Fixing the old hay wagon we bought

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4 жыл бұрын

We bought an old hay wagon off facebook market place. Now it is time to try to fix it up to use during hay season. The hay wagon is a sears - David Bradley hay wagon with a dump hoist or dump wagon. We need to replace a tire and build a hay rack on the back of the wagon.
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@timh9407 4 жыл бұрын

I've baled and stacked on the wagon by myself many a time. The hoist is for when you put sides on the wagon for hauling ear corn and grain. If you've had to shovel corn into a crib you'll understand.The fence on the back of the flatbed is called a ladder.Or that's what we called it. But if the tractor driver is steady and doesnt drive like a fool, you dont need the ladder. That's if you really know how to stack hay.A wise old farmer once told me,"Every thing in life has a trick to it, you just have to know the trick."60 years old and I've learned a little bit.

@nealpurdy1202 4 жыл бұрын

David Bradley and sears partnered in the 50s but not in the 60s. You will find a hay hook invaluable for stacking bales and grabbing them from the hay shoot. We always called the upright on the back of hay wagon a "standard".. I immediately thought of firewood as a handy use for that dump feature. Though i bet it would be handy with brush or rocks. We used to pull a hay wagon through a freshly worked up field to collect rocks. Time for Rebecca to learn how to drive tractor?

@geo52041 4 жыл бұрын

Evan Keep that old Case Tractor in good shape it will last you for life . The dump wagon is a bonus

@don66hotrod94 3 жыл бұрын

What you just built is commonly called a "standard". It needs to lean back slightly or your hay bales will creep forward as you stack to the front. Hay racks are typically 8 feet wide. Good for you saving that old equipment. Take good care of that CASE!

@robertheinkel6225 3 жыл бұрын

Nothing more exiciting than getting a new hay wagon built, especially one that tracked straight down the road. To break the tire bead, try just missing the rim with the front tire of the tractor. You can almost drive right around the rim. None of our racks had the back fence. You just had to load it properly.

@lilongge1304 2 жыл бұрын

My dad used to do that to break the bead.

@kingkong7617 4 жыл бұрын

The hay wagon will be a good addition to have and find several uses for it.

@philgriswold2133 4 жыл бұрын

That wagon seems to be the closest to a piece of serviceable equipment that you have purchased. I think it's great that you are putting all that old stuff back in service and saving money at the same time. When I saw that dump, my first thought was firewood. I bet you'll come up with all sorts of uses for that dump trailer as time goes by.

@Tomhohenadel 4 жыл бұрын

Evan, we always called the back stop on the wagon, the hay rack. Good job

@ronaldlee2376 4 жыл бұрын

What you are building is a rear standard for bale retention, before hay balers were invented, hay loaders were pulled by horses/tractors connected to wagon. they were loading tall loose hay that dropped from loader onto wagon so front standard was needed to secure hay from falling off due to vibration running on on even ground.

@g.r.4853 4 жыл бұрын

Really?? we called it a rack, as in hay rack.

@waltercalvin2626 3 жыл бұрын

You will find out why the end gate had the bolt system , and you need boards on sides as well to keep them from snagging on tree limbs and such and can also run a brace on each side . We used chain , doesn't have to be heavy but enough to support the end gate

@rickhicks8603 4 жыл бұрын

Just built an end gate for my wagon . built it out white oak off my farm . Did put an x brace on it to make it stronger and works great

@billypirtle1443 8 ай бұрын

The dump was used for ear corn back in the 50's and 60's one way cylinder on a barge box.

@gurubhat6680 2 жыл бұрын

Please try making lumber of your own, as you have sufficient stock of firewood, whenever a storm knocks down any good tree, you can make lumber out of it using your STIHL chainsaw. All that you need is two steel square beams. There are so many YT vid on how to make lumber using chainsaws.

@dougB4454 2 жыл бұрын

Nice work. Like your haircut. Unscrew the valve stem before you break the bead. I think on the tires you should have something like 4 ply, meaning they are for heavy loads and not passenger tires. I’m learning also,

@matsrunnerstrom5216 4 жыл бұрын

It´s great to see you not having problems with your back!

@tractorsold1 4 жыл бұрын

Only time we ever used the dump on a hay wagon was when we were filling in a hole behind the barn with some sand we dug up. Getting stscked hay down off a wagon or off the stack in the barn was always a job for us kids.

@donniechapman5922 4 жыл бұрын

Man I admire your work ethic that's what a poor man has to do, not judging you just myself!

@chrisrhoads8256 3 жыл бұрын

Nice old school wagon my grandfather had 3 wagons & he bale alot of hay back n the day / sir u have good videos

@darellsunderlin4670 4 жыл бұрын

Cool wagon with hydraulics , not to be picky but it's called a rack not a fence , but it's yours so call it what ya want. Good video! :-)

@HustleMuscleGhias Жыл бұрын

If you needed to break that bead I could have loaned you my mother-in-law. She recently moved back to Royalton, Illinois where she is now putting the the "annoy" in Illinois.. One of her relatives worked at the Lerner pant factory in Hillsboro 1924 then later in Carbondale when the factory was moved around ~1930.

@jonlambshead5115 Жыл бұрын

Good Video Evan. If You Was To Use It For Taking Wood To The Wood Splitter ,Best To Leave It On The Trailer, That Way You Don't Have To Pick Up The wood Off The Ground. You Have To Work Smarter, Not Harder. Watching From Australia . CHEERS

@terrycastor8299 2 жыл бұрын

That is a cool old wagon. I wish we had had one like it on the farm.

@stevemartinez6757 4 жыл бұрын

I could find many uses for a wagon like that. Nice work as usual.

@shaniaa9287 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome addition to the farm. You're just living it aren't you, Evan. I'm so happy for you. ❣️

@bendigr 4 жыл бұрын

put some chamfers on the 2x4's to help guide them in the stake pockets.

@horseblinderson4747 3 жыл бұрын

Whenever you get a piece of new to you, even if it's brand spanking new to begin with. Make sure you leave your return off to blow any old schmue through the line and into a bucket so it doesn't put nasty into your hydraulic tank.

@ldg2655 4 жыл бұрын

That dump feature is cool! You can use it for hauling manure/compost/wood chips and dump it near your garden for use..

@w056007568 4 жыл бұрын

especially if you could have some sort of slippery plastic flooring that you could drop on to the wooden boards which would allow a load to slide off easily as the tipping angle at full lift is not especially steep and loads may stick.

@dwightl5863 4 жыл бұрын

@@w056007568 Slippery plastic flooring not a good idea when stacking bales on the rack while baling.

@w056007568 4 жыл бұрын

@@dwightl5863 Point taken. My comment should perhaps have been more clearly explained. What i meant was timber flooring for jobs like stacking and hauling bales but have some sort of slippery material in sheet form that might be dropped on and quickly bolted down but easily removed when not needed.

@hankfacer7098 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice, multi purpose cart

@brianeisenga882 4 жыл бұрын

Used that type of wagon when I was a kid. Ours fit 80 bales each. Had 3 of them. Until we bought a kicker baler. Then we built 4 wagons that held 150 bales each. We did lots of little square bales. Half for us. And sold half to other people. Between 1st and 2nd cuttings we did between 50k and 60k each year. If we didn't get 1500 bales in a day it was a bad one. Usually 2k to 2500 a day. Weather permitting.

@stephenrowland818 4 жыл бұрын

My years on the farm and haying...we never had a rack on the back. We still stacked 5 layers and never worried about the hay falling off.

@frrapp2366 4 жыл бұрын

but i bet you put a tie layer in to hold it all together we did with our nh stack wagon

@stephenrowland818 4 жыл бұрын

@@frrapp2366 Yes. 1st layer ran 2 bales going across the width of the wagon and the 2nd layer bales ran 4 across tying 1st and 2nd layers together. Additional layers were repeats of the 1st two. At least that's how it was on our farm.

@robertheinkel6225 3 жыл бұрын

We cross stacked just the back and front two rows. We had hilly farms and never had issues with keeping hay on the racks.

@547Rick 4 жыл бұрын

In the future if you have a lumber yard near you. Purchase green processed white oak. It is strong, rot resistant and cheap. Much better than pressure treated pine.

@coyotiess 3 жыл бұрын

Good job on the wagon!

@philswords6390 3 жыл бұрын

You backing that wagon like a boss. Trailers are easy backed, but wagons!!?

@ericfluty2942 4 жыл бұрын

Great job! Swap the short 2x4 with the top one on the hay rack. It’ll look like a million bucks rolling through the hay field!!

@mechanicmike2858 4 жыл бұрын

I was going to say that same thing

@robfl07 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed... it’s triggering my OCD!

@danwaters115 4 жыл бұрын

When I change my tyers I drive over the bead with the tractor and that usually works

@danielheartsill4269 4 жыл бұрын

When you are clearing brush you can pile it on the hay wagon, take it to the burn pile and dump it rather than unloading by hand.

@GeekboyNC 4 жыл бұрын

Some brackets for some short side rails might be useful at times like firewood collecting or hauling loose materials.

@timarmel847 4 жыл бұрын

Adjust the spacing of your horizontal 2x4s so they are in the middle of each bale for best support. The height can be reduced then as well.

@jimmyjohnson7041 Жыл бұрын

Your right on track using straps to hold the back on !!! I have 7 hay wagons...I use 2x6 lumber the flat way as your doing. A 2x6 will hold the load. 2x4 is rather " questionable". The key is to get the backs to tip back slightly....but not too much.....putting too much force on the backs. From bottom to top.....maybe tilting back about 4 inches at the most. All my back just pull up and off. Very simple to use.....and the flat beds work much better for round bales too !

@davidfrese4975 2 жыл бұрын

when i used to bale square bales a long time ago, i did not use any back support, but instead just stacked the bales so they would cross each other and hold the bales together. it was always my experience when i helped neighbor farmers to bale their hay during my high school summer vacations, and when it was my job to stack the hay on the wagon in the hayfield, that the back support on the hay wagons never did a very good job of holding the bales together, especially on bumpy hayfields and roads.

@patrickbear7261 4 жыл бұрын

I like the dump trailer, it's cool 👍🏻👍🏻

@duraspace7285 3 жыл бұрын

A good solid borad and your pick up is what i use to get some beads broke loose usually always works

@MrMarb100s 3 жыл бұрын

build some brackets like you did for the back rack, then make some sideboards 2,maybe 3 foot side high for when youre moving brush or firewood

@HiddenHeightsFarm 4 жыл бұрын

That's pretty neat! Good job being creative to get it to the way you wanted it. I don't see many of those hay trailers around anymore.

@cybersylo5786 4 жыл бұрын

Man, I have a feeling you should check those wheel bearings. That wagon has been rode hard and put up wet. It is pretty cheap and easy to do.

@farmalllover8217 4 жыл бұрын

Nice video. That wagon would be nice for firewood. I think that wagon would’ve either been a grain wagon or silage wagon.

@ghostfox3560 3 жыл бұрын

Glad to see these old tools still put to use.

@brentonb6429 3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the dumb was made for round bales but you can use it for pretty much anything you want

@rickcales38 4 жыл бұрын

My lineman senses were tingling. I saw the square bolt heads and nuts and the lag screws and got a little excited.

@kriss7397 4 жыл бұрын

With the wagon behind you could let the bales push onto the wagon and then stop and stack them and keep going till full. Did this back in the day, works good!!!! Really enjoy your channel!!!!!

@travismccoy5232 4 жыл бұрын

This is amazing for beginners like myself.

@donaldfranklin5391 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video on repairing an old vintage farming Hay Wagon

@johnsadler8637 4 жыл бұрын

There needs to be a strap bracket level with the top of the deck on the wagon to meet the rack from leaning backwards. As you said, that’s the weak direction. The original mount had the top bolt holding against rearward force, but as you built it, there is nothing keeping it upright.

@michaelshea4372 4 жыл бұрын

Or a strap of wood or steel(even chain) coming from the sides up to the upper portion of his wall to steady it. Like the straps on an equipment trailer that hold the ramps up while they’re not being used.

@johnsadler8637 4 жыл бұрын

Looking at it again, I see there is only about 4” from the lowest bearing point on the front to the highest bearing point on the back, which is the top of the metal strap. If a similar piece of strap metal were made to bolt onto the lateral 2x at the back of the deck, just under the decking, and surround the 2x4 stake on 3 sides, then bolt into the lateral on the other side of the stake, you’d have another 6-8” up on the backside bearing point. That would be much stronger for holding hay on the wagon. The other thing I’d do is remove the bottom crossbar and put it at the second level. Or swap the short one to the top. That would be visually nice plus save you catching those upper corners as much.

@michaelshea4372 4 жыл бұрын

I caught that same thing about the bottom 2x. Like he said though,he ran out of 2xs. Wouldn’t take much with that dewalt to swap it to top though. The corners catching on anything up high is a good point too. Always seems to be something in the way when your trying to back them into the barn.

@johnsadler8637 4 жыл бұрын

michael shea Your chains would keep the rack vertical for sure but if you can do without them, you can stack the hay a little wider than the deck.

@michaelshea4372 4 жыл бұрын

True

@jerreyhiatte7644 4 жыл бұрын

great wagon

@neilschipper3741 4 жыл бұрын

We had the same style Hay Wagon in the 1950s. Grandfather made removable side panels. will you set a wagon for everything!!! Anything that needed hauled. H a y, cleaning out the different buildings, it was always used in the truck Gardens. We also had the same haybaler and sickle. Oh what fun it was unloading the hay!!! Kids nowadays would not know how much hard work it took on a daily basis.

@dolfans413 Жыл бұрын

Nice job of backing it in! lol

@markb1487 4 жыл бұрын

We have 2 hay carts,, the wood that you put on the back to hold the hay, we in the UK call the "" gormers "" but ours also have diagonal wood going from top of "the gormers" to the chassis/frame of the cart,, making it much much stronger+sturdy.. Our carts hold around 120 bales each.. Great Great video...

@kennybaughman5032 4 жыл бұрын

Farmers back in the old days used wagons for multiple use for hauling corn silage . hole corn. hay. potatoes . so the dump wagon was used year round

@ndtschau 3 жыл бұрын

At least it's good to have dump wagon anyway. There'll b e enough things you'll be happy to have a wagon to load on... 😉👍🏻

@VelvetRedRoses 4 жыл бұрын

My brother has a trailer with the tilt feature. He uses it to collect and dump cut tree pieces, branches, bramble and brush when doing yard work. Very handy and saves time and labor. Short sides will be helpful for that work but he never used the back on it while loading the brush and taking it where it needed to go.

@Hedge-Hog 4 жыл бұрын

Put a tow hitch on the front of the tractor lot easier to steer the trailer back hitched to the front.

@michaelshea4372 4 жыл бұрын

Good idea

@w056007568 4 жыл бұрын

Or a tidy hitch on the front of your truck so that you push to drive it it somewhere.

@dwightl5863 4 жыл бұрын

I thought his backing skills looked good backing the trailer at the beginning.

@edbelledin9600 4 жыл бұрын

Out of curiosity, Did you check wheel bearings, seals and re-grease them?

@robertjakubos336 4 жыл бұрын

Wagon looks great. You might want to add another strap below the one you have. The rack will be more stable front to back. Enjoy your channel.

@janicecaves1496 4 жыл бұрын

Hay wagon looks great! I was thinking, as soon as you said it had a dump feature, that it would be good for hauling logs for firewood--save you a lot of labour if you can just dump the load for splitting.

@bobtaylor6508 4 жыл бұрын

To break the bead, place the tyre under the front axle of a tractor and using a bottle jack pump the jack, it will push down and break the bead, saves loads of time.

@charlesbrown7387 4 жыл бұрын

Drill pilot holes with a small bit it will make it easier and you won't distroy your larger bits

@yasminghani2073 3 жыл бұрын

You are doing a amazing job fixing things plus working

@genedieballsr.4493 Жыл бұрын

The dump feature was for unloading corn or grain like a dump truck.

@acesoftrul3z 4 жыл бұрын

If you're changing tires at all, invest in the harbor freight tire changer/bead breaker. I used to struggle breaking beads but i've yet to encounter a bead i can't break in 2-4 seconds with the HF tire changer. Best money I ever spent, I think it was only around $100

@CountryViewAcres 4 жыл бұрын

I actually went to buy one before making this video. They didn't have any, so I asked. They said they were just recalled, and they had to take them off the shelves. But that was my original plan.

@maggiesue4825 4 жыл бұрын

Glad to see your back is better!

@sharonanspach2734 4 жыл бұрын

never saw one of these..very fascinating..and great job fixing and modifying it

@batpherlangkharkrang7976 4 жыл бұрын

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@johnzink3309 Жыл бұрын

Thx

@billypirtle1443 8 ай бұрын

From rhe color of it looks like a new idea fram.

@marcdavis1728 4 жыл бұрын

ESCO makes a bead breaker tool there are other makes as well but I bought the ESCO brand are they expensive yes, but it sure beats the duck bill hammer or bead chisel that I have as well. I paid 500 dollars for the esco bead breaker years ago so not sure what they sell for now. What a life saver though. The one I have is rated for a air gun but you can use a hand tool or cordless impact. I have used it on tractor tires, truck tires ( steel wheels) and impliment tires. I highly recomend it well worth the investment. I would buy one again if needed. 👍

@JamesCouch777 4 жыл бұрын

The tractor bucket method of breaking down a tire works great but you usually still have to beat the bead down manually. The bucket just helps with the process.

@toddsherfey3652 4 жыл бұрын

Instead of a fence , here in Ky we call it a tailgate . and ours were never that tall because around here it would have trouble going in some of the barns. I like the dump bed that would come in handy. Also we would drive up on the side of a tire to break it down. God speed

@garyfeltus9801 4 жыл бұрын

That dump wagon was.perty cool. Never had seen one before.

@dcct1905 4 жыл бұрын

That’s a first for me too! I wish it was mine.

@warny835 4 жыл бұрын

The running gear is from a forage wagon.

@johnsadler8637 4 жыл бұрын

I think Warren is right. A tilt bed would eliminate the need for drag chains and bars to pull silage out in the trench/pit.

@dwightl5863 4 жыл бұрын

@@johnsadler8637 Ok for a pit but not for filling a silo.

@johnsadler8637 4 жыл бұрын

@Dwight L - correct. I’m familiar with pits, but not silos. Do the silos work best with automatic drags? We pulled our drags out with another tractor.

@denhackle8020 3 жыл бұрын

Your ''old'' hay wagon is now a keeper ;-)

@bradleyschneider3871 4 жыл бұрын

Back when I was a kid I worked for a farmer he made me hook up to two hay wagons and on purpose made me try and back them up hooked together needless to say I couldn't do it but it learned me a lesson of backing up trailers in my future..its the hardest thing to back up 2 trailers hooked together using a tractor..the video reminded me of this when you pushed the trailer backwards at the end of the video..

@mikenicholas5218 4 жыл бұрын

I would suggest adding an additional horizontal bracket even with the top of the wagon. Too much pressure for just one bracket. You can always bale, let the hay fall on the wagon until one bale falls off and then go back and stack what is on the wagon and on the shoot. It is easier than picking it up off the ground.

@lylesmith1949 4 жыл бұрын

One more piece of equipment fixed! Way to go Evan.

@mrfredager 4 жыл бұрын

Hi If you decide to put removable sides and front,on it, an ideal manure tipper save a lot of shovel work, Mike in Thailand

@jeffreyhatmaker7254 4 жыл бұрын

Nice! I love the old tractor and wagon

@geofflangley1674 4 жыл бұрын

We had 5 of those trailers back in the 70's, the racks were held up by eye bolt in bed of trailer, on the rack was a hook on the end, you could take them on and off

@stanleyjohnston5876 4 жыл бұрын

You need to frame around the horizontal boards and put 45 degree bracing on each side. The wagon will last a long time. I would also paint it. You can change your own tires if you purchase a manual tire machine from Harbor Freight. Most farmers learn to make their own repairs. My father taught me a trade to carry throughout my career.

@davep5972 4 жыл бұрын

Great job Evan this channel is the best. Just great content never miss a video

@robertlong7033 4 жыл бұрын

I would highly recommend that you replace all 4 tires. Nothing worse than blowing a tire with a full load of hay on it whether you're out in the field or pulling that load down the road.

@horseblinderson4747 3 жыл бұрын

You're really doing good man thanks. Good to see you solo stacking em anyway. Couple more tweaks and you'll be an expert

@Me-ov9nw 4 жыл бұрын

Great job, the hay wagon looks good as new!😃 love the tilt feature, that'll come in handy!

@olddawgdreaming5715 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing with us Evan, you’ll find lots of uses for the dump hay wagon around your homestead !!👍👍So glad the hydraulics worked for you. Fred.

@michaelshea4372 4 жыл бұрын

You can break beads that way but it’s easier if you put the tire against something solid like a tree or telephone pole. Tip it up on end just as it would be on the hub. I change rear tires and tubes on tractors that way while their still on the tractor. Take out the core and let her go flat. Weight holds the bottom while you push with the bucket on the side or wherever you can get access

@c50ge 3 жыл бұрын

Now that you have the hoist hooked up it’s ready for a hayride!

@markeholbrook 4 жыл бұрын

Put a little bevel on the bottom of the post all around, it'll go in easier.

@trevorslater2746 3 жыл бұрын

Might be harder to release when its wet and swells up the 2x4s

@ArmpitStudios 3 жыл бұрын

My thought exactly. Really just need a tiny bevel on the back and inside edges where it makes contact with the brackets.

@patwanner1781 4 жыл бұрын

Love the hay wagon🌻

@michaelbobbiharris2587 4 жыл бұрын

Good video

@piledriver141 4 жыл бұрын

You should not need the standard (if) you tie in ( cross stack)your bales as you go.Im 60 now we put 50 bales in a regular pickup truck from field to barn, no ropes or tiedowns necessary

@robertheinkel6225 3 жыл бұрын

None of our hay wagons had anything to stack against. We would cross stack the back and front rows only, averaging 72 bales per load. The first thing you learned as the loader, was how to stack properly. Our fields were hilly. Unloading was a breeze. We eventually went to a bale thrower. What a pain unloading those wagons.