This is the kind of videos a lot of FPV pilots actually need to watch and understand all the concepts behind RF transmission, beam, axial ratio, polarization and gain. Too many people are still making that terrible mistake of bumping the RF power where they actually need better antenna(s) for the job! Thanks for the fantastic job as always

Only video I found with this exact info. I wanted to retain the stock antenna on my TinyHawk Freestyle ll but still improve reception with my goggle antennas. I'm trying to avoid a bigger antenna, increasing weight of the drone and dropping flight time with the way I fly. With a standard flight time of 4-5 min depending on battery used, I want to save every second I can. Super helpful, two thumbs up n four boobs.

Oh sweet, more Antenna Lab, I keep recommending individual videos and this series when I see people ask questions/talk about using 90 degree adapters and TPU mounts for their antennas.

Fantastic, Lee! That's fantastic to know! 😃 Thanks Mr. Menace as well!

Great! The antenna series are so far the most informative fpv series

Nice to see some tests using the correct equipment to measure the received signal. Interesting and informative test results.

Hi Lee great video. Would like to re-iterate what's already been said. This is a massive gray area that MOST RC users do not understand and consequently end up with total mis-matches. A great series on a hot topic. Nice one Lee.

Thank you alooooot. I almost was decided to buy to omnidirectional antenna(on the skydroid receiver) for woop quadcopter. NOW I know it will not impruve the signall over linear linear one

What about 90 degree response of the circularly polarized vs the linear? I thought the losses at 90 degree out of phase for CP would be less than the loss due to the linear signal mismatch? Fantastic series as always though! Big thanks to MenaceRC, couldn't do it without them!

Great Information when I first started we were moving forward with all the new antennas not looking back, When Drones got smaller this changed things and now my thinking about these bad antennas I threw away. I will definitely be trying one of these combinations.

The Bandicoot rocks! - Thanks for confirming what I've felt for a long time, it's the ticket for Whoops and backpack combos with the 1/4 wave stub. I usually leave the RHCP Mad Mushroom on the other side, even though that's less than optimal, I rarely have issues with range. On the Rapidfire, I've often used 2 Duckies, one vertical, one Horiz, and the Bandicoot with a linear duckie at 45deg - it's close, but my opinion is the Bandicoot combo wins. Thanks - I like the antenna lab series, always look forward to another test.

Thanks guys very helpful info. I’ve got all the patches of menace I thinks they are great. Really appreciate the time and energy that goes in to making them for us. Thank you 👍🏽😁

Your both legends, thanks a lot guys. :)

exelent. got a menace bandicoot and old akk linear antenna im keeping in my tinywhoop bag now

Just the video I needed! Thanks!

Very useful info thanks! Wish I'd looked into this before buying new antenna's

KZfaq is nuts. The exact answer to my exact question

Good info - I always read that antennas should be paired, and wondered how the heck that translated to whoops.

Just as I was planning on ordering some goggle antennas for micros :D

I like a bi-quad for linear. Also in my real world testing a skew planar does much better with multipathing than a linear on the goggles. Like a difference of me being able to fly 4 levels of a house vs 2. While maintaining LOS linear seemed better though I never fly long distance or maintain LOS with a micro quad and if I do the biquad covers it.

Nice! Basic but needed

I imagine a tiny whoop that has just a little copper wire for an antenna would be the same sort of thing?

Great video! Thank you!

Thanks a bunch!

Disappointing not to see the measurement of the effect of rotating the two linear whip antennas to 90deg...

Thank you...! Very good presentation about FPV...! =)

great work buddy.i have plenty antennas but none are any good.

Really useful info - I have RHCP on my goggles, but most of my quads use linear, so I guess I should get some new antennas for my goggles. Looking at getting some "duck" antennas like ones in the video, but unsure of which one to buy - I see a lot advertised as being 2.4g/5.8g - are these optimal? Links to UK stockists of good duck antennas for use with goggles would be great. Also, as I have quad diversity goggles, I guess optimal setup would be 3x duck antennas (One pointing up, one right, one straight) plus one linear patch?

First🤗 Menace antennas are so good I really rate them ! Good bang for the buck for sure 👌🏻 Thanks for the science 😃

Great information. I use a pico and a lollipop 2 on a furious true d 3.6 module with fatshark hdo oled flying a babyhawk 3. Great quad. Is rapidfire better. To get a better quality picture and signal and the mix of antennas you say would be better. If so I'm sold

I wonder how many people have considered that many issues come from multiple whoops in the air at the same time? In this case, I don’t think you’re antenna selection will really improve your video as much as reducing gain and focusing on the appropriate frequency. At whoop races I tend to fly without any antennas at all and it has improved my video quality substantially, likely because I pick up less interference from other whoops on nearby channels.

This all makes sense. However when I fly tiny whoops with a linear antenna it's always in a metal building. So would it be better to combat multipathing with the receiving antenna that is circular polarized even though the transmitting antenna is linear? I've always used used CP antennas on the receiver. But This is a long-standing thought that I would love to see a answered.

Co0ol video! Thanks! 🤘

PLEASE SHOW US YOUR BIG HAIR DAY! LOL I CAN'T WAIT! 🤪🤯

Just curious, how do the linear patches and yagis perform compared to if a dipole was placed with a large dish like the ones used by tv set top boxes

Would this work on emax transporter goggles as a upgrade??

Nice video. Interesting. Had one thought/concern... I appreciate the performance of the linear patch, but clocking the patch showed quite a bit of impact. So how much would panning and tilting of the patch further diminish that? That was not examined here. Normal patch antennas are very directional, so I'd have to assume the linear patch is too...? (Dipoles at least don't suffer from panning of the antenna, so I wonder if at particular compound angles, two dipoles don''t out perform the dipole/linear-patch.) Hope I explained that OK

The best antenna to use with a linear is another linear, CP causes a loss of 3dbi

Thank you very much for the video! It is a little advanced for me as a beginner in the hobby. I was researching for a problem in my tiny whoop and found your video. I would be very grateful if you can help me with this problem. When I move my tiny whoop less than 1 meter from the fpv glasses, the signal is lost and the image disappears. With another tiny whoop this problem does not occur. In this case it could just be the original antenna that has low quality or could it also be a problem on the VTX card? Thanks.

Nice work! Maybe you can help me here, if you use an helical antenna on your goggles, what kind of antenna should one have on the aircraft? (5.8GHz)

Hi,what is the tall antenna that you are using on your goggles? Thanks

Great video!! I'm going to have to order me a linear patch now, as far as the regular linear antenna that people say are cheap, do they make a higher quality one, other than the ones that come free with goggles n stuff?

Almost every one who reviews goggles the first thing they say is throw away those antenna's they come with and go get better antenna's . SO those cheap little straight up dipoles so many goggles come with are the better antenna ?

cool

Begs the question re the taranis, how should the antennae be? Laying left, right or pointing straight out; pointing towards you?

I've got a budget set of eachine vr004, can I upgrade them with better antenna?

what about for diversity system? should we use two linear patch 90 degrees orientation for each other?

So with a linear whoop I'd be served well to keep two linears on my goggles? One vertical and the other horizontal? Aren't patch antennas directional?

Thank you so much for the video, do you have any advice for an omni linear antenna ?

Sir, what will be better choice between foxeer lollipop and pagoda. to be used on rc plane.

Any chance of a 2021 updated video?

What model power screwdriver is that?

Probably a reason to justify me getting into electrical engineering (radio course) in University😂🤭

Late to the party on this but can some one help clear up some things for me please. I’m new to FPV. I’ve done so much research and sourced pretty much my first decent setup with what I can afford. I have the Jumper T-lite RC, the TinyHawk 2 Freestyle (stock config) and settled on the Eachine EV100 goggles. I’m after a patch antenna and a lollipop antenna for my goggles. I have learnt that I’m supposed to match them (L or R) right? 😅 but also have to make sure it works with my drone. I’m going round in circles here. If someone can help answer this for me it would be appreciated. I just want to get them ordered now so it’s all in place and I can work on my skills. Thanks in advance.

Don’t know why ALL these newer 3inch down to whoops are now using cheap wire linear antennas, EVERYONE uses circular polarized antennas on their goggles, and stubby lollipops and micro axii antennas weigh NOTHING! Every quad 3inch down to 75mmwhoops should come with a micro axii at the least

This type of work is greatly appreciated, thanks. I see and cannot deny the bench test, pure power gain received, but in real world where the transmit distance is much longer and multipathing potentially greater is it actually better? Would like to see a followup video field test. See Wayne's real world test where he concludes that at least for omni, (not patch), that skew circular omni was better from real world breakup perspective than linear duck: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p61lldZ9uNrRcqc.html I would love to see in house/building as well as outside real world test with omni linear vs skew/circular