The Flair 58 Review!
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3 жыл бұрынThe Flair 58 is here! A fully manual, lever espresso machine using a standard 58mm portafilter and a new electronically heated group head. Is it worth the hype?
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#Flair58 #Review
@nathancooper9216 3 жыл бұрын
Dude, you need more subscribers. The video work and production value of your videos is insanely good as well as being easy to listen to and always super informative.
@ryrymckelvey3 3 жыл бұрын
I second that.
@pandunugroho2421 3 жыл бұрын
we can all agree on this
@andrewcasey7293 3 жыл бұрын
Subbed for this reason. Keep up the good work Xris :}
@WLT_VIDS 2 жыл бұрын
💯
@HappyAccidentVideos 3 жыл бұрын
You could also get a stovetop milk steamer, such as the Bellman. The steam should be ready by the time you preheat the 58, grind your coffee, and boil your water in your kettle. I imagine you could incorporate it into your workflow, quite easily.
@ahmedattyah6410 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best review I have ever seen for the flair 58x
@ITWorksSoftware 2 жыл бұрын
With the new valve plunger design, the workflow is much faster since you don't need to remove the pressure gauge to fill the chamber with water. Great review, very thorough, thank you!
@AnnabellRamm 3 жыл бұрын
Great, thorough review! Enjoyed watching this
@ryrymckelvey3 3 жыл бұрын
High quality video as always. Good job, Xris!
@robertcorlet512 2 жыл бұрын
Thorough review. Thank you.
@thatmarkb 3 жыл бұрын
Great review. Can’t wait to try it out.
@KyleRowsell 3 жыл бұрын
Great as always friend👏🏻
@georgematzouranis2661 3 жыл бұрын
Great review and I also loved how you introduced the machine at the beginning. Would be nice to see a video of how you take all these nice shots with your camera..
@MrMarki134 3 жыл бұрын
Oh man, been waiting for this one
@danymeeuwissen5973 3 жыл бұрын
Great work! Also funny to see how our video and audio skills have grown since the Gaggia video. ;-)
@jtran777 3 жыл бұрын
I’m new to your channel...just a great review. Perfect amount of info and personality. Vid quality was 💯.
@wirinharwirjawan6422 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome review and thanks for sharing!!!
@LakeDownz 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, very useful information and awesome production. Earned yourself a new subscriber!
@iainmartin9724 3 жыл бұрын
Chris. This was a brilliant review, and well worth the wait. There have been one or two other reviews that came out before yours which were nowhere near this quality and detail. You always answer the questions us average, home users, would have within a superb production. Thank you. I guess my only question would be - do you think I could make two reasonable Americanos with a single, large, shot or would I need to pull two back to back?
@yuhaoqian3358 2 жыл бұрын
I would say it's the best Flair 58 review. NICE WORK and THANK YOU.
@marylandflyer5670 3 жыл бұрын
Besides the cheap portafilter, I really wish Flair would have updated the cheapo pressure gauge with a proper gauge that shows pressure in one bar increments. The current gauge just reminds me of the cheaper models every time I look at it. Good review.
@brendaninkster6115 3 жыл бұрын
Xris, amazing review! If you keep going down this road of making these super informative videos, we might be witnessing the making of the next SCG Gail. Well done sir!
@itsxris 3 жыл бұрын
haha thank you!
@jakevan1969 3 жыл бұрын
Great review!
@jeftesantiago 3 жыл бұрын
If the Intro is spot on , I no need to watch the video to know that is going to be a high quality one.
@jimidavies9283 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to get mine in June! I like using the lavazza mio milk frother (which comes in Matt black 👌) which will go nicely with this.
@HamDerHolm 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Keep up the good work 😊
@AP-lh1bq 3 жыл бұрын
Great video - thanks
@artemisfowlthe3 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. This is some high quality work! 👌🏻@xris
@jordanl4805 3 жыл бұрын
I came for the coffee reviews - I stayed for those amazing tunes
@plug941 3 жыл бұрын
Great review! I can see that acaia lunar perfectly fits the drip tray but does the acaia pearl also fit the tray?
@deevnn Жыл бұрын
Excellent review...thank-you
@reyavalon 3 жыл бұрын
Need to mention that: 1. Flair58 puck screen is not free, is another whopping 35usd or else you will be cleaning the brewhead much more often. Which leads to below: 2. Cleaning - Lock/unlock brewhead with alley key, then rinsing the brewhead without wetting the wire, is not a small thing, its just pure awkward, you will be doing the awkward cleaning more often without the 35usd puck screen. This is part of the reason why: as below 3. Flair is planning to release a non-electric version of brewhead, I expect they really tackle the current existing issues on the brewhead such as no more alley key lock, easy to clean and no more cheap plastic look.
@HamDerHolm 3 жыл бұрын
Seen this twice now and the quality of the intro is like that of a channel with 100k+ subs. Damn!
@stemazzo84 3 жыл бұрын
awesome review! I subscribed 🤣
@knguros9415 2 жыл бұрын
Do you happen to have an updated video about timing pulling consecutive shot with the new plunger valve?
@123marijn321 3 жыл бұрын
Great review! Subbed :)
@masterdaniel5427 2 жыл бұрын
hey there, awesome review btw! I would just like to ask one thing, how much time does it take per pulled shot? Planning to get this for a start-up pop-up shop!
@ps121he4 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the wonderful video. Question, does the flair 58 work with Saint Anthony Industries Tamper/Levy tools? I know its 58, but wanted to makes sure if it leaves and space. Which tamper/distributor work best for the flair? (perfect fit) Thank you!
@stavroskypraios2014 3 жыл бұрын
does a felicita arc scale fit with flair 58?
@stavroskypraios2014 3 жыл бұрын
what tamper and levelling tool did you use here?
@dogflirt 3 жыл бұрын
Great review. Thank you Xris. I have a way to steam my milk separately, and I wanted to love the 58, but almost every coffee drink I make requires at least a double shot, even an Americano, no milk. So I can’t get past the fact that I would have to go through that whole routine two times just to get a single drink. But again, thank you for helping me figure out it’s better just to keep saving and get the machine I really want. 🖤🖤🙏🏼
@jackaw1197 3 жыл бұрын
How big do you consider a double shot to be? Apparently the included basket is 16-20g. But the beauty of being a 58mm portafilter is that you can use virtually any aftermarket basket. They say the maximum yield is about 55ml, so unless you want more than 27/28g (which is basically a quadruple shot at that point) then there shouldn't be a problem.
@dogflirt 3 жыл бұрын
@@jackaw1197 good point - Flair messaged me back saying it wasn’t possible... but you’re right. That’s plenty. Thx ✌️
@jackaw1197 3 жыл бұрын
@@dogflirt I think there can also be a lot of confusion on what a double shot actually means. A lot of places do a "double" as standard(14-20g), so when people order a double, then they will pull 2 shots which were already double, so it ends up being a quadruple. Also a lot of places even have a lot of coffee in a "double", like 21-24g, which is more of a triple(traditionally). Basically just figure out what you are actually after, if you want a traditional double, there should be no problem, but if you want a double shot(/quadruple) then maybe it changes things.
@thepatternforms859 2 жыл бұрын
@@jackaw1197 the flair 58 holds 90g water and with a 20g dose of coffee if you push all the water and do not stop short you end with about 70g drink in the cup...this 70g would be a very strong drink...stronger than an americano....it would basically be as strong as a lungo espresso at 1:3.5 ratio....so the flair 58 can pull a very big shot
@thepatternforms859 2 жыл бұрын
@@dogflirt the flair 58 holds 90g water and with a 20g dose of coffee if you push all the water and do not stop short you end with about 70g drink in the cup...this 70g would be a very strong drink...stronger than an americano....it would basically be as strong as a lungo espresso at 1:3.5 ratio....so the flair 58 can pull a very big shot...much larger than a double...soooo
@MrMarki134 3 жыл бұрын
Xris, I'd advise snipping off the loops of your WDT tool! It'll distribute much better, you probs won't even need the distribution tool!
@thepatternforms859 2 жыл бұрын
why are we not using all the full 90g water? wouldnt this yeild a strong drink? 70g shot would technically not be strong as espresso but much stronger than an americano...why stop short?
@WLT_VIDS 2 жыл бұрын
Your so good at selling products aka I wanted to buy what you have with my invisible money lol...I want it all!
@jackieliu1232 3 жыл бұрын
whats your preferred niche setting for stumptowns hair bender? I remember watching one of your video where you mentioned it’s one of your fav type of beans, thanks for replying to me earlier about your normal niche setting of 5-10, I finally realized the reason I was grinding around 25 is because my niche isn’t calibrated. LOL after more than half year this mystery finally solved. I thought my machine just sucks and must use a coarse grind LOL
@lukeh.8495 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome review! I can see the acaia lunar fits perfectly with the drip tray. But does your cheap scale fits as well? (Yea I admit I probably ask too many questions about that cheap scale lol)
@itsxris 3 жыл бұрын
it fits if spun vertically
@SeanoHermano 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review, Xris! I notice at 16:34 the right side of the wooden handle seems to have popped out or loosened a bit from the T shaped grip. Was this something that happened often, or just a one-off kind of thing? I understand the sale model will have a slightly different shaped handle and maybe this is partly why in addition to ergonomics. Really hoping to get either the Flair 58 or the Cafelet Robot and a Bellman steamer for milk drinks. The portafilter on the Flair is really a game changer for home lever machines.
@itsxris 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It was a one off haha
@SonNguyen-eg9nj 8 ай бұрын
I heard if I Pre heat high level (95°C) + 100°C boiling water = ~ 93°C output water, right ?? Please help me answer the question!! Thank you so much!
@TC_Prof 2 жыл бұрын
Nice one champ 🙏🙏🙏
@ambarmardikar8181 3 жыл бұрын
Great review Xris. I would recommend a comparison between the Flair 58 and the Cafelat Robot, and would love to hear your thoughts on the Robot.
@itsxris 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to... if I had a Robot 😅
@dude4christ00707 3 жыл бұрын
There is one available I saw recently. Not from xris
@irsantenggara8132 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, is the pesado portafilter LM version or Simonelli version? Thanks for the great review!
@itsxris 3 жыл бұрын
LM
@rbmanb 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds not too bad, yet can the price really be justified? For this price I can get at least 3 signature Flairs.
@halal959 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting and very in depth review thanks for that! What are your thoughts on the Flair 58 vs the Cafelat robot. I've been contemplating on getting the Robot because of minial footprint and ease of workflow. They both seem to be a more similar price butt the robot still seems to come out on top when it comes to workflow.. Can't really say much for looks though.
@itsxris 3 жыл бұрын
I think Kyle Rowsell may have a video for that in the works if I'm not wrong judging by his insta stories :)
@halal959 3 жыл бұрын
@@itsxris Thank you for the tip, I'll be waiting eagerly for that then :)
@thePowerPlant 3 жыл бұрын
The Cafelat Robot is awesome too. I hate the "play" that the Flair machines have. It just feels cheap and likely to break sooner rather than later. The Robot doesn't really flex in the way the Flairs do. The Robot is also cheaper and looks better. // If you say the Flair is a permanent edition, does that mean you decided to pay for it? Because if it was a gift...this was a commercial.
@pantac4493 3 жыл бұрын
I had my flair pro for 3 years and put 70+ pounds of force on the lever and not one did seem like it was about to break. You’d have to be really over doing yourself way past the limits of the machine. If you break a machine it’s likely you need to go back to the drawing board to learn how to use it correctly
@nedboulter9187 3 жыл бұрын
Flair must make a killing!! I'm pretty sure this could be manufactured for less than £100, we need an "Ethical Flair" and it would be awesome!!
@nedboulter9187 3 жыл бұрын
If anyone is considering spending like £500 on this, get a La Pavoni :P
@whoami4766 3 жыл бұрын
@@nedboulter9187 In the US, the cheapest La Pavoni is $849 for a black base. The F58 is $529. There is no comparison here, but it might make more sense in UK and Europe.
@dsmpampis 3 жыл бұрын
Great review Xris! But in my opinion the flair 58 is a no go for the money. For 530€ you can buy a La Pavoni or Rancilio Silvia or even a Gaggia Classic for 380€. Again great review!!
@itsxris 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Although I do think there are different target audiences with these products, none of those listed are portable nor offer the level of control over a shot (except maybe the la pavoni, although I'll need to get my hands on one to test)
@gpapa31 3 жыл бұрын
Depends on where you live. If you live in Europe then yes, you can get a La Pavoni Europicolla (without pressure gauge) for roughly €536. You will still need to spend some money though to modify it in order to bring it close to the performance and control capabilities of the Flair 58 (pressure gauge, temp strips, cooling group head sink ring to avoid temp surfing etc). If you happen to live in the US is a different story. La Pavonis retail at $800 minimum. So you are looking at more than $270 difference and that’s with no shipping cost included. I am not going to even put Gaggia and Silvia in the conversation as they are totally different machines and IMHO do not share the control capability and shot quality performance of the levers we are talking about.
@pantac4493 3 жыл бұрын
@@itsxris I would love to see a La Pavoni and Flair compared head on
@itsxris 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to have a LaPavoni 😂
@dsmpampis 3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion and I said this my opinion. The flair is gimmick! For that amount of money is a gimmick, is still a piece of metal with a plunger and ok maybe you have the control like the @gpapa31 said, but try to make two lattes two cappuccino and two double espresso for your family back to back. If you have that amount of money then you can buy a second hand Ponte Vecchio lusso and you have an espresso machine. Anyway thanks @Xris for the review!
@theandybee3050 3 жыл бұрын
But Xris, you promised a comparison with the Cafelat Robot! How does it do? Which would you keep?
@itsxris 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm pretty sure I never promised this seeing as I don't have one or ever used one 😅
@theandybee3050 3 жыл бұрын
I could’ve sworn that you said you’d compare the espresso from the one to the other
@danymeeuwissen5973 3 жыл бұрын
@@theandybee3050 I think you're talking about Sprometheus. ;-)
@ambarmardikar8181 3 жыл бұрын
@@itsxris I just added a comment on the video about the Robot. Would really appreciate your views on the Robot, as quite a few people have compared it favourably to previous Flair models, mainly due to the easier thermal management that the Robot offers.
@robtheknob7791 3 жыл бұрын
You measured your temps with a portafilter locked in that doesn’t come with the 58. You used your more hefty feeling portafilter.
@itsxris 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but if anything, this makes the temps cooler since the larger portafilter is a much larger mass of cold metal (so in theory the numbers would be even a little better than shown, which is a good thing)
@MikeTheBlueCow 3 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too. It seems the extra mass from the all-metal handle might be contributing to heat-sinking. But also it was exposed to air with no plunger in which is definitely going to lead to faster heat loss anyways. It will be good to see other reports about heat tests.
@robtheknob7791 3 жыл бұрын
@@itsxris a demonstration of a worst case scenario. I can dig that.
@sochauxs 3 жыл бұрын
1:52 The frame is made from aluminium, not steel. From Flair's site: "Stainless steel components for a plastic-free brew path Die-cast aluminum frame to withstand years of extractions"
@itsxris 3 жыл бұрын
good catch! I didn't have this info prior to making the review so I was guessing, the nice finish to the metal threw me off :)
@sochauxs 3 жыл бұрын
@@itsxris Stainless steel would be very nice, but (I think) it is not as easy to cast as aluminium. And they have already worked with aluminum on the other previous models.
@olivierleduc2867 3 жыл бұрын
The wooden part of the handle seems to be unseated from the steel lever (at 16:33). Were you trying to take it apart or did it sort of came off on its own?
@ArbaouiBillel 3 жыл бұрын
Not giveaway ?
@OMAR-vu4hw 3 жыл бұрын
Mixed feelings on this thing.. I like the styling.. But the fact that it now has elcectronic components kinda deminishes the beautiful simplicity of the generally analogue flair line..
@renatoa 3 жыл бұрын
The temperature measurement tool and method is flawed, please ignore any conclusion taken in this review about temperature behaviour of this machine.
@martin_wood 3 жыл бұрын
So is the shot potential... 1. Flair 2. Rocket 3. Gaggia
@parasbhargava6047 3 жыл бұрын
Why not include cafelat robot vs this.
@itsxris 3 жыл бұрын
I don't have one
@parasbhargava6047 3 жыл бұрын
@@itsxris I wonder if they would lend you one. Did flair give you the 58?
@TheZabouman 3 жыл бұрын
Great review but I would add some more cons to think about. The fact that this machine does not fit on a kitchen top due to the enormous size.. Waiting 10 minutes at least so this beast heats up well to avoid thermal loss... Needing to screw a wormscrew every time to avoid sliding the brew chamber when unlockikg the portafilter. Needing to unscrew a wormhead everytime u want to remove the brew chamber to clean it.. The fact that u actually need to clean the chamber due to coffee build up inside and in order to follow this u have to unscrew and screw screws 🤪 The cord hanging near water under the sink when u clean it... Sorry but there are better lever machines out there with zero maintenance, super fast cleaning with portability and especially with zero waiting time to preheat orbwhatsoever, that can actually already offer what the new flair 58 tries to offer.
@whoami4766 3 жыл бұрын
What are the other lever machines that are better than F58? I am still debating to get F58 or something else of equal or better functionality and price for lever machines in the US. The cheapest (in US) La Pavoni is $849 for a black base. Can’t really compare if it’s $320 more.
@pantac4493 3 жыл бұрын
The screw can be replaced with a thumb screw. The cord isn’t a problem unless you’re trying to submerge it in water. This is zero maintenance. It does fit on a kitchen counter top, he said it doesn’t fit under a cabinet just like most espresso machines can’t. Most espresso machines other than La Pavoni take 15+ minutes to heat up
@FlairEspresso 3 жыл бұрын
RE the worm screw, it was set too loose while he was filming. this is how it functions when properly tightened kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rNWBo8KLrty0nmQ.html
@gpapa31 3 жыл бұрын
“There are better lever machines out there.....with zero time to preheat” LMFAO Can you name 1 espresso machine out there, of any kind and at any price range, that is ready to go straight away after you switch it on without having to wait to preheat? I’ll wait. EDIT: Nespresso does not count; although even that you have to wait for a few seconds.
@TheZabouman 3 жыл бұрын
@@gpapa31 Not my intention to start a feud here, but cafelat robot can make delicious espresso too without preheating any parts, just adding the boiling water into the basket. So, there you have your answer.. Anyway flair 58 seems to be an amazing machine that sits somewhere in the middle between simple lever machines like flair 2, pro, robot and more sophisticated like La pavoni with heating element. At the end all do amazing espresso cups with less or more hussle. Consumers can judge and buy whatever they feel that suits them better. Peace 😎
@johnpapenhausen3977 2 жыл бұрын
The flair 58 is a piece of junk. Plus flair has only robots working for them. Poor construction and poor customer service.
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