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Firefighters get caught in flashover attacking apartment fire in Northampton, PA.

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4 жыл бұрын

Late Thursday night, Northampton Station 42 was dispatched along with numerous surrounding fire departments to 1803 Main Street for a smoke detector activation with smoke in the hallway.
Police arrived and reported a working fire with people trapped.
Engine 42 arrives and stretches to the second floor from the exterior stairs. They advance into the enclosed porch. While waiting for the line to be charged, members went to the bedroom to do a search for the trapped civilian. When the noticed the flash occurring, the bailed out the exterior door as they were caught in a flashover. The fire vented out the door and over the top of the firefighters on the enclosed landing. The fire room was very small, maybe 8 x 10.
When they finally got water, they made a hit and advanced in. As fire was venting out the side window, the trapped occupant made it to the next window and jumped.

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@ericweiler6571
@ericweiler6571 2 жыл бұрын
Those cops and firefighters ran to the guy who jumped out of a 2 story window. I'm usually not for police getting involved in the fire when the fire dept is there, but this was pure instinct. They saw someone who could be in serious trouble and they reacted. They were jumping over that fence like it wasn't there and not once even thought about the dangers they could face. That is a definition of a hero in my book. Great cooperation between first responders. Love it. Keep up the good work fellas
@johnreiman297
@johnreiman297 4 жыл бұрын
Luckily that man saved himself as this department performed horribly.
@matttwomey8554
@matttwomey8554 4 жыл бұрын
Being a firefighter myself I would not trust that engineer. Train.Train. And train. If you don't know how to run the pump step down your risking lives. Too many people just want the department t-shirts. Sorry to be so blunt but firefighters and civilians could have lost their lives. If you can't pump from the tank while waiting for a hydrant get out of the way. Again I'm sorry, but brothers and sisters could have been killed.
@hollzie7348
@hollzie7348 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!! And I can't believe they didn't even help that guy out of the window but instead just watched him basically fall out of a 2 story window 😲
@ofcv1238
@ofcv1238 2 жыл бұрын
@@hollzie7348 camera & oblivious bystanders see more in retrospect. You don’t know staffing nor people drawn away with water pumping problem…flashover didn’t help shifted focus. It was not pretty
@wilsjane
@wilsjane 2 жыл бұрын
@@matttwomey8554 That is why I can never understand why high pressure pre-primed hose reels are not fitted to so many trucks in the US. They can get water on the fire within 30 seconds, with no kinking problems and one man every 10 feet. They have saved many lives during rescue, particularly in vehicle fires when people are trapped. The truck can also be moved easily if things start to get worse. Here in the UK, larger line are only needed in about 5% of fire calls.
@emmanuelmendonca3922
@emmanuelmendonca3922 Жыл бұрын
@@matttwomey8554 Was the engineer to blame for the crew advancing into the structure with so much folded up uncharged hose line...the door being held open with no water supply?
@davestark5560
@davestark5560 4 жыл бұрын
Guys, what the hell are you doing attacking a fire without a charged hose line ???. Stacking 5 of you at the top of a staircase. You guys got very lucky.
@Derekva40
@Derekva40 4 жыл бұрын
my point exactly
@firebuff2787
@firebuff2787 4 жыл бұрын
because they are untrained volunteer scabs
@firebuff2787
@firebuff2787 4 жыл бұрын
@ronald nolan wouldnt waste my time with vollies
@Schulzffw
@Schulzffw 4 жыл бұрын
@@firebuff2787 I'm a volunteer myself, like 96% of German forces, you arrogant prick. And you couldn't teach us anything new. Arroganter Armleuchter
@Schulzffw
@Schulzffw 4 жыл бұрын
@ronald nolan firebuff27, propablly shat himself, the first time he saw real fire.
@patricktapia5525
@patricktapia5525 3 жыл бұрын
Why would you be within 20 feet of an involved room without a charged line? God was with you guys that day. Glad everyone is ok
@luiswicho5301
@luiswicho5301 Жыл бұрын
Indeed
@juancena930
@juancena930 Жыл бұрын
I Don't Know why They Pushed This with a dry line specifically. I've Seen Great videos of Dry entry's, But THIS.. Is not that
@ffnelson782fmfd4
@ffnelson782fmfd4 11 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly!!
@chromosomecommander7118
@chromosomecommander7118 10 ай бұрын
@@juancena930it was a stairwell so they were probably trying to get it set up as good as possible so they can make a push, i seen they was trying fimblefuck it over the rail so that may be why
@Coldwarrior7781
@Coldwarrior7781 6 ай бұрын
Yup. It was clearly a very hot room. Kinda inevitable.
@carlr9869
@carlr9869 4 жыл бұрын
I would like to say thanks to all the first responders for all you do for us, thank you.
@sahmuleadams5270
@sahmuleadams5270 Жыл бұрын
Make sure your engineer is ready as you take a dry line
@chrisenglert3958
@chrisenglert3958 8 ай бұрын
Its easier to navigate stairs and corners with a dry line and then charge the line once you arrive at the fire itself. Many departments use this method and find it to increase response time to get water on the fire.
@CSAFD
@CSAFD 4 жыл бұрын
Good rule of thumb next time charge the line BEFORE going up the stairs.....
@Pastor_RogerSherwood
@Pastor_RogerSherwood 4 жыл бұрын
Should be a no- brainer but I know I used to advance a dry line before I got caught in the same type of situation. Let’s learn from them and not criticize these guys. Stay safe!!
@and526625
@and526625 4 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is i aint a fire fighter and agree with you guys. Not rocket science
@tradizione100
@tradizione100 4 жыл бұрын
First rule is it! Never go inside whitout water.
@Me-gt7oy
@Me-gt7oy 4 жыл бұрын
If you have a competent wagon driver, there is no problem advancing a uncharged hose line inside. Been doing it for decades.
@Kegz10
@Kegz10 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, you want a charged line but why do extra work? Wait till your at the top of the stairs, then charge the line
@skymedic48
@skymedic48 4 жыл бұрын
Can't say there wasn't warning signs. That line should have been charged early, and for God's sake please learn door control. Perfect flow path example right there.
@garyscandle
@garyscandle 4 жыл бұрын
Very good point ✌️
@bencunningham6298
@bencunningham6298 4 жыл бұрын
Guys were inside searching, it's a good thing the door was open or they would have had a delayed egress.
@evandavis7972
@evandavis7972 4 жыл бұрын
@@bencunningham6298 faster hose line deployment could have fixed some issues.
@ajsbrushworksllc8348
@ajsbrushworksllc8348 3 жыл бұрын
@@bencunningham6298 no actually, that is exactly why you want the door closed. Flow path matters. With that door open and guys inside, the fire is coming to where they are. Watch the NIST videos, fire eats and breathes. Those guys could have burned up due to no door control.
@jasonwolfe6266
@jasonwolfe6266 3 жыл бұрын
No door control, premature entry, stacked on the stairs, not finding out if victims inside. I would've taken the line up the stairs empty controlled the door to sufficient water was in place then pushed in
@jvandyke8079
@jvandyke8079 4 жыл бұрын
There are those of us who ARE properly trained and continue to train on a daily and weekly basis... When these videos come along, we do comment on them, sometimes good, sometimes not so good. The object is constructive criticism... NOT just to bash a department because we can... If those of us who truly know send in a comment, it is NOT because we are assholes, but because we care about saving lives... Both the lives of civilians and those of our brother and sister firefighters!
@Derekva40
@Derekva40 4 жыл бұрын
You can say that all you want.. but this is sad. This is what happens when people do this job as a hobby! I get things happen.. but if they were properly trained, the would have had a ladder to that window where the victim was.. they would have had a charged hoseline to prevent the see actual flashover ( not the rollover that happened first) and they wouldnt have gotten melted in the doorway. Sorry but sometimes you have to be honest and say things that might hurt someones feelings. A lot of people including the trapped victim could have been killed
@______-id5ud
@______-id5ud 4 жыл бұрын
@@Derekva40 you can never train enough for a job that will kill you. fire does not give two shits if you are a "hobbyist" as you called it or a career firefighter. you still have to train. was there a breakdown from the beginning? from what i saw i think there was. however, NONE OF US WERE THERE NOR DO WE HAVE ALL THE DETAILS*! stop being a monday morning armchair paper fireman and get training! *Details: initial manpower? size up? knowledge of building? secondary entry point? trained guys ready to work? this list can go on for days. don't
@lockheedload
@lockheedload 4 жыл бұрын
@@Derekva40 That's a big knock on volunteers. There are shitty vol companies. There are not so good career companies too. Everything these guys did wrong are easily visible to myself as a volunteer because I received the correct training. I'm not as proficient as career guys, but that doesn't mean the training isn't as good.
@theunstopablehunter
@theunstopablehunter 4 жыл бұрын
Derek Scalese you know hobbyist/ volunteers fire fighter train as hard as career
@Derekva40
@Derekva40 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not Monday morning qb'ing anything snd just bc I said "hobby" you all automatically ASS ume I'm referring to them being volunteers when in fact I was talking about people who sign up for this job for the lights and siren and glory of the position. without realizing and doing the training it takes to keep up the skills and proficiency to DO this job. Ive been in this JOB for 25 years and have seen many things go wrong.. BUT when there is a victim a fire that's about to flashover .. it should be muscle memory for ALL THAT JUMP OFF THAT TRUCK TO PERFORM (career or volunteer) what's I saw was pathetic and people almost got seriously hurt or killed. Dont want people to hear the truth Dont post it on you tube.
@laurachapin204
@laurachapin204 4 жыл бұрын
3:10 My heart dropped when I saw that man fall.
@CryseTech
@CryseTech 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! mine too
@roydelta1
@roydelta1 4 жыл бұрын
I was always taught, prove your water supply before entering the building. Never enter a fire compartment without water. That situation could have been very nasty for the firefighters 😔
@aportman58
@aportman58 3 жыл бұрын
Anytime you have a heavily confined charged structure fire as this one was indicating you should NEVER NEVER open a door and provide a flow-path without a line first being charged! I hate to monday morning QB, but there were too many NO NO indicators on this fire that could have exacerbated rapid sprewad and extebsion of fire which almost took the lifre of the occupant! Hope the occupant recovered okay ???
@wesrobinson7366
@wesrobinson7366 2 жыл бұрын
Yes we are not allowed to be at that door with a charged line. Second they stairs are way too crowed. We do teams of two spread apart.
@Mtb-cp6gz
@Mtb-cp6gz 4 жыл бұрын
Why on earth are they going in dry??? That water is their lifeline. This was avoidable had they charged that line quicker.
@rd4660
@rd4660 4 жыл бұрын
What did we learn this morning kids? Don't go busting into a burning house without your line charged!
@lockheedload
@lockheedload 4 жыл бұрын
@@NotCupcakes You're correct about truck crews going in with only hand tools to perform a primary search. Those guys also have an engine company or two right behind them to start making the attack. VES has and always will make closing the door an extremely high priority. These guys were not making a primary search. They were getting ready to perform an interior attack and not only opened the door without water, but left the damn door open. That's amateur hour stuff.
@eriksand9262
@eriksand9262 4 жыл бұрын
@@NotCupcakes you do know that a majority of the time, when a truck company goes in. They either already have an engine crew inside with a hose. Or they are right behind them.
@TonyAlessi6611
@TonyAlessi6611 4 жыл бұрын
@@NotCupcakesBefore a truck company enters a fire bldg. they would vent and read the signs of fire. This statement comes from a 34 year vet who started as a trukkie, went through the ranks after passing state civil service exams and retiring as a deputy Chief.
@bencunningham6298
@bencunningham6298 4 жыл бұрын
@@lockheedload The first two through the door ahead of the line were going in for a primary search. The line was right behind them with 3 other guys. Had it been charged in a timely manner this would have been a bread and butter fire.
@michaeloshea3090
@michaeloshea3090 Жыл бұрын
@@TonyAlessi6611 No venting without a charged line, radio commission is a huge part to fighting a fire between engine and truck companies.
@retiredarthritic2083
@retiredarthritic2083 4 жыл бұрын
The only error I could see was the firefighters failed to use proper door control and allowed fresh air to get to the seat of the fire before they were ready to enter. I think the lesson was learned the hard way. Just happy to note that no one was seriously injured as a result. Former volunteer Beaverlodge Ab Canada.
@stuby2014
@stuby2014 4 жыл бұрын
Really! That's the only "error" that you could see? Probably explains the word former.
@br9851
@br9851 4 жыл бұрын
I agree Vince that's why he former
@bradymengel2473
@bradymengel2473 12 күн бұрын
Great teaching moment right there. Inside the fire room with thick black smoke, no water and a bunch of guys standing in the way of your exit. You can hear him scream when it lights off, which is no small feat when wearing SCBA
@jeffreinhard5017
@jeffreinhard5017 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Bill for another action packed video to be used in fire training. No one will ever understand how adrenaline is flowing and anxiety exists until they actually roll up to one of these calls! One thing everyone needs to realize is that all firefighters are human, and mistakes happen. I do not criticize anyone, nor are any 2 calls the same. However, even though a report of entrapment came in, that line should have been charged as forcible entry was made. As you stated, that nozzle is the weapon, so more work has to be done on pump training, because it could make a huge difference in coming home at the end of the day. In the end, they made a hell of a knock, they saved the house and a job well done. My hats off to all first responders last night.
@SittingWithDogs
@SittingWithDogs 2 жыл бұрын
As a seasoned Fireman in a big city in MI known for fires that was a beautiful job. It’s not uncommon for things to light up while we’re making the original stretch. That’s all that happened. Happens everyday in the real world bro. These guys did.a great job
@andyoxleyonhistravels
@andyoxleyonhistravels 2 жыл бұрын
@@SittingWithDogs To be fair that is a bit of poor basic firefighting. The hoseline is a bundle which you will struggle to get any water through and all they did was open the door with no water to get to work and they just fed the fire and made it worse. This is just basic stuff that these guys should be able to understand and carry out. This is how firefighters get killed and seriously injured for no reason.
@tuffywarner586
@tuffywarner586 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a former fire fighter for Fairfax Co. in Va. I learned that once the hose had cleared the hose bed, and the nozzle man was at the door usually scottin up, I charged the line. The water pressure itself would help unkink the line. Here pump operator took to long.
@stitchontheambo3360
@stitchontheambo3360 4 жыл бұрын
Here's a pearl nobody else seems to have commented on yet. Never congregate on the stairs. Consider them for going up or coming down only. We saw the reason here: interior company needed to retreat but couldn't because of a logjam on the stairs. Also a good idea on EMS calls in case a patient pulls a gun or something.
@shanem6869
@shanem6869 4 жыл бұрын
Opening the door before they had a charged line...
@shanestamball1886
@shanestamball1886 4 жыл бұрын
thats a mistake they wont be making again anytime soon, until you experiance that situation and get a new sense of helpless fear. i learned my lesson never let go of the door knob
@lockheedload
@lockheedload 4 жыл бұрын
All that dark black smoke... And they gave it all the air it needed. Spot on. Wonder what the delay was getting that line charged. There's more than one apparatus on scene. Someone could have pulled a preconnect from another truck while they were working the initial supply issue. Hope they learn from it and glad they didn't get hurt.
@JakeW26
@JakeW26 4 жыл бұрын
Some sort of delay on water. Still kinda jumped the gun a little tho. At least no serious injuries occurred from it.
@LiamPattisonPhotography
@LiamPattisonPhotography 4 жыл бұрын
Any idea why it took so long to get those lines charged? Dangerous situation... especially with victims trapped.
@grabasandwich
@grabasandwich 4 жыл бұрын
I thought your name looked familiar. Seeing flashovers remind me of those two FF's who died here in Wpg a while ago. RIP
@LiamPattisonPhotography
@LiamPattisonPhotography 4 жыл бұрын
@@grabasandwich Yeah that was an absolute tragedy. Lots of Winnipeg Firefighters are still struggling with that call from what I've heard.
@roydelta1
@roydelta1 4 жыл бұрын
Blaina, South Wales UK, 2 firefighters died in similar circumstances 😔
@calebwilbur4555
@calebwilbur4555 4 жыл бұрын
Sounded like the pump operator was saying he wanst getting a prime. Unless I'm mistaken.
@gregandersen4084
@gregandersen4084 4 жыл бұрын
@Farmboy That’s not the testers’ fault or responsibility. That’s on your entire department. Hard lesson learned.
@bouncingbennyboy1965
@bouncingbennyboy1965 2 ай бұрын
Is this what the world can expect from a skilled American firefighter? I have seen many videos across America exactly like this.
@fdMT_EnGy
@fdMT_EnGy 2 жыл бұрын
Please brother and sisters, never never never go into battle without your sword...never. Second, one of the best, informative, and important raining courses I have ever taken was about reading smoke and fire behavior. Please to all chiefs and or training officers, please offer this training course to your firefighters.
@Mustang6971
@Mustang6971 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely a good training moment for these firefighters and other departments they are lucky that they were ok, also at 3:10 when that guy hopped out of the window and just got up and walked away he was more lucky then the firefighter who got caught in the flashover.
@MichaelMcMahon1969
@MichaelMcMahon1969 4 жыл бұрын
1. Entering the building with a dry line, period. 2. Five personnel inside the structure’s door, with a dry line. 3. An officer was one of the five, inside the structure, with a dry line. 4. No sense of urgency, in either getting water or getting the hell out, when it was obvious that it was about to flash! Luck was with you this time! Please don’t push it
@bryanphillips6666
@bryanphillips6666 2 жыл бұрын
It's a rental, no one cares about the tenants.
@hollzie7348
@hollzie7348 3 жыл бұрын
I can't believe that dude was able to get back up and walk away after falling out of a 2 story house window and then landing on the ground with his body. He looked like a Raggedy Ann doll just falling out of the window. He is lucky to be alive after that 🤕😲
@raycolon477
@raycolon477 4 жыл бұрын
Why go in to that without a charged line?
@Andy-je3el
@Andy-je3el 4 жыл бұрын
Tim Kesting doesn’t matter. You don’t go in without a charged line. What the fuck are you going to do when you’re getting cooked yourself.
@Chris-sac
@Chris-sac 3 жыл бұрын
@@Andy-je3el that’s not always true. Sometimes you have no choice unless it means a total disregard for a savable human life. This case yes you are right in the way they made entry. They should have preformed VEIS.
@abipey
@abipey 4 жыл бұрын
This is not a flash over, it's a rollover.... Let's be accurate... This is a monthly occurrence in most FD. Just open the damn nozzle... I see there is Drama kings everywhere.
@Blazefork
@Blazefork 3 жыл бұрын
Been in on one of those...proper ppe will protect you and give your helmet a good patina, doesn't take much water to right the situation
@poppiarlin5612
@poppiarlin5612 3 жыл бұрын
Thank God someone knows what they are talking about! Two different occurrences.
@mrfingerlakes8735
@mrfingerlakes8735 4 жыл бұрын
That tenant lucky to be alive
@danshobbies13
@danshobbies13 4 жыл бұрын
WOW lawn cutting starting at 25 bucks! What a bargain!
@calebwilbur4555
@calebwilbur4555 4 жыл бұрын
Going in like that without charging the line is like carrying a sidearm with no ammunition.
@juliakutzler9599
@juliakutzler9599 4 жыл бұрын
As I watch our first responders, Police, Firemen/women, Fire Police, other Fire companies, this brought to mind how they all lay down their lives for us...negative criticisms are not warranted at this time. They did their best! They came out to save a life! This is a boarding house made of clapboard and will burn very fast. Thank You! Northampton Fire Fighters for being willing to die for me! Love all of you to the moon and back! Yes!! we need volunteers and people to give of their time unselfishly! Christ died for us and they will too!
@lockheedload
@lockheedload 4 жыл бұрын
As a fellow firefighter, the constructive feedback is warranted. Apparently no one there cares about them enough to properly educate them. If one of them reads these comments and learns something from it, it could help save firefighter lives down the road.
@skymedic48
@skymedic48 4 жыл бұрын
I completely disagree with you. Doing "your best" is a good way to let complacency and bad habits in. There is no standard for "doing your best". Don't train until you get it right....train until you don't do it wrong.
@alleybrown8753
@alleybrown8753 4 жыл бұрын
Agree with what you said the firemen did a great job
@bernatdsampson4810
@bernatdsampson4810 3 жыл бұрын
if that was someones best id wait for it to rain. When a firefighter dies more times than not its because of either poor training freelancing or just someone did something dumb. Its nice being a hero but you have spent to much time in parades and not enough time training. If that was my fire dept id move out of town
@bernatdsampson4810
@bernatdsampson4810 3 жыл бұрын
by the way 40 years on the job and the worst are sometimes paid so don't blame volunteers
@stuby2014
@stuby2014 6 ай бұрын
A reminder that one mistake could cost someone their life.
@shelbymccoy3936
@shelbymccoy3936 4 жыл бұрын
Did the trapped man cause a big flow of air causing the flashover? Not trying to blame anyone. If that was the case he probably didn't realize it would place firefighters in danger and maybe opened a door to escape. It gave the fire a huge gust of oxygen. Why was the line in their hands not charged b4 they opened the door?Just asking. Not being critical. I wasn't there and so I don't judge these things. Our firefighters are heroes and work hard for our good. Many thanks to all first responders!!! Hopefully the firefighters weren't hurt. It truly is a dangerous job!!
@FireRescue80
@FireRescue80 4 жыл бұрын
That is a very good observation.
@ritirons2726
@ritirons2726 4 жыл бұрын
Shelby, without getting technical, a flashover is a temperature driven event that occurs when fire gases within the fire room have reached their ignition temperatures. The potential for, or the actual occurrence of a flashover can be prevented by ventilation. Opening a door or breaking a window will actually decrease the possibility of a flashover occurring by releasing the heat and smoke, effectively lowering the overall and ignition point temperatures. A backdraft on the other hand is an air driven event, which creates a rapid development of fire due to a large amount of air being introduced into a oxygen starved or ventilation limited fire. In that situation you will see an extremely rapid, sometimes explosive increase in the fire. This was certainly a flashover but it did not occur because air was introduced.
@michaelrhea3033
@michaelrhea3033 4 жыл бұрын
@@ritirons2726 Actually, ventilation absolutely can cause flashover, and the lack of door control while awaiting water very likely contributed to flashover here. Any opening of the building should be considered ventilation, and without a charged hoseline in place, ventilation induced flashover is a very real possibility. The opening of the window upstairs simply created another flowpath for the fire.
@ritirons2726
@ritirons2726 4 жыл бұрын
Who opened a window?
@ritirons2726
@ritirons2726 4 жыл бұрын
I should have clarified my final sentence a little more clearly. What I meant was the air from the window the occupant opened did not contribute to the flashover, as it had already occurred. Also note that there is very little smoke issuing from the window he opened and exited from. This suggests that whatever the area he was in was not connected to the fire room. If it were that person would not have survived the conditions inside, and heavy black smoke would have began issuing the instant he opened it. The description also states that the room was approx 8’x10’. The area the occupant exited from was much further away than the size description. Anyway, in the end and in the opinion of many people, the door should not have been opened without water. The minute the first crew opens a door to a fully developed, flashover primed room without water, the door needs to be closed until water can be applied to cool the atmosphere.
@daviddewey8242
@daviddewey8242 3 жыл бұрын
Most amazing thing about this whole video,this guy pretty much tucks,and barrel rolls out a 2 story window,gets up walks away,climbs over the fence like nothing happened.
@FloozieOne
@FloozieOne 2 жыл бұрын
There wasn't just one flashover there were two. The second at 2:38 happens in less than one second. 2:37 just heavy black smoke, 2:38 full flames. The man they put on the stretcher had some huge bleeding gashes on him; one on his forearm and one across his neck. I don't know if he was a FF or a resident but those could only come from either being hit with big flying glass from the explosion or being pulled out through a broken window. A very scary scene all around.
@devonjohnson1800
@devonjohnson1800 4 жыл бұрын
No one new they were trapped?? No ground ladders to make a attempt to rescue from the window?? Come on.... And this looks like a multi family apartment too.
@firebuffvideo
@firebuffvideo 4 жыл бұрын
Ahhhhh why is there so many comments on negativity? Reported fire, FD pulls up, water went on the fire, wrapped up and units returned. What’s so hard about this?
@jasonbennett6780
@jasonbennett6780 4 жыл бұрын
firebuffvideo ...There will always be KZfaq fire chiefs.
@damienflexer7976
@damienflexer7976 4 жыл бұрын
Because they didn't follow procedure and almost got themselves killed
@rd4660
@rd4660 4 жыл бұрын
There should always be a constant pursuit of doing it right. Criticism is an important part of that process The initial response to this fire was a cockup of the first degree. I didn't see or hear any leadership, what I did see is lots of FFs running into each other without water while the victim was going without a ladder to get his ass out of the building. They can do better...that's the point of criticism. And if that FD didn't have a debrief after that fire, they're losing an opportunity to learn and do better next time.
@ItsTheCostanza
@ItsTheCostanza 4 жыл бұрын
Keyboard firemen. I knew this video would be hammered with comments
@firebuffvideo
@firebuffvideo 4 жыл бұрын
“YES” It amazes me how it’s always “next time”. We have all these new toys, we need this, we need that. We have hundreds of hours in training racked up. This one took these courses and that one took those courses to be Chief or Company Officer or some position to wear a vest. Then the true fire happens and it seems all the time we have been playing and hoping to do the job, everything goes out the window!!!!! Why is that?
@geraldwilson681
@geraldwilson681 Жыл бұрын
That dark smoke pushing out like that should've been a warning sign to these firefighters. And where's the charged line?
@amymonsour1257
@amymonsour1257 4 жыл бұрын
I can't believe how look it took that man to finally jump out of the window. I'd be yeeting myself out that window the second my house looked like that
@PMAN-jj1hn
@PMAN-jj1hn 4 жыл бұрын
That’s why you don’t crowd the stairs; what’s the deal with the pump operator??
@luke4578
@luke4578 4 жыл бұрын
It may not be the pump operator they may have not call for water yet it’s easier to move a line up the stairs dry but hey I have no clue I was not there
@colyngersty425
@colyngersty425 4 жыл бұрын
The engine had a pump test and the testers didn’t fill up the pump with water. We were not aware of this as no one has told anyone in the department.
@StephenNurn
@StephenNurn 4 жыл бұрын
Farmboy090 who doesnt check their rig after it comes back from a pump test or any sort of maintenance? No excuses. Everything could have been avoided. If there was water earlier than that, the victim that jumped out of the window could have been saved.
@extremegunn94
@extremegunn94 4 жыл бұрын
@@StephenNurn Wait are they serious? A pump test prevented the line from being charged because of no water in the tanks?
@kluttchkyle2318
@kluttchkyle2318 4 жыл бұрын
@@colyngersty425 you don't have water gauges in your apparatus?
@TrainsForever
@TrainsForever 2 жыл бұрын
My dad and his partner got blown out of a trailer because of one of these. These guys deserve credit and a lot of respect for doing all this for strangers. Hope nobody was burned
@tonyspigarolo9953
@tonyspigarolo9953 4 жыл бұрын
They were all so distracted flaking the line that nobody recognized it starting to roll over them....
@andrewbazeley6057
@andrewbazeley6057 2 ай бұрын
Lack of training for firefighters is going to get them killed. Common sense should dictate that you shouldn’t enter a fire situation without water. We could debate whether 45mm hose or a hose reel is the right option but if you choose to take 45mm hose in with you, ensure it’s flaked outside the entry point, charged and checked prior to entry. Stay safe guys. Be real heroes and go home to your families after your shift.
@andrewmunro5152
@andrewmunro5152 Ай бұрын
If this department needs any info.. apparently the comment section are seasoned vets that could explain everything to the department 😂😂😂
@justmyopinion7269
@justmyopinion7269 2 жыл бұрын
Guys...........Officers.........senior firefighters.......Take a breath and slow down. Think about what you're doing. Everyone in the comments has beat the uncharged line to death (and rightly so), but that's not what caused the problem on the porch. An open door that fed the starving fire oxygen was the problem. Fire will take the path of least resistance and when it has burnt up the O2 in the fire room it's going to travel towards any new area that's vented, creating a new flowpath. Opening that door and not controlling it brought the flashover to them the first time and then continued to feed it causing the second flash that nearly killed the victim they were supposed to be saving. Force the door and close it until you have all gear on and a charged line ready to go, then make your aggressive interior attack and kick its ass.
@virgilhilts3924
@virgilhilts3924 Жыл бұрын
Youve clearly never worked a fire in your life
@tcanter64
@tcanter64 4 жыл бұрын
A fire fighters training is always ongoing. Part of that is critiquing and giving constructive criticism. Bashing someone’s actions is good for no one. Great job by getting to the scene, being on air on the stairs (Except the last fire fighter) knocking it down and proper overhaul. Now the critique. Recognizing the oncoming flashover was critical but was more than likely brought on by lack of door control, prior to a charged line. For those of us who are a qualified chauffeur, adrenaline is huge factor. I do not know the reason for lack of pressure initially, but sometimes it is a simple task that was overlooked, due to the adrenaline rush. A button not pressed, having the rig not in pump etc. These are just a couple reasons why we train. The last fire fighter on the stairs whose mask was dangling should of been on air prior to going up those stairs. A little bit of a bunching on those stairs not allowing for ample room to back out prior too and during the initial flashover. Im sure this Dept had a lot of these same comments in their own critiquing of this event. I’m just glad everyone went home safe. Great job brothers!!!
@michaelanthony6659
@michaelanthony6659 6 ай бұрын
Don’t forget that not a single one of them had a tool
@tcanter64
@tcanter64 6 ай бұрын
If you see as they retreat down the stairs, approximately 1:13 into it, there is one holding a roof hook.@@michaelanthony6659
@deanb4799
@deanb4799 Ай бұрын
Why the algorithm is sending me to "the worst firefighting in the world" videos is beyond me.
@garyscandle
@garyscandle 4 жыл бұрын
I understand your job but isn't your life more valuable. Lots to be learned right there. God bless 🙏✝️❤️
@exothermic2054
@exothermic2054 2 жыл бұрын
An uncharged line in a fully involved room? WTF are you thinking?
@mikepaz4870
@mikepaz4870 4 жыл бұрын
My goodness gracious. Why cant the Engineer charge the line ? I stopped watching when the FIRE was out and some dummy w a K-12 was ruining a cyclone fence.
@af.7992
@af.7992 3 жыл бұрын
I was just wondering why it was even necessary to destroy the entire front fence after the fire was pretty much put out? Is it not possible to leave some of their property intact once you've already got the situation under control? I know it may not seem like something to care about but the homeowner just suffered massive damage to the house itself and to add insult to injury the majority of their nice fencing is demolished to boot. It didn't seem like an absolute requirement, just done for the firefighters convenience to finish up the job. And it was a shorter fence so lines could have been put over the fence easily enough without removal. Am I wrong? And where do you draw the line at additional damage being done to the property?
@vanessahuman7607
@vanessahuman7607 4 жыл бұрын
Even if I was paid $100 an hour I would not do the job these Hero's do.
@lockheedload
@lockheedload 4 жыл бұрын
the majority of us do it for free!
@benjiereeves4919
@benjiereeves4919 4 жыл бұрын
@@lockheedload with WAY less resources
@peterarvanitis6497
@peterarvanitis6497 4 жыл бұрын
That Detroit on the quint beautiful Lucky they did not lose anyone on that flashover
@peterp1158
@peterp1158 4 жыл бұрын
imagine living next door to a shop that sells ammunition, and a fire breaks out.
@MrGgrumpy10757
@MrGgrumpy10757 4 жыл бұрын
First off, happy none of the firefighters were injured and hopefully a lesson learned about controlling the door and why it is so important. The bigger issue here, was there a CAN report ? where was the OV and why did no one see or know there was a victim on the 2nd floor by the 2/3 corner, everyone was fixated on the fire at the front door. Tunnel vision can be a fatal flaw. All good lessons to learn from and incorporate into your training.
@jackh577
@jackh577 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, five guys at he tip, and no OV.
@dakotawerlitz6565
@dakotawerlitz6565 4 жыл бұрын
Why didn't they charge the line
@janetkiefer8265
@janetkiefer8265 4 жыл бұрын
I wasn't there, so I don't know and not trying to make judgment here...but....did they even know the guy was still inside? It doesn't appear that there was anyone actually trying to rescue a person. It appears more they were only focused on putting out the fire.
@paulhammerich9244
@paulhammerich9244 3 жыл бұрын
Did the engineer know how to charge a hose? Who was the officer on the rig? Poor management of a fire. Great way to roast your whole crew
@albertomadeirajr7824
@albertomadeirajr7824 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't one of the engineer that was pumping the line said that the pressure to the engine was low? Could that be the reason why there was no water right away.
@udizzy1969
@udizzy1969 4 жыл бұрын
Great save Nfd, doing good work. Cheers Dizzy.
@The13April1987
@The13April1987 4 жыл бұрын
Great filming Newsworking!! Thankfully no one got burned or died. That guy did a roll right out of that back window. I didn't know what it was coming out of the window til he hit the ground. It was like a black blob rolling out of the window.
@nuttybeef1222
@nuttybeef1222 3 жыл бұрын
Rumor has it the line still isn’t charged
@joemoore8054
@joemoore8054 4 жыл бұрын
Combat ready...NOT, learn to run the pump and how to stretch a hand line first.... love seeing the chief in jeans and sneakers.
@jeffreinhard5017
@jeffreinhard5017 4 жыл бұрын
You sir are an idiot! Live in his shoes and see how you respond. Chief Knoblach is an excellent first responder. Are you a Chief??
@ritirons2726
@ritirons2726 4 жыл бұрын
There’s no excuse for a Chief not wearing bunker pants.
@fireenginefan111
@fireenginefan111 4 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreinhard5017 Totally disagree! That quite simply looks unprofessional. It certainly would not be accepted here in New Zealand and would be worthy of a roasting. Not surprised that people would make comments on seeing this!
@scottboyd5876
@scottboyd5876 4 жыл бұрын
Are you a firefighter! or one the sit in his couch and judge others. Most fire departments are Volunteer and have to buy their own gear. There are more Volunteer Fire departments than full time Fire departments in both USA and Canada.
@bigd840
@bigd840 4 жыл бұрын
@@scottboyd5876 In Germany you have the same situation. More volunteer than full time departments. And yes, even the volunteers don't have to pay for their personal equipment here. But in most Countrys you are first trained on your personal safty. Tactics may be different. But you can't help others when you become a victim. Stop this heroism. And when your leader doesen't do it right, why should his team do it better? I don't know this person in jeans and it is not about judging his work or experiance. No offense, it's just the wish that every one comes home alive and healthy. You can't rescue the world.
@DeeTraylor
@DeeTraylor 3 жыл бұрын
I get tired of these departments that train for no reason because when they get on Scene they forget anyway smh charge the line first!
@Biffo1262
@Biffo1262 4 жыл бұрын
One minute in and I refuse to watch a second further. Entry made to the upper (fire) floor and the lines haven't even been charged. This is first day on the drill yard training school stuff guys just what are you thinking?
@littlemizredhead
@littlemizredhead 3 жыл бұрын
I'm bothered there was no warning of trapped people... Gosh. That poor man.
@bencunningham6298
@bencunningham6298 4 жыл бұрын
Reported fire with people trapped. First two went in to make a grab without a line which isn't uncommon in many departments. They read the changing conditions inside and got out. If you guys think that's terrible firefighting then idk what the hell you;re being taught. Yea the engine crew did bottleneck the stairwell and no it's also not uncommon to stretch a dry line up an exterior stairwell and then charge it when you get to the top. We trained that way here as well because its a hell of a lot quicker than charging the line, making the damn loops and walking them up the stairs. Yea over 2 minutes to get water flowing isn't the standard but it seems like there was a priming issue
@paser11385
@paser11385 3 жыл бұрын
thank god no serious injuries. i hope this department took this video and picked it apart and learned from it. Stay safe!!
@Swirlydread730
@Swirlydread730 3 ай бұрын
A door should only be open when you have water to defend your self and attack with, it’s literally Fire-Fighting, these boys lost the fight and could’ve lost their lives.
@Chris-sac
@Chris-sac 3 жыл бұрын
For all you arm chairs out there critiquing this video. There is no such thing as always and never in the fire service. Different situations call for different tactics. I agree the way they made entry was messed up and the amount of firefighters stacked in the flow path of the fire was also bad. However, a lot of you are saying never make entry with a dry line or no line. That is wrong . There are times when it is appropriate. VEIS is a prime example of going in without a line and limited staffing with confirmed victims is another. I prefer having a charged line but have pulled searches without one and made a successful rescue of three trapped occupants alone without a line. Please get out of the habit of saying always and never.
@MrScottie68
@MrScottie68 3 жыл бұрын
After the fire appears to be out or at least under well under control, the fire department is still concentrating on causing further property damage by chopping apart the front fence. Absolutely ridiculous.
@skipd9164
@skipd9164 4 жыл бұрын
I remember an incident when I was a service tech for a large gas utility. A fellow tech was installing a meter and everything was complete. Someone working in the kitchen area did something to the pipeline to the stove wich was capped waiting for a replacement in the remodeling. While lighting the heating unit in basement a fire started and first apparatus on scene broke down. The house was almost destroyed this was in the 80s and shit happens
@04u2cY
@04u2cY 4 жыл бұрын
Beginning @ :29 all the warning signs can be seen from the camera man let alone the firefighters at the door wide open with the air walking in like human would you get the perfect condition smoke banking rapidly with the nice orange glow a nozzle men dream by no means I'm judging what they did you can tell these guys wanted to knock down this fire quickly this could be learning experience so it doesn't happen again.
@leightongalleries6057
@leightongalleries6057 4 жыл бұрын
Here is one to think about. Charging the line always seems to take way too long. Why is that? How can that be fixed?
@petergrandahl2386
@petergrandahl2386 Ай бұрын
I could see that was going to happen. They're all jammed up on the stairs and you could see it starting to get ready to flash and none of them moved back down the stairs even when the guy started screaming. He saved himself by jumping into the next room, then jumping out the window. I don't know what it is. People seem to freeze and are unable to react when faced with horror. I don't have that condition but it seems most people do. When a car pulls in front of me I instantly react. Most just plow right into it like they can't see it or something. It's how I have survived driving in the Twin Cities, (road bully capital of the world) for lyft for 5 years and I'm still alive to tell about it.
@Derekva40
@Derekva40 4 жыл бұрын
cmon guys you have to be better than that and they didnt get caught in a flashover- the got caught with no water- that just rolled out the wide open door,
@chucklaw1955
@chucklaw1955 2 жыл бұрын
My helmets off to NHFD, NHPD and EMS for a great job. Excellent video of the fire scene 👍👍👍
@jimmypearce2264
@jimmypearce2264 4 жыл бұрын
How many people can we cram on the ladder and small landing with an uncharged handline...not to mention the warning signs
@UCPD198
@UCPD198 4 жыл бұрын
Going in without a charged hose line is stupid. Gets people injured.
@Karl-Hungus
@Karl-Hungus 4 жыл бұрын
That was an agonizing long time to get a line charged..From what it looked like they were having problems running the pump? It seemed like they were trying to figure out how to run it or train a guy on it at a fire scene.......They are lucky no one was hurt in that flash over. It could have been bad..
@marcuslorensen8306
@marcuslorensen8306 3 жыл бұрын
As I watch these video's, I am always surprise how long it takes the engineers to provide water to screeched lines at a fire scene. I was on a volunteer department, was was taught to have pump primed and ready to charge line as soon as it was ready, and not to charge into buildings with flash-over indicators without a charged line. Yes there was someone trapped inside, but you don't burn 4 or 5 firemen to save 1 from burns. Better training and some common sense is needed for this department, before tragedy strikes!
@eliasthienpont6330
@eliasthienpont6330 4 жыл бұрын
I was surprised at the flashover since I saw that the front room had an open window. I suppose that front door let much more oxygen into the room. I'm not a firefighter, but I did watch a video on how to breach a room. And that many people on the stairway is a no-no. You cannot block the exits just because you want to go in.
@kelly806
@kelly806 4 жыл бұрын
All the comments about a dry line...and not one about the guy who fell out of the 2nd floor window.
@andrewdaley3081
@andrewdaley3081 4 жыл бұрын
Oh him he's always doing that soon as he see a camera man he's straight out the nearest window. Andy England 🇬🇧👍
@simmonsaustin1
@simmonsaustin1 4 жыл бұрын
Who is the guy just standing and blocking the stairwell.....
@OffGridretreat
@OffGridretreat 4 жыл бұрын
I guess no primary was done .
@chrisstew3712
@chrisstew3712 4 жыл бұрын
Yes next time make sure line is charged and good communication with command or pump operator .really poor judgment can cost lives .safety is first important
@cathymolina9139
@cathymolina9139 4 жыл бұрын
When I see these videos I always wonder how did the fire start? They never say.
@Gamer_withothergames
@Gamer_withothergames 2 жыл бұрын
Keep me updated with fire I love these video and the firefighters do a good job keep up the good work
@joefriday1586
@joefriday1586 2 жыл бұрын
First day as a torch boy I was told never to advance a dry line. What's your excuse?
@hankgs
@hankgs 4 жыл бұрын
WTF??? Opening a door in an involved structure without a charged line.... Holy shit! Does the Engineer KNOW there is 500 Gallons of TANK WATER on the rig...?
@karenbartley1664
@karenbartley1664 4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful well kept equipment... And everyone knows there job... Well done Gentleman... God Bless all...
@andrewdaley3081
@andrewdaley3081 4 жыл бұрын
Are you being serious they do not know their job if they did they would have made sure the had water before they stood a that doorway and all the signs were there that that was going to flash as soon as the let oxygen into that fire. Andy England 🇬🇧👍
@af.7992
@af.7992 3 жыл бұрын
Were we watching the same video? That was not a good display of doing the job well, at least not the first half. The folks involved got lucky, including the victim, but there were definitely mistakes that could have cost lives. Training isn't for the fun of it. It's so that actions required during intense moments of high stress become automatic reactions that you don't have to stop and think about when you're in the middle of those life and death situations where the average person is prone to panic and shut down critical thinking skills altogether. Being able to fall back on your training saves lives. I hope no one was seriously injured in this incident.
@bernatdsampson4810
@bernatdsampson4810 3 жыл бұрын
no ems no backboard...any fall greater than your height is critical incident no collar no 02 what the hell
@TheWaynelds
@TheWaynelds 4 ай бұрын
They should’ve just rerouted the MD5 hash to the optical service line relays on the division 2 sector while they waited for affirmative reports of the flow path exchange vectors (FPEV) and the occupants predicted coordinates OPC). Then they could establish relays from the department that hooked them up to the water supply and this whole system failure (as well as the actual fire) would’ve never even happened.
@Coldwarrior7781
@Coldwarrior7781 6 ай бұрын
I know a lot of departments wait to charge the line. Especially when stairs are involved. But that was only one story with a straight staircase, no turns. Not judging but my department would have muscled a ready line up there . A few more seconds to flake is nothing. There were 5 of them at an open door, a clear flow path with an uncharged line and the glow of fire was clearly visible. A charged line would have allowed for some cooling before entry preventing the flashover. At the very least the white helmet could have commanded the door be closed until the line was flaked and charged.
@poodtang2104
@poodtang2104 3 жыл бұрын
Surprised someone didn't break their ankle trying to get around that chain link fence.
@hoopdancer417
@hoopdancer417 Жыл бұрын
That's a lot of crew and equipment for a one floor residential fire.
@FlyingHazmat
@FlyingHazmat 4 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t sound like the truck is in pump gear.
@1291ffemt
@1291ffemt 2 жыл бұрын
That engineer needs to be demoted and retrained. That was horrible and dangerous; in fact a lot of dangerous things were done on this fireground
@virgilhilts3924
@virgilhilts3924 2 жыл бұрын
"That engineer needs to be demoted and retrained" -Why?
@stevebricks
@stevebricks 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus that took a hell of a long time to get water on fire. Ate a whole bag of popcorn.
@ritirons2726
@ritirons2726 4 жыл бұрын
The smoke issuing from a structure gives firefighters an indication of conditions inside the building or “clues” as to what may be developing. The heavy, black, rolling smoke beginning to build pressure was a clear indication that a flashover was imminent. A brief period of roll over preceding the actual flashover, also a telltale sign. The warning signs were present. Members should not be advancing into an area primed for flashover , and certainly not with an uncharged attack line.
@johnharrison7406
@johnharrison7406 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly correct! You nailed it.
@chosenone1004
@chosenone1004 3 жыл бұрын
So I’m curious , why vent the roof of the fire is knocked down ? Do you guys have extension into the attic space ?
@bobfisher7532
@bobfisher7532 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
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