Flame Treating Plastic | How to prep plastics for painting or hydro dipping

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Flame Treating Plastic | How to prep plastics for painting or hydro dipping
In today's video, we will are continuing our video series called:
Just The Tip!
In this video series, we will be showing and discussing various topics in the hydrographics world and give helpful tips and tricks for those just starting out in hydro dipping or those that want to learn how to hydro dip at home.
This video will cover the topic of flame treating plastic and how to prep plastics for painting or hydro dipping for do it yourself hydro dippers.
Follow along as Chris from All Things Fun Hydrographics gives you a step by step guide to flame treating plastics and the best ways to prep plastic parts for hydro dipping. As always don’t forget to stick around all the way to the end for all the funny bloopers.
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@RoboGoby 20 күн бұрын

One of the hidden gems on youtube. . Awesome content. Commenting for the algorithm. I subscribed. Thank you!

@ays2013boss 2 жыл бұрын

Buddy you have the most informative videos on the Internet. A lot of these people don't explain things properly like you do so for that I congratulate you!

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that! Glad I could help

@pietpompiepompiepiet940 Жыл бұрын

@@AllThingsFunHydrographics Hi ,thanks for video. Will this work for cast acrylic material as I need a clear see through sections that is not spray painted so scuffing will not work.

@3kodrone760 2 ай бұрын

Thank you. Just informative and useful.. 👍

@jessegarbee5860 3 жыл бұрын

Been waiting for this one BIG Thanks!!!!

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 3 жыл бұрын

Made that video just for you.... and all the others that have asked about it.

@snaplash 6 ай бұрын

After seeing this in car factory videos, I tried it at home with a propane torch and my garbage bin. The paint was easy to pick off the untreated areas, but it stuck securely to the treated area. No post cleaning. Amazing.

@STVenom225 Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣. Booger hooks 🪝. Funny as. Good video 👍🏼😎

@terrylockwood2430 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Never really understood this process. Guess I’ll look at plastic in a different light!

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 3 жыл бұрын

It's not too bad, so many people get way too involved in flame treating and all the science behind it. All it does is change the molecluar structure of the exterior on the plastic, and makes it rougher so that paint will stick to it.

@lawrencemccoy Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@christophergraceffa7925 10 ай бұрын

Great Videos! Im looking to do some hydrodipping of PVC. What kind of prep should I use prior to paining

@GinraiMinor 7 ай бұрын

If it sank; get da' paint! If it float; burn da' coat!

@cygnuslamneth5200 2 жыл бұрын

Listen to REM in your closet LOL That's Gold

@will081 Жыл бұрын

Hello from Brazil. Thanks for sharing this great tip. Would be possible to use also hand sand to improve the adhesion or it is not necessary? If the sand papper helps, what type will be better to ensure a good quality?

@takoda9672 3 жыл бұрын

I'm a fan of the K.I.S.S. method.

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 3 жыл бұрын

me too! Mostly because I am the last S. LOL

@ralphpearson5420 Жыл бұрын

I’ve seen people use large propane burners to re-condition like stadium seats in the such. Can you do a video on that sort of restoreration? Or can you provide information as to what the actual outcome would be? We are hobby kayakers, and have some of our boats that are sun faded etc. I’ve been considering re-conditioning mine with a large barreled, propane torch. Can you touch on whether this is a good idea or not or the long terms affect of restoration of this kind?

@bonprez9981 Жыл бұрын

How long after you heat it do you have to be able to paint it or is it like once it’s heated you can just paint it whenever you want?

@andyvillegas5502 2 жыл бұрын

I'd be so down to move next to A.T.F to learn and work for these guys, I've learned so much from watching these videos and I really do would like to learn more, this is definitely something I want to do, PULL ME OVER THERE A.T.F!!!! ILL WORK FULL TIME!😂❤

@andyvillegas5502 2 жыл бұрын

I'm joking and being serious I so see myself doing this down the road

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 2 жыл бұрын

You should check out the online training we do, it's awesome and I get to teach all the stuff that youtube wont let me talk about.

@NL-oe5cc 8 ай бұрын

Question!!! Can you dip powder-coated items? Just curious, I powder coat parts for myself and Wondering if the film would stick to Powdercoat.

@garnetnelson1419 Жыл бұрын

Does a heat gun do the same thing?

@surfingcuriositywaves4046 Жыл бұрын

Good stuff here. Note that you need an 'oxidizing flame' that looks blue because you are not just heating the surface, you are oxidizing the surface. This will be different than a 'reducing flame' that is more yellow. A reducing flame is designed to heat more slowly, as with the settings on a bunsen burner, and the yellow flame has more unburned contents that show up as sooty smoke above the yellow flame. The source of the fuel just helps with control, so not just propane. Even using a kerosene campstove can get this effect, as long as the flame is hot blue.

@strawberrysuperglue Жыл бұрын

Can butane or map gas be used?

@surfingcuriositywaves4046 Жыл бұрын

@@strawberrysuperglue Yes, either of them CAN be adjusted to get an oxidizing flame, the trick is the knowledge and skill to get YOUR SETUP to produce that oxidizing flame with the fuel that you are using. Each setup has many variables, so I cannot describe all the combinations and limitations.

@larryseibold4287 2 жыл бұрын

are you sure the cleaning and wiping dont degrade the flame surface energy improvement? I dont know. just wondering.

@neonsandwich4241 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Got a sinker. Scuff plastic with what grit sandpaper plz?

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 3 жыл бұрын

220, 300, or 400 will work fine.

@davenkaren2572 2 жыл бұрын

Do p80 lowers need flame treating?

@mikeb6902 2 жыл бұрын

I just bought a body kit for my car and saw its made of polyproplyene, was thinking of painting it myself and wanted to make sure I do it right the first time. After the scuff and heat treat, I wanted to use plastic prep cleaner, and then SEM plastic adhesion promoter.

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 2 жыл бұрын

Go for it!

@tjalivio 2 жыл бұрын

brother, do you think this will work on epoxy resins?

@lukechasteen-pi8fg 12 күн бұрын

Just the tip, just for a second, just to see how it feels.

@jonathanphillips1235 2 жыл бұрын

QUESTION! (please please answer lol) Will this work on HDPE? I have a kayak I want to paint but am worried from what I've read so far that nothing will stick to it. But flame treating seems to be the only thing that is a viable option and obviously I'm not wanting to waste time energy and effort if I don't need to - What do you think????

@28704joe 3 ай бұрын

Is there any advantage to flame treating HDPE joints prior to welding ? ( To improve sealing for tank fabrication for example)

@JaredSiebert1 Жыл бұрын

Couple questions: You specifically called out propane - why, what's special about propane vs butane or other sources? Will a heat gun work? It seems like the plastic just needs to get hot Also, when you say after it's flame treated and degreased again it's ready to paint, does that mean ready to dip, or ready for a base coat?

@dewaynehess3314 3 жыл бұрын

You ok?? Didn’t have any flash backs ? Lol and I mean FLASH!! Lol

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 3 жыл бұрын

LOL... actually I only screamed like a girl the first time I lit the torch up. After that I was fine.

@user-yj3uf8nx5r 3 ай бұрын

Will heat treating work on NYLON plastic parts?

@koscokos 6 ай бұрын

Can’t find pure propane in my area? Could it be replaced with butane?

@Democrats_are_a_disease 6 ай бұрын

My bloopers would be like "BEEP! sucker! Mother BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! BEEP!

@MatteBlk300C5.7 2 жыл бұрын

If I’m going to try and hydro dip, a car radiator Reservoir,(plastic). After I heat treat it, then scuff with scotch brite. Should I paint it too,b4 I dip it? Or leave the paint out.

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 2 жыл бұрын

Yes. paint before you dip or else the dip wont have anything to stick to

@dbc603 3 жыл бұрын

OK... dumb question. I watched this video, and I watched the paint prep video, but *when* in the process do you flame treat? Before you a scuff, or after?

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 3 жыл бұрын

clean the parts first, scuff, then flame treat.

@goldfinger1241 2 жыл бұрын

After you have or have not flamed a part do you use adhesion promoter before your 2k primer ?

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 2 жыл бұрын

If your using primer and base paint then yes spray adhesion promoter. If using One Hit Wonder paint then no. It has spray adhesion promoter built in

@goldfinger1241 2 жыл бұрын

@@AllThingsFunHydrographics thanks for that we don’t have that in the uk I don’t think, is it only bare plastic to use adhesion promoter for ? I’ve been using it just recently on some jobs seems to work well

@bradgillespie3043 Жыл бұрын

When you are talking about activates?? Can I buy it where I buy my automotive paint at? If so what are we talking about? When I hear activator I'm thinking about the activator I use in automotive type activator?? Thanks you, Please clear me up on this.

@KobraVR 2 жыл бұрын

Do you know if you can hydrodip 3D printed PLA plastic parts without flame treatment please?

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 2 жыл бұрын

I flame treat everything

@KobraVR 2 жыл бұрын

@@AllThingsFunHydrographics Hey thanks for the reply! Did you ever actually dip PLA before though? I wasn't sure if it needed an undercoat as I have different colour PLA so can just use a clear primer + dip. I just wasn't sure if the flame treatment can just be avoided if I'm just spraying plastic primer first.

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 2 жыл бұрын

I have dipped lots of 3d printed parts, and I flame treat all of them very carefully. Plastic primer is garbage and never works the way it is advertised. Use 2k epoxy primer only.

@manyfaces2614 2 жыл бұрын

So basically burning off a layer somewhat. Does this applies to rubber like on the sb3 brace arm part?

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 2 жыл бұрын

NEver NEver never try to dip rubber. It will not work and the flame will melt it.

@boof314 2 жыл бұрын

Do you still need to use a plastic adhesion promoter?

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 2 жыл бұрын

I dont, but many people do.

@boof314 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate 👍

@snaxzdaman1 3 жыл бұрын

Do you have any videos of scratching ya material without sand blasting?

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 3 жыл бұрын

Yes I do, It is called Paint Prep for Hydro Dipping, covers everything you need to know about paint prep.

@snaxzdaman1 3 жыл бұрын

@@AllThingsFunHydrographics appreciate it

@cesello4777 2 жыл бұрын

Hi is this a must, to flane treat before hydro dipping a plastic material

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 2 жыл бұрын

If it needs to be flame treated yes.

@cesello4777 2 жыл бұрын

@@AllThingsFunHydrographics and to know if it needs to be flame treated, we have to cut a piece of it and check?

@glennwhite1841 Жыл бұрын

@@cesello4777 Evidently

@tylorsorenson7213 3 жыл бұрын

Is there a way to test the plastic without cutting a small piece off?

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 3 жыл бұрын

Not that I know of. Do some research online, I am sure someone knows a way to do it, just not me.

@trapthug5844 2 жыл бұрын

dunk the whole thing in?? or flame treat it anyway.. dont overthunk it

@phoneguy9199 2 жыл бұрын

Is this better than using Bulldog??

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 2 жыл бұрын

Even when using Bulldog the plastic needs to be flame treated first. I know they say it doesn't but I have seen multiple people have delamination issues from not flame treating first and only using adhesion promoter.

@OwenPrescott 5 ай бұрын

Why do so many people use sanding / primer when this method seems so much easier and faster?

@adamhenderson4132 3 жыл бұрын

Bout time. Lol

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 3 жыл бұрын

I know right.

@ali-sleimanchehade6129 Жыл бұрын

Can I use a heat gun?

@glennwhite1841 Жыл бұрын

This guy said no. Another video said a heat gun is not as effective

@theloadedliberal6475 2 жыл бұрын

"You dont want whatever is on your nast booger hooks on the thing you're cleaning" Removes booger hook from nose

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 2 жыл бұрын

LMAO

@sparklinmommaglitters553 3 жыл бұрын

Overthunk dont hear many ppl say that anymore😅

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 3 жыл бұрын

I say lot's of random stuff sometimes.

@bluebyyou6699 3 жыл бұрын

Just don’t over thunk it!!!

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 3 жыл бұрын

Don't hurt your thunker, by thunking too much. 😂

@theloadedliberal6475 2 жыл бұрын

As someone who has used plastic gloves alot.. blow into them first

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip

@mikegibson6431 2 жыл бұрын

Or baby powder.

@jessegarbee5860 3 жыл бұрын

flame the float scuff the sink

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 3 жыл бұрын

Someone needs to make that into a song so I can sing it! LOL

@jessegarbee5860 3 жыл бұрын

@@AllThingsFunHydrographics sounds like something the dwarves would sing in the hobbit

@Xcustomz 3 жыл бұрын

@@AllThingsFunHydrographics I bet you won’t 😂

@stanlucas665 3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 3 жыл бұрын

Hey now... this is a very serious channel. We don't allow joking around or laughing here! 😉😂

@OwlCapone8630 Жыл бұрын

0:04 all she can handle

@upsjetmechanic5647 3 жыл бұрын

Really? You DON'T have to use unicorn tears? I've been doing it wrong then. I need to re-thunk my life choices...

@AllThingsFunHydrographics 3 жыл бұрын

Don't waste your unicorn tears on testing plastic.... they are much better to dip a twinkie in! LOL Who would have thunk unicorn tears and twinkies went together so well.