Flair 58 Review | With Valve Plunger!
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Flair has long been a key competitor in the manual espresso machine market, with past offerings such as the Flair Pro 2, Neo, and Classic. But with the introduction of the newest release, the Flair 58, they have taken the world by storm. Improving not only on the espresso quality of past machines, but also the workflow and convenience. In this review, we will dive deep into the Flair 58, and help you decide if it is the right espresso system for you!
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0:00 - Intro
0:51 - Build Quality / Design
2:42 - User Experience
5:21 - Espresso Quality
8:09 - Valve Plunger Workflow
8:52 - Should you buy it?
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
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@Andrew-wp1bz 2 жыл бұрын
Giveaway link doesn’t seem to be working. First it takes you to the giveaway site, and then the page immediately reloads to the front page.
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Try copying it straight into your browser Andrew. It seems to be working fine for everyone else :)
@calvink28 2 жыл бұрын
Giveaway link worked fine initially. After I have completed all the entries, it behaves exactly like what Andrew had described.
@jwanger142 2 жыл бұрын
Was there a winner picked?
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! It was announced on Tuesday, a lucky gentleman by the name of Camilo Moreno
@ITWorksSoftware 2 жыл бұрын
Best review I've seen so far, you even mentioned the height of the arm. I had to put mine on the small "island" section of my counter instead of under the cabinets; something to consider if you're thinking of getting one, but I'm so loving it!
@sticky494 2 жыл бұрын
Dammit now I really REALLY want one. Before I just really wanted one ahahaha
@balalalala13 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your work. It is terrific. Now I know the usefulness of the additional basket model. Love the 58!
@erwinjosue5437 2 жыл бұрын
Ahh…Flair 58, one of best manual lever espresso machine ever made. Every shot is very satisfying to watch.
@seymour5000000 Жыл бұрын
I have the original Neo flair. It’s fun but a lot of steps for small yield of coffee. I’m between a boiler machine and the flair 58+. Thank you for confirming my suspicions that the 58 is the next best step for me.
@123marijn321 2 жыл бұрын
It’s such a great machine! When I have friends over they always want to try to pull their own shot, it’s such a conversation starter :)
@breakdancerQ Жыл бұрын
@@Batwam0 in that case I'd say no
@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын
Really great breakdown! I've been curious about one of these for a while, but I love milk based drinks 😍
@TomJones-tx7pb 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review that covers all the pros and cons of this machine that I am aware of.
@brianharder7714 Жыл бұрын
I'm a few weeks in and I have no disagreements with your review. I'm a bit new to the espresso game although I dabbled a few years back with the ROK. The Flair 58 is a dream. My only complaint, albeit a small one, is that the plunger has a tendency to rotate slightly, creep if you will, with each shot pulled. Eventually, the slot lines up with the lever interface and it disengages. Sometimes that happens on the upstroke and sometimes the whole thing falls out when you remove the portafilter. Flair provides a key to rotate the plunger from time to time to keep this from happening but you have to keep your eye on it every few days, depending upon how many shots you pull.
@ozpain1 Жыл бұрын
Just received mine a couple of days ago and am quite shocked to say the least. First shot pulled was great. Better than what I was pulling on my QM (which admittedly made me a bit sad).
@timmarshall4881 2 жыл бұрын
A well done review. My thanks
@mikegurv1818 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful review.
@rusty9501 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve had this awesome beast on my kitchen counter for a month now. Highly recommend this model if you love the brewing process, like to experiment and enjoy espresso!
@stevenmacinnis6364 2 жыл бұрын
Entered the competition, I am excited to get into the world of expresso! Thanks for the video :)
@marcinwojcik6622 2 жыл бұрын
I use Flair 58 for 6 months now and Im still amazed...
@maxmaximus2608 2 жыл бұрын
Design & utility… beautiful!
@awint123 2 жыл бұрын
This is my dream machine
@martinmanzi1830 2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah!! Thanks for this giveaway...those levers seem to have something special to my eyes
@Nokma99 2 жыл бұрын
Love the video!! will you review the rancilio silvia pro x?
@amiraloves04 2 жыл бұрын
Such a cool looking machine! Nice to learn that the espresso it makes matches up
@pantac4493 2 жыл бұрын
It’s good, you have more control than a automatic machine. They will be making a milk steamer in the future
@ChristopherMichaelR Жыл бұрын
I picked one up today because of the labor day sale. Ultimately im picking one up because of my journey into light roasts. I've found the need to have pressure profiling. I have a modded gaggia classic at 6.5bar, bambino plus w/ dimmer mod, and picopresso. I liked pulling shots on the pico but hated the workflow. I was getting significantly better shots than the GC and BP. I was getting a lot more nuance even though i had less control. The bambino just doesn't get hot enough for light roasted coffees. But I had great success with medium or dark roasted coffees. Because of that, it is on the chopping block. To be straight, there are some light roasts that need to have that control. Hitting the puck at straight 6.5 bar and going 1:2 or 1:3 doesn't taste as good as the pico. The only differences I can think of is the control of preinfusion and the flow control. edit: I mainly drink iced lattes so no need to steam milk really. I was contemplating about keeping the bambino plus as a milk steamer but most likely I will be selling it.
@Cenot4ph 2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking to upgrade from my pro2, this seems to be the best value for real 58mm espresso
@cascaderetriever7618 Жыл бұрын
Great video. What grinder should I pair with this purchase
@KhiGiaCoDon2010 2 жыл бұрын
I love it , i will buy it
@michaelroa1626 2 жыл бұрын
Try using your basket from your Decent espresso...am using a 22gm Decent basket and i find that am able to grind coarse than with stock hi flow basket. Excellent results.
@TC_Prof 2 жыл бұрын
Nice!! ❤❤❤
@Greg253d 2 жыл бұрын
In Australia there is only a $200 difference between this and a la pavoni, would love to see a comparison review on these two
@MrSimonj1970 2 жыл бұрын
Me too, the LPs seem like a neverending repair/upgrade project, this has a lot less to go wrong, but they are beautiful and milk steaming is a bonus.
@edipisreks5535 2 жыл бұрын
I love my Flair 58 (love my Pro 2, as well): it has a little bit of a learning curve, of course, but boy does it pull good shots. I combine it with a Bellman for lattes. Works great with my Acaia Luna (I use a Pyxis for my Pro2). VST or IMS scale helps a lot. I am probably going to get a Smart Pressure Profiler, which essentially gives it the same sort of control a Decent has, when combined with the Lunar.
@ed4008 2 жыл бұрын
Love the flair and would absolutely love to win one !!! Good luck everyone…
@PAD32 2 жыл бұрын
If they make a new version of this flair 58 with a better implementation of the heating element, I might be interested in switching to a manual espresso machine.. The power brick is an issue, but also that device for setting the temperature look like a joke, it needs to be less ugly and integrated in the body of the machine IMO.
@user-xn8fr3mx6d 8 ай бұрын
Great review. Thank You! Can you recommend a milk frother to go with the Flair 58 for making cappuccinos and lattes?
@LifestyleLab_ 8 ай бұрын
Nanofoamer is the best option hands down. Either the handheld, or the new Pro model is amazing too!
@balalalala13 Жыл бұрын
Can you tell us where to place a stick thermometer on the Flair 58?
@patrick8391 6 ай бұрын
What scales do u recommended
@balalalala13 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your work. What do you change in the brewing of a Flair 58 when you put a paper filter at the bottom of the basket?
@LifestyleLab_ Жыл бұрын
Mostly just grind finer :)
@lokalviral 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video man! Is it possible to use the pressure gauge in flair 58 to flair pro?
@lokalviral 2 жыл бұрын
Because I buy a pro stem without pressure gauge due to out of stock, and only the flair 58 pressure gauge that available
@ChinmayH Жыл бұрын
After watching a lot of KZfaq reviews. Gaggia classic with its temp limitations and hacks required, to breville and it’s 54 mm ports filter to finally Flair 58. I am intrigued by the manual design and the control. Waiting to receive it as this will be my first espresso. Thanks a lot for helping. Will the sette 270 work fine with this ? If you have one can you recommend grind size range for flair 58 ?
@brattingprincess Жыл бұрын
Yes sette is a great grinder.
@kevinhandy2490 2 жыл бұрын
Has the Niche been able to grind fine enough for all types of beans so far? My countertop has my current BBE, and I'd like to add the Niche. Eventually replace the BBE with the Flair 58. Still want to grind for filter as well. Am I on the right path or should I be considering other options still? (DF64). Thanks!
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Niche can handle it just fine
@elainechan7155 2 жыл бұрын
My inner coffee "snob" is screaming 🥰😂
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
The Flair 58 is certainly a "coffee snob" pleaser 😂
@jakevan1969 2 жыл бұрын
Great review. I would like to see a small standalone steamer that isn't too expensive to go with the Flair, preferably in black. I know some people with use their other machines or cheaper espresso machines for this purpose but it would be nice to have a matching set. Maybe Flair could come up with one?
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
I believe its something they've been working on for a while
@jakevan1969 2 жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ That would be amazing!
@FlairEspresso 2 жыл бұрын
@@jakevan1969 this might be the year!
@jakevan1969 2 жыл бұрын
@@FlairEspresso Exciting!
@chadgregory9037 2 жыл бұрын
@@FlairEspresso please do not be stove top
@JustinKieft 2 жыл бұрын
Great review! But can you please add the metric measurements as well?
@coreycannon4511 Жыл бұрын
Ditto
@mithunfan 2 жыл бұрын
have you tried the bellman steamer? would you recommend this + bellman as a replacement (of sorts...) for a machine?
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried one myself, however I've heard they work quite well. If you plan on making lots of milk drinks this is a good option, otherwise I'd even recommend something like the Nanofoamer for very occasional milk drinks
@mithunfan 2 жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks for the reply and the review. I have the nanofoamer and I have not managed to master it even after a few months :)
@adambreda7419 2 жыл бұрын
oh my god, i love this manual machine so much, a lot variable i can control with this beautiful flair 58!! im going to win this giveaway😬😬😬
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Love the confidence!
@DoumStorm 2 жыл бұрын
What's your thought on the Cafelat Robot in comparison ?
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer the espresso from the Flair, and MUCH prefer the workflow on the Flair
@back_to_the_bike8820 5 ай бұрын
Can I put an IMS 1 cup basket in the Flair? thanks! Which bluetooth scale do you use? Do you need a special application for Iphone or other smartphone?
@LifestyleLab_ 5 ай бұрын
Yes, you can put in whatever basket you like as it’s a standard 58 mm portafilter. The scale in this video is the Acaia lunar. The app being used is smart espresso profiler which is free.
@sjonesblue 2 жыл бұрын
Hello! Thanks for offering the Flair58 giveaway. I’m registered, and I’m going to win!!! Your channel, content, and presentation are enthralling and informative. Would you be willing to do a review of Flair’s Royal Grinder please? Thanks for all the good you do!
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Love the confidence!!! Thanks for watching, I'd love to get my hands on the Flair royal at some point
@Zer213000 Жыл бұрын
What’s the manual grinder recommended for flair 58 please
@LifestyleLab_ Жыл бұрын
1ZPresso K-Series
@SMspazzle 2 жыл бұрын
Have you found a side channeling problem with the flair 58. No matter what my puck prep the stream always tends to lean towards the handle side of the machine.
@FlairEspresso 2 жыл бұрын
this is not channeling, this is gravity. the flow heads down hill and when you're pressing a 9 BAR shot, you're tilting the brewing head down
@SMspazzle 2 жыл бұрын
@@FlairEspresso thanks for that I did consider it but was not sure. Appreciate it.
@wientv4419 2 жыл бұрын
Wish i can win one ... ❤❤❤❤❤
@RyanF91W 2 жыл бұрын
@9:34 how were you profiling the shot on your phone ?
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
The Acaia scale linked the the Smart Espresso Profiler app. Gives real-time data on flow rate or yield. Very cool!
@RyanF91W 2 жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ thank you 👍🏻
@ragsa789 2 жыл бұрын
Wishmeluck... flair😍😍😍😍
@Noob-rh4ni Жыл бұрын
Noob here. Which is better for newbie, Flair 58 or Gaggia Classic Pro? I already got the flair classic way back but i like the actual portafilter, automatic warmer and the easy retry (pulling out piston and refilling) for an upgrade. Gaggia is much expensive on my country (2x the price) although it have a steamer. Note i still making sour espresso (just starting to get into it) hahaha.
@LifestyleLab_ Жыл бұрын
It depends what grinder you’ll be pairing with it. The Flair 58 will be more depending on your grinder, but more forgiving on the user
@Noob-rh4ni Жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ i got Niche Zero comming in soon :)
@LifestyleLab_ Жыл бұрын
Then you’ll have more than fine to go with either :) If you’re okay with a manual workflow, and don’t need steaming, then I highly recommend the Flair 58
@Noob-rh4ni Жыл бұрын
Thanks man :) yeah thats the only down side for me, it doesn't have steamer or no cheap standalone steam wand available (plunger or wisk type not counted). Also if there's power outage you can still use the Flair hahaha. Hoping you can do a comparison episode of the 2 soon :) .
@hellsacolyte 2 жыл бұрын
As a person with some motor problems, do you think this would require too much pressure to pull? It’s hard to tell from videos how much actual effort using the arm takes.
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Tough to say indeed, I’d say you need to be able to push with at least 25lbs of pressure
@hellsacolyte 2 жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ Ok thanks! Also thanks for all the great videos! I have watched a LOT of them to help figure things out :D
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching :)
@jjorte2 Жыл бұрын
Hey, what grinder do you believe is the best one out there for an espresso lover without going into diminishing returns? Niche? Option-O P64? Odus? Varia? DF64?
@LifestyleLab_ Жыл бұрын
DF83 is probably a strong contender for best bang before diminishing returns buck. If you’re looking for a fully polished package, the Option-O P64 is arguably worth the money though
@jjorte2 Жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks for answering that’s very nice from you. In terms of espresso quality, which do you believe performs better between the P64 and the DF83? Just grinding performance for best cup quality to taste extremely light to medium specialty coffee
@LifestyleLab_ Жыл бұрын
As always with grinders, it’s going to depend mostly on burr choice. But if you’re into lighter to medium, then the larger burrs of the DF83 would be a fantastic choice for you
@jjorte2 Жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks a lot!
@veganpotterthevegan 2 жыл бұрын
Unlike the Robot(what I have), it's extremely easy to place something over those feet to use nearly any scale you have in your home
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Not as easy as you'd think. The base slants forward, giving an uneven surface if you just put something like a cutting board across
@veganpotterthevegan 2 жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ Been there done that, I just don't have one. Unless you're topping off your glass, it's not a problem
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Except scales need to be flat...
@veganpotterthevegan 2 жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ It's also easy enough to also have a small square of wood to clear the base, with a plank on top to widen it if it bothers anyone enough
@veganpotterthevegan 2 жыл бұрын
@SpontaneousRetard you think getting a block of wood is difficult? *Also, scales can be a little off level. Try yours. Weigh a glass on a book, then angle the book 5 degrees. You'll see less than 0.05g difference if your scale is accurate enough for that. It's not any worse than weighing something off center on a scale...something tons of people do on Robots if they don't have a scale that'll fit all the way under the portafilter
@drewksidetour Жыл бұрын
Where’s the Bluetooth scale from?
@LifestyleLab_ Жыл бұрын
That is the Acaia Lunar, but check for a full list of ones compatible if you don’t want to spend that much
@jeffrycia1609 2 жыл бұрын
Hope i can win one ... ❤❤❤❤❤
@carlossanchez8534 2 жыл бұрын
Do you know who won the flair 58 giveaway?
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
It was announced on Instagram! Camilo Moreno
@WickyFarms 2 жыл бұрын
feb 1st is my b-day!!
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Happy early Birthday!
@WickyFarms 2 жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks! Here is to hoping it is a GREAT birthday now LOL
@lubenzz 2 жыл бұрын
if only there was a matte black Niche! 👀
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Right!?! Specht Design is going to need to help me out with that one ;)
@lubenzz 2 жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ yes yes yes! Please do that. They do some awesome work, but all I've seen so far are other colors and not matte black. It would be really interesting to see how it's gonna look.
@ericanderson1753 2 жыл бұрын
Are you considering the Decent a “pump-driven machine” (when saying the shots from the 58 handily beat shots from any of your pump-driven machines)?
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
No, and I meant to put a little asterisk saying that. You can actually "record" a shot on the Flair 58, and then effectively "play back" the flow profile on the Decent 😮
@chadgregory9037 2 жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ I feel like certain "adult" companies could use that same tactic... by making sensors that humans can wear during a certain, thing... and then other "devices" could replay back the exact sequences chosen by the user. LOL I know that sounds like a joke, but I'm a data scientist.... whether it's happening already or not... one day in the future exactly what I described is 100% guaranteed to exist! All we need is the data and we can create controller programs for ANYTHING, and I mean ANYTHING = ]
@D4PPZ456 2 жыл бұрын
I would consider it more if someone had provided better options for detached milk steamers, but what's on the market atm is either over $1000 or is really inconvenient. Not sure why no one has thought to provide a detached, electric, steam wand in a compact, affordable, package, it shouldn't be that hard. It would make buying someone like the Flair a no-brainer for someone that also likes milk drinks.
@FlairEspresso 2 жыл бұрын
we're working on a stove-top steamer right now and hope to have it by end of year
@D4PPZ456 2 жыл бұрын
@@FlairEspresso is an electric one not phesable? The Bellman already exists, and it's too inconvenient to justify daily use.
@chadgregory9037 2 жыл бұрын
@@D4PPZ456 i second this notion. I feel like i could engineer a thermoblock type unit that would heat very fast, and create a very nice steam pressure that would also be able to be adjustable with programming on a simple control chip. Adjusting temp and water flow rate to adjust steam speed and temp. It's a very simple machine, the most "clutter" would be the redundancies for safety and preservation. It would be so simple using a check valve and a vibe pump using a dimmer style control for setting minimum pressure to maintain when fresh water needs replenished on the bottom side of the thermoblock. this way pressure can form in the block, but also be able to receive fresh and perhaps pre-heated water to maintain proper ratios of water/steam/temp in the thermoblock I would also like to imagine that using machine learning models (that I know how to code) with data gathered it would be feasible to make a good unit that could easily steam non-stop for like 5 whole minutes or more. (I just say 5 minutes cause thats a longgg time)
@chadgregory9037 2 жыл бұрын
The more I got thinking about this, the dumber my initial idea sounds, and the better this new idea I have is... it's actually super simple
@FlairEspresso 2 жыл бұрын
@@chadgregory9037 WPM 130T
@jettav88 2 жыл бұрын
So what machine besides a Linea Mini or Decent beats it for under $3K? Thanks!!
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Espresso quality-wise, I'm not sure I can think of one... as an overall package with capabilities to steam milk, the Lelit Bianca is a great package at around $3k
@jettav88 2 жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ Thank you!
@jettav88 2 жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ What machine does beat it besides the Decent? Not a fan of Lelit, Thank You!
@emersonmsd 2 жыл бұрын
Just watching now. The give away link doesn't seem to be working.
@tucker8594 2 жыл бұрын
Worked for me, but I had to type it into my browser manually
@emersonmsd 2 жыл бұрын
@@tucker8594 thanks Steve. I'm on my phone.
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Hi all, thanks for the heads up, it's fixed Mark!
@emersonmsd 2 жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ you are most welcome. It was just an FYI. I'm in.😃
@Scott_Williams 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t steam milk.
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't designed to? 🤷♂️
@ahmedbolbol2912 Жыл бұрын
How to connect Bluetooth
@LifestyleLab_ Жыл бұрын
This machine does not have Bluetooth. The scale is what is recording
@ahmedbolbol2912 Жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks my dear
@ahmedbolbol2912 Жыл бұрын
@@LifestyleLab_ Could you recommend scale to me for flair58
@LifestyleLab_ Жыл бұрын
Acaia Lunar is the best option. Expensive though
@ozpain1 Жыл бұрын
ECM portafilter isn’t playing nice
@jnattress 2 жыл бұрын
I think I missed out on the giveaway, rules say it is only on until 1st Feb 2021 😬
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Aha, definitely a typo, but thanks for pointing it out! Contest is currently open to enter
@emersonmsd 2 жыл бұрын
Forehead shot🤣🤣🤣
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't find the clip to add it in!!! 😫
@thePowerPlant 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I was really turned off by Flair's aggressive gifting of the 58 to the people on YT and IG...it just rang as really gimmicky and sad. You could see so many of the gift receivers were smitten by getting free stuff that they didn't critically look at the device. If they did lobby criticism it was couched in almost apologetic way as not offend Flair.
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, it depends on the the KZfaqr. I can't think of any in the coffee space that would shy away from giving genuine feedback just from receiving a review unit. We receive review products all the time. The big names right now are pretty blunt and honest
@johnpapenhausen3977 2 жыл бұрын
Nope! Piece of junk. Poor construction and potentially unsafe. Very strict return policies. Flair insists they’ve made an impeccable unit. If you like spending money on the mediocre that looks more cool that functional, go ahead. Take my advice and stay away! Spend your money on a real machine and with a company that is more reputable.
@LifestyleLab_ 2 жыл бұрын
Impressively far from the truth 👍 Sorry you appear to have had a bad experience, but Flair units are great, especially this one.
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