Fleming vs Film - Is the THUNDERBALL Novel better than the Film?

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Fleming vs Film - Is the THUNDERBALL Novel better than the Film?

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2 жыл бұрын

Who did it better, Fleming or the film?!!??!?!?! The novels are incredible, the films are incredible, but which one is better?! Join myself and Donnie Waldron of Quantum of History for an underwater fight as we go through plot points in the film and the novel to ultimately come to the conclusion of who did it better, Fleming or Film?
For MORE of Donnie's discussions of Fleming vs Film go to: / @quantumofhistory4270
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@JohnDoe-tm9wz 2 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised so many people dislike Thunderball, personally, I think it's a great film, Connery is fantastic as Bond, the rest of the cast is terrific, the locations are beautiful, the underwater battle is classic Bond; having said that I do prefer the novel.

@quantumofhistory4270 2 жыл бұрын

I agree, I love the film, so many things about it are so great but the novel is just so good too and brings a different dimension than the film does.

@pczTV 2 жыл бұрын

It’s my favorite bond….although I do sort of speed up the underwater scenes

@quantumofhistory4270 2 жыл бұрын

@@pczTV I’m the same, the underwater part is when I’ll check my phone or something

@michaelpoplawski2998 2 жыл бұрын

I hear so many people complain about the underwater scenes. I don't think they realize that this was a big first for movies. This was also the era of Jacques Cousteau and we were just discovering what Fleming knew in the 50's. The underwater shots were not that long and do not slow the story at all. The big battle scene at the end is critical to the story.

@pczTV 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelpoplawski2998 Cousteau is why I learned to scuba dive a third of a century ago. And, you are totally correct that for it’s time, this was mind blowing filmography. I just find my attention span is a wee bit shorter now and we are so used to underwater photography that the impact on the audience is diminished. We’re I to edit it, it would not be as long but it would keep the crucial elements. But again, this is my favorite bond and the one I watch more than any other. So this critique comes from a place of love.

@garybryant1501 2 жыл бұрын

Blofeld's scenting his breath in the Novel before doing something unpleasant always intrigued me pity they didn't use it in the movies

@pennysmith6727 2 жыл бұрын

I adore the new intro so much! And I love Thunderball. Domino getting her revenge at the end! ❤️

@macaulaygallacher1995 2 жыл бұрын

It's always such a nice surprise to get a new video from you, David.

@HEATSEEKER00 2 жыл бұрын

Can we start a petition to have David Zaritsky become the head of Eon productions? He seems to have a better grip on what Bond really is than anyone currently working at the company.

@quantumofhistory4270 2 жыл бұрын

I’ll sign that petition!

@tripi7906 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, he seems like he would now how to reboot it and make it for everbody

@HEATSEEKER00 2 жыл бұрын

@@tripi7906 Look at Top Gun, A film for everyone. No woke nonsense. Watching it was thrilling and entertaining plus walking out of the screening you were feeling good.

@ricardocantoral7672 2 жыл бұрын

Hmmm, he enjoyed Quantum of Solace so I am not 100 percent sure.

@HEATSEEKER00 2 жыл бұрын

@@ricardocantoral7672 Quantum can be truly enjoyed if watched immediately after casino royal.

@j.st.jamesesq.9599 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, guys. Fun fact, Fiona Volpe drove a blue 1964/1965 Mustang. Tanya Mallet also drove a 1964 Mustang in "Goldfinger." The Bond film makers knew how to match "bad girls" with cool cars.

@rikbond3371 2 жыл бұрын

Having just re read Thunderball in a print version and seen the movie recently and although just bought a pink linen shirt from Turnbull & Asser my personal preference is the book! it is amazing and I found it was hard to put down even though I know the story well. The description of England and the English is from the point of view of wealthy rich person as Fleming was brought up in his very wealthy family is so well done. People know cashmere well, but how many people know and recognize vicuna when they see it? He also reveals things in such an low key way that is not meant to be showy. Reading an on line version is not like picking up a book and reading it all cover to cover. I found the on line version did not mention the dedication to Ernest Cuneo Muse. To learn about his relationship with Cuneo tells you a lot about the reason for the other Thunderball movie, Never say never again. Never say never again had some difficulties for most of us, but Fatima Blush, Barbara Carrera was my favorite Bond woman off all the movies she was so outstanding in that movie.

@CaminoAir 2 жыл бұрын

'Thunderball' isn't a Bond film made for someone like me. After listening to Joseph and Scott's discussion of 'Dr. NO.', I gave it another try and was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed it and could appreciate it on the terms Joseph highlighted. But 'Thunderball', despite its impressive production values, classic Bond plot and innovative underwater camerawork and choreography is a film I can never really warm to. It's so long since I read Fleming's novel that I can't comment, beyond appreciating that I have the chance to enjoy and benefit from your discussion.

@user-yk3rx7ok1i 2 жыл бұрын

WHY I CONSIDER THUNDERBALL THE BEST CLASSIC BOND FILM:: In Dr No, Connery is still experimenting with the role and he is great but yet a bit stiff. In From Russia with Love he explores more the "dark" side of the character. In Goldfinger he adds more charm and "witticism" and completes the formula. But in Thunderball he IS James Bond and the formula is perfected. Connery's performance on this is truly unique. He shows the greatest confidence ever. His style, his movements, the way he speaks, his one-liners, his demeanor and even the way he looks, everything that was built in the previous 3 films, reach perfection. He is "dark" and gritty and at the same time charming and stylish. He looks tough and ruthless which at the same time combines with incredible humor and unsurpassed style. And he obviously enjoys playing the character more than ever, either before or after. It is also the ultimate "escapism" movie. Beautiful exotic places, wonderful scenery and landscapes, incomparable lifestyle, amazing women (Fiona Volpe is an amazing femme fatale and Domino one of the hottest Bondgirls). it is even considered alongside with Goldfinger a "fashion icon" movie! The plot is simple but realistically believable. And for the first time it focuses on Bond himself and not the vilain. The action scenes are great. The gadjets are believable (the jet-pack was real in the beginning). And whatever you say, the underwater shooting and especially the underwater battle was a revolutionary achievement for the time and a unique sample of cinematography for 1965! So initially in Goldfinger but mainly in Thunderball, Connery reaches the fine line of perfection, as he becomes at the same time tough and refined, stylish and ruthless, a real killer with a sense of humor, who lives on the edge and therefore enjoys every minute of his life as if it were his last. Goldfinger at 85% and Thunderball at 100%, are the timeless epitome of the James Bond movies, before Connery got tired of the role in You Only Live Twice and before the production turned to a more comic version (parody-spoof) of Bond, with Diamonds Are Forever and the Roger Moore era. Also Thunderball is also historically extremely significant for the franchise that we love: It broke the smashing box office records. It is to this date the highest grossing Bond movie of all time (inflation counted). If Goldifinger created the "Bondmania", then Thunderball made it into a high fever. The flms remarkable achievements transformed James Bond from a popular fictional hero, into a phenomenon in cinema history

@user-tt6be2zx3h 2 жыл бұрын

the 1st truly global blockbuster $$$ film!! 🙌🙌

@FrogwomanOrgReloaded 2 жыл бұрын

I think comparing a movie to a novel is a little bit like comparing a plane with a car. Different category. But ok, I think the movie is much better than the book (which is still a good read). The screenwriters did a good job of improving many scenes from the book. The underwater scenes in the movie are brilliant for me. And yeah..... Luciana Paluzzi aka Fiona Volpe in the movie.... oh man! :-)

@user-tt6be2zx3h 2 жыл бұрын

had my best viewing of most of TB last night! surely a novel is almost always 'better' than the film, as our own imagination usually much more impactful than anything on screen imo.. still, heck of a film, WAY ahead of it's time in the mid 1960s!!!

@jonnywyattgreengreen3301 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful chat about Thurderball. One of my favourites . Many years ago l went to Bond event at NFT Thurderball on the big screen. Many quests from Thurderball, molly peters and Terence Young . I love the film so much . Ken Adam sets brilliant as always . Love your vids been a Bond since seeing the man with the golden gun. ✨️ all the best David.

@Professor_Fate 5 ай бұрын

One possible explanation for Largo's being unfazed and "cool as a cucumber" while the embezzler is electrocuted (aside form just being badass, of course) is that, as Number2 of SPECTRE, Blofeld's second in command and chosen successor, he was in on it and knew exactly what was going to happen.

@brendanhaley3668 2 жыл бұрын

Great chat. I do love these book v film comparisons with two commentators. two opinions and the dance of shifting favourites is interesting to watch. Whilst the older films are now slow, for many in the modern audience, the styling and real world scenes and locations rarely visited by the audience made Bonds world a wonderful, if dangerous place. A place we would like to visit but with the assurity of returning home safely, in both film and book versions.

@quantumofhistory4270 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I feel the same way, there’s just something nostalgic and romantic almost to see a snapshot of the times, the locations and the people

@andrewwebster2598 Жыл бұрын

I’m glad in a way I’m not the only person totally obsessed with Bond films. Makes me feel like I’m not a complete weirdo 😅. I think we all get a unique feeling of enjoyment and feel really part of something. Great debate, really enjoyed it

@martinwells5747 2 жыл бұрын

Love both the book and film :)

@belloq81 2 жыл бұрын

Fun conversation! I probably lean towards the novel, but it's close.

@Theo-ul8qm 2 жыл бұрын

Intresting discussion guys! I’ve actually just finished reading thunderball for the first time and, though this might be through my own inattentiveness, I never got the message that Bond was ‘down and out’ at the beginning of the novel. More that M wanted to give him a break from the excesses he was putting his body through. Am I the only one who read it that way?

@alancranford3398 2 жыл бұрын

I haven't read the novel, but one of my Christmas presents was a Gilber action figure of Sean Connery as James Bond with Thunderball accessories.

@quantumofhistory4270 2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully you still have it!

@alancranford3398 2 жыл бұрын

@@quantumofhistory4270 That was fifty years ago and my mother did what parents did back then--made me throw out all of my toys. I was going to keep the box because I liked the artwork and it was handy to store that Gilbert product--but it was 'trash.' Such parental acts make antique toys and comics so valuable today.

@Asshole88 2 жыл бұрын

Big fan David. Gordon from Scotland.

@eabcool Жыл бұрын

didn't understand what you guys were saying about no music during the underwater scenes, not only is there music, it's particularly good during the climactic battle

@jaredguffey1185 2 жыл бұрын

Please do from Russia with love next!

@markjone671 2 жыл бұрын

Whether or not people like the Thunderball movie seems to revolve mainly around how the individual feels about scenes set underwater as that appears to be the main issue people bring up when hating on the movie "They slow down the pace of the film." They go on for too long" etc. I personally love underwater scenes. For me they don't go on long enough. I love the crisp underwater photography and I appreciate that underwater battle far more than say the volcano battle in You Only Live Twice because of the intricacies of photographing and choreographing so many divers under the water at the same time. I agree that It's an achievement that is often under appreciated. Such a complicated action scene has never been replicated in any other movie since. It isn't an underwater fight between a couple of divers. It is a full scale battle of epic proportions. This was the first Bond movie that truly felt of epic scale and I love it. I love the underwater stuff and for me this is easily my favourite of the Connery Bond films.

@quantumofhistory4270 2 жыл бұрын

I agree I think that is where most modern audiences today where they lose steam in enjoying the film. I still love the scene and love the movie, even though I can accept it does go on for a while and it is hard to follow what exactly is taking place.

@user-yk3rx7ok1i 2 жыл бұрын

You are so right! The underwater shooting and especially the underwater battle was a revolutionary achievement for the time and a unique sample of cinematography for 1965! Brilliant! Also, Connery's performance on this is truly unique. He shows the greatest confidence ever. His style, his movements, the way he speaks, his one-liners, his demeanor and even the way he looks, everything that was built in the previous 3 films, reach perfection. He is "dark" and gritty and at the same time charming and stylish. He looks tough and ruthless which at the same time combines with incredible humor and unsurpassed style. And he obviously enjoys playing the character more than ever, either before or after. It is also the ultimate "escapism" movie. Beautiful exotic places, wonderful scenery and landscapes, incomparable lifestyle, amazing women (Fiona Volpe is an amazing femme fatale and Domino one of the hottest Bondgirls). it is even considered alongside with Goldfinger a "fashion icon" movie!

@markjone671 2 жыл бұрын

@@user-yk3rx7ok1i You've just echoed my every thought and appreciation of the movie. People always say how it was Goldfinger that brought all of the Bond elements together but I always see Goldfinger as the final layer and it's actually Thunderball that finally brings it all together.

@user-yk3rx7ok1i 2 жыл бұрын

@@markjone671 Exactly

@ricardocantoral7672 2 жыл бұрын

I don't believe the underwater scenes drag the film down either. The film's major problem is the stuff on dry land once it arrives in the Bahamas. Bond simply isn't given a hell of a lot to do and what also didn't help is Largo is such a bland villain. Outside of Bond, Fiona Valope is the one carrying the film.

@frankb821 2 жыл бұрын

This was actually my first time discovering "Quantum of History." Yet another series to consume, just when I thought I was making progress!

@johnhansen1501 2 жыл бұрын

I love the movie. But both the film and the movie has to solve a story problem: SPECTREs plan is too good. Coincidences are needed to thwart it. Big coincidences. And the solution is to spot the plane from a helicopter. That is the simple main plot point that settles the case and it becomes a military operation. All the other stuff is added on. Much like FRWL. But I do love this movie for all the great scenes and locations.

@quantumofhistory4270 2 жыл бұрын

Yea there are certainly some leaps the audience has to make but they’re ones I’m willing to make because it all is so good

@hekkie6082 2 жыл бұрын

Hi David, is it possible you upload there on Spotify? I’d love to listen while being on the go, without draining my old phone battery with the screen on

@quantumofhistory4270 2 жыл бұрын

open.spotify.com/episode/7gjZrcAaFbfM7BnZjNg8yW?si=aa87jXnCS8-t1mQ9VT23ow

@MrEab2010 Жыл бұрын

even though Thunderball is my favorite Bond film, much of the reason for it is that it was made in the mid-1960s, a far more glamorous era.

@Cartier777 2 жыл бұрын

I hope a live from Nassau this week can be done. It would be epic at kiss kiss club black tie event

@rikbond3371 2 жыл бұрын

I am surprised the buttons are not white and the shade could be more pink?

@greatwuta 2 жыл бұрын

I've seen this already 🙂

@christoph404 Жыл бұрын

"Thunderball" is the most controversial episode of the Bond franchise, both in its form as a novel and a movie. Open the first page of the novel and you will read...." based on a film script by Kevin McClory , Jack Whittingham and Ian Flemming...... Screenwriter McClory had come up with a script and story outline for Thunderball and that was before the first Bond film Dr No had been made, according to McClory , Flemming had plagiarized copyrighted elements of his screenplay in order to produce the novel and a high court judge in London agreed, McClory took legal action against Flemming and all copies of the novel Thunderball were ordered to be withdrawn from sale and pulped, while Flemming retained rights to the novel any future publications had to be printed with the statement on the first page...." based on a screenplay by Kevin McClory, Whittingham and Flemming.....McClory also won the movie rights to "Thunderball" and was set to make his own independent James Bond film, as it transpired Eon Productions offered him a deal whereby he could be the producer on the official Bond franchise production of " Thunderball"

@nigeldewallens1115 2 жыл бұрын

This is sort of related to Bond in the context of reading a book after a film! What I found is this, after seeing a film once, I then read the book and it was much more darker than the film!! I actually loved the film over the book! What film am I talking about? Mrs.Doubterfire! After that film I vowed I would never read a book! Vs the film! However after today I will have to get some bond Books and start reading them all! But I suspect I will find the books more interesting as they are directly from Ian Fleming!!

@quantumofhistory4270 2 жыл бұрын

haha Mrs. Doubtfire is classic 90's romp com. You should definitely give the novels a shot, they are fantastic and I think you'll be surprised at how dark many of the stories get.

@nigeldewallens1115 2 жыл бұрын

@@quantumofhistory4270 when I get the chance to get the books! I certainly will and thank you ;)

@djtforever1414 2 жыл бұрын

Thunderball has got higher on my ranking list in the last few years - but it (still) would have been better as a shorter film. You know which scenes, hint: they are underwater.

@quantumofhistory4270 2 жыл бұрын

I think the underwater scene definitely is hurt by length and lack of a sound effects and sharper editing

@user-yk3rx7ok1i 2 жыл бұрын

@@quantumofhistory4270 The underwater shooting and especially the underwater battle was a revolutionary achievement for the time and a unique sample of cinematography for 1965! Brilliant! Also, Connery's performance on this is truly unique. He shows the greatest confidence ever. His style, his movements, the way he speaks, his one-liners, his demeanor and even the way he looks, everything that was built in the previous 3 films, reach perfection. He is "dark" and gritty and at the same time charming and stylish. He looks tough and ruthless which at the same time combines with incredible humor and unsurpassed style. And he obviously enjoys playing the character more than ever, either before or after.

@ricardocantoral7672 2 жыл бұрын

Fiona Valope was time ten times more interesting Largo. How awesome would have been if she was the main antagonist. As for the book vs the film, I would say both are pretty weak but I will give the book the edge because of Domino's character.

@dakotarayprice 2 жыл бұрын

I like book More

@donaldmcauliffe3120 2 жыл бұрын

Yes the book was better however lab got in big trouble over the book a lawsuit which also cause problems with the movie lab had help with this book it originally to be the first James bond book

@neiljones1938 2 жыл бұрын

???

@davey2363 Жыл бұрын

The old films were a delight. The new films are all CGI. No middle ground. The Fleming books remain masterpieces; pure Fleming, coffee drunk from Minton porcelain, coffee poured from a Queen Anne coffee service; erudite in the extreme.

@obelix703 2 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed the Thunderball as a book more than either of the film adaptations. It’s so much fun.

@quantumofhistory4270 2 жыл бұрын

Really is a great ride start to finish.

@obelix703 2 жыл бұрын

@@quantumofhistory4270 I know, right?! I was dreading reading this one because of the movies, but it was so much fun that I nearly got Moonraker mad because of all the opportunities EON passed up.

@quantumofhistory4270 2 жыл бұрын

@@obelix703 same! I went into the novel expecting a mess and was so shocked and pleased how good it was.

@user-yk3rx7ok1i 2 жыл бұрын

@stevenabney7427 2 жыл бұрын

Possibly an odd choice but Cillian Murphy for the next JB…

@jeffreardon3969 2 жыл бұрын

The books are all better than the movies. Fleming created Bond in the novels. That is where the true essence of the character exists.

@peterfranks6243 2 жыл бұрын

You mean, Fleming, Wittingham and Mcclory Vs Film

@smileypeople5978 2 жыл бұрын

The movie is horrendous its the only one where I watch it then stop it to make a sandwich, make a cuppa, pause it again its so boring. The over cranked action sequences,, the flat bored direction it's only because Goldfinger was so great that it did so well. It's truly dire.

@user-yk3rx7ok1i 2 жыл бұрын

The movie is amazing and one of the top 3 Bond films of all time. Here is why: In Dr No, Connery is still experimenting with the role and he is great but yet a bit stiff. In From Russia with Love he explores more the "dark" side of the character. In Goldfinger he adds more charm and "witticism" and completes the formula. But in Thunderball he IS James Bond and the formula is perfected. Connery's performance on this is truly unique. He shows the greatest confidence ever. His style, his movements, the way he speaks, his one-liners, his demeanor and even the way he looks, everything that was built in the previous 3 films, reach perfection. He is "dark" and gritty and at the same time charming and stylish. He looks tough and ruthless which at the same time combines with incredible humor and unsurpassed style. And he obviously enjoys playing the character more than ever, either before or after. It is also the ultimate "escapism" movie. Beautiful exotic places, wonderful scenery and landscapes, incomparable lifestyle, amazing women (Fiona Volpe is an amazing femme fatale and Domino one of the hottest Bondgirls). it is even considered alongside with Goldfinger a "fashion icon" movie! The plot is simple but realistically believable. And for the first time it focuses on Bond himself and not the vilain. The action scenes are great. The gadjets are believable (the jet-pack was real in the beginning). And whatever you say, the underwater shooting and especially the underwater battle was a revolutionary achievement for the time and a unique sample of cinematography for 1965! So initially in Goldfinger but mainly in Thunderball, Connery reaches the fine line of perfection, as he becomes at the same time tough and refined, stylish and ruthless, a real killer with a sense of humor, who lives on the edge and therefore enjoys every minute of his life as if it were his last. Goldfinger at 85% and Thunderball at 100%, are the timeless epitome of the James Bond movies, before Connery got tired of the role in You Only Live Twice and before the production turned to a more comic version (parody-spoof) of Bond, with Diamonds Are Forever and the Roger Moore era. Also Thunderball is also historically extremely significant for the franchise that we love: It broke the smashing box office records. It is to this date the highest grossing Bond movie of all time (inflation counted). If Goldifinger created the "Bondmania", then Thunderball made it into a high fever. The flms remarkable achievements transformed James Bond from a popular fictional hero, into a phenomenon in cinema history

@wendellarmbrusterjr2122 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry David. The book is better. There's more at risk in the book. Always better. He's still hard and tough in the book. Understand that there are more points of view. But always go for the stronger narrative.

@user-yk3rx7ok1i 2 жыл бұрын

I believe you are wrong: In Dr No, Connery is still experimenting with the role and he is great but yet a bit stiff. In From Russia with Love he explores more the "dark" side of the character. In Goldfinger he adds more charm and "witticism" and completes the formula. But in Thunderball he IS James Bond and the formula is perfected. Connery's performance on this is truly unique. He shows the greatest confidence ever. His style, his movements, the way he speaks, his one-liners, his demeanor and even the way he looks, everything that was built in the previous 3 films, reach perfection. He is "dark" and gritty and at the same time charming and stylish. He looks tough and ruthless which at the same time combines with incredible humor and unsurpassed style. And he obviously enjoys playing the character more than ever, either before or after. It is also the ultimate "escapism" movie. Beautiful exotic places, wonderful scenery and landscapes, incomparable lifestyle, amazing women (Fiona Volpe is an amazing femme fatale and Domino one of the hottest Bondgirls). it is even considered alongside with Goldfinger a "fashion icon" movie! The plot is simple but realistically believable. And for the first time it focuses on Bond himself and not the vilain. The action scenes are great. The gadjets are believable (the jet-pack was real in the beginning). And whatever you say, the underwater shooting and especially the underwater battle was a revolutionary achievement for the time and a unique sample of cinematography for 1965! So initially in Goldfinger but mainly in Thunderball, Connery reaches the fine line of perfection, as he becomes at the same time tough and refined, stylish and ruthless, a real killer with a sense of humor, who lives on the edge and therefore enjoys every minute of his life as if it were his last. Goldfinger at 85% and Thunderball at 100%, are the timeless epitome of the James Bond movies, before Connery got tired of the role in You Only Live Twice and before the production turned to a more comic version (parody-spoof) of Bond, with Diamonds Are Forever and the Roger Moore era. Also Thunderball is also historically extremely significant for the franchise that we love: It broke the smashing box office records. It is to this date the highest grossing Bond movie of all time (inflation counted). If Goldifinger created the "Bondmania", then Thunderball made it into a high fever. The flms remarkable achievements transformed James Bond from a popular fictional hero, into a phenomenon in cinema history

@sparephone8228 2 жыл бұрын

The film is about 30 minutes too long. There are serious editing changes that could have been made. Continuity errors as well, dubbing out time, and an over the top speeded up boat sequence. For the first 90 minutes, the film is TOP entertainment, but the last 30-40 minutes are disappointing. Also the opening sequence is poor. It really needed a script closer to the book.

@martinkosecky4943 2 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love the novel. It really reads like a Dalton-like spy thriller with detective elements but I could never bring myself to like the film as much I want to. It's just so poorly paced, dull and boring compared to the rest of the 1960s Bond films in my opinion.

@quantumofhistory4270 2 жыл бұрын

I hear that a lot and I can see where you think that but idk I just love them both.

@user-yk3rx7ok1i 2 жыл бұрын

WHY I CONSIDER THUNDERBALL THE BEST BOND MOVIE: In Dr No, Connery is still experimenting with the role and he is great but yet a bit stiff. In From Russia with Love he explores more the "dark" side of the character. In Goldfinger he adds more charm and "witticism" and completes the formula. But in Thunderball he IS James Bond and the formula is perfected. Connery's performance on this is truly unique. He shows the greatest confidence ever. His style, his movements, the way he speaks, his one-liners, his demeanor and even the way he looks, everything that was built in the previous 3 films, reach perfection. He is "dark" and gritty and at the same time charming and stylish. He looks tough and ruthless which at the same time combines with incredible humor and unsurpassed style. And he obviously enjoys playing the character more than ever, either before or after. It is also the ultimate "escapism" movie. Beautiful exotic places, wonderful scenery and landscapes, incomparable lifestyle, amazing women (Fiona Volpe is an amazing femme fatale and Domino one of the hottest Bondgirls). it is even considered alongside with Goldfinger a "fashion icon" movie! The plot is simple but realistically believable. And for the first time it focuses on Bond himself and not the vilain. The action scenes are great. The gadjets are believable (the jet-pack was real in the beginning). And whatever you say, the underwater shooting and especially the underwater battle was a revolutionary achievement for the time and a unique sample of cinematography for 1965! So initially in Goldfinger but mainly in Thunderball, Connery reaches the fine line of perfection, as he becomes at the same time tough and refined, stylish and ruthless, a real killer with a sense of humor, who lives on the edge and therefore enjoys every minute of his life as if it were his last. Goldfinger at 85% and Thunderball at 100%, are the timeless epitome of the James Bond movies, before Connery got tired of the role in You Only Live Twice and before the production turned to a more comic version (parody-spoof) of Bond, with Diamonds Are Forever and the Roger Moore era. Also Thunderball is also historically extremely significant for the franchise that we love: It broke the smashing box office records. It is to this date the highest grossing Bond movie of all time (inflation counted). If Goldifinger created the "Bondmania", then Thunderball made it into a high fever. The flms remarkable achievements transformed James Bond from a popular fictional hero, into a phenomenon in cinema history

@khajiit8221 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely. Recently watched all the Bond films. Thunderball is the only one I did not like. Slow, boring, just didn't like but, but that is my opinion. Never Say Never Again was honestly better! Just more action and a fun film.

@ediesedgwick4462 2 жыл бұрын

The movie is light years better than the book, which is only marginally--and, baby, I mean marginally--better than any of the other crap Fleming wrote. And that was only because the book was a novelization of a script on which he was working with two other people. The rest of his oeuvre is unreadable. I had to force myself to finish reading Casino Royale and Dr. No and I couldn't choke down anything past the fourth chapter of Moonraker. How Fleming convinced movie producers to take a chance on such poorly written material, I'll never know.

@spaceodds1985 2 жыл бұрын

Thunderball is one of my worst Bond films. Dull, boring, slow paced and claustrophobic. No contest, the novel is better… and even the novel itself is pretty week.

@DavyDredd14 2 жыл бұрын

Thunderball (1965) is brilliant and most definitely a quintessential 'Bond' Film !

@spaceodds1985 2 жыл бұрын

@@DavyDredd14 No denying it, but it is a dull film. Besides if you want a 007 epic, watch The Spy Who Loved Me.

@DavyDredd14 2 жыл бұрын

@@spaceodds1985 Yes, I highly rate 'Thunderall' as an epic Bond Film much like I do with others such as 'From Russia with Love' & 'The Spy Who Loved Me'

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@ricardocantoral7672 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I think the atmosphere was well crafted but the film is a slog to get through.