Great point Andreas!

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Yes sr!!!!

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Hi Ignacio! Anything in particular he would like a tip on?

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Thank you Juan!!!!!’

Anytime!!!! Yes ! He is there!!!

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Thank you Rudy!!! The combination of the “next Gen forehand” and the correct order in the kinetic chain is a lethal combination, and Italians are getting it right!!! Watch out for Italian players! They are solid, well prepared, they are fighters, and they are here to stay!!!!

I’m almost sure I understand what you mean. That’s for sure one way to explain it, are you a tennis instructor? Teaching this method, and I’ve been trying for 10 years, takes 10 times more work then just allow the student to do a “wta” backswing, Muchova who just beat Osaka is another great example of a girl “crossing over” the ATP model. The principle is simple as into how to do it, and there are a few ways to simplify it call mom at someway or another it’s a very hard thing for students to keep the wrist “closed” , Thank you for the input!

No but yes, many female junior coaches are trying to teach the ATP forehand to their students, we are starting to see more WTA players (Jen Brady) use the ATP forehand, and I am sure it will show up more and more. It is not a compact swing, it is just that the WTA swing is too big of a swing. Further more it is important that the ATP forehand uses the energy the Kinetic Chain provides, and for the most part a high percentage of the WTA forehand can't take advantage of that energy, as it breaks the order of the Chain. Justin Henin was a great example of a perfectly executed use of that energy and an "ATP" forehand. Thank you for your reply, your point is well taken.

@RiTennis Mario thanks and I understand your point. On that topic, do you see more people using full western grip like Jack Sock in the near future? Is Jen Brady using western grip?

@@bournejason66 Jen Brady does us a western grip, and I don't see full western being a grip that will prevail over western grip, but there will always be a hand full of players that will use it.

@@MarioRITennis The WTA FH takes full advantage of the kinetic chain, female players, the vast majority use it today to hit FH’s harder than Henin ever could. Osaka can clock a FH over 100mph, she has very good command of the kinetic chain and order of operations. Henin has been retired for many years yet the WTA swing still dominates and there’s nothing major going on at the tour level to suggest things will change. Jason Bourne has made good points. Respecting the differences between the atp game and the WTA game is crucial to understanding the FH stroke differences. The women hit flatter (less spin) to penetrate the court. For most women, trying to use the atp swing would be a disaster because they’d lose pace and produce low spin balls that would sit up and get crushed. Respecting the anatomical differences between male and female players is vital to helping them achieve their potential and also ending the unproductive endless what is better atp vs WTA FH stroke debate.

@@bournejason66 Good points Jason, you are correct in your observations. There are very few WTA players using an atp FH because it just isn’t a good option for them due to the characteristics of the women’s game (hitting flatter to generate pace vs using heavy spin) and their anatomical strengths vs men, greater flexibility being just one. Not to disrespect Mario’s position, but rather offer an alternative POV. This debate and prediction about WTA women adopting the atp FH swing model is an American obsession which has been going on for years but has subsided because enough time has passed to show it doesn’t work for the vast majority of elite female players. European coaches (and other leading tennis nations) don’t waste their time with coaching it, they are more interested doing things with their players (male and female) that result in winning slams and dominating the top 10 and 20 rankings. You can clearly see these results in the men’s game. There are no American top 10 and few top 20 players in the atp and no slam winners since Roddick in 2003. The data speaks for itself. There’s a heck of a lot more to winning than having good technique let alone defining just what good technique is. Daniil Medvedev is a great example. Lots of American coaches criticizing his FH technique but no one developing a player from the US that can beat him in ranking points, titles, and prize money. Here’s an excellent video of a European born coach working with a WTA player on trying to learn the ATP FH. I think you’ll find it interesting and informative and keen to hear your feedback. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z9aCrZSC1quvo4E.html

@NamesAreRandom .. so why don't you credit Tom Allsopp for that information because you plagiarized it from his KZfaq channel!

You are correct, it is not, but it certainly helps…

Así es Mariano!

You are way too smart for me! ;-)

@@MarioRITennis Too funny. The instincts love keeping the work in front of the body. That is why it is important to keep your hands on the front side of your body and the so called ATP forehand is for everyone. The coronal plane is the line you drew at 0:44 and perfectly divides the body into front and back halves. Simply leading the elbow back while making a full body turn is as simple as it gets for the backswing, as described by Vic Braden's "Tennis for the Future" in 1977. You are right about the kinetic chain, and this is non negotiable. Where are you located?

@@frankmcchrystal4029 I’m going to focus on Vic Braden this weekend, looking forward to it! I’m in Newport Ri, how about you?

@@MarioRITennis Awesome! I spent 10th grade at Rogers High and lived in the hood called Tonomy HIll. Way back in 71. Good times. I live in Stuart Fl now.

@@frankmcchrystal4029 no way!!!! You are a local!!! If you have a come back, let me know! We can get together for lunch or some thing!

No disrespect meant, love that we all have different opinions and that we have a plataforma to voice them, Justin Henin had an ATP forehand and she was not a big woman yet was able to create amazing power. Respect your opinion, best of luck!

@@MarioRITennis Thanks Mario. Important to be able to agree to disagree. Yes, Justin and Samantha Stosar both had ATP style FHs but neither could match Serena, Venus who didn't. Long after Justin retired the women on tour have not adopted the ATP FH model for good reason. They are 2 players out of thousands of WTA players over the years who do not have an ATP swing including the top young WTA players today like Barty, Osaka, Brady, Mertens, Pegula, Halep etc. etc. Why try to force something that is not natural or optimal? Did you watch the video in my previous message? Clearly, the WTA player couldn't make the change nor should she try or be coerced to do so by a well meaning but misguided coach.

@@poida007 Serena is 190 lbs of muscle, she’s in a class by herself, I don’t think she’s a good example to promote your cause, I won’t convince you and you won’t convince me, so we can go back and forth another 20 times or we could just drop it :)

@@MarioRITennis No more than Justin Henin was in a class by herself and a good model to promote your cause. I have no cause, but rather just stating the obvious. How many years have come and gone and not another female player has come along to win slams with an ATP FH? That fact alone should tell you that teaching an ATP FH for the WTA game and player characteristics is a non starter. No different than trying to teach the Federer FH to a young male player makes no sense and Federer himself said this, that his forehand is complex and not a good model to copy. It’s strange that American tennis coaches seem to think it is and make endless videos about trying to “model it”. An American male hasn’t won a slam since early 2000, Andy Roddick. Coaching problems are a big reason and endless KZfaq copy Federer FH technique videos are an insight to this problem. American coaches are obsessed with technique, European coaches are obsessed with winning Slams and dominating top 10 rankings. America’s best male prospect is Seb Korda. Fortunately his Czech father and former Slam champ is his coach and they’re allowing him to develop his own strengths. Enjoying the discussion but appreciate and understand different points of view being shared. My main point is that technique is only a part of the winning formula and that it is unique to each player. Daniil Medvedev is a great example. Here's an interactive NY Times article on Osaka's 100mph WTA FH by sports scientist Marc Kovacs explaining the kinetic chain and order of operations - sequencing) www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/09/08/sports/tennis/naomi-osaka-us-open.html

@@poida007 kind of hard for me to talk about other coaches or players as I’m not sure exactly what they are thinking, maybe you do? I have my opinion about why coaches don’t teach next Gen to girls, and I’m not about to write 2 pages of bullet points here so that’s it. But Again, great place for discussion, and obviously we won’t agree. Have a great day!