Flag was fkn insane, I got to see Keith and Dez sing in the same night nothing will ever compare to that

Raymond Pettibon should have the rights to the logo, he designed the damn thing. Let's just have a Black Flag reunion with everyone besides Ginn.

Ginns solos and fills are insane. Dude can fly on that thing; very accurately. He could have been one of the greats if he had given a shit .

Ulrich and ginn should start a band “The lawsuiters” Maybe gene simmons on bass

I always thought flag should’ve went by a different name maybe panic like their original name before black flag

FLAG is Black Flag. This Black Flag of 2022-23 is not Black Flag it's the Greg Ginn band 😂

I've been on a bit of an SST nostalgia trip (thanks in part to the recent book SST Corporate Rock Still sucks and the You Don't Know Mojack podcast). Greg Ginn is at once both one of the most legendary guitarists & figures in punk rock as well as one of the biggest jerks. The Mojack podcast is two Canadian buddies going through each SST release one by one and discussing them. They have interviewed people from those bands, which has been fascinating. But one of the biggest takeaways is that SST has screwed over so many of their artists. SST hasn't done proper reissues. SST clearly hasn't paid royalties to artists. SST won't relinquish rights to long out of print albums to the bands. The label went from being the most important underground label of the 80s to a joke. A few bands have been able to wrestle back their music (Meat Puppets, for instance), but many haven't. And it's a shame, because bands like Angst deserve a proper reissue treatment. Anyhow, I saw that 2013 lineup of Black Flag and the only reason I went was that I'm acquainted with Dave Klein. Ron Reyes is right: Dave is a great dude. He's currently playing in band with Chad Price from ALL. Anyhow, Ginn had a 7 minute long theremin solo and the crowd totally checked out. Absolutely abysmal.

That My War video of FLAG at the Moose Lodge, I was there, 9 years ago yesterday. It was one of the greatest nights of my life.

Never anything worse in this world than members of once great punk bands suing each other...

Great vid. I saw the reformed Black Flag at their Sydney show in 2013 and the whole thing had a weird, unpleasant vibe to it. Ironically with Ron singing they sounded great but the bad 'only after the $' vibe soured everything

Another member of a band that has been heavily alienating members of his band for the past 40 years is Andrew Eldritch of the sisters of mercy.

I respect Ginn's contribution regarding all the great music and vision he provided in the 80s. But if he believes the band he's playing in currently is "Black Flag" , then he's full of it. It's nothing but a cover band with him playing guitar in it. That being said, "FLAG" is a closer tribute band to the actual Black Flag. But in my opinion, and being a huge BF listener as a teenager in the mid-80s to present (I'm 53 now), the real Black Flag died in 1986 and never returned. What we have are two cover bands where the members are too old and are trying to pathetically re-live the great youthful angst of Black Flag, which can never be because of age. I thank Greg Ginn for making the mighty Black Flag. But at the same time, I want to kick him for the BS of using the name again, when it's not Black Flag anymore.

Thank you for mentioning Pet Sounds, nothing compares to the brilliance of Brian Wilson.

Interesting video, thanks for sharing. Taking nothing away from Ginn as a guitarist and a songwriter, he has zero stage presence and the current line up shows that in full force! Without Rollins, Cadena, Morris, Stephenson and the Duke, Black Flag likely wouldn’t have been the iconic band they are today. I’m no lawyer, I’m just a fan. And having seen Flag many times since 2013, I can tell you that those guys absolutely rock. And while many may disagree, Stephen Egerton is a better and more charismatic guitarist than Ginn IMO.

I got to see Ginn Flag in 2013 (or was it 14?). I'd been a fan since I was 12 of the groupm and I got into them in 1990 so you do the math lol. Anyway, to say it was a dissapointment was an understatement. Ginn just didn't sound that good, Valley was a poor clone of Rollins, and..Something just didn't seem right. Anticlimactic is the word I'd use. Later, I saw "Flag" clips on KZfaq (I'll call it "Chuck Flag") that blew Ginn Flag the fuck away 100 fold in energy and enthusiasm. I thought even Ginn's own instrumental thing before the BlacK Flag performance was better, and that's saying something. People think Pot isn't a drug, but it is, and I'm pro legalization, but the excessive use has definitely fucked up Ginn's brain, period, and his Ego is the size of the state he calls home now obviously.

Nice work man! I enjoyed your video!

This sounds nuttier then when the Dead Kennedys got back together.

I had always heard that Ginn and Pettibone had a huge falling out over the original Black Flag artwork. Along the lines of, it might not have been originally used for them, but brothers being brothers, things were borrowed and used… sibling BS. He’s an artist, pay him money and you’ll get artwork from him! He’s awesome.

two different versions of the band Yes, in the eighties as well. Which is fascinating, since they did an album TOGETHER called "Union".

Black flag my first love discovered them when i bought the decline of western civilization cassette and my first record was jealous again

I thought this was made by a much larger channel, this is great you deserve more subs!!!

I went and saw Black Flag with Ron Reyes in Des Moines in 2013. I had a good time obviously, but it was definitely not some sort of incredible performance. I wasn't quite aware beforehand that Ginn's ensemble was literally just his opening band, with Mike Vallely swapped out with Reyes. The infamous theremin made an appearance.

KEITH MORRIS DESERVES MORE CREDIT & RESPECT.He gets it hugely from those of us who Know. But the man is the MAN.🌹

please keep making vids they're really good

Flag is epic. this new black flag... I havent even heard them, not sure I want to.

this is one of the reasons i love living in california... i got to see FLAG at the GV3O show by pure luck. a friend couldnt go, gave me the tix and 20 minutes later as i was looking for a ride... another friend called me freaking out seeing on facebook about flag playing at the GV30. we drove down, got in and the greatest 8 minutes of my punk life happened, then again later at PRB... but thats a different story

¡¡¡Black flag!!! Amazing

To me, it’s obvious Greg Ginn has something wrong with him. It comes off like an intense mental health problem. And it’s shown no signs of improvement. Hopefully, he can see the light someday, but in mine and probably all of our opinions, Flag is excellent.

Greg Ginn is and was Black Flag.

Whos got the 10 and a half is an amazing live record

I will admit the most recent flag record sounds strange and far from anything they did before but I personally enjoyed a somewhat return to hardcore punk the album offered

Really, really great work man. My guess is that Flag can’t use the 4 bars logo if they bars are white or black. That’s just me throwing out a guess.

i found it amusing that black flag and off! are both names of bug repellant...

Hey Going On Record, here's an idea for a subject you might want to cover, that being the interrelationship between the current incarnations of Big Country and The Skids, which just happen to share guitarists with the father/son duo of Bruce and Jamie Watson; just thought I'd put it out for your perusal.....

I saw both within a few weeks of each other in 2013. Flag had several openers, and then these (let’s face it) old men came out and wiped the floor with them in the best way. Every note, every vocal, every drum beat PUNCHED with ferocity and energy that belied their age. I walked out of the Troc in Philly that night sore, raspy, drenched in sweat, and the happiest guy. Several weeks later, the ORIGINAL Black Flag (as all of the advertising said) came through the Union Transfer, also in Philly. I think there might have been an opener or two, but then Ginn’s other band Good For You got up there and played a 90 minute set. It was terrible. Boring, whiny stuff I’ve heard from a million bands. If it weren’t for a punk rock legend being in the band, they wouldn’t have graduated from busking on the sidewalk. After that, they (including Mike V, who was not on stage) took a long break between sets to walk around the crowd, saying hello to everyone and fishing for compliments for that pablum, taking selfies and signing autographs. I had my chance to meet and shake hands with him and I passed it up because I HATED that set. I’ve met Henry, Keith, Bill, Chuck, Dez (a number of times), and Robo, and I would have jumped at the opportunity before that set to meet Greg. After all, Black Flag is one of my favorite bands. After an interminable amount of time, the same band came out, with Chavo, and they went into a half-hearted, slowed down rehearsal version of some classic Black Flag songs. Chavo gave it his ALL, interacting with the fans, singing his heart out, while Greg couldn’t be bothered. It’s like he didn’t want to be there. I was so disgusted and annoyed that when they went into the closer, Louie Louie, I leftie leftie. The only two good things about the whole experience was seeing Chavo, and shirts were only $10. Flag, and a decade earlier Rollins Band doing BF songs, were closer to the Black Flag experience than Ginn’s. Honestly, Greg, if you don’t want to play Black Flag, then fucking don’t.

Am I the only one who only liked the Keith Morris version of Black Flag? I like Henry as a person but never liked most of his BF songs.

Introducing Henry as the star of Jack Frost, AND Black Flag’s lead singer is one of the best parts of this video

i just saw "black flag" for the first time recently in chicago and I wasn't aware of too much of this beforehand. The music didn't really sound bad to me, but regardless, i immediately could tell the turnout was noticeably bad, the energy of the band nor the crowd ever picked up, and i was out of there well before the end of the set.

Personally, I thoroughly enjoyed Black Flag in 83 and 84 when they changed my life & got me into punk rock. I also thoroughly enjoyed Black Flag in 2019 at the sold out shows in Austin and Dallas. They were incredible, all the bullshit, personal, legal stuff aside, which I don't give a fuck about. What it comes down to, for me, is the song. Hearing/seeing Ginn and Mike & the others performing these songs I love...to perfection...was beyond surreal, magnificent, and spectacular. The band was MUCH better live than the videos I'd seen. They played nothing from "What The," which actually has a few songs I like, though they're too long. And the cover does suck.

Keith mentioned in my damage that when they tried to put together a reunion show he was about it. But ginn said the sun's were recorded too fast and they need to slow the tracks down

I saw Black Flag in 2013 with Good For You opening up (Mike V's band)...I was impressed with Black Flag until Greg brought out a theremin...I didn't get it..but whatever...I didn't think much of Mike V's band..and now that he's the singer for BF....I think he's trying to channel Henry Rollins and not doing a good job.

This is just like Cro-Mags vs Cro-MagsJM.... it's all so petty and just pathetic. It boils down to a sense pride and an unwillingness to shift in stance over the past. It's not the first, and certainly wont be the last time a great band has a great feud fueled by ego's, backstabbing and resentment.

Flag was awesome live IIII saw them at the Denver Riot Fest! Ginn is a prick

Don't forget the Cro-Mags

Ginn was in the right. It was his songs, his band. Thats why black flag sounded great no matter who fronted the band. The band went through four different vocalists and every one of them was replacable. All of them "sold out" one way or another throughout their careers. The former members only cared about cashing in on the brand and it was easy to get fans on their side because ginn is not a likeable dude. Punk/hardcore whatever you want to call it was never meant to be like this. Reunion shows, deluxe rereleases, reliving the glory days. That was the lifestyle for the former bloated rockstars that they replaced.

I might have been able to accept Mike V. as the vocalist of a later-day version of Black Flag. I mean, why not? But he disqualified himself permanently with his stunt in Australia, "firing" Ron Reyes onstage in the middle of a live show. There is no previous singer of Black Flag who would have EVER done something like that to another singer from Black Flag. There is too much mutual respect. It's a brotherhood, and Mike V. will never be part of that. He's the singer in a Black Flag cover band.

I dunno, am I wrong, but as a huge Black Flag fan back in the early 80's I've not to this day been slightly interested in hearing Greg Ginn's new version. I saw a little live footage, I think, but have never been interested in hearing the album. Maybe I should check it out? But seeing Flag had formed, and then seeing their video from the Moose Lodge, etc., I was totally into that and would love to see them. Also OFF! do it really well and I'd love to see them (I was dubious at first). It's about having that really kick-loose, edgy vibe, somehow I just knew that Ginn had lost it years ago. Not that that means his music has no place, but it's not for me, and not what Black Flag was back then. Already when they split in the 80's they'd probably drifted into something far too controlled to be essential to me, though I kept on listening, but now... But Flag, and OFF!, they somehow have kept that core freedom and no bullshit that was at the core of it.

Every band that has ever been on SST should sue Ginn for never getting paid any royalties 😆

I love Black Flag, they changed my life back in '85 when I first heard them (then they broke up😂). I've seen each tour since the restart and the 2013 gig was one of the weirdest shows I've ever seen. I think Reyes was out a few days later. I will say, as a noise rocker, there was something perverse about it that I really enjoyed. The latest iterations have been great, provides you like Greg's corroded guitar style (at 70, he really doesn't care if he just makes some noise on e and a while). That said, Greg is a creep who could have been one of the heroes of the movement but he ruined it. (Side note: neither of those kids in the rhythm section are still with the band, their drummer on these 2023/24 My War gigs may be the best they've had since Stevenson)

just saw Greg's Black Flag last night with the Dickies and tsol his version of Black Flag needs to stop right now people start leaving after the third song so slow weak and lackluster

I haven't cared about "punk hardcore" since 1994. With that said,you did an excellent job with your video.

Greg once decided to storm down the hallway of the SST house and just steal Raymond's artwork from his room, said "These are mine," and kicked him out. There's a great video somewhere that opens with Pettibon painting the bars on a wall in his studio and saying, "My name is Raymond Pettibon and I came up with this fucking thing."

OFF! is a million times cooler a band than the mess that Ginn has turned Black Flag into.

Those quotes from ginns lawsuits are so funny to me

saw black flag at brandeis in 86. decent show.

i went to that FLAG tour. i think mostly what the lawsuit REALLY accomplished was 3 things: 1) Greg's ego will have him drunkenly screaming "I AM BLACK FLAG"....but everyone around him can say "legally no. you're not" before walking away leaving a pathetic broken mess of a man. real A Star Is Born shit. 2) FLAG will NEVER be more than a tribute band of just friends playing music together. sure they will draw a crowd at shows for quality, comradery, and authenticity...however it stops there. 3) a hard line was officially drawn in a public space between Greg (Black Flag) and literally everyone else who have their own projects. Keith starts every show a similar way he famously did in Decline Of Western Civilization. he states very clearly where the legal line is. oh, btw, Mike V has been one of the biggest professional skaters since the 80's. he was also in both The Hangover and he was one of the bad guys in Paul Blart: Mall Cop. summing up a career as a massively successful professional skater, and a movie star, down to JUST "idk, i guess he was in a Tony Hawk game or something" is a bit reductive. maybe for the Black Flag part of his life he's not a dude with much favor or integrity to pull which bums out a lot of people...but the dude has been around the alternative and punk/hardcore scene since before i was even born! i remember seeing his shitty thrash band Mike V and the Rats and then later in the day shred the half pipe on the Warped Tour back in the day. regardless of the Black Flag bullshit, or the fact that he's trying too hard to be Henry lite...but he will ALWAYS have my respect.

Black Flag ended in 1986. This new shit lineup is just a cover band with Greg Ginn on guitar. Ginn should have left the band's name untarnished, but I and many others, don't consider these new dipshits as being Black Flag.

Why do you keep dropping the end of "Mike's" name?!

The two different versions of cro-mags could be a series of videos.

Gotta keep up on your trademarks.

I chose a side, Flag.

His name isn't Mike Valley, it's Vallely

Rare opinion here: the music on What The is actually pretty great. It's got a horrendously bad cover and a weird mix - the drums and to a lesser degree vocals drowned out by Greg's guitar and bass. But there's worse drum mixes on loads of classic punk albums. The guitars and bass are vicious and Ron's vocals suit them well. I suspect if the album had a Raymond Pettibone cover, it would be widely acclaimed as a challenging return to form. Too bad Greg seems to have screwed and alienated so many collaborators in Black Flag and SST 'cause he's a ground-breaking genius whose positive influence on punk and DIY rock can't really be overstated.

To be clear Mike Vallely I'd a skateboarding legend and also one of the original punk pro skaterboarders.

There were two Queensryches for a while too…

It's weird because the Dead Kennedys have the same story as Flag. Yet everyone hates Ginn but still loves Jello.

I saw most incarnations of the reunions, i personally liked them all for different reasons, mainly, merting my idols and asking questions most interviewers don't, and they liked my questions, which will one day be repeated in print fir my zine ince I am ready. I did miss ROLLINS/GARFIELD's version in ROLLINS BAND doing a set too, before HENRY retired from playing for good. I dig on GOOD FOR YOU, GINN AND VALLELY's band together, mainly for "KNIFE TO THE FACE" I think it is, might go play it just to remind myself to edit if wrong. I dig RON REYES singing, and saw them at REGGIE'S Shitcago. RON was very nice and personable, signed a few choice LPs, and i bought most of their catalog reissues for only $10. Saw them year later with BRANDON PERTZBORN and TYLER SMITH on BRANDON'S 19TH birthday, ge was technically still 18 when he played, turning 19 at midnight, during their set, and they managed to know the time and had a brief birthday song celebration. They signed my albums, except TYLER SMITH, tho he signed my PUNK NEVER DIES! Shirt, GREG GINN bring first to do so, as a challenge to my mother to make it a "cool shirt" in its torn and ratty ass dress shirt, as both my mother called it, and MIKE VALLELY echoing her sentiment. I had to talk him into it, and you could barely read it cuz my Sharpie was used by everyone else in the BrauerHouse in Lombard, so much so, singer of VIRGIN WHORES signed over it. MIKE resigned it in its four year exactly to the date retired state, at a double set show again at REGGIE'S Shitcago, where I made a handshake dral to do licensed merch ising a 3D printer that I am still trying to figure out how to complete, as I also have one with BLAG doing DWARVES. I was allowed to record the double set, but the first set i was to close to JOE and his bass wreaked havoc on my devices, plus REGGIE'S security said i couldn't setup without permission, and I told them i was friends to a distant point with them, and they should ask since i do it for free and give copies to the band at next show I catch them. MIKE VALLELY abd GREG GINN agreed, but fans by me heard this all go down, and yelled into my recorders all night, ruining the revordings worse than they already were. I set up center stage for 2nd set, got pummeled for it, but worth it, as they were tighter, and I was in the sweet spot, so you can actually hear GINN on lead guitar, and bass not overbearing. I later gave MIKE those recordings at a St. Bernard show, MO, at Diamond Billiards and Music Hall. Soundcheck was great, but soundguy added reverb to vox, left for half the set, and man, was MIKE VALLELY Livid about it, but once that was turned off, sounded great. I am planning on recording them next year for the MY WAR LP entirety set, and hopefully have a laptop to transfer files instantly so he then has everything. They have been extremely kind to me, each time, and signed all three of my PUNK NEVER DIES!-!!! Shirts. FLAG: Saw them at RiptOffFest Shitcago, great, epic. Best thing i ever saw that night, hands down, unless same night i saw IGGY AND THE STOOGES reunion, which think was following night, and barely able to keep my right show a guy stepped on and it completely came off, and I managed to find it again using my socked foot, shoved it in halfway, and planted myself, til that insanity was over, but that's a whole other story in itself. Saw FLAG three times later, at PRB when I saw JELLO sing with THE EXPLOITED, who then allowed whomever on stage to sing "Sex And Violence" so I asked security if i could get up there too, and was allowed. I sang half with the crowd and band, but took the opportunity to visit with JELLO BIAFRA, and asked him to sign it, to which he wanted the whole backstory first, how all these signatures were on it, who started it all for me, and why, while he said he was thinking of what to write. He helped give my book it better title, "PUNK NEVER DIES!...But It Should, So It Can Be Reborn"-JELLO BIAFRA. Since he loved that it all started with GREG GINN, he asked if I wanted to get introduced to CHUCK DUKOWSKI, whom was backstage to the right. Yes, please and thank YOU. Bam, I was introduced, CHUCK looked mad to be asked, and wrote huge, across the middle and over least 20 signatures, CHUCK DUKOWSKI. He was the only one around, rest were on other side, and they didn't wait kong to play, so i left to go watch it, as security didn't want me back there, and JELLO disappeared after the introduction. 2nd time, same tour, in a way, FUBAR ST LOUIS, they hung out afterwards, DEZ CADENA even gave us all press pack picture of him from his days as singer, signed it for all of us who stuck around, and invited me back to meet the rest. They all told me their stories of how they all had beaten Death in their own ways, BILL STEVENSON showed me hos brain surgery scar to remove a huge tumor they said should have killed him. I asked CHUCK DUKOWSKI if he was always their original bassist, wnd he said yes, cuz GINN said he would bury the hatchet if I could find him his original bassist, whom was not CHUCK, nor his brother RAYMOND. I later learned from KEITH MORRIS that he must have been referring to SPOT, or possibly KANSAS, as KEITH calls him, but this only really pisses CHUCK off, and he said he would play a festival for me, but not if GINN was also going to be playing, chose a side. I chose FLAG, but my entire budget was what their agent asked for, also being $10k higher than they got to play for PRB, and this was to be my first ever ILL ANNOY U, C FEST, and my venue blew off an already booked gig BONEYARD ARTS FESTIVAL who paid them, so the guy who promised me the dates for my festival was fired, and the venue tried becoming a BLUES BBQ restaurant and bar venue, and folded within 5 months. Met FLAG again after seeing CHUCK on the street buting humself his new red hat he often still wears, and we hung out again afterwards. FLAG was way better intensity and representation of the original songs, 4/5 were original members, and seeing how MIKE VALLELY tries to sing like ROLLINS era BF, I kinda saw and met every version, without knowing ROLLINS BAND was touring in 2014 doing hos own second small set of his favorite tracks, or would be able to say I truly saw every version. I didn't meet DAVE KLEIN or the bassist used in 2013, REGGIE'S kicked everyone out shortly after they started coming out. I hadn't started my shirt yet, so RON REYES signed only a few LPs and my "Wasted...Again" CD and original "IN MY HEAD" LP. I am now friends with KIRA, talk to RAYMOND PETTIBON, who said he might do an album cover for me, but I will just have to wait and see if fortune continues to shine on my broke ass punk shitass. I love BLACK FLAG, "THE FIRST FOUR YEARS E.P." was my introduction, and my mother hated the CD being played on repeat so much, she threatened to break it, but I explained it belonged to SLOTH, a friend of mine she hated yet feared, and when i said if she broke it, I would have to explain why I can't retirn it to him, tho he was trying to sell it to me, and I bought it without her knowing, abd that before he killed me for it, I was going to insist he kill my mother first and let me watch. She was reluctant to break it, kinda gave me a further distance from that day forward, tho then took to confiscate any punk rock and metal shirts, badges, and albums and claimed to theow them away, but I knew her stash spots under her bed, in her sewing machine, wardrobe in basement, and reclaimed most. I safety pinned a METALLICA T-shirt she ripped in half, then she found it in my drawer, tore it into one inch or smaller pieces, and left it with a note, Try safery pinning it back together now, you Disrespectful Little Shit, her nickname for me. She is Princess Petty Debbie, and I call myself a SonOfACunt in front of her when I wrote myself outta any will by doubling down to say I am not proud to be an offspring of her White Privileged Racist Cunt and my rapist father, when they tried evicting me during the Pandemic for coming out as bisexual. We will soon have our own day in court. MISFITS are another lawsuit band, and i always felt JERRY should have called his version, THE ONLY MISFITS, cuz he is the only really nice one out of the "OG Misfits" and GD sent ne three C&D letters, and refused to pay or help my buddy JOEY IMAGE with his liver dialysis treatments, then sold a signed HORROR BUSINESS immediately following his Death thru AtomAge for $2K, and a bunch of other super rare shit, and posted the numbers officially of the rarities of each release, ballooning their marketvalue where "She/Cough Cool" 7" on Blank now sells for $10,600+. I lost more respect when he made me remove a Friends of Joey Image Fakebook group invite post in 7th House, saying it didn't belong? JOEY drummed on most of my favorite tracks, so I might soon sell off my records and buy represses once I move to Oregon so no state taxes go to ILL ANNOY IRS, who put me outta both my businesses over $323 after paid them $100 and applied for a hardship when both my vehicles were declared total losses 5 days apart, Prius caught hybrid battey on fire with me in it in my driveway, I next day got a letter from hospital stating my ribcage was entirely fractured from multuple falls on deliveries in concrete jungle for GRUB HUB, DOORDASH, & UBEREATS, and another likely would kill me if landed on my back again. Only worked and earned $45 this year working VD!

I saw the first show of the reunion in Austin. Awful.

I have a Black Flag tat!!! Did it myself with a homemade gun from a cassette player! I LOVE THE BAND!!!! Greg Ginn though!? Just like his choice on that LP cover!? He ruined the band with his stupid choices. He is a jerk and has been the BIG REASON why there'll NEVER be a rad reunion show of BLACK FLAG! hes a shady sheister!

Pet Sounds is a bad album cover?

My man it’s Vah lay ley Mike Va Lay Ley Valaley

Ginns’ Solo Stuff Is Really Underrated & Great, the Heart/Brain of Black Flag. That Being Said, He Fucked Up By Letting the Logos & Trademarks Go By the Wayside.

Greg is right

It's not Mike Valley......ugh

FLAG! FUCK YEAH

Both versions are a fucking joke regardless. Greg's new one is spinal tap 2.0, and Flag were great sounding... but ffs I hate reformed- reunions etc etc...just a cash cow

Pet Sounds.. ? Magical Mystery Tour has a *bad* album cover???? Alright, Im out of here.

Only the time before Rollins Was good

My favorite singer was kieth

Kieth Morristhe original singer who left & stsrted Yhe Circle Jerks snd Rolllins took over as the singer now kieth is with OFF he us a LEGEND of Punk IMO seems way cool but I have not met him. Wish I knew Dan Root played with him maybe I could have met him then, Dan played my Friday night a few times with Oe Hit Wonder from Long Beach we were not close but friendsit would have been a great oart of my life to meet him likethe night I MET lemmyKILMISTER AND SPOKE WITH H=HIM FOR AB HOUR LIKE FRIENDS AT A TOPLESS BAR i sugested backstage tohis request for someplace near there going on better than thi! i WILL NOT FOGET HIM SAYING TO ME i WAS SMART IT WAS VERY NICE TALKING TO SOMEONE LIKE ME WHO KNOWS WHAT IS REALY GOING ON rip lEMMY kILMISTER/iAN fRASER/NICKNAMED gOD FORA GOOD REASON hE LOVED HIS FANS AND PLAYED TILL THE END FOR KEEPING HIM DOING WHAT HE LIKED MAKING AND PERFORMING KUSIC WITH mOTORHEAD! hE WAS HAPPY TO HEAR ME SAY i THOGHT mOTORHEAD HAD A GOODD pUNK OCK SOUND TOO hE SAID hE LIKES TO PLAY HIS WAY AND THAT IS WHAT pUNK rOCK IS ALL ABOUT! HE WAS SMRT & A GOOD mORALED MAN i DO BELIEVE IS IN THE BETTER PLACE AND WILL BE HEARD FOR S LONG AS i CAN IMAGINE LONG LIVE ALRMMYS MUSIC AND THE WAY HE WAS! i SUSPECT kEITH WOULD BE A SIMILAR GREAT EXPERIENCE MEETING HIM!

Valley? 🤔

Vallely*

Holy CRAP make sure you turn the playback speed up to AT LEAST 1.5 THIS dude talks SO fking slow

MINOR THREAT

its not mike valley. its mike vallely. cmon

BAD BRAINS

I don't think it's pronounced Mike "Valley".

Black Flag was great. In the beginning. Keith/Ron/Dez shows were electric. When Henry joined, it was never the same. If you only saw Black Flag after the early to mid 80’s, you saw crap. Better bands took over the SoCal scene at that point. And this modern-day flag is a total f’ing joke. They all suck.

Shouldn't it be Flag vs. Black Flag?

Yawn Ginn is right his shit they stole it ... lol Hollywood Henry and his sidekick Morris

Gregs turned into Gene Simmons and Rollins was cringe af.

FLAG was the better band. Bill Chuck Stephen Keith Dez.

Mike who?

Here's the thing...punk rock is, by definition, for young people. It should not be for old and fat fucks. Old and fat fucks can still make music, but they need to make new music that reflects their current circumstances. Playing the hits from 1980 is total bullshit. I fucking hate it. If you saw Black Flag beyond 1986, you were wasting your time. It was over, done, and thus is as it should be. Nothing lasts forever except old people looking to reclaim old glory due to bad money management. Look at John Doe in 2022. The man has a folk trio and is putting out beautiful new and original music. Is he touring with X? Yes, but even X put out an album very recently and created GOOD new music. They can be proud of that.

Flag>black flag

Yeah but Magical Mystery Tour is actually a great album cover. What the? is absolute trash.

You're using iconic as a crutch word

Dude brought up vallely as if he was from a video game? Do some research. Mike v is a legend and a pioneer in skateboarding and being a positive force in the community, wherever he resides.

Current lineup . Lol

CIRCLE JERKS