it was a left handed hatch and can only be open by a left handed person by the looks of things the borg was only right handed

I quite like the Borg Queen, but I do have my head canon about her. That she was created as an adaptation to better understand and defeat the federation. It's like an evolution of Locutus. A singular being to focus the hive mind on a single task.

The Borg Queen gets kinky with Data... the safe word is "Spot"

Loving this "First Contact" series.

"Poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone in the next fifty years" ...and in ~300 will be back for some reason.

Suggestion about the tricorders: They were linked to the engineering, and they were trying to use them not for Data, but to attempt to break the lockout.

I think the use of a tricorder is because it's supposed to connected to the computer core. Maybe that provided some advantage we don't know about that borg tech would not. Probably looking too much into this.

I feel like it's a specific choice to show Cochran the Enterprise. The crew think they know he would love to get up onto their ship, and showing it to him, and his impact on the future of space flight, is the motivation they think he needs (their assumptions being he was drunk cause the Phoenix is "dead", not realizing his default state is "modestly lushed". As for the phasers doing damage again, we see the crewman working the buttons on top before he is grabbed by the Borg. I think this is supposed to be establishing security manually remodulating their Phasers. The auto-remodulater failed because the Borg began predicting the pattern, presumably, so changing over to an unsuspected frequency would allow 1 or 2 shots through before they adepted. The overall adaptation time is minimal compared to the remodulation effort (as we saw) and the loss of drones is made up for ten-fold as the crew is captured, so it makes sense the Borg would not see it as an issue to address. Trying to keep shields adapted to all phase variations is probably more energy and process consuming than it needs to be, compared to inflicted damage, so just applying shields to known frequencies and re-upping as new ones come in makes sense at a resource management level.

all Zephram scenes are great and makes the movie less 'stiff'. That and James Cromwell is always excellent. But the queen..ugh..yeah

The window room could simply be an auxiliary maintenance airlock or something similar

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I took the tricorder use in the same way I seen voyager or next gen use older tech because it might be more compatible than with federation tech. or traps have been set against borg scanning

You know, seeing as how we rarely see borg bend over, it might have been more efficient to just cut the hatch open :)

I always thought the queen(s) were essentially locutus-esque "models" spawned/built straight from the collectives spare and best components.

honestly I felt the room, due to its shape, size and location, was used for some sort of latch when the Enterprise docked with a starbase, and they had a force-field in place so that maintenance could be done on it in open mode without the use of a space suit.

14:40 That was main auxiliary access, according to the door labeling, So likely one of the major computer access points. 16:30 I've seen one theory that it was a loading bay or a modular room that simply wasn't in use, hence the force-field window.

Phasers are EXTREMELY variable weapons. The “kill” setting for example encompasses a wide variety from single organ destruction to vaporize. The maximum setting is kill by vaporizing.

Does anyone else here a borg voice slowly saying “good” in thr background during the aaaimilation operation scene? I swear I hear it every time anf it just dials the horror factor up for that whole thing.

I think the point of showing the Enterprise to Cochrane is to show him that they have taken his design for a warp capable ship to a whole other level... because it had never been done before his experiment... that is how you convince him more

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Luv the dig on extra credits history. Lore man, your on point with the inside jokes lately.

the Picard and Lily timestamp is 16:50 instead of 15:50 (also at some point you complain about the borg using the tricorder twice, you must be really passionte about it :))

The Borg were likely using the tricoders as part of their code breaking efforts rather than as sensors. If the the tricorders were continuing to interact with the ship's computer (and judging from the reports given by the bridge immediately after Data locked them out, there's still a LOT of stuff going into and out of the computer), then they're a potential weak spot in the computer's security. They likely aren't using them for scanning purposes but instead feeding information into them in the hopes that the tricorder would upload it to the computer and get a response. Think of it like them telling the tricorder to send something unimportant like the current air temperature (harmless enough right?) to the computer and then seeing what is actually sent to the computer from the tricorder as well as confirmation packets from the compture (the German engima was broken precisely because they always transmitted "weather", once you know part of what's being sent or received it makes breaking an encryption much easier). Georgies cybernetic eyes and tricorder aren't really proof of futureness. I mean I have a phone right now that can do half the functions of a tricorder, a flip phone doing it certainly wouldn't impress me and georgie could just just have naturally good eyesight and some fancy contact lenses, certainly not proof of aliens... However, A massive spacecraft in orbit though, that's a level of commitment to a prank that just isn't believable, especially as something that bright would also be visible to the naked eye too (in much less detail obviously) meaning even if I didn't trust what my own telescope was seeing, i'd at least know it was seeing something up there that wasn't easily explainable. New Zealand: They must've rebuilt it, because i'm sure Janeway picked up Tom Paris from a penal colony on New Zealand...

They're basing the Borg Queen off of Bees and how they have one Queen to keep the focused and in line. So she does make sense. And after the Borg talk in unison all throughout Star Trek, hearing this soothing singular voice is actually more terrifying. I loved the Borg Queen and liked her the best in this movie. The others were not as interesting but served their purpose.

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Love how he reflexively gut checked her hard yet she wasnt stunned at all. An that Borg/Data scene... she seemed to do similar with Janeway like a few decades later...

Riker was MASTERFULLY PLAYED by Frakes in this feature. just perfect. It really captured the essence of Will Riker. And as far as direction he knocked it out of the park with this one. Way to go Jonathan Frakes I hope I can meet you someday. This was amazing and we love you for it

I always thought that scene where Picard and Lily look at Earth was through a storage room and that was an airlock where people can throw garbage out of :P

One of the problems I had with this movie is the scene where they are trying to convince Cochran to do his work flight. Instead of saying why not, I think he should’ve said what the hell. It seems like the response of what the hell would be more in line with his character and personality.

I love it when Worf is like "What is on Deck 11?"... For most of the film I forget that this isn't his ship and he wouldn't really know his way around it.

2:30 borg use a tricorder, and Data’s pips are 2 solid and 1 black, @ 2:49 data’s pips are 3 solids and 2 seconds later it’s back to what it was...

Best Trek movie for me anyway. Rocked my mind as a kid and gave me hope about overcoming impossible odds and being a better person.

I’d like to think that Zefram Cochrane seeing the Enterprise and meeting the crew of the Enterprise-E influenced his later work and possibly the NX-01. Though he was long gone by the time the NX-01 was created, he kept sketches.

I think I've figured out what the room is for, where Picard shows Lily earth. I think it is an access door for when the ship is in spacedock for repairs. It allows repair people to get into the areas they need much more quickly than if they went the long way around.

Perhaps they are trying to interface with the tricorder, because the tricorders are not locked out, but can still communicate with the main computer?

West Australian here, from the angle of those shots I don't think you would see New Zealand. It's a little farther south and offscreen.

I actually love that we meet Cochrane, and he’s nothing like the historical figure people think they know. We should take a lesson from this, after all, how many times of late have we heard the phrase “Gene’s vision”? While he was quoted as having said many great things, he was also said to have been a womaniser, and certainly was a capitalist. By the way, I do think Trek is something special to be treasured. I love that it brings out the best in many, and some of the lessons learned in episodes can be inspiring, if that’s the correct word. I’m also aware Roddenberry made a great show to earn money, not to “give something back.”

12:04 LMAO i love the Cinemasins reference!

God damn do i love these breakdowns

as for the tricorder, i figured it was them checking the deviations between their own sensors and the tricorder. in order to try and correct for the imperfections of the primitive technology. i think of it like a technician who has never used an analog multi-meter having to figure out how to reverse engineer a device made using a that same type of analog multi-meter. there are some tricks one who is good with an analog multi-meter that you can't do with the more advanced digital ones, but the digital ones tend to be more accurate and easier to read.

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How about a video that compares the differences in appearances and tech of the Excelsior and the Enterprise B?

It is well know the New Zealand is the hardest to animate.

ok... if the borg went back in time, would it just create a new time line with the borg sphere just disappearing?

I'm trying to figure out, how do you get a name like zephram? It sounds like a medical procedure. The Borg with the tricorder was probably watching an Orion slave girl webcast, and needed to buy more credits to finish watching the show. 🤔

Even though i know its not, I always get a kick out of imagining that room at the end is actually one of the torpedo bays. Don't know why I find the idea so funny.

Agree the window room is not worth nitpicking about. But I do think the fact that they rely on force fields is. Why no transparent aluminum or something better by that point?

I always thought they were extracting data from the tricorders, not using them. Either way it makes little sense when nanites can do the same thing. As for the tech stuff, for all Cochrane knows there are other factions that have that technology. It's not impossible, hell the phaser was around later in Cochrane's life.

Call me crazy I don’t mind the queen. Maybe the borg assimilating so many humans changed them into craving some type of individuality. They did turn Picard into locutus. Maybe the borg realized that semi individualistic leaders ruling over many borg drones is a better system or its a flaw that was adopted by assimilating so many federation members. Remember Picard said “my culture is based on individual liberty” what kind of change to the collective would happen if that ideal started to take root in the collective?

On the episode where Worf's son, Alex, comes on they are using a new FTL technology. Geordi mentions to Data and Worf - who don't really care - about being there the first time it is used. He likens it to be with Yeager as he breaks the sound barrier or Cochrane when he breaks the light barrier. Little did he know he would be there when Cochrane when he breaks the light barrier. Unrelated to this but on that episode, luckily Alex does disobey his father, Worf, to rescues the endangered animals when that area is damaged with radiation to save them. Did you see that video about all Earth maps being wrong? He shows a map of the Earth where we don't notice NZ is even missing until he tells us. New Zealand, the forgotten islands.

I cant help but feel that ad? (for patron) was a reference to something.

I don't think you hate this movie, quite the contrary actually... I think you love it! You love it so much that you have watched it SO many times that these flaws, errors and inconsistencies stand out and are more noticeable to you. Keep trek'in bro!

The reason why the Borg using tricorders is consistent with their other behavior is sufficiency. They only sent on cube on this mission because one was sufficient. They did just enough to destroy the camp rather than destroy Montana, because it was sufficient. They go to deck 11 and stop because it's sufficient. So, maybe they're just not spending energy building a better borg scanner (whether the form of that scanner is a cybernetic appendage), because the working tricorder is good enough to tell them what they want to know.

I thought the room was like a secondary docking port. I know you could just as easily beam over people and supplies. But that could explain the existence of this room.

Thinking back to Stargate SG-1 and why the Asgard recruited SG-1 to help with the replicator threat, someone on board should have thought to go to the Captain's Yacht, severed the computer linkup to the Enterprise, and started replicating some 21st century military tech. I'm pretty sure the strategic use of M67 fragmentation grenades, shotguns, smoke bombs, C-4 charges, and 40mm grenade launchers with sticky grenades could have been useful. Imagine at 14:36 being part of the security team seeing all those Borg advancing on you. A smoke grenade is tossed in along followed by a couple fragmentation grenades before the security team backs out and the doors close, then BOOM.

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I always thought of the Borg as the remnants of an ancient weapon designed for an ancient war. What better way to defeat an enemy than to turn his own forces against him? The Queen is either Weapon zero, or the embodiment of a computer program that began it all. You would want a central figure or hub at the center of the Collective. To quite literally bring "order to chaos". Billions of drones just chatting back and forth would be insanely chaotic. The queen is the order to the chaos...

The only thing I would about the Chochrane scene with the telescope; I can only think the Chochrane would assume all the equipment is either fake or just classified military kit, the missile complex seems to have no military presence after all. In that scenario what is more likely; their story being true or them being some sort of high-tech military spies are special forces? But them being able to find the Enterprise with his own telescope, something he knows intimately and understands probably would cause him to start to change his opinion.

It's like... you guys are on some kind of... STAR WAR with cybernetic beings

I like the queen - imo she organised the drones and was useful to negotiate with the few who were able to resist assimilation

Well I hope next time quantum torpedo research you asked for will get implemented.

3:38 - 4:24 kinda repeating there. 16:10 - as a Kiwi, it bugs me that NZ is missing. Especially since it's referenced many times in the shows. 16:36 - even when I saw this in the cinema I noticed that when Lily presses the phaser into Picard's hand, it fires. (red light gets switched on). He dead. He dust.

The Borg adding the Queen is like adding a weakness. “We are the Borg, we are really really OP, we will add a Queen to nerf us into the ground, resistance is totally achievable”

I prefer to think that the Borg are constantly in a state of change from assimilating new cultures. The Queen didn't exist before, but now does and the Borg retroactively adjust their memories, even in Picard's.

I just always thought they were examining Datas tricorder.

lol In all the times I've seen this movie, never noticed the Borg using Federation Tricorters

rather than introducing the Borg Queen, they could have introduced a secondary main antagonist that's separate from the Borg, that provided the time-travel tech and was using them for their own insidious agenda the Borg and this new (or old) enemy have some sort of understanding that for now prevents from turning on each other, though at some point they, intend to double-cross each other, either way, the Enterprise must defeat both threats or lose everything

Oh, off of it they needed to use a method that he was familiar with that he can verify they literally have a line it's your telescope since he examines that he knows it hasn't been tampered with the reckley and he's familiar with how he uses in Winters images. Anything else could be a gimmick. This will be something familiar in a tune with stuff that he knows giving him results that he could process during bet that he can rely on. Incidentally this is probably why the Borg are using the tricorders. They want to have more adeptly interface with the nuances of federation technology. It makes perfect sense to use what's available in a way that interfaces with the technology that they are still integrating and understanding without necessarily erasing it. Also the Borg doing something that isn't super duper efficient but being assigned one task and not sparing any creativity aside from what they already make themselves ready for it's pretty classic Borg

The movie lost me when First Contact involved Zephram Cochrane of Alpha Centauri doing his Warp Experiment of Earth. Wait, if there is no New Zealand, then where was Tom Paris when Janeway recruited him? Also Picard tells Lily the ship has 24 decks. Then Hawke reports the Borg hold Deck 11 to 26. Despite all the attempts to reconcile this in universe, I suspect that Hawke's line came from a script that was written before the E was designed, and since the D had 42 decks (more than twice that of the A), it was assumed the new model would be at least as big as the old one. While Picard's line was written/rewritten after the final model was decided on.

@0:55 "I am not a member of the Eastern Coalition" I love that every time ! In real world events I would say we are on schedule for the predicted World War 3 in the mid 21st century. 😑

Dr. Bashire's dad is in a New Zealand prison.

i always just assumed that the federation put in place methods to prevent borg tech from interfacing with federation technology or at least the computer directly and that's why they were using tricorders. it would have been nice if that had been the case but later in voyager that gets thrown out the window. As to your disbelief about zephram not convinced by geordi's eyes. we do have weird contacts made specifically for cosplay and just to look like cats and such wouldn't be a stretch for that to be the case in star trek universe and for zephram to know about them. plus i'm sure they don't want him examining the tech from the tricorder. i remember an episode where they had a time traveler come from the past come and steal stuff from the future just so he could claim he invented it. so you know maybe they were actually employing some canon in the movie and showing tech that doesn't seem physically possible could have unforseen change's who else might see it and what would they do to have such tech.

When you here borg queen it removes the otherness to borg, but when you hear it gives human personality and if you can show the borg logic and morality is equal to any other. It gives them a powerful presence and if later the borg when don’t talk when asked to it gives them a sense of unsettling divune power. The mistake was the body.

Hmm. I’d always assumed the room with the huge window was a cargo or shuttle bay, and that they just didn’t feel the need to establish it as so. Maybe I’m wrong.

they were looking if there is some encryption key in the tricorders that unlocks the computer, because thart#s what humans usually do

So how many hours did the movie cover? at the latest, the hive was destroyed at 11:20 AM MDT on the 5th. The Borg bombarded the site during the night and they said "tomorrow morning" when referring to the launch, though colloquially the day starts at dawn, rather than at midnight. So the timeline of the Borg takeover of the ship was anything between 8 and 14 hours, I think?

You also forgot Deana sp? Is telepathic maybe guessing what he is thinking would convince him too

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Does anyone remember how Tom Paris was recruited by janeway from a federation penal colony In NEW ZEALAND

Cut out cochranes answer at the end of the scene and it adds a bit more tension that I think the ground scenes needed for a littlebit.

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16:01 Oh, so that's why it didn't work out in Gundam. The Zeke's dropped the colony on Australia and not New Zealand. It all makes sense now.

Zephrams hat's pretty awesome by todays fashion.

The reason they had the Borg Queen was the same reason they assimilated Picard. We have decided a single voice will speak for us. They lost Picard so the Borg Queen was created.

Exposition is a bunch. It's normally clunky and brings most movies to a dead stop. I think this was an excellent example of exposition done well. They're putting out tons of information but it doesn't feel like a Wikipedia page...Looking at you, Matrix movies!

It struck me as odd that the borg couldn't, for instance, simply march up to the photon torpedo launcher or a phaser array, plug in, (thereby bypassing the ship's computer), and simply input commands directly...

I think the phaser was set to vaporise. Also I think New Zealand is slightly lower out of shot

Could the tricorder have only been a shell? They replaced the internals?

Hyperskepticism is a shield for many, Lore, so I’m not sure its entirely unbelievable though I share your general incredulity.

I keep imagining how disappointed Tasha would be over Data's "rebound" choice.

The Tricorder looks like a toy to use. lol

The idea of of a Borg Queen could have worked if SHE was depicted as a hodgepodge collection of biological parts put together as the entire Borg instead of just some species that was assimilated.

I think the ship is more convincing because it clearly has two warp nacelles just like his Pheonix.

The queen seems just a higher step up to locutus. Didn’t mind her just wish they hadn’t really messed up the borg in voyager. That’s where the issues came I think. I could be wrong but 🤷‍♂️

It’s not inconceivable for a phaser to reset to low stun if dropped. Much like modern hand guns with trigger safeties, to prevent accidental discharge from falling... It’s a stretch but hey Star Trek is about nit picking let’s be real.

HEY #lorereloaded if you were givin creative control over first contact, would you include the full DS9 cast in this movie?

If the borg replace entire hands with tools, then they might have a difficult time opening certain types of hatches that might require 2 hands to open. Some hatches could be "Auto-Locking". Also lack of depth perception has to be quite cumbersome when you replace one eye with a different sensor. Why couldn't they mount the 3rd sensor on the fore head like a 3rd eye and use tech to overlay the sensor information like AR vision over the minds image? Also why leave the organic eyeball open to regular environmental air? Why not put on Borg Protective Goggles to shield the eyes? As far as the Tricorder, maybe Borg are using it as a method to try to hack into StarFleet computer systems? When you're cut off from the larger collective, the total some of knowledge available to your local collective is limited to what all the individuals remember. They might not have access to the total sum knowledge of the Borg, so they got to make do with what they have. Ergo hacking the Tricorder might be the most effective method given limited resources available.

Picard's phaser is on kill the entire time.

You really like pointing out the step sounds and lack of step sounds, don't you