Celtics legend Bob Cousy fires back at JJ Redick for 'firemen & plumbers' dig

Celtics legend Bob Cousy fires back at JJ Redick for 'firemen & plumbers' dig | FIRST THINGS FIRST

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Last month on ESPN, JJ Redick compared the opponents Celtics Legend Bob Cousy to 'plumbers and firemen', a commentary on why the NBA in the 50's and 60's was not as challenging as it is today. Cousy recently shared his thoughts on Redick's take, responding "People with less talent will always try to make a name for themselves by criticizing other people..." Nick Wright shares his thoughts on which of these takes is the right one, and Chris Broussard and Kevin Wildes respond.
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Celtics legend Bob Cousy fires back at JJ Redick for 'firemen & plumbers' dig | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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@FirstThingsFirst 2 жыл бұрын

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@jameslittle2137 2 жыл бұрын

Hundreds of high schoolers have not run the mile sub 4min. Would be surprised if it was 25-30 in history. And Jessie would have qualified for the long jump. His pb was a world record from 1936 and stood till 1960 I’m sure. 8m 13cm / 26 feet 8 gets you in to most World and Olympic finals even now. Understand the points Luca’s father was making but the examples were not that accurate. RIP J. Owens.

@joshnic6639 2 жыл бұрын

Kyrie Irving would get called for carrying the ball and they would consider him a hot dogger (a show off basically) and he’d probably get ran out of the league.

@lastnamefirst637 2 жыл бұрын

Cousy had the greatest comeback ever 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@monsutaman1 2 жыл бұрын

JJ was not exactly a good, let alone great player so..... Also, you hater Nick, but Doug has had my white supremacy sensing tingling for years.... ....So I am with you on that one.

@arcdestriumph586 Жыл бұрын

Can't we all agree .. that JJ Redick is a Punk? Has anyone ever accused JJ of Founding a Sports League? . And putting together a successful business package that allowed the League to stay in business.. and grow? JJ needs an axx whoopin ... it's pretty clear.

@quintonmg 2 жыл бұрын

“Yes I do think Beethoven can make a drill beat. And I think it would be pretty good.” 😂😂😂 Wildes makes this show so good

@ziibenjii2352 2 жыл бұрын

Dawg I died when he said that😭😭

@mauricecalhoun5608 2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂...

@vidalrodriguez2001 2 жыл бұрын

Beethoven would continue being a gift to mankind if he were still alive creating music, safe to say so far his music has aged well and is enjoyed by millions still today, performed by countless instrumental ensembles every year, so yeah that would be cool haha

@judegoodman918 2 жыл бұрын

My word this show has come light years from the times of Cris Carter and Brandon Marshall. The chemistry of the current hosts is superb! Great to watch

@alcidemathieson310 2 жыл бұрын

Had to do a double take on that to make sure i heard him correctly

@jehushaphat 2 жыл бұрын

Broussard hit it on the nail. You don't compare players across eras on performances alone...you HAVE to give them the benefits of all the advantages of today's players, and that can be a very difficult and often subjective thing to do.

@hamedhinston3730 2 жыл бұрын

Then why have a goat when you think about it

@cogginbenton 2 жыл бұрын

no you don’t have to give them advantages. give players today the advantages that players back then had, which was playing against cans, little to no media pressure, defense was different so players who take threes would be taking wide open shots.

@jehushaphat 2 жыл бұрын

@@hamedhinston3730 To give people something meaningless to argue about.

@jehushaphat 2 жыл бұрын

@@cogginbenton That's a good point. To truly compare these guys you really have to exchange a series of disadvantages and advantages. Hence, it's very difficult to compare across eras.

@ak15567 2 жыл бұрын

So at which point do you acknowledge Bob Cousy scoring 18 points with 37% FG were guarded by at best, D3 athletes but on average high school players? Isn't that a wash? You have better defenders today than you did in the 60s.

@waynetables6414 2 жыл бұрын

“Bob Cousy fires back” made me laugh out loud for some reason. Love that he’s throwing himself in the mix lol

@Fearseblack 2 жыл бұрын

Lmao I had the same reaction

@javinc1 2 жыл бұрын

dude is 93 lmao

@jordanbettencourt9621 2 жыл бұрын

He’s 95 😂

@georgepoly4842 2 жыл бұрын

a lot of people found out he's still alive lmao

@MacNif 2 жыл бұрын

Cousy could join the Lakers right now and make an impact

@obarbeito 2 жыл бұрын

Bob Cousy was making behind the back, and no look passes 70 years ago. Respect the players that made the league, thanks to them the NBA exists.

@ssk58607 2 жыл бұрын

Sure but 11 year olds now have better ball handling skills than a lot of them 70 years ago lol

@lordaguilar214 2 жыл бұрын

Bird and Magic are given that respect for saving the league

@TheNyion912 2 жыл бұрын

Dude had one good year

@nathancardenas2719 2 жыл бұрын

Sure but the only reason why jj said this was because cp3 was being disrespected by mad dog. So that respect has to go both ways

@theclassicmanila-style8435 2 жыл бұрын

@@ssk58607 but he was doing the no look passes and ball fakes before everyone was doing it. Kids today of course have all the resources from 70+ years that the game has been played so it's only common sense. Don't make it sound like those kids just came out of nowhere and started doing sht.

@brianshorey 2 жыл бұрын

Judging somebody who played 70 years ago, who had diet, equipment, training, and technology of that era to somebody today is not a fair comparison. CB is entirely correct here. Give Jesse Owens the same level of diet, conditioning, training, equipment, etc as a modern runner and see how fast he would be. Certainly faster than his times of his era.

@jermainetraylor842 2 жыл бұрын

It's mostly equipment he was running on synders it's a Ted talk about how the human athlete has not changed but equipment has. I mean just look at certain distance shoes are outlawed in comption

@TrollinOn22s 2 жыл бұрын

You forgot steroids and other ways to cheat 🙄

@keemooo243 2 жыл бұрын

We not disrespecting that older error but when these old heads have guys like cousey on your top 5 or 8 is just sinful he’s an all time great tho but be real

@joabjohnstone5217 2 жыл бұрын

Well yeah but the player pool was also much smaller and its not just 70 years ago 90s till today there has been vast improvements

@DeadGivaway 2 жыл бұрын

I thought that was logical.. That's how comparisons work

@pureagape 2 жыл бұрын

I’m with Chris B on this one. The greats are great because of something inside them, not outside them. They outwork others and they just figure it out and rise to the occasion. The greats would rise to the occasion in todays games.

@moediakite895 2 жыл бұрын

well said

@LegacyFlash15 2 жыл бұрын

No they wouldn’t. Their athleticism isn’t even half of what it is todays. He wouldn’t even make a team.

@walkingbucket4933 2 жыл бұрын

They wouldn't. They just weren't very good. Plain and simple.

@chaidoulai6420 2 жыл бұрын

@@walkingbucket4933 did you even comprehend what he was saying he talked about the mindset of a all time great. That’s what separates a good player from a great one

@chaidoulai6420 2 жыл бұрын

@@LegacyFlash15 give them the same access of training, coaches, nutrition and knowledge and they would be great

@theCHILLIntrovert 2 жыл бұрын

Bruh, I didn't even know he was still alive 😂 blessed indeed. Not even mad at him defending his era the way he did.

@Laidback_616 2 жыл бұрын

Same.

@Chessbox09 2 жыл бұрын

Me too😄

@John-ct9zs 18 күн бұрын

Imagine you're 95 years old and you hear a bunch of "kids" talking mess about you and your peeps during your era. Of course Bob Cousy has every right to defend himself and his era.

@drewmeyer9679 2 жыл бұрын

Bob Cousy was a 13x allstar 10x all nba first team and an NBA MVP. It’s not his fault he was born in the year he was. It’s not his fault NBA was the way it was.

@chasingfelix3609 2 жыл бұрын

Also…people got to learn from moves he did and his game and the games of everyone that came before them

@mactheman3810 2 жыл бұрын

At the same time when you don't play against the best how can you be considered the best It was a lot of great black players who never got a chance to play in certain years of basketball football and baseball to me those years shouldn't count

@mushroomheaification 2 жыл бұрын

Another thing that people forget when they make fun of videos of Bob Cousy dribbling the ball is that that was how the game was called back in the day. You couldn't handle the ball like AI did or like how Kyrie does now because it'll be called a carry. The game has changed drastically just from an officiating standpoint let alone the natural evolution of the professional athlete

@chasingfelix3609 2 жыл бұрын

@@mactheman3810 they don’t control who they play

@dawsonmayes4898 2 жыл бұрын

@@mactheman3810 except that he did play with and against some of the greatest black players ever

@Dyggzmuzic 2 жыл бұрын

“Beethoven could make a Drill Beat” one of the best sports takes EVER!!🔥🔥😂😂 Wildes Top 5 in the Game … This show kills all other sports Bravo Bravo Jenna and Gentlemen 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

@markwootson5550 2 жыл бұрын

wildes might be one of the best on tv.

@atlien1988 2 жыл бұрын

Hey that was indeed hilarious 😂🤣🤣

@wesleycuban8649 2 жыл бұрын

No cap that beat would probably be 🔥 😭😭😭

@techoperatives2232 2 жыл бұрын

Wildes is bad

@OGSVN 2 жыл бұрын

the difference is that beethoven could play instruments, while most drill producers can’t. what beethoven does organically is much harder than what current producers do on a computer. over time, easier methods were developed in making music. the comparison doesn’t stand bc cousy couldn’t dribble with his left hand lmao. if you dropped beethoven, einstein, galileo, etc in todays time, they would still be geniuses in their field bc technology would make what they do easier. cousy would be a novice in his field.

@lornegreen6755 2 жыл бұрын

“Beethevon could make a drill beat”-Wildes

@The-ts9yv 2 жыл бұрын

If you think about it, if you dropped Kyrie in the 1960’s, he get called for traveling for every dribble

@stuartperry8141 2 жыл бұрын

you get it, the problem with people like Nick is that you cannot be a great analyst understanding the obvious.

@dadillonful 2 жыл бұрын

He would average 60, and bob cousey would play in the ymca at best

@marcosalexandre4044 2 жыл бұрын

@@dadillonful the guy have 100 ways to get his body in shape and play in a high level and still a injury prone imagine him without this he would average 60 in 20 games per season

@deucemacsw 2 жыл бұрын

How is Kyrie great without the blueprint from A.I. who had the blueprint from Tim hardaway who had the blueprint of Zeke who had the blueprint from Tiny Archibald who got the blueprint from.....ah u get the point I appreciate each era cant hv one without the other

@BaDHabitS4 2 жыл бұрын

nah he would be in a mental Institution because of his flat Earth comments 😂😂😂😂😂

@silenciothequiet3471 2 жыл бұрын

CB is right on the money: If the old guard had the same support system as today's players, they will be just fine.

@williamdillard5060 2 жыл бұрын

Yep

@mattmmixes 2 жыл бұрын

Just fine yeah but not as good as they were in the 50s and 60s. Like Jerry West would still be an all star fringe superstar but he’s not averaging 40 in the finals.

@jDiddyi 2 жыл бұрын

@@mattmmixes maybe he gets the conditioning to win multiple titles

@jDiddyi 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Even players as recent as shaq could've benefitted from modern regiments

@SuperKillasin 2 жыл бұрын

Well who is really benefiting from todays support system because everytime I look up a superstar is either injured and sitting out the whole season or load managing.

@johnanimex.1334 2 жыл бұрын

Those Plumbers and Firefighters were the ones who stood up and fought for the right of players.JJ forgot that those guys were the reasons he earned million dollars playing basketball.

@dennistyler9852 Жыл бұрын

JJ is a clown in any era…

@williamdillard5060 2 жыл бұрын

I fully agree with Chris Broussard. Give those old guys the same amenities that around today and they'd be just as good if not better.

@scutifr 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, you have to take people in the context of their era

@micahkiyimba8641 2 жыл бұрын

Imagine Wilt Chamberlain with Modern science and nutrition.

@christopherliu3981 2 жыл бұрын

Pool of ppl who play basketball today is prob 20x more than back in the day. With bigger selection pool and evolution, today’s average player would still be significantly better than players in the 50s even with the same training and nutrition

@serialsbabydaddy8787 2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherliu3981 facts

@bourgoziejones6108 2 жыл бұрын

No.

@andrewgoodhand7803 2 жыл бұрын

Beethoven making a drill beat was the take of the video ☠️💯

@MrStyn-ud3bj 2 жыл бұрын

First time I really agree with Nick Wright! Different eras of basketball shouldn't be compared and just be recognized as the great players they were and are.

@rainoffire24 2 жыл бұрын

I'll take Broussard. Don't disrespect the greats of the game and just assume they couldn't play in todays era. They don't have a lot of the benefits that allow todays athletes to thrive.

@Chessbox09 2 жыл бұрын

@@rainoffire24 He’s absolutely right. Great players adapt, that’s why they are all time greats.

@xcwilliams7980 2 жыл бұрын

@@rainoffire24 you just made Nick's point.

@phlbnr 2 жыл бұрын

@@xcwilliams7980 no he just made Broussard's

@gamblertoguru382 2 жыл бұрын

@@rainoffire24 yeah I agreed with Nick until I thought about what Brousard said. I do think todays superstars would still be more dominant if you put them back in older eras obviously. But he's right about completely dismissing older guys as if they never could have played in this era. When its true they would have trained different,trained more,better sports medicine for injuries etc. And they don't have the benefit of watching people before them. So I guess I basically agree with both of them lol. Don't compare eras like Nick said,but don't be dismissive like Nick and JJ.

@SheevsNuts 2 жыл бұрын

Even the 2000s was different from today. More possessions, higher rate of scoring, 8 more 3pt shots a game 10-12 more points a game

@charleslipscomb2750 2 жыл бұрын

🤔. Questionable. I think the issue of desegregation plays a factor in how we determine the all time greats. How do you consider yourself a great when there are rules to limit access to the league? Deny me the privilege of being considered an all time great, but don’t deny me the opportunity to play at all.

@yvstla6763 2 жыл бұрын

The higher rate of scoring is about the 3 pointers…it’s not about more possessions. There were more possessions per game in half the 90’s than today…they score more because they take more 3’s and the average 3% is above 33% which makes it a more profitable shot that 2’s now

@ryedye335 2 жыл бұрын

it looks the same tho, 50’s 60’s looks like toddles running around

@newrecruit100 2 жыл бұрын

@@yvstla6763 yeah not true. Look at league wide pace which literally shows there are way more Possessions today than in 90s.

@berniekerns4281 2 жыл бұрын

@@charleslipscomb2750 ...always someone who needs everything to be about race ...

@brandonadkisson9249 2 жыл бұрын

I love Chris Broussard man. He always gives a good quality, non biased take.

@_theperfectvibe 2 жыл бұрын

Lol yea no, but that’s my boy

@haissem8 2 жыл бұрын

@@_theperfectvibe 24-0

@musicforheadphones2731 7 ай бұрын

Not this time. Cousy with all modern tech still ain’t making a college team

@gfuah1499 5 ай бұрын

@@musicforheadphones2731with all the modern training and tech, he will be Nash and Kidd rolled into one.

@swpdisciple 2 жыл бұрын

Wildes with the Beethoven drill beat reference 🙌🏾

@robertsaul234 2 жыл бұрын

Generations build upon previous generations. It's always an ongoing evolutionary process. Unfair to compare eras. JJ also said he thought Abbey Road was a terrible album.

@mattschurenko3032 2 жыл бұрын

Did he really say that about Abbey Road?

@cyrillesu 2 жыл бұрын

@@mattschurenko3032 yes, unfortunately, and that's the thing with him. He is such a surface level thinker. He does not have or is not willing to have depth to his thought process. He just takes what's given to him without any context and formulates his opinions based around just that.

@mattschurenko3032 2 жыл бұрын

@@cyrillesu I wonder if he even knows how to listen to music?

@cyrillesu 2 жыл бұрын

@@mattschurenko3032 he's the type of guy to say that metal is just a bunch of dudes loudly playing their instruments.

@richardgutierrez26 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah im not of fan of JJ he seems like a know it all, maybe its because he went to Duke so he feels entitled or something, idk but i definitely dont like his takes

@cookingupnothing7657 2 жыл бұрын

People telling Bob Cousy he played against 'firemen & plumbers' will be the same old men crying in 30 years when the next generation accuses LeBron of playing against 'Twitch streamers & Uber drivers'.

@3verdades832 2 жыл бұрын

You’re definitely 100% right

@D-money813 2 жыл бұрын

Wrong wrong and wrong

@D-money813 2 жыл бұрын

Hold up, I forgot. WRONG

@crini413 2 жыл бұрын

dude this take is hot trash. Players in the 50s had full time jobs as fireman or whatever because the NBA didn't pay a living wage. They played it as a hobby. NBA players these days are not uber drivers. What does this even mean?

@Zach-hm6ky 2 жыл бұрын

You high already?!

@jameswadlow549 2 жыл бұрын

Broussard is right on the money here. Broke it very nicely.

@jben11 2 жыл бұрын

Broussard hit the nail on the head. You have to consider the money, technology, and manpower that is at the disposal of the NBA right now. For me, if those NBA players of old put in the same amount of effort into taking care of their body and improving their skills as players today, with those benefits at their disposal, I'm pretty sure they'd be just as great.

@kenaut7075 2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget those old NBA players wore flat low cut Basketball shoes. Imagine Wilt Chamberlain wears Nike Shoes, that guy would run faster and jump higher.

@admusic247 2 жыл бұрын

But some of them didn’t because they literally had to work two jobs. That’s the point man. I do agree w Broussard. But the point is back then those players could have been better if they got paid properly and could focus 100% on their craft.

@aepr84 2 жыл бұрын

@@admusic247 the crazy thing is a few of these overpaid, overrated prima donnas have every technical advantage to help them improved their games, shooting coaches, analysis and the still can't shoot like Ben Simmons

@admusic247 2 жыл бұрын

@@aepr84 Lmfaoo as a sixers fan I will always respect a ben Simmons burn 😂😂😂

@MR.__G 2 жыл бұрын

At the same time so many players in the league today have all these benefits you mentioned & don’t turn out to be great.

@tobyk756 2 жыл бұрын

This was a great segment. We all as regular people hear people say "Sports media is so dumb, can you believe what x sports personality said!" This was very fair and accurate. I'd argue this was very objective as well. Great job, everyone!

@briantneary2248 2 жыл бұрын

All respect to the Houdini Of The Hardwood, Mr. Bob Cousy. Celtics in 6

@marcrichardson517 2 жыл бұрын

Chris breaks it down…EASY…🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 Love their takes…love this show…✊🏾

@PrettyboyPa 2 жыл бұрын

I don't get why it's so hard for people to understand. If you put dominant stars today in those eras with their nutrition, no videos of how to play, no coaches and trainers that they have today, no scouting and and practicing, and just introduce a sport that hasn't been played before it would look just like how it did back in the days. Just respect what was done, and how the game developed because of the great players of the past that has revolutionized the game to what it is today. You can't just discredit them because they looked stiff back in the days cause there were no coaches, videos, and drills to learn from back in the days. Jj was wrong for calling mad dog an idiot... you can disagree with what his opinion is but can't call people idiots just because you have a different view on things.

@fairtreatment2618 2 жыл бұрын

Players today are very soft, don’t play injured and don’t play defense. Most of the game today is everyone is friends. There are a ton of players today that would badly struggle in the 80s because the game was a lot rougher abs injuries weren’t a reason not to play. Today players are pampered

@PrettyboyPa 2 жыл бұрын

@@fairtreatment2618 you can always say it the other way around, the reason they're so soft is because the game evolved to how it is today. If the guys back in the 80s played today they would adapt to the rule changes and calls and play like how the game is played today. Can't just pick and choose someone and drop them off in an Era and say if he's gonna be good or not.

@whitebelt2905 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been saying the same thing. Athletes in all eras evolved because what was available to them. Human being’s didn’t genetically evolve. That takes millions of years

@GurtonBuster07 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah yo it’s actually disrespectful how people be talking about the past players. If it wasn’t for them, none of this would be here.

@PrettyboyPa 2 жыл бұрын

@@GurtonBuster07 yep exactly, players howdays just have alot more going for them.

@theclassicmanila-style8435 2 жыл бұрын

They were still the man amongst men, respect to all eras, they are part of the evolution of the sport. They were the stars of their time and separated themselves to the rest and people just need to appreciate. It's like comparing old technology to new, it's no different from comparing a ps1 game to a ps5 but you learn to appreciate those ps1 game since that's what they have at that time. Watch them and see how the game evolved, bill russell and wilt, cousy with his no look passes, jerry west with his pull up jumpers and fadeaway.

@willyb8840 2 жыл бұрын

Being an Oregonian I appreciate the recognition, shouting out both our D1 teams🤘🏽

@keithgardner4505 2 жыл бұрын

The game has changed mostly because they don't call fouls and violations the same way they used to. Kyrie Irving would be called for traveling and/or palming the basketball on every possession if he played in that earlier era. I think most of the great players would be great in any generation after they had a chance to adjust the way the game is played.

@glennkelley9331 Жыл бұрын

Finally someone states the obvious difference. Dribbling/traveling today is a different game.

@forestgump8357 Жыл бұрын

Yep. 100% they would.

@OsoChattin 2 жыл бұрын

Wildes is the Goat for that “Beethoven could make a drill beat” line

@trollkenobi6727 2 жыл бұрын

Bach played a guitar actually once

@kattmeating8315 2 жыл бұрын

That Beethoven line was fire 😂

@ShutThePuck 2 жыл бұрын

There's definitely reason to analyse the game and players differently between era's when major rule changes occur like the introduction of the 3pt line, 'illegal defense', etc. It sometimes takes decades for players and coaches to adjust to those kinds of changes. But you can only ever judge players based on what they accomplished in their own era, it's not fair to grade others on a curve, that's what people like Nick do in order to play favourites and omit an entire generation of players he doesn't want to debate. Keep doing that and eventually even the 2000s and 2010s will be dismissed entirely by kids born in 2050 who have no connection to Kobe, LeBron, Steph, KD, Duncan, etc. It only takes a bit more time to watch film to understand why Bill Russell was so dominant beyond "He played with tons of hall of famers, against plumbers, dentists, and firemen, so his 11x rings don't count". Like Chris said, in order to even do these thought experiments you'd have to do it as if you took a baby version of LeBron and put him in the 30s or 40s with how different life was back then not just for athletes in a minor sport but also just being black in those times, riding commercial, riding coaches, wearing a single pair of Chuck Taylors for the entire season, no nutritionist, coaches, health professionals, trainers etc on hand, no film to study of decades of past legends. Then you need to throw a baby Wilt into the 80s and have him grow up with everything available to modern players today. Only then you can have a conversation if you want to have one, and it'll be still something nobody can prove. Just respect greats from every era and judge them for what they did in their era. No excuses.

@jordanjenkins1671 2 жыл бұрын

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@Playboyy1985 2 жыл бұрын

Well said. Impressive. By some of these dudes’ logic I am smarter than Isaac Newton because I know what gravity is. Spider-Man 6 is a better movie than Casablanca because it’s not in black and white

@thehollowedtree9586 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with everything you said EXCEPT the Nick part. Smh. "What people like Nick want to do". Mate, did you even listen to his take? He literally just said the exact same thing as you. That eras are different and you can only judge athletes by their own era's standard and realities. Some of you guys just want to throw shots at Nick no matter what he says lol Even if he literally is saying the same thing as you you'll still find a problem

@melanatedgod5337 2 жыл бұрын

I actually read all of what you wrote and I completely agree with you.

@Playboyy1985 2 жыл бұрын

@@thehollowedtree9586 Nick literally just said that Bob Cousy wouldn’t make the Oregon state roster. He also has dismissed the 80’s because not enough players could dunk.

@jackjackson811 2 жыл бұрын

There's a video that explains that Jesse Owens was actually only slightly off Usain Bolt when taking into account the lack of blocks, dirt, etc.

@jameslittle2137 2 жыл бұрын

@kaytwo_ 2 жыл бұрын

Jesse ran in freaking dirt! He'd be so fast today lol

@msp5138 2 жыл бұрын

@@jameslittle2137 14 US higher schooler have ran under 4 minutes in the mile, but that does not take into account all the african and european teenagers who ran under 4 minutes if you converted their 1500 meter times to mile times. As for Jessie Owens, his world record long jump would still qualify for the finals and place him in, at least, the top 8 in every Olympic and World champions ever held.

@wajhikhawaja6225 2 жыл бұрын

Anytime Wildes or Brussard says something indisputable about MJ vs Lebron Nick's voice starts cracking and he starts making facial gestures and its really fun to watch his agony

@thorne1239 2 жыл бұрын

Nick is the only dude old enough to see prime Jordan, and thinks LeBron is better. I think he does it just to be different.

@jaimesacristanrivas7398 2 жыл бұрын

You can only judge a player by how he fares against his competition.

@tonywong8134 2 жыл бұрын

Chris got this argument down. Imagine playing with Chuck Taylor's...my Lord!

@happyvegeta2337 2 жыл бұрын

in 50 years what we call a superstar today will be considered just average to them. and they'll say our generation wouldn't last in theirs

@kpNov23 2 жыл бұрын

Fr. Your present favorite players will look like shet when they play with 11 feet rims and 40 feet 3 point lines in the future.

@hardybryan 2 жыл бұрын

Cousy was a great natural shooter and athlete. With modern skills and training, he'd still be an excellent player. It's true his skill set from the 50's and 60's is obviously long outdated, but he was the one innovating a lot of those skills. Nowadays 5th graders are taught the passing and dribbling he was doing, but that's because he started doing it so long ago that it became basic fundamentals. It wasn't before him.

@ejectoseatocuzhaha 2 жыл бұрын

Bob never shot over 39% from the field wtf u talking about lol?

@dribblewarrior315 2 жыл бұрын

@@ejectoseatocuzhaha 😂😂😂😂

@kellyellis2981 2 жыл бұрын

When you watch this footage it feels like a different sport. 😂😂😂

@samfowler1997 2 жыл бұрын

Refs were much more strict in the 50s and 60s. Your hand couldn’t come close to moving to the side of the ball or else it was a carry, that’s why Cousy dribbled with the ball way out in front of him

@SuperKillasin 2 жыл бұрын

The fact that jj redick is calling these palyers plumbers and firefighters is totally disrespectful regardless of how he feels. Remember these guys paved the way for you to get the high playing contracts of today.

@digontozahid 2 жыл бұрын

Its a fact tho some of them were plumbers and firefighters for real lol just look it up

@AuburnFanSince2010 2 жыл бұрын

No. Shaq and LeBron paved the way for high contracts. If Shaq didn't go to LA, players wouldn't be signing for $100+ million. If Lebron didn't go to Miami then back to Cleveland, players wouldn't have the super max and super duper max contracts. Magic like a fool signed a 25 years for $25 million contract. Him or previous players before Shaq and Lebron didn't paved sh**

@SuperKillasin 2 жыл бұрын

If thats the case then they had to work those jobs to make ends meet, remember players back then didn't make as much.

@jonjuko8859 2 жыл бұрын

Can’t blame him when older players with huge egos try their best to denigrate modern players at every turn

@theroadrunnerjarhead4109 Жыл бұрын

The players of the past were better than jj reddik. He has no room to talk.

@cwtcwt6915 2 жыл бұрын

Wow guys I'm 4min in and have to say I agree with both Nick and Chris. Love the arguments that both of you guys present. They are both spot on. And Chris the way you bring the old guys into today with the same conditions...you have to give the greats of the past their due. Thxs guys

@danielabatabogdanov8586 2 жыл бұрын

what we forget is that today the pool of players is much larger and more international which also makes the overall level higher. Its not just training and tech.

@Maxrepfitgm 2 жыл бұрын

If anything it's more diluted and how does more equal harder?

@kohsmoger1567 2 жыл бұрын

@@Maxrepfitgm no its not

@Maxrepfitgm 2 жыл бұрын

@@kohsmoger1567 It is because they're more teams now. Do you think it would be easier to become a professional athlete if there are 32 teams for you to join versus 15?

@danielabatabogdanov8586 2 жыл бұрын

@@Maxrepfitgm the talent scouting is way better. Chances that a guy like Giannis never came up to the surface 30 yeara ago where much higher. Also scouting in the high schools is better and so is development. Basically the chance that great talent doesnt get seen is smaller making the overall level higher.

@danielabatabogdanov8586 2 жыл бұрын

@@Maxrepfitgm there is more competition now then 30 years ago even with more teams. Its harder now to become a nba player

@HeyJodye 2 жыл бұрын

Wiles is hilarious! Beethoven could make a drill beat!! 😂😂

@jasonsan9517 2 жыл бұрын

Everyone had a good argument!!! All those arguments can be right at the same time!

@stephenatwater2830 2 жыл бұрын

"Yes, I think beethoven could make a drill beat" 🤣🤣🤣

@michaels5536 2 жыл бұрын

People talk about the evolution of basketball, but they disregard the circumstances and privileges the future generation of stars possess which their predecessors didn't have.

@arturobondad5975 2 жыл бұрын

That is correct. Imagine wilt controlling his every move because he is wearing a chuck Taylor shoes. If he uses his full force like lebron, he needs to replace his shoes every possession. Or if wilt dunks and hangs in the rim in the 60's, then every game he played will end up a no contest..

@musafawundu6718 2 жыл бұрын

Chris Broussard has articulated very well what I have always said with regards to sports stars of distant eras. If they were to be reincarnated in today's era and given the benefit of great improvements in nutrition, training, travel, team organization scheduling, medical care etc that exist today, they would likely all be at least good to very good players. As Broussard says, superstars of long bygone eras would likely at least be stars in this era when it comes to basketball. Bob Cousy benefitting from all what Chris says would certainly be a star and very likely one of the best point guards presently and probably still considered one of the best point guards of all time.

@truth.74 2 жыл бұрын

Jim Brown played from 1957-1965 and nobody questions his greatness.

@strykrpinoy 11 ай бұрын

Jim Brown would bulldoze guys today he is 6’3 240 ran a 4.4 forty

@winnersonly756 2 жыл бұрын

“I do think Beethoven could make a drill beats ” lmao! Wilds a fool

@Stonecoldalston 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with Chris that if you give all time Greats from back then the same advantages players have today they would still be great

@admusic247 2 жыл бұрын

Yes and if the could work on their craft 100% of the year. Jj only made a point that at that time many of them couldn’t. Like it isn’t even debatable. It’s just facts. People act like he said Cousy was trash then and would be trash now. He just pointed out a flaw in mad dogs logic. This all started when mad dog put Cousy in his top5 ever. I think we can all agree that man ain’t top 5 ever and that’s not disrespect.

@BoxOutCeltics 2 жыл бұрын

This is what nobody understands: Bob Cousy, if transported to our time, would find a way to adjust to the new game. That's what great players do. He WOULD NOT struggle. He would dominate.

@jonjuko8859 2 жыл бұрын

Directly transported to our time the only NBA level attribute he’d have is his passing vision. Born in our time is a different matter

@BoxOutCeltics 2 жыл бұрын

@@jonjuko8859 Agreed. But within a year, Cousy would learn the other skills he would need to compete with the best of them. That's what great athletes do. Yo, I'm tryna make a time machine to prove my little theory. I'll be right back...

@jonjuko8859 2 жыл бұрын

@@BoxOutCeltics I think that’s purely hypothetical though, there are elite players today that haven’t developed certain skills

@fredrickwhynn6225 Жыл бұрын

@@jonjuko8859 Time machines do not exist. The only thing that would make sense is born in this time.

@jonjuko8859 Жыл бұрын

@@fredrickwhynn6225 born in this time is also a total hypothetical, at this in the time we can analyse performance

@michaelhuang1309 2 жыл бұрын

JJ is like a modern day physics undergrad mocking Issac Newton.

@KiingHiitman 2 жыл бұрын

05:10 Wilds is too creative bro I’m rolling rn 😂😂

@heirrose1606 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan STILL has the Finals record for Most 3's in a half. Jordan's 3pt % is higher in the Finals when it means more than the regular season.

@lionfan96 2 жыл бұрын

people have already forgotten about the "shrug" game i guess.

@PROBLMCHILD-pk3qk 2 жыл бұрын

He only shoot 100 3s his whole finals career and 2 of those the 3 point line was shortened

@darrinelliot. 2 жыл бұрын

Broussards “Superstars of any era would be at least stars in every era” is spot on. Great great take. We don’t have time travel yet but professionals of the 1950’s were still professionals. We all have to sometimes take a step back & stop measuring what you didn’t see with your own eyes in real time.

@techoperatives2232 2 жыл бұрын

Doubt it.

@jameslittle2137 2 жыл бұрын

@shaunphillips3236 2 жыл бұрын

I see there's a lot of casuals talking about NBA basketball these days smfh

@lancelewis3368 2 жыл бұрын

The truth is nobody today would be able to take the ball from Bob Cousy. He would be great in todays game especially assists wise

@ultimateyagerman 2 жыл бұрын

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@QuestionEverything562 Жыл бұрын

JJ Reddick the tattoo artist of the 2000s and 2010s NBA. Every player went at him to score easy buckets.

@JazzyJ5G 2 жыл бұрын

Another matter is the rules and how they were/are enforced in different eras, especially with dribbling. Players today carry the ball all the time compared to back in the day, not to mention how many steps they get away with today.

@kifley19 2 жыл бұрын

Players are way better now than players in the 50's and 60's. Some players like Wilt could play in any era though.

@kidmillion5540 2 жыл бұрын

No.... they arent. These players today are softer than marshmallows smh. No fkn way cousy would struggle when d league players with no iq can make all star teams smh. Nick Wright is an idiot. He does not know basketball nor play basketball smh. Cousy is a celtics legend

@mostmost1 2 жыл бұрын

Players look cooler but not better at basketball.

@dionwells2859 2 жыл бұрын

Again no their not their more athletic that’s it and flasher but that doesn’t make you a better basketball player. We’re in an era that doesn’t play defense. Who cares if you can do all the fancy dribbling if you shooting 42% from the field

@mostmost1 2 жыл бұрын

@@dionwells2859 I played against old guys in the 90s who did layups I never seen. Finger rolling from their forearms and other weird angles. Post moves so good without jumping 3 inches off the ground. Crazy spins and knockdown jumpers. They taught us some moves but some we couldn't figure out. Guys are still amazing and innovative but so much stuff is lost over time if you just focus on 3pt shoots.

@dangeo1020 2 жыл бұрын

He was a pioneer of the game… he live up to his competition and dominated.

@oxdhaoxt3694 2 жыл бұрын

Kyrie would be so TRIGGERED in 1958 he might retire the same day.

@rayshardrobinson7878 2 жыл бұрын

I’m sorry I respect Bob Cousy, But I still agree with JJ Riddick! Todays NBA Era, would crush that Era of The NBA.

@mattschurenko3032 2 жыл бұрын

You can’t compare them. It’s like comparing your iPhone with a mainframe computer from the 50s. Sports, like technology, evolves and each generation builds on top of the previous one.

@ManishRawat-qz4nd 2 жыл бұрын

There is no comparison. But there is no way of saying players of older era when given the same facilities, same technology support and most importantly the same generational knowledge of previous basketball stars would not beat the new gen players.

@cyrillesu 2 жыл бұрын

That wasn't Cousy's point. His point is that they should be respected for that they gave to the game, not disrespected for what they couldn't control.

@Gnofg 2 жыл бұрын

JJ made almost the same argument about Dave DeBuscherre. Dave was not only the best power forward of his time, he also played major league baseball for the White Sox and had a sub 3.00 ERA. Reddick is half the athlete DeBuscherre was.

@rayshardrobinson7878 2 жыл бұрын

@@mattschurenko3032 you aren’t wrong what you’re saying, but it’s all about your preference. Okay let’s take Boxing for starters. Ali is universally regarded the goat, but some folks says it’s Floyd Mayweather! And even Though Floyd is 50-0, and Ali is 56-5. And Folks will say since Ali lost, and Floyd didn’t in his era they will give him that crown. But people like me who knew the tough opponents, and the Vietnam Draft Situation took at least 3-5 of Ali”s years from. Ali was undefeated before he refused to be inducted into the Us Army.Also the fact Ali was a Heavyweight, making his competition that more difficult to withstand. I will give Ali the title as Goat over Floyd, but In Basketball most of the guys were 5”9, or 6”0’ar best. With a few 6”5 and over not many doesn’t make it harder to say those players could keep pace with today’s athletes. Like Lebron, Giannas, Luka, Ja Marant, Trae Young, Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, or Kawi Leonard it just seems unlikely. It’s my opinion your are entitled to yours.

@redyoshi1873 2 жыл бұрын

Broussard made a great point, you can’t just say “put that superstar player from the 60s in todays game & they’ll be bench warmers” you have to factor in everything that player will have in todays world that they did not have back then

@xcwilliams7980 2 жыл бұрын

Sure, but no one said that, especially not JJ.

@redyoshi1873 2 жыл бұрын

@@xcwilliams7980 I didn’t mention JJ specifically so idk why U feel the need to bring in his name, I’m talkin more about todays average clueless nba fan that was born in 2005

@scottinnh88 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly he would have trained in this day and era. He would be elite.

@jordanjenkins1671 2 жыл бұрын

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@walkingbucket4933 2 жыл бұрын

The point being made isn't that they couldn't have been good, just that they weren't. When someone says someone from the 60s would get smoked, it isn't a question about how they'd be if they were literally reincarnated; it's a demonstration of the difference of skill and how older players can't be held in such high regard when taking all-time discussions, and not era-specific discussions.

@tonyadamis4171 13 күн бұрын

For many years after Cousy retired, the playground taunt was "Who do you think you are? Bob Cousy?" That's how revolutionary his play was.

@cchampaine179 2 жыл бұрын

Chris Broussard is legendary he puts everything in perspective he makes you think he’s so right

@ding-go 2 жыл бұрын

Bottom line is, players can only be judged compared to their peers IN THEIR ERA and compared to the world's basketball players (his peers) Cousy became legendary. And compared to his peers JJ is just a decent player. Cousy clearly had the drive, the talent and the toughness to rise amongst his peers.

@picks2ez622 2 жыл бұрын

BROUSSARD hit the nail on the Head! Let Cousy, Russell ,Oscar Robinson, George Micah learn from their predecessor's and watch what would have happened! Cousy and Oscar learning the step back 3, crossover and euro step, imagine Russel and Wilt learning the mid range game and developing a 3 point shot? These dudes would be Beast today! They just didn't have the luxury of learing from their predecessor. Amazing point by BROUSSARD!! Kudos 👏

@manniesupasport7977 2 жыл бұрын

There’s Footage of Wilt making 3 point range hook shots

@thehollowedtree9586 2 жыл бұрын

It's not really "amazing". It's just common sense and basic logic. Times were different back then, today's athletes benefit off of all the extra advantages they have. For me the biggest ones are better sports medicine, diets, and those sort of things. Lots of athletes come from poor backgrounds and in the past poor REALLY meant poor. Some of them barely had food to eat. While now they're eating specialized diets, protein shakes, weight rooms, and if they are injured they get the best physios and doctors. That's why humans generally get bigger, faster and stronger as time goes on. If you look at the 1700s the average man was nowhere near the size of the average man today. Same reason.

@isaiahtaylor5200 2 жыл бұрын

That Beethoven drill beat joke was hilarious

@Fixundfertig1 2 жыл бұрын

that Nick's facepalm at the end of the video xD

@SSJRome 2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t even know this man was still alive lol

@ImaSuburban 2 жыл бұрын

Rs 😭

@ADM-nx8gn 2 жыл бұрын

If Kyrie was dropped into that era he would be called for 15 turnovers in the first quarter and would be benched until he learned how to dribble the ball without being called for a travel or a carry. The way players play today was not allowed back then.

@RAZORRAZE2K 2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha 😅 brilliant

@paulcox2447 2 жыл бұрын

If you really believe this you are delusional. Kyrie could easily dribble without travelling, he can dribble better than almost anyone, period. You think he can't devolve back to some basic dribbling? His skills are 50+ years ahead and they would look like it. It would be a d1 college basketball player playing with a "average" HS team.

@ADM-nx8gn 2 жыл бұрын

@@paulcox2447 Dribbling for a basketball player is like breathing, it begins at the age of 5. Kyrie is 30. 80 percent of every dribble he has taken since breathing oxygen would be ruled a travel, a carry, or both in that era. It would take him years to un-train himself from the 25 years of billions of dribbles all that are turnovers to adjust. Its a bit more extreme then you might imagine. To discount this is a fundamental lack of intelligence and is the reason we don't compare eras. The rules of the game are actually so different you cannot make assumptions of what you think might happen. Kyrie would be the worst player on any team average less than 1 point a game, average 1 turnover per minute and mentally be the weakest player in any pro sport.

@paulcox2447 2 жыл бұрын

@@ADM-nx8gn yup, you're delusional

@Shin-gq4pu 2 жыл бұрын

@@paulcox2447 that's funny coming from a delusional Kyrie fangirl.

@bismarkyeboah70 2 жыл бұрын

What makes great players great is not just their skill sets, it’s their mentality to be the best that made them great. That mentality translates to any era and it’s common among all the greats. So if Cousy was born in 2000, he would have developed the skill sets to be great because he wants to be the very best and will work to get there

@chrisrobinson2180 2 жыл бұрын

I want to see Bob Cousy & jj square up 🤣

@charleseleeiii 2 жыл бұрын

My only issue with CB's take is that he doesn't mind doing that hypothetical for the old guard but will still suggest the physicality of the old eras gives them a greatness multiplier or would be too much for modern players.

@alexgretzky2247 2 жыл бұрын

Bingo. Never talks about how sophisticated defenses are nowadays with different types of zones and switching with the interchangeable athletes we have

@2gunzfilms425 2 жыл бұрын

Thing is..it doesn’t work backwards the same way. Lebron doesn’t get the same longevity he has today, in the 1980s because the technology doesn’t exist in the 80s.

@2gunzfilms425 2 жыл бұрын

@@alexgretzky2247 defense isn’t more complicated nor any different today. The bulls switched everything in 96 just like the pistons did in 88, and the bucks did in 86, and so on and so forth. Nothing is more complicated about the game, except that offensive players are allowed to break the rules now.

@atlien1988 2 жыл бұрын

@@2gunzfilms425 thanks you, however, I will admit that technology allows coaches and trainers today to look at the game from different perspectives that weren't available today. The rules are very different though. If we give the players of the past the same advances that players have today, they'd be just as good. The argument that they were fireman or plumbers is dumb and lazy.

@alexgretzky2247 2 жыл бұрын

@@2gunzfilms425 zone defense became legal in 2002. Box & 1, 2-3 zones so on and so fourth. So teams can really load up strong sides and manipulate offenses in different ways

@MH-dt4ib 2 жыл бұрын

Just look at the fact that no one in mankind history ran a sub 4 minute mile, and once the first guy did it (not even an athlete btw), the next guy did it in 46 days. Watching your predecessors is probably the BIGGEST factor. You think guys tall forwards like KD have their handles if Magic didn't exist? or didn't see Dirk shoot?

@AuburnFanSince2010 2 жыл бұрын

Magic didn't have a handle. He could only dribble.

@MH-dt4ib 2 жыл бұрын

@@AuburnFanSince2010 missing my point... prior to Magic, guys that tall didn't handle the ball, play make, etc. lots of taller players - who would've grown up being taught to play traditional big man roles - expanded their games due to pioneers like Magic (and guys like Dirk when it comes to shooting at that size, etc.)

@joshido7352 2 жыл бұрын

@@MH-dt4ib Hakeem would’ve been Giannis if we was encouraged to shoot and dribble more at early age

@sydguitar99 2 жыл бұрын

People like Bob Cousey set the foundation, without a foundation there's nothing to build on. People forget that

@heyfrancis3332 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent excellent points Chris Brousard🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@bolo5190 2 жыл бұрын

Some ppl say the kind of numbers Wilt Chamberlain was putting up was against Plummers and etc, which is totally false, Chamberlain was a much better greater version of O'Neil and two times stronger possibly even more and he's only big man to lead the league in a assists which is absolutely insane, he also had an elite finesse game for a big who was enormously strong like I said before and he was an athletic freak..

@bolo5190 2 жыл бұрын

And back then when Chamberlain played, they played at a very high tempo.

@jonjuko8859 2 жыл бұрын

His league leading assists at modern pacing are around 5 a game

@bolo5190 2 жыл бұрын

@@jonjuko8859 Right

@theroadrunnerjarhead4109 Жыл бұрын

Chamberlain played against hall of fame centers like Lanier, Russell, Abdul jabbar, Walt Bellamy etc. etc. etc.

@bosskbounty 8 ай бұрын

@@theroadrunnerjarhead4109 wasn't Kareem in the Milwaukee fire department at the time :P? Chamberlain was a pure beast. Russell and Chamberlain played in a great era against some fantastic centers.

@MauriSky2437 2 жыл бұрын

Chris Broussard came in with the equalizing factors that can't be fairly ignored. Chris looked with a broad perspective as to what athletes of years ago would have at their disposal today. Duh, they would have the same benefits enjoyed by modern athletes. Great job Chris! Clowns come with feelings, jokes, and myopic perspectives.

@richardmather1906 2 жыл бұрын

The point about today's players getting to see what the guys who came before and moved the game forward is a huge one. Cousy was extending the understanding of what was possible.

@gott3356 2 жыл бұрын

Y’all top 5 fs love watching y’all especially Broussard & wilds

@wishman822 2 жыл бұрын

70 years later we will be calling the players today “firemen and plumbers”. The game evolves, players get better and have way more technology now than ever. The people back in the 60’s thought that these players couldn’t get any better than this but here we are and people here we are now thinking the same thing.

@KleinpeterHank 2 жыл бұрын

Nah todays players are podcasters, SoundCloud rappers, Instagram models, and twitch streamers.

@professorbird1224 2 жыл бұрын

No they won't, the players at that time were ACTUALLY plumbers and firemen and other things. They had regular jobs, they weren't the same as today, and that's ok, things evolve. Like Nick said, Jesse Owens was the fastest at that time, but he wouldn't qualify for today's college races.

@wishman822 2 жыл бұрын

@@professorbird1224 Jesse owens would stop trippin. If he got all the technology advantages and training advantages todays players have, he would still Be great or even greater than he already was

@professorbird1224 2 жыл бұрын

@@wishman822 better yes, but is he beating Usain Bolt? Nooo. That’s not technology, it’s evolution. That’s like saying if a stage coach had an engine it would be faster, well ya, but it didn’t that’s why it was a stagecoach, and even if it did have an engine it’s not beating a Ferrari. It’s not disrespect to say said thing is said thing.

@elijaharvinger1178 2 жыл бұрын

@@professorbird1224 That's literally the best explanation I've heard on this topic. I love how everyone is just chalking today's players up to medicine and training and not understanding that no amount of training or medicine will give you a Giannis or a Shaq or even a Westbrook(if we're just talking raw athleticism). The GAME itself forced athletes to get better not the other way around. The NBA is 75 years old so there's 75 years of history to learn from and develop from. As opposed to the 20 years guys like Cousy and Russell had to draw from.

@JayL8899 2 жыл бұрын

Totally missed Jj’s point, he said all time greats could play in ANY era including todays. What had issues with was the level of competition hence the plumbers comment

@errickcotto1550 2 жыл бұрын

still disrespectful because the level competition is only as high because Athletes today have so much support to get their bodies ready for it

@TheNyion912 2 жыл бұрын

@JayL8899 2 жыл бұрын

@@errickcotto1550 True, I know it was probably hard working a shift at the diner in the daytime then getting ready for a basketball game at night with the Celtics

@gregdagawd9589 2 жыл бұрын

These dudes that played in the 50’s could not play today and that’s the point.

@tjlpartners8263 9 күн бұрын

I have been with Bob Cousy in a VIP crowd and people lost their minds to meet him. He is a legend. He has very large hands, very large. He also is very bright. The Houdini of the Hardwood used those large hands to land passes at the hands of his team who could shoot. You couldn’t beat Cousy at his best.

@Zantar16 2 жыл бұрын

You have to judge players based on the era they played in. If Jerry West dominated an era with teachers and firemen that was what he was given and you need to respect that. You cannot assume he would or wouldn't be great in another era. This applies with current players as well, like if Curry is dominating the current era and won 3 rings, you cannot undermine that and put Isiah Thomas' 2 rings over Curry's just cause he played in another era. You need to respect players for what they achieved in the era they played in.

@janirosario5751 2 жыл бұрын

Bob Cousy with today’s training would be a top 3 point guard in the league cause he definitely had the talent.

@rosspatterson1954 2 жыл бұрын

no chance and very wrong 🤣

@billpap.9669 2 жыл бұрын

And that is why you can't compare players from the 60's to the modern era (like Nick said from the Kareem era until today)

@D-money813 2 жыл бұрын

If I had a billion dollars I would be a billionaire. I already have the attitude. GOOFY

@zuverzagmail 2 жыл бұрын

hahaha

@BoxOutCeltics 2 жыл бұрын

Why aren't we talking about that perfect drill beat analogy? Flawless. Salute.

@philstewart345 11 күн бұрын

The guy talking in the beginning looks like the villain in Robin Hood Prince Of Thieves!

@ViewsContent 2 жыл бұрын

There are more training facilities, more trainers, more knowledge and more programs. Talent is talent. Those old guys would be great today.

@idlanier752 2 жыл бұрын

Literally Jordan played in the same era with Reggie Miller, so yeah of course he grew up in 3 point line era

@NoVisionGuy 2 жыл бұрын

Reggie Miller was the only one known for shooting volume 3s at that time. Now we got literally every team has at least 1 player that's known to be a good 3pt shooter.

@againstalloddstrey1605 2 жыл бұрын

@@NoVisionGuy Reggie was not the only one shooting volume 3s he was just the best shooter

@idlanier752 2 жыл бұрын

@@NoVisionGuy What about Joe Dumars, Steve Kerr, and Kenny Smith? They all have really good percentage from the three. Before Steph was changed the game the league still dominated by shooting guard mid range master like Kobe, Pierce, Carmelo and D Wade. Meanwhile the big guy post game just still have bigger impact than anyone else like Duncan, Howard, Gasol and Garnett. So LeBron was improving shooting from three at the same time Steph ang Golden state take over the league, that's why LeBron added weapons in his game by learning Steph Curry weapons. Meanwhile Jordan not added anything about Reggie Miller weapons

@ernestparker7261 2 жыл бұрын

Nobody laughed at the drill line??? That was classic

@michaelmichael8147 2 жыл бұрын

Good discussion. Thanks

@sumdude611 2 жыл бұрын

I love how an argument is presented and then they continually move the goal post. Nick was making the point that the way that the person was playing “Bob Cousy“ in that era if dropped in this era would struggle. He didn’t say oh if Bob Cousy had all of the information that we have now for our younger players that he wouldn’t be able to compete he said “as he was” he wouldn’t be able to compete. It would a lot of people don’t talk about is the dynamic of being able to finish with both hands and dribble with both hands. Go back and watch those old films and tell me that they don’t look like a bunch of high-end rec league players. I’m not talking about the YMCA rec league I’m talking about the lifestyle type rec league players or the drew league players that’s probably the pinnacle of what they would be able to achieve in this era which is nothing to scoff at but it’s not NBA level basketball. Nobody goes back to the 50s 60s era pulls highlights and teaches kids anything from that era other than some of the zone defenses that were developed then

@tahamughal1634 2 жыл бұрын

You weren’t allowed to do cross overs and all that was considered carrying

@terrootti 2 жыл бұрын

So what's the point here? They shouldn't be considered all time great?

@jordanjenkins1671 2 жыл бұрын

"Superstars of any era would be stars in every era" Agreed, James Harden was a superstar this era because of the zero-step rule and excessive flopping and foul-baiting, and he would only be a star in every other era.

@dmarr4941 2 жыл бұрын

LOL! Agree

@Thebrothaisback 2 жыл бұрын

Harden is a fake superstar who manipulated his way into the hall of fame, but produced nothing.

@animeanime7849 2 жыл бұрын

Harden Haters are getting dumber by the second

@jonjuko8859 2 жыл бұрын

So top level passing, ball handling, shooting and finishing counts for nothing?

@jordanjenkins1671 2 жыл бұрын

@@jonjuko8859 I said he'd be a star in every other era, didn't I?