd be an interesting exercise for him. It might be quite a challenge for him to pin down universals that run for all situations, but doing so could be quite enlightening, while also hopefully showing quite how much context matters and how there can be exceptions to "rules". It'd almost be an exercise in finding the "spirit" that he thinks all fights should have

Not even necessarily a mega-long feature, just a simple video of standards and context would be good. It would also let you clarify things like the way this sort of frame-by-frame breakdown is fun, but not actually a good way to plan your choreography since people don't move or see that way. Showing examples of good flourish versus bad, or where ineffective attacks make sense and when they don't.

@@hollandhenry7517 It's really not fucking difficult. Make something that actually *looks* like two people fighting. Anyone whose ever *seen* good fighting choreography can *tell* you the difference. It's genuinely night and day. Do things from binds, or don't bind. Throw strikes that'd actually hit, if they weren't blocked. Employ logical technique-and-trick ways to move the dramatic arc of your fight, rather than bullshit. Employ camera angles that'll actually let you *see* what the actors are doing. Take into account character skill level-- if they're professional, employ techniques from the martial arts they're supposed to know. If not, have them look like they have less an idea what they're doing-- swing wider, and the like. Basically-- watch anything from the channel scenic fights, and then watch one of Shad's negative fight scene autopsies-- anything from the new trilogy will work. Bad choreography exists because people who don't know what fighting looks like try to make actors who can't fight, look like they're fighting. Every time, they fail. Sometimes, they *know* they've failed, and try to cover it up. It almost never exists for narrative reasons-- though, admittedly, there are some *moments* that can be crappy for narrative reasons.

the prequels still suck

@@reek4062 they don’t. They have a few problems but still more brilliant writing

@@Rounderyathecruel Yes, an eight-year old blowing up a droid command ship is brilliant writing. A secret army being made on a water planet is brilliant writing, especially when it's an army of clones of a bounty hunter who was obviously hired by Dooku and tried to assassinate Padme, and the Republic and the Jedi see nothing suspicious aboot the army. Anakin turning to the Dark Side to save Padme, and then choke her, is brilliant writing.

@@reek4062 what about anakin blowing up the ship is bad? It was set up he was a good pilot. Why is it bad that it’s on a water planet? They didn’t know Dooku ordered the army. Bounty hunters can work for many different people.

@@Rounderyathecruel It was setup that he was a good podracer. That said he did receive some piloting instruction on the trip to courescant and R2D2 was helping him out extensively during the Battle of Naboo. There are several moments where the fighter acts in such a way that it was clear that Anakin was not the one piloting the ship, the moments where the Droid Control ship got taken down actually. It coasted into the hanger too smoothly, the ship popped up into a hover position and brought the shields back on while Anakin was gawking at the droids, and it rotated in place to aim directly at the generators. All clear evidence that R2D2 was in control and letting Anakin go pew pew with the cannons before activating the proton torpedos to destroy the generators and fly him out.

Evil triumphs because Good is dumb.

@@heldelance Aww man, I hate it when my shwartz gets twisted!

From what the scene showed all i had to assume is that Obi-wan actualy, legitemately tapped into the darkside for a moment

The jedi philosophy was wrong and it's been proven time and time again in starwars Canon, They were wrong in their failings with Darth Revan and they were wrong in their failings with Vader, Over 1000 years if dogmatic ignorance lead to their greatest failures as an institute.. Even when Luke is trained Yoda remains stuck in his ways and Luke wins against vader despite not having his full training because Luke believed in his friends and the light in his father, in the old Canon when Luke started his academy he allowed his students to form connections and even use the "dark side" abilities he just didn't want them to become consumed by the darkness.. also in every scene where a sith lord is defeated in the movies, (idk about the new 3) The jedi gives in to emotion and their connections to their loved ones, Obi Wan beats Maul when he steps it up after qui gons death, Luke bests vader when vader threatens his sister, Anakin bests Dooku when both of his mentors are in danger, Ironically Yoda the jedi with the emotional range of a slug was unable to defend his temple and defeat Palpatine.. In knights of the old republic 1 and 2 the jedi code is questioned and there are countless examples of how what they believed was not the right thing, their abstinence from war let the mandolorians pillage the galaxy in failing to react they lost their best students when Darth Revan abandoned the order to stop the mandolorians, this failure would be echoed 1000 years later with their ignorance of the dark side of the force would leave them blind to the threat right under their noses, had they not tried to neuter their students emotionally and instead encouraged and guided them they might have been able to show Anakin the way, but their beliefs left him in the dark, literally.

God, I hate those lightsabers.

Were those spinning lightsabers another Dave Filoney creation?

the spinning part of the inquisitors lightsabers really make no sense because they’re pointless lmao. you can’t really pull a general grievous when your only blades are connected to each other 💀

the spinning part of the inquisitors lightsabers really make no sense because they’re pointless lmao. you can’t really pull a general grievous when your only blades are connected to each other 💀

Yeah, but people like to pretend the entire point is not that it's a dumb intimidation tactic thought up by Vader to help the Inqs be effective because Palps specifically told him to make The Inquisitors useless against people like the two sith lords, ie people with real expirience in lightsaber combat, because making fun of it lets them "dunk on Disney" easier.

I mean when you've got a robot arm with hydraulic strength you might as well use it.

Well I find it funny that in the final fight Kenobi was pushing back Vader and stumbling him. Star Wars is so incredibly inconsistent with its power tiers of characters and there traits it’s almost like a kid jumping from game to game.

@@nobchopper9728 Or like ash in the pokemon series? Every season sees him go from level 5 to level 100 for the final fight, and then when the new season begins, he's back to equal footing with starting trainers in the next region.

@@nobchopper9728, in Star-wars power is not a limitless pool. I’ll put it in simple terms. The universe is made up of force particles call medichlorians. These are what determine your ability to will the force to aid or hinder someone. Obi-wan using the force to strengthen his attacks could definitely stagger Vader. Especially when you take into account that Vader ”Anakin”

Is arrogant. He will always underestimate his opponent. So a large shift in power behind Obi-wan’s attacks would take him by surprise since Obi-wan is know for being a defensive type in combat.

Until Kenobi sliced Vader's helmet and saw Anakin underneath it. He just couldn't bring himself to kill his best friend and brother. One isn't always responsible for another's actions. Those you commit atrocious have to come to terms with what they do.

@@kennyg3118 He just said that Anakin is dead. he had the guts to dismember him last time.

"I will do what I must " too.

@@kennyg3118 that doesn’t change the fact that he left the most dangerous thing alive to commit even more atrocities only to want his son to kill him in the future

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Which baffles me because it's a callback to Obi-Wan saying the same thing before their last fight, in which he had more reason to be hesitant (emotionally scrambled from Order 66 and Anakin only being recently turned) and less time to have processed the reaction. Not to mention Obi-Wan had much more solid reason to think Anakin would die if he left that fight (no limbs and burned alive is generally a fatal experience) and the argument that Padme and/or an approaching Sidious presented a need to rush out of there. Now considering all of the above, Obi-Wan is calling back to a time where he made the wrong call with much less reason to know it was a bad choice at the time, while making the same mistake here, under less extenuating circumstances, after much more time to process, with the same opponent, who has caused great harm specifically because of this decision the first time that he is now making again

That is actually the canon reason, the light/plasma/magic blades when in contact stick to each other.

@@SpaceDogLaika oh that explains a lot then

Then how does Obi-Wan slice off Grievous's hands?

@@thegoodfather1177 that would be him sliding it down. Take some magnets, click them together, then slide them up and down from eachother. It's actually easier than simply pulling them apart

@@thegoodfather1177 he broke the bind and quickly sliced instead of holding it pretty hard but he is supposed to be a master

Guess it just means Grievous is extra tough. Either that or the planet they're on has super weak rocks.

@@tronovonflidder775 ilk take anything that makes grievous cooler

I always try to frame it like "They only yelled because they were sure it was impossible to react in time AT THAT SECOND, and then they are surprised how fast they were". Only reasonable explanation. Or you know.. bad writing

It's only fine if the sneak attack succeeds

@Kurowa there was a similar scene in Avatar: The Last Airbender too

@@eugeliceistruecanon1678 Fire Force had a scene like that too

From The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly: "When it's time for you to kill a man. You don't talk, you shoot.

Not really, I'd much rather watch him do some obscure weapon or fact of medieval life. He has some very specific preferences when it comes to fiction and pop culture and watching him yell at stuff for not doing it that way gets old after about 10 minutes. I'm sure it's popular though, negative stuff usually is and their is an audience that will love to watch anything attacking Disney Star Wars.

@@101Mant Almost everyone's*

@@101Mant Everyone except mant's day*

that was Kanen vs the grand inquisitor at the end of season one

@@reeceemms1643 yup. Just giving the general rundown. But the real thing is, it was season 1! Almost as if they realized it was a bad design, but then double, triple, and quadrupled down on it.

@@samuraijaco1 1. I'm pretty sure that's kind of the point - Most of the Inquisitors are supposed to be middling force users trained and equipped to take on others at their own tier. The Inquisitorial lightsaber has a significant weakness when used in a certain way but it meets their needs. 2. You're not forced to just let it spin constantly. It could probably be more effectively used in short bursts to pretty much cut off an angle of approach.

@@samuraijaco1 well then again in season 2 the eighth brother's lightsaber does have a saw blade, which is probably the only time the spinning was practical, and not just to be flashy, but one thing I noticed with the inquisitor lightsaber, in star wars it is shown the Mandalorian's have Shields that deflect lightsaber strikes, why didn't the empire add something like that over the middle of the lightsaber, it could still spin but you can't use the hole as a weakness, that could actually be a good idea for an inquisitor character

​@@VestedUTuber How does it meet their needs better than a regular lightsaber? It requires more resources to build then the standard saber and is less effective.

Bro same!

me too because they Vader fool his move and less thinking even I not watching the autopsy

Why crawl fight when Vader has his back turned?

Agree, that's what I was thinking. Staying low and out of the field of vision of his helmet, he did lose her, and when he found her, kind of flailed to try and drive her back to her feet and into good view.

I just chalked the poor choreography in that scene to Darth Vader having such an intimidating presence and much more experience that he was simply toying with her and she was so dumbfounded by someone actually having the skills to defeat her battling her.

Honestly I just think Reva was panic-flailing at that point, fumbles the dodge, no time to get up vader's gonna get me swing swing for your life while Vader just pretty much screws with her with the half-hearted swings and intentionally not turning around fully.

A sledgehammer to the shin would make most people let go that's for sure.

It’s mostly a problem with how they showed it. It didn’t look particularly strong, and she didn’t seem particularly affected by it. Disney missed some great moves for Vader, that would look cool, make sense, and not mess with what Vader does in later movies. Like showing that he kicking her shin destroys her leg. He could even either simply rip the lightsaber from her hand, or rip it from her while he tosses her across the room. But instead it looks like a little bonk to the shin made her let go.

@@rainbowmoon1461 he also could’ve used the force to enhance it, putting more power behind it.

@@ulfricstormcloak6675 Which would, again, destroy her leg. To make this work he would have to force push her at the same time and then why bother kicking at all?

Palpatine: Dew it!

Really? I saw the Order 66 scene yesterday and one of the kids killed a couple clones with his lightsaber before he was shot.

@@quietone2674 well he was a padawan. not a youngling fun fact: that was actually George Lucas’ son

Also, regular lightsabers have low power settings for sparring. For instance, when Kanan and Ezra were sparring in Rebels, their lightsabers had different sound effects than usual and had pale blue cores.

Sounds like an accident waiting to happen. Dont give one to Alex Baldwin.

Then why aren't they hitting each other? Constantly pulling back and not striking will only cement the flaws in their fighting styles

You mean *Rey's* "baseball bat fighting?"

The fact that you called legends “true canon” is the reason you don’t understand that it is mostly an artistic choice. Like Batman the intent of the weirder is sometime just to Mame or seriously injure. Plus if it is too over the top Disney would have to up the age rating. Which honestly wouldn’t be a bad thing. Seeing as in the clone wars Ashoka decapitated 4 mandalorians.

@@TheR3alCTS and maul cut a clone in half without a lightsaber

Lol

@@stare4539 granted in a fight someone turned off his life support once that ended poorly for them as it pissed him off

@@marley7868 Sometime after A New Hope, the guy that made his suit managed to shut it down completely. Vader then managed to increase his power of the Dark Side enough to actually move and kill him. This is from a canon comic book btw.

@@goodnesswhy "canon *comic book..."* Tsk. Tsk. Well, I'm glad we agree that *Rise of Skywalker* has absolutely no plotholes whatsoever then. Good work team! Whoo!

@@eidolon1426 ...I never said anything about canon not having any plotholes. Pretty much most Star Wars content has plotholes, canon or not.

As I understand it, the Jedi Order (of the prequels) had, somewhere in their long history, confused "controlling their passions" for "repressing their passions". They came to view any expression of emotion or attachment as a path to the Dark Side, and would go out of their way to stamp out volatile emotions (whether love or hate) in their Younglings (and older Jedi); this was why Anakin was "too old" to be a Jedi; the Jedi were relying on indoctrination and arguably even a sort of brainwashing to make younglings reject emotion. Anakin was too old for this kind of conditioning - being told to suppress (or let go) of his fears and emotions only aggravated him further (and made him feel guilty about having such emotions in the first place.) Notice, that while Luke does embrace his emotions (specifically in the form of his love for Leia and Anakin), he manages not to be ruled by his emotions. He is able to control his actions, and act in accordance with Jedi philosophy (peace and pacifism) despite his emotions. Unlike the past Jedi, he doesn't suppress them to the point where he feels nothing (or refuses to admit to himself that he feels something) - rather he accepts what he feels as part of him, and is able to transcend these feelings to do the right thing. I think this is what the Jedi were intending to be all along; but at some point in ages past, their philosophy got confused and twisted, mired in rigid doctrine and inflexible tradition, that they lost their way (which allowed the Sith to rise against them and form the Galactic Empire). How Disney Star Wars fits into any of this, I have no idea - I stopped caring, and don't consider any of it canon anyway.

@@LadyDoomsinger Yes. To all of it. What I meant, just in more detail. … Most especially the last bit. 😏

@@LadyDoomsinger a very well-written breakdown. Yes, in the original EU books following the defeat of the emperor, Luke revitalizes the Jedi order to draw from positive emotions. He even changes the rule about having a family and has kids himself.

This is wrong. Mace Windu quite literally invented a fighting style that was just a bootlegged version of a dark side fighting style. He has, in the EU, taught it pratically half the jedi order by the time he dies, and in the Disney Canon he's taught at least 3 people, who have gone on to teach others. Moreover, Luke's 'new jedi order' has been demonstrated to demonize passions and connections the same way as the Galatic Republic in accordance with Disney's canon -- the only canon that matters in regards to the content Disney produces. Moreover, to your last point, Obi Wan has actively used dark side manuevers in his fighting as early as Attack of the Clones, seemingly without much moral lamentations it seems.

@@nananamamana3591 Oh no, sorry, but I was referencing actual canon, not the fanfiction Disney has been selling. I had one viewing of The Last Jedi and said goodbye to Disney. So I just enjoy everything I can from prior to the Disney era and avoid giving Disney / Lucasfilm a single cent or watch.

Seconded. Shad would probably find the fights a little too flashy with all the spins and flourishes, but decent for the most part

Considering they didnt even bother getting the lighting right on the last fight. They cant even use needing a physical weight to get accurate cgi lighting as an excuse for their stupidity

I really like the second fight between malgus and satele on Alderaan

@@lt3746 It does prove Shad's constant point of flippy dippy moves being useless and likely fatal since Malgus had her dead to rights due to her flashy acrobatics she tried

George Lucas actually said in an old interview that lightsabers are supposed to have wait to them because of how much energy they were putting out

The no attachment thing believe it or not is actually not an integral part of Jedi philosophy, but something that actually came much later from the inception of the Order. Basically what happened is that Jedi started falling to the dark side and had a tendency to make huge wars with massive collateral damage when they did. Because most of their motives for falling was because of revenge, the Order as a whole ended up concluding that it would be better if they trained their own when they were very young and forbade attachments because of probable dark side influence. While this method did have it’s benefits and did decrease the number of fallen Jedi during the later wars with the Sith, it ultimately came to bite them in the arse hard during the Rise of the Empire era for obvious reasons.

@@jakobrenner2230 And even before that, in the Old Republic era, the Jedi, staunch in their detatchment from all things, actually almost let the fucking GALAXY BURN at the hands of the Mandalorians. This might have encouraged them to re-evaluate later as the inaction (bordering on Apathy) almost cost them, in the long run, the whole order itself along with the Republic it protected.

The jedi philosophy was wrong and it's been proven time and time again in starwars Canon, They were wrong in their failings with Darth Revan and they were wrong in their failings with Vader, Over 1000 years if dogmatic ignorance lead to their greatest failures as an institute.. Even when Luke is trained Yoda remains stuck in his ways and Luke wins against vader despite not having his full training because Luke believed in his friends and the light in his father, in the old Canon when Luke started his academy he allowed his students to form connections and even use the "dark side" abilities he just didn't want them to become consumed by the darkness.. also in every scene where a sith lord is defeated in the movies, (idk about the new 3) The jedi gives in to emotion and their connections to their loved ones, Obi Wan beats Maul when he steps it up after qui gons death, Luke bests vader when vader threatens his sister, Anakin bests Dooku when both of his mentors are in danger, Ironically Yoda the jedi with the emotional range of a slug was unable to defend his temple and defeat Palpatine.. In knights of the old republic 1 and 2 the jedi code is questioned and there are countless examples of how what they believed was not the right thing, their abstinence from war let the mandolorians pillage the galaxy in failing to react they lost their best students when Darth Revan abandoned the order to stop the mandolorians, this failure would be echoed 1000 years later with their ignorance of the dark side of the force would leave them blind to the threat right under their noses, had they not tried to neuter their students emotionally and instead encouraged and guided them they might have been able to show Anakin the way, but their beliefs left him in the dark, literally.

I mean, Obiwan promised to train Anakin and thus he trusted Obiwan to do it.

@@daefaron lol so if Obi said no, Qui-Gon would have climbed his way back up!

The dark side of the force is literally known for extending life beyond what is naturally possible. The hatred felt is what keeps people alive, it's why Anakin didn't die, it's why Sion didn't die, it's why every dark side user has survived ridiculous pain and suffering and it's spoken about I'm cannon multiple times

@@thebovlin1966 Then what's the point in any fight if anyone can survive any mortal wound. If getting stabbed straight through the stomach with a light sabre isn't enough to kill someone, why do people keep thinking that's enough to leave them for dead and why as the audience should we be invested.

@@thebovlin1966 Has the Dark Side in Movie/Disney Canon ever been depicted as saving someone from a blatantly mortal wound (Sidious's talk to Anakin suggests Plagueis's knowledge was lost/unknown to him and had to be rediscovered)? While most people would call for a Mercy kill after 3rd Degree burns like Anakin's, I don't find it the most outrageous that he survived long enough to be picked up by a super ambulance and basically put in a giant Iron Lung Armor. My issue with Reva is that by all accounts, she got run through with a Lightsaber twice, both times in a situation where no one would be coming to save her immediately, and she seems to recover to the point you wouldn't know she had been injured in such a way after despite Lightsabers being depicted as significantly more lethal than a standard blade wound (i.e. a cut that you might survive from a Sword you likely would not survive the same inflicted by a Lightsaber)

For the third time! 🤣

um the blade is weightless but the actual hilt is apparently rather heavy and almost fighting against you in the lore due to the internals so it wouldn't be as close as you think also it takes more than a slight touch you still have to cut deep enough to hit something important yes flash boiling a chunk of fat would hurt but it's not lethal on the spot

Sounds as plausible like a Tazer with Low/Medium/Hi knobs or BULLETS WITH A SOFT SIDE…

I think old EU also had specifically designated Training Sabers that, rather than a setting, simply didn't generate a killing level of force, so Lightsabers without a lethal setting can work as an idea for that scene in either continuity

@@Ramsey276one Lightsabers are eletronics like any other, they even need to be put on chargers, i'm pretty sure low mode is a normal thing

@@passarovoador6662 I saw the comment about the EU explanation, so now I am willing to believe it. XD

@@Ramsey276one LOL

Thanks you so much, the support really helps.

That is a pretty good point I didn't think about. If Obi wan didn't kill Vader because he was to emotional and felt doing so would cause him to fall to the dark side. Perhaps he knew he could only kill Vader with hate in his heart so he needs Luke to be his proxy.

Yeah, them meeting here also kinda messes up the original reasoning for why their fight in Episode 4 was so slow. Originally it was due to them fighting with glass rods while filming. lol. But in lore they made it so the last time Vader met Obi-Wan was their original fight in Episode 3. So Vader was playing it very cautiously so as to not potentially let Obi-Wan get the upper hand. Now it kinda just seems like the fight is slow for no reason again.

Agreed they should not have met at all. I personally would have written the show to more of a philosophical and introspective look into Obi-Wan in this period, making him the audience perspective to see how the empire has changed the galaxy. Then we also get a look at Vader’s first steps, and how he handles slaughtering his once fellow Jedi. It would be a side-by-side look at the stark differences within the both of them, though they wouldn’t meet at all.

Yeah but no, tbh Tatooine is boring and dull. Visually it’d be a boring show if set completely on sand planet, just like how Dune is also visually boring.

@@scottmemelord6130 I mean, Vader lost to Obi Wan not once but twice now, and quite badly too. That only reinforces their Episode IV fight being slow.

Good point. There's a snowball's chance in hell that someone with at least mediocre cognitive ability was involved with this. Baby steps.

another thing, at 1:00:30 lightsaber can't slide on other lightsabers, so yes vader could break the bind, but not by sliding. lightsaber hold the contact point as long as they are not separated.

@@iilaunch I've been wondering about that. But I wasn't sure if that's ever been spelled out in canon.

Nah in this fight we see obi one outright over power vsders swings with pure strength even though it makes zero sense he literally just bats his swings away when the plot requires it even though kenobi is a master of defense and finesse they just gave him anime protagonist powers and had him brute strength vader

Plus right after he dodges he has a perfect moment to counter without dealing with the strike keep coping

I agree wholeheartedly. Maybe with the addition that Obi-Wan should seem to perish in an explosion or so, so it would be believable that Sidious does not want to hunt him down (why wouldn't he? I really didn't get that from the series finale) and Imperial officers genuinely believe that he is dead along with all the other Jedi by ANH.

I don't think Vader wanted to put out the fire. I think Vader saw new ways to humiliate his old master.

Inconsistent force use has become a major problem…

Another thing is Vader force blocking Reva and Obi and then doesn't

@@chriscantrell9012 given that he gets mad at his subordinate for letting Obi Wan escape, I don't think so. Not to mention that it would be out of character for him anyway. I have the same problem with him using the fire the way he did in the first place. In the OT, Vader is very pragmatic and controlled, not vindictive and stupid.

@@chriscantrell9012 He also wanted to know who the hell was pulling Kenobi's fat out of the literal fryer. Anyone ballsy or stupid enough to oppose the Empire had to have connections to other ballsy/stupid people. Might as well get them all in one go.

Not only that, it's been made the central theme of Jedi since the start in Old Republic stuff. It's the entire reason for their split from the Je'daii into the Jedi and the Sith, and the entire reason for why the Jedi always have dark Jedi who leave the order, their adherence to no emotion and attachment always drives a wedge and causes all their problems.

No it isn’t

"Through Passion we gain Strength," - The Sith Code. "There is no Emotion, only Peace," - The Jedi Code I know the games aren't really canon anymore, but those two lines always seemed to me, to emphasize the split between Jedi and Sith. Also, if you notice in the OT; while Luke does accept and embrace his passion (in the form of his love for Leia and Anakin), he isn't ruled by emotion. He controls his passion, rather than suppressing it (as the old Jedi did), and perhaps that was the point all along; that the Jedi Order, somewhere along the way had confused "control" of emotion for "suppressing" emotions.

@@LadyDoomsinger A central point of the original trilogy, which is mentioned in Kotor as well, is that love is an incredibly positive emotion for Jedi. In fact, positive emotion *in general* is good for a jedi. However, negative emotions lead to the darkside too easily, and therefore are seen as dangerous. That's the entire Jedi justification for banning emotion. Ironically, it's a fear response. It's not healthy, and the ramifications of that is why Anakin falls.

@@KillerChickn yeah the Jedi have been consistently wrong about how emotions work, because they were infinitely scarred by the horrors of the various schisms and destructive wars that occurred early in their history. Ironically, it was *their* fears of it happening again that led the most dogmatic and strict members to take control and implement serious rules to govern the emotions of their members.

But spinning is a neat trick.

@@bigsmoke8816 that's a lot of mass to pack into that tiny cylinder... and even if they were that heavy, the weight would still be in the hilt, not the blade. You'd do even less if this heavy swinging and more fast blade movements. Also I'd assume they would use force assisted moves, like the jumps.

Weight is a good thing in visual storytelling. I'm not going to criticize it.

Honestly, it's hard to make worse, but they break new record every single time...

not that they aren't bad. they are bad. but we don't just hate bad, like you said they are missed opportunities.

Sith: Only a weak and pathetic Jedi would ever use such a dirty trick. Jedi: Such a foul and rotten trick could only ever be utilized by a sith!

@@Starlitsoul0359 Exactly

So it is not ''legal''...

it's also dumb and libel to get you killed if your opponent ever picks up on it

So they've basically banished the most effective way of fighting with lightsaber just because it's "not honorable"... Doesn't make much sense to me. Also imagine if Luke did that during his fight with Vader just because no one told him it was a dirty move. A much better explanation would've been that lightsabers need some time to recharge after you turn them off, so if you turn it off in the middle of a fight you wouldn't be able to turn it on in time and get killed.

I remember that from the books too way back in the old EU. I think the children trained with training sabers that were designed not to cut through flesh.

@@Gaia_Gaistar I think it's still Canon, it's just never been mentioned

@@reeceemms1643 my philosophy is that unless we’re told otherwise there’s no real reason for that not to be the case in Disney canon

@@goldtyphlosion7537 Or we can just ignore the Disney wars canon because it's horrible and contradicting while and the original lore and continuity has always been better.

@@reeceemms1643 Rebels demonstrated it. Their lightsabers glow and sound a little bit different in training mode.

Or Vader is using the force to give himself protection from the rocks in a last gasp defense.

@@aleccaldas8616 That also makes sense. Realistically all the force users are getting thrown against walls and jumping from heights where my legs would my legs would be broken…that clearly they have a higher constitution than most.

Yeah, I don't like how Shadversity assumes all rocks have the same density and structure. Or, even better, that humans living on other planets would have the same bone density as us. A critic who's overly critical leaves room himself open for criticism.

If we’re going to excuse Disney for having guys hurl giant but completely harmless rocks at each other, then everything else is fine too. We don’t know what Obi’s anatomy is actually like. He’s from another plant. It’s possible that he could live and fight with his head chopped off. Sam goes for the emperor. Why should we have expected him to die when at the end of ROTJ? I’m sure he could’ve just used a force shield and body density to survive. Turns out Disney writers are geniuses. They realize that everyone can just be like Superman if they’re from another planet.

@@notyourbusiness5530 do you really think Disney took into consideration the type of rocks he was throwing?. It's obvious they just thought it was good and didn't care how canon breaking it was. Why are we defending this garbage show

*debris

Yoda: Extended Universe there is, no legends

it's not like jedi arent known to survive 100 ft+ falls anyway

Poison weapons are cool, but remember not to lick the blade for intimidation factor like that one scene in Hero Yoshihiko.

The problem with poison & weapons is the delivery mechanism. Just dipping a blade in poison is going to be extremely ineffective, as metal isn't particularly absorbent. On top of that, by the time you're close enough to stick somebody with a hypothetical poisoned blade, you're already sticking them with a blade so the poison is kind of pointless. Poison-tipped arrows and blow-darts are documented as having been used, as those are effective means of delivering the poison and make the weapon in question significantly more effective than it would otherwise be without poison on it.

@@Astraeus.. ... you know you just need an open wound so venom can actually be effective?? and what do you mean it wont be effective if you just "dip it" ? well shallow wound wouldnt be effective but if the venom gets in enough it would still be effective. also, this implies that some form of venom are hard to stick with metal, which is not really. it depends, some venoms depends on their venomous structure would be very sticky to metal sometimes

Who needs poison when you can cover the blade in your own shite. Far cheaper and arguably deadlier.

@@bluejacketergazu2447 Even with that being the case, I feel like you're going to need a very special (meaning probably too expensive to use realistically) toxin that can not only be held on a weapon, but a lethal quantity transferred into the opponent's bloodstream from a small cut. Added to this it'd need to be so incredibly fast acting that it starts to significantly impair the opponent within seconds of delivery, because you have to be within melee range to ever apply the toxin with a dagger/swrod or whatever. This is ignoring the added problems of the toxin needing to be easily stored, stable enough to last from purchase to battle and not being washed off when it rains during the battle. Adding to the other problem of having on your person at all times a sharp object that if you touch will almost certainly kill you instantly. Have fun sharpening/reapplying the poison on that knife without touching anything except the handle at any point.

O M G XD Though Fancy Dancer Secret Ninja is quite a good concept “She Jette’d you unconscious, you DOLT!” XD

It's an absolute statement. But it's no the same as dealing in absolutes. Sith deal in absolutes so it's either their way or no way. While a jedi si supposed to be open to improvisation

​@@jrosegaming3025The jedi philosophy was wrong and it's been proven time and time again in starwars Canon, They were wrong in their failings with Darth Revan and they were wrong in their failings with Vader, Over 1000 years if dogmatic ignorance lead to their greatest failures as an institute.. Even when Luke is trained Yoda remains stuck in his ways and Luke wins against vader despite not having his full training because Luke believed in his friends and the light in his father, in the old Canon when Luke started his academy he allowed his students to form connections and even use the "dark side" abilities he just didn't want them to become consumed by the darkness.. also in every scene where a sith lord is defeated in the movies, (idk about the new 3) The jedi gives in to emotion and their connections to their loved ones, Obi Wan beats Maul when he steps it up after qui gons death, Luke bests vader when vader threatens his sister, Anakin bests Dooku when both of his mentors are in danger, Ironically Yoda the jedi with the emotional range of a slug was unable to defend his temple and defeat Palpatine.. In knights of the old republic 1 and 2 the jedi code is questioned and there are countless examples of how what they believed was not the right thing, their abstinence from war let the mandolorians pillage the galaxy in failing to react they lost their best students when Darth Revan abandoned the order to stop the mandolorians, this failure would be echoed 1000 years later with their ignorance of the dark side of the force would leave them blind to the threat right under their noses, had they not tried to neuter their students emotionally and instead encouraged and guided them they might have been able to show Anakin the way, but their beliefs left him in the dark, literally.

I agree that watching fight scenes in slow motion can be a bit silly and can easily be way over critical (suppose that's the point though), but the assertion that they can't react quick enough doesn't really work out IRL. If your blade is in front of yourself, there is a relative short distance you need to move your hand to either defend or attack, if the blade is not in front you that distance many times greater. Moving this distance of course takes time, and they are already reacting within the time it takes to to move the short distance. The reason sword people get so bent about spins, is because the spin doesn't just take a few times more time, it takes an astronomical amount of time (relative to how fast a normal move is) all while the non-spinner isn't concerned whatsoever about being attacked because the spinning person's blade is usually not even near them. That said, some benefit-of-the-doubt options that can still make martially questionable fights enjoyable are: They just missed the opening or are getting exhausted (people make obvious mistakes allot when reviewing combat footage) The person is not taking advantage of the openings because they are toying with the opponent. And finally, realizing that the fight was choreographed to be fun, look cool, be friendly to the film's budget and safe for the actors.

@@deadlymarmoset2074 Good reply! Thank you. I was partially worried I'd get hate for my comment. And of course you're right. And plenty of shad's points are valid. Aiming at nothing, doing a crazy move when a simple one works more efficiently. Doing something non lethal when you're trying to kill. All valid, And also just what happens when you're filming a choreographed sequence rather than just fighting, they have to avoid really hitting each other and won't always make the most efficient move, which is why if you look at people in larp, who wear decent protective gear, and use safety weapons, they sort of just bash at each other aggressively. Actors have to avoid hitting each other, both are different to what I imagine someone who had to train for real would look like. By "can't react quick enough" I suppose I mean "not sure if they should react" or "waiting to see how to react" I do stage combat which definitely isn't the same as a fight to the death with laser swords, and it could just be my own way of doing things, but I try to avoid rushing in for an attack when my opponent is in the middle of a movement. If they're doing something, I don't want to try doing something too. I want to figure out what they're doing and protect myself from it. I imagine real fighting looks more like it does in "the duelist" with a lot of watching and waiting. So yeah, suspension of disbelief is important in starwars but also they should try a little harder to choreograph what makes sense.

Fighters at extremely high levels react faster than you realize. The subconscious isn't reflex, it's faster. A highly well trained fighter could be on someone turning their back in an instant, and we're talking about Force sensitives here who can act even faster. Still, they are also aided by the Force while spinning, so it's hard to say when a spin is truly dangerous.

Professional fighters and swordsman don’t do don’t spins, at least not consistently and repetitively with success. If it doesn’t work at the elite level than it shouldn’t be the 2nd most common move constantly being shown in what is meant to be a fight between Jedi masters.

Reacting to spins is more of a pattern recognition thing. You have to recognize someone is about to spin before they do it. I think Shad has a lense for how he views the world that he's developed over many years, but that lense often leads to him being short-sighted. He's so focused about the ideal of things that he's blinded to how events would actually play out.

The Force Unleashed showed Vader and Palpatine producing auras that protected them from attacks. I like the logic of there being a barrier, whether visible or invisible that they're conjuring out of thin air with the Force. There's a nice scene from DBZ where Frieza blows up a mountain, and even though Goku's aura is not visible, the rock fragments shatter in mid-air as they fly towards Goku -- implying that Goku has an aura around him, even if it's invisible. I would just use the logic that a visible aura just means they're putting more power into the barrier compared to usual.

Now all i can see is running vader, thanks LOL

So Darth Vader is Michael Myers now?

@@coulsonintahiti Battlefront 2 bro, running Vaders everywhere

@@lefishe6611 LOL

"Batman, but you can see him running away."

Seems legit.

Attatchment as form of posession is a bad thing, but being compassionative to your dad is a good thing The Jedi in the Prequels were so de-attatchment that they stoped caring as much, The Jedi code is NOT BAD The Jedi that were corrupted

and when they literally see the future. not every move is the best possible move because for force users it'd be too obvious.

that is the biggest issues with weapons people breaking down light saber fights... MOST of them don't really consider the fact that they are force users... some might consider the ability to jump/move or pull/pull, but they rarely consider what 2 opponents, both with precognition does in a binding situation

I don't think that covers it. This isn't an AI running on windows 98 - it doesn't need 5 seconds to process its information. What they would do as precogs is, I imagine, to either disengage because the bind limits their possibilities or to do small movements while holding the bind to feel out their opponent and to control the possibilities in their favor. Standing perfectly still doesn't change anything unless they are waging a force war with their minds or something. It is a static situation until you introduce a new variable or change an existing one.

@@andrewjustice210 because the showrunners don't either. You'd fight very differently if you could see the future. There would be an emphasis on psychological, not physical, warfare. Both parties would try to manipulate each other. Jedi and Sith would be constantly attacking each other psychologically, since even a moment of weakness would be fatal. The physical moves are irrelevant if you already know the outcome. I don't actually know of anything that does this so I would default to The Gamer-manga's interpretation: Factions have foretellers specifically for this purpose and they wage a constant war in trying to change the future in their favor and to obscure the future or hide details of it from their opponents. You need to control what information your opponent has access to.

@@Wyzai This is a big reason why Yoda was a flippy boi. He was not the greatest duelist, so he used the force to augment his movements so they become very sporadic making it harder to gauge where the attack comes from.

That’s “borrowed” from the old EU. Being able to reduce lightsaber power to nonlethal levels was canon long before Rebels. Rebels just brought it into Disney canon.

@@John-fk2ky Was never canon before as the old EU wasn't canon either.

Then why aren't they hitting each other, they'll never become better fighters if they deliberately miss attacks

Links, by any chance? I'm not saying this as an attempt to discredit, I simply just genuinely find this facinating and would like to learn more.

@@zazi5305 Star Wars Meg covered it in one of her videos yesterday (Obi-Wan Kenobi HUGE REVEALS) and another one three days earlier (Obi-Wan Kenobi NEWS UPDATE) where she's covering an exclusive interview of the writer by The Direct website. I've tried putting links in my comments but YT always deletes my comments but if you go to her channel, you can find those two videos very easily. The Direct articles are identified as: -Obi-Wan Kenobi Movie Trilogy Was Planned Before Disney+ (Exclusive) June 27, 2022 - Obi-Wan Kenobi Writer Reveals Commander Cody's Scrapped Role (Exclusive) July 1, 2022

@@JohnFourtyTwo Ooo, danke danke! I appreciate your thorough and genuine response!

I'm sad that we didn't get that and instead got another Mary Sue adventures series.

@@James35142 My feelings exactly.👍

That's actually a really interesting concept.

OH

That is because this writer has a habit of lifting scenes from other works. A solid chunk of the Inquisitor base events was taken directly from Jedi Fallen Order for instance.

Vader was sick that day 😄

Except he clearly doesn’t believe Vader can be redeemed by the time of Return of the Jedi.

@@charliemallonee2792 So he would kill him here, do you see the issue?

@@thegoodfather1177 Yep. He definitely should have. Either he believes Anakin is dead and should have no reservations killing Vader, or he should still have hope Anakin can be redeemed. It just doesn’t work as is.

It’s been a while, but I think they trade out the crystals to reduce the power instead of having a different setting to choose from.

I read one of the Obi-Wan books when I was much younger. They explicitly stated they used special training lightsabers. Obi-Wan could not just turn up the setting to kill as a student, it was always just going to effectively be a stun baton.

@@Edax_Royeaux they give a shock, strong enough to make you learn

it would have probably been like that Kenobi was going to be a movie

They should not have met a single time.

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