This is a great episode. I love this discussion and I’d love to see more of these for the ITB podcast in between actual guests coming on.

Love this episode. Baseline mids changed my game after listening to this!

Hunter hit the nail on the head at 17 min. Don't force a disc to beat in. Once it doesn't fly like it used to, youve unlocked a new shot and then you get a new one to replace that original flight

I think Hunter’s point about minimizing happening naturally is what it comes down to. Someone who has played long enough to know what they like and actually beat in enough discs can do this. Also, I prefer different molds in the same plastic. A teebird in star vs dx feels much more different to me than a teebird and leopard3 both in star. I think dx will soften a bit as it beats in, so I’m gonna keep trying it for a little while, but we’ll see

This was a great video! The original format started off exciting but lost steam. You guys should do more of these talking about things like: matching arm speed to disc speed, is glide real (Brodie), what slots to I actually need (test/track it in several rounds), do utility discs actually save strokes, etc.

Great video! One thing to add is that some manufacturers have different discs that are molded extremely similar to their counterparts in different stabilities. For example: Truth, EMac Truth, Verdict or Buzzz SS, Buzzz, Buzzz OS. Also, can’t forget the base plastic for upshot discs to stick in place!

Im definitely a mold minimalist but its tough now a days there's so much great plastic out there. TSA is slowly taking over my bag.

Touching on the MVP/Gyro question: A lot of MVP molds have an Axiom counterpart that's meant to mimic a beat-in [MVP]. The notion is that the Wrath is meant to be a beat-in Tesla, Crave is beat-in Servo, Hex is beat-in Reactor, etc. We can argue the Wrath/Tesla, but the Hex is absolutely a beat-in Reactor. I agree that it's just a question of time for mold minimalization, and I'm not convinced it's a goal to strive for. I throw a lot of Gyro, and I bagged a Hex when they first came out. I realized, though, my Reactor had beat in to the stage where it was just a Hex but better (at least for me). So, now I bag a newer stable Reactor and my old beat-in flippy Reactor. Likewise, I have a stable and an understable Crave. I didn't set out to accomplish those duplications, but my game and my discs evolved in such a way as to make it work for me.

If your like me and struggle with angle control, you use several molds with the same throw to make up the difference

I learned to play in 2015, at the age of 25. I took the advice of using the tbird as a beginner disc. I'm still having form issues because of it... 😆

I appreciate the time you guys put into this podcast.

Enjoyed all of the thought provoking questions, and group dialogue of weighing personal disc strategies. Also the idea that the Teebird is a baby firebird makes me want to revisit that disc I gave up on and perhaps maybe look at it differently.

To what Robbie said about baseline and pros. The Envy JC threw in was firm electron plastic. I know it's a putter but he uses it as a mid essentially and even said that in his in the bag (that he only throws like 1-2 mids because no the envy)

I think part of the reason you don't see base plastic mids as much is because shipping them from European manufacturers eats into the price too much. That and fast putters/approach discs like Envies and Zones really encroached on the classic 4 speed wide diameter mids like Rocs, Comets, etc.

I'm with Brad. I think especially early on when you're learning about molds and plastics it's natural to venture out and try a lot of variety and then you figure out what is comfortable and what you'd ultimately bag moving forward and eventually minimalize from there. Great episode.

I got a teebird in my starter pack and loved it

Do more of these! I like the other ones too of course, but this is great.

pro-d buzzz were so good.. base line plastic is so underrated.

I agree that trying out new discs is one of the things that keeps it fun. The only molds that I carry multiples of in various plastics and wear are Volts and Wraiths. One of the things I love about MVP is that they have multiple molds that feel so close. I just picked up Neutron Signal, Relay, Crave and Servo to try out and they all feel the same in the hand but fly quite differently. The Crave is a bit different because of the different plastic, but I would have a hard time telling the others apart without close inspection. I’m feeling Brad’s Vulture Dilemma. The Volt has become my favorite mold, but I’m starting to worry these Servos might take over some of their spots.

the electron envy's beat into a proxy eventually. I used to putt with them and when they got too beat up I would switch them to the thrower slot

Great episode guys! I started playing in 05, played for 5 years then injury made me quit. In January of this year I picked the sport back up and here is something I noticed or maybe im just bias but, Innova PFN disc fly better than what they have on the market today. Ive been working on my back hand which has had me out in the field and out of the stack of 25 disc I take out there, I have noticed that that the PFNs have been my furthest fliers. This was about 8 different occasions out of 10 and I only throw 3 PFNs in that stack. The PFNs I own arn't beat to crap so maybe there is another reason they fly further but I thought that was interesting.

Lol discussion with friend about how this year I’ve gone from disc I’ve had for 6-10 years and minimal molds to all new bag this year and many new molds. Old multiple disc molds that aren’t even in my bag. Oddly score the same.

I think my mold minimalization has been due to figuring out what I like and me only throwing forehand that I don’t have to bag discs for backhand. I kinda have my workhorse tent pole of discs the zone/raptor/force then I have tried to do another tent pole with the berg/reactor/ and still trying to find the fairway for the slightly overstable/neutral spot

Tb3 is 8 speed. The ab color glow are my fav. Super grippy and glowy and durable. Prolly my fav plastic overall and I’m usually a star/esp guy

Bought many base plastic m2s until a premium plastic one beats in and honestly have been loving it

The topic of beating in discs is very interesting to me personally, I have been playing disc golf for 6 years and I would say I only have a couple beat in discs from over the years. I throw all brands and have the same experience with all premium plastics, they do not beat in fast. My thought is where I live and play, I live in Canada and play mostly park style courses. I hit trees but it would take me three years of playing with a disc in my bag to see a noticeable change in its flight. What are your thoughts?

This episode is gold! I might be a little biased tho

i always just tell friends that are getting into the sport to pick a fairway that feels good in the hand to build their bag around. everything else can be switched around and tested, but they can always reach for that trusted fairway to hit a tunnel.

This video is great, I’m right at the “jump ship” phase in my journey. Now I’m all confused lolol I have way to many mids (roc’s, buzzz’s, compass’s and Emac truths)🤦🏽‍♂️ Keep up the great work fellas!!!

i got 16 discs and 12 different molds in mine... been playing 6 months and now i want to minimalize the bag to get better with my bag

Similar ones could be paired like the Hex / EMac Truth / Gatekeeper / Quake, Mako3 / Anubis

Keep hunter in the show, great mix!

I use to throw a full MVP bag with my only duplicate disc being my putters, Hex, octane. Recently went full Lone Star bag over the last month. With much more “mold minimalistic” bag due to them simply having less options for disc molds and I’ve been playing my best golf to date. Not saying lone star is better than MVP! I think the improvement is from the simplified mold bag.

I wanted to be a Buzzz thrower too... the Hex had other plans

I only bag three mids, three putters and three high speed drivers…and like 11 fairways.

I have been in sales before and I have been told that if you price things too low, people will subconsciously turn away because they are thinking it’s cheap quality wise. The big slogan of, “you get what you paid for,” as in if you pay less it doesn’t last. Premium means it will last. People will pay a little extra to get there moneys worth. The difference between the price of base line plastic to the price to premium plastic is way smaller then the difference of the durability of the 2.

Consistent release. Biggest reason imo for mold minimization

You don’t need to beat any mids in now that Discraft is making X Line Stratus’s again. Best hyzer flip disc I’ve ever thrown out of the box. I went back and got many more. I’m sure that will beat in but no need to beat in a more stable disc to do that when I have a ton of brand new discs that already do.

I prefer mold minimalization with different plastics. I bag multiple photons, volts, reactors and envy’s I different plastics and levels of wear. The fission (and electron for the envy) is more flippy, the cosmic neutron or eclipse is more OS, and the neutron and plasma are both in between. With that said, I lost my flippy fission volt and my new one isn’t where that was but a brand new insanity was somehow perfect. A slightly different feel but not so different that it feels weird.

I'm loving my champ leopard3

I don’t think keeping beat in mold works, at least for me. I have 2 reactors one that’s fission and one that’s glow. I never throw the fission anymore because I don’t trust it to fly like a reactor anymore. I always grab my mockingbird for the flippy style shot that reactor now flys like. I guess it gets in my head that when I throw a reactor, I want it to throw like a reactor not some goofy flippy reactor/ uplink flight this thing now does.

I could honestly play with only Z plastic and be perfectly fine. I just really like having a ton of other plastics though. Currently 11 molds and I can’t seem to change that 😂

Leopard in dx is the flippiest disc on earth. Leopard in any premium plastics is a tilt all the sudden lol

Maybe flight numbers need serious reconsideration, i kimd of feel like they need something more understandable

The really old DX plastic, was so money, the new stuff is so cheap and it beats up so quickly. Innova most misunderstood plastic is the PRO .

Buy Innova F2s at $6 bucks the best deal going. The Innova plastic integrity and characteristics lasts for years

Barsby throws a lot of baseline.

I love the old star and old Dx plastic a ton also you should have me on because im switching my whole bag to lone star and want to go about it in a minimalist way.

I feel that mold minimalization is a bit of an outdated idea for disc golf, back to a time when there weren't so many options. With so many discs available on the market you can easily find any nuanced flight with a brand new disc.

Throwing different plastic type for me is much worse than throwing different molds for the same speed/type of disc.

Take a look on Braithwaite "in the bag"

I'm waiting to see who gets sponsored by Trash Panda and plays with a bag full of only Inner Cores.

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