Frances Fox Piven vs. Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell

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13 жыл бұрын

In this clip from the 1980 Free To Choose, socialist Frances Fox Piven tangles with Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell. We thought this would be interesting in light of the dustup between The New York Times and Fox News (Glenn Beck) on the subject of Piven.
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@daveBit15
@daveBit15 12 жыл бұрын
“When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell
@hookalakah
@hookalakah 12 жыл бұрын
Milton Friedman was right in 1980, he's right today, and he'll be right in 2180.
@iluvinternalcombustion
@iluvinternalcombustion 5 жыл бұрын
I love how every argument Friedman hears he's just smiling, he knows he's going to destroy it and it's only a matter of time, it's too easy for him.
@craigamore2319
@craigamore2319 4 жыл бұрын
He's like a wily Cheshire cat about to pounce.
@danielu.4957
@danielu.4957 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't know that no matter the time of history, leftists always argued against the debater and not the argument itself. Friedman and Sowell, real gentlemen, didn't need to reject their adversary before engage the debate as the british guy has.
@TheBehm08
@TheBehm08 4 жыл бұрын
iluvinternalcombustion like a movie or video game when the boss is super overpowered and he’s listening to your plea for his life or that he’s gonna defeat you. And you just laugh hysterically at his gall 😂
@davidulu9596
@davidulu9596 4 жыл бұрын
he simply knows the reality of the argument's claims
@blankblank1949
@blankblank1949 4 жыл бұрын
Unless he went toe to toe against Samuelson it wont be interesting. Friedman vs Samuelson. Chicago economics vs New Keynesian
@keepyouright6157
@keepyouright6157 9 жыл бұрын
friedman and sowell were pretty cool dudes
@DelkorYT
@DelkorYT 9 жыл бұрын
sowell is still a pretty cool guy
@catchgenerics8667
@catchgenerics8667 5 жыл бұрын
Sowell is still alive my man
@JTNugget
@JTNugget 4 жыл бұрын
I just love how time has only proven them right. And yet people out there willfully turn a blind eye to it.
@Walkeranz
@Walkeranz 4 жыл бұрын
Total badasses
@greywinters4801
@greywinters4801 9 жыл бұрын
"Compared to what?" This question shuts down communists in no time at all.
@miamivlad
@miamivlad 4 жыл бұрын
Grey Winters Yep. I use Sowell’s three questions, including this one. It’s so sad when a great mind like Sowell’s gets completely ignored then and now, even though he is providing facts backed up by statistical data & research.
@ssjwes
@ssjwes 4 жыл бұрын
@@miamivlad I would've voted for him if he had ran for President.
@sexistspaghettios
@sexistspaghettios 3 жыл бұрын
@@miamivlad could you imagine where we'd be if these 2 men were listened to and taken seriously?! One could only dream!
@sexistspaghettios
@sexistspaghettios 3 жыл бұрын
I only actually discovered this question when listening to the Hoover Institute interview with Douglas Murray and it made so much sense!
@Vic2point0
@Vic2point0 3 жыл бұрын
Sowell and Friedman: "The best way to help the poor is-" Their critics: "So you don't care about the poor!? What an outrage!!"
@peterdragon6367
@peterdragon6367 4 жыл бұрын
Friedman and sowell should be taught in every high school and college in America
@iPetty14
@iPetty14 3 жыл бұрын
It is so refreshing to see a group of people who deeply disagree that actually let each other finish their thoughts. This type of debate does not happen often in society today unfortunately.
@azchris1979
@azchris1979 5 жыл бұрын
1980: Nobody is talking about absolute equality of outcome. 2019: Anything less than absolute equality or outcome (equity) is immoral. They predicted the future 40 years in advance. It is almost like they have insight. Hmm.
@lZY8d70P-sTP
@lZY8d70P-sTP 4 жыл бұрын
no leftist intellectual in 2019 ar proposing absolute equality of any sort
@jimbartlett1333
@jimbartlett1333 4 жыл бұрын
That statement is intrinsic to socialist doctrine. Apposing argument will invariably be characterized as 'immoral'. Shutting down debate that way is a socialist's universal orthodoxy.It reveals an underlying intellectual dishonesty that is being exposed quite clearly recently and I'm happy to see that given the historical carnage that socialism has left behind it everywhere it's been implemented. Radical egalitarianism is in direct contradiction to human nature and all nature. This is self evident to anyone with even a micron of objectivity.In 1980, they were merely being a little more diplomatic about their world view. Even Sowell and Friedman could see through this rouse then.
@LovingPrinceTamayuki
@LovingPrinceTamayuki 4 жыл бұрын
I believe it was Solomon that's said that, "There is nothing new under the sun." If you know the right information, and are wise enough you can predict the thoughts or actions of mankind.
@Cenot4ph
@Cenot4ph 4 жыл бұрын
it's an impossible aim, but left wing ideology isn't concerned with reality
@g.lowenklee2268
@g.lowenklee2268 4 жыл бұрын
And none of you replying in affirmation of the the original comment were at all concerned with the fallacious claim he made that anyone today is credibly talking about equality of outcome (equity or otherwise) ...so one thing is certainly correct as regards then vs now, there's always you nefarious fuckers to reliably tilt at windmills.
@philarchuletta
@philarchuletta 10 жыл бұрын
Someone should replay all of Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell videos in a series on national television or put a documentary together to be watched in the theaters. Our country needs these men today.
@YManCyberDude
@YManCyberDude 8 жыл бұрын
Friedman is just one of those chaps I sometimes find my self watching for hours on KZfaq . . . We just don't have any thinkers like this these days & if we did they would not be permitted the freedom of discourse as was back in his time . . .
@Godzilla52
@Godzilla52 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, its kind of sad. Back then, America had Friedman and Sowell. Today the American right has Dinesh D'souza, Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh. Honestly the decline of Conservative intellectualism in America is embarrassing.
@YManCyberDude
@YManCyberDude 7 жыл бұрын
Godzilla52 … Intellectualism in not only America but the entire planet has dropped several points over the last few decades …
@workingguy
@workingguy 7 жыл бұрын
Well, at Thomas Sowell is still alive (and active)!
@YManCyberDude
@YManCyberDude 7 жыл бұрын
workingguy … Still digging Thomas Sowell too & the way he still puts his views out there. Good man…
@MrSquigglypuff
@MrSquigglypuff 7 жыл бұрын
Thomas Sowell isn't dead...
@toaojackson7447
@toaojackson7447 7 жыл бұрын
Chile now not only the strongest country economically in the region, but also the first south american country to get visa free visits to the U.S.
@MrDarkbard
@MrDarkbard 4 жыл бұрын
And now, we are being bombarded with lefty communist populism and politics are more on the left than the right. Immigrants pouring into our country with no restrictions or whatsoever. Taxes getting higher. Security on the streets getting low. Drugs taking their share of the population, etc. Is not looking good 'round here.
@Cenot4ph
@Cenot4ph 4 жыл бұрын
@Wade left wing ideology doesnt concernt itself with the truth that's the scary part of it
@tonymuhamad
@tonymuhamad 4 жыл бұрын
@Wade who did it work for? Sure, GDP per capita is up, but who's that money going to? "A 2018 government study showed that the richest Chileans had an income nearly 14 times greater than the poorest. Chile is the most unequal of OECD countries, with an income gap that's about 65% higher than the OECD average." That's who. You must think capitalism worked in America. Sad to break it to you buddy, but America has failed more people than it has "helped". We're a country where our laws are written by the elite for the elite. Democrats and Republicans both need to wake tf up and realize it instead of getting wrapped up in destructive and distracting "identity politics". They don't give af about your freedoms, they just want to put more money in their pockets. Friedman was a smart guy, and he might have truly had the best interest of the people in his heart. But he wasn't actually the one who got to choose which of his policies were implemented. Think about that before you praise everything he stands for.
@tonymuhamad
@tonymuhamad 4 жыл бұрын
"A 2018 government study showed that the richest Chileans had an income nearly 14 times greater than the poorest. Chile is the most unequal of OECD countries, with an income gap that's about 65% higher than the OECD average."
@padywac1970
@padywac1970 4 жыл бұрын
The Independent Chronicler why is it that you point out the the difference or pay gap between the richest and poorest, and fail to point out the fact that the poorest are not as poor? Bringing the rich down doesn’t make the poor less poor. The ideology of taking from the rich always seems to bring EVERYBODY down eventually, why can’t you see this?
@matepesut
@matepesut 6 жыл бұрын
Its like children asking their dad about the real world.
@tommydenato8863
@tommydenato8863 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha that made me laugh. Good one.
@user-zy1oh8jk7j
@user-zy1oh8jk7j 4 жыл бұрын
40 years later, you can not have a discussion where the opposing views are so polite as to actually listen and let each other finish their statements.
@williamdufour4826
@williamdufour4826 6 жыл бұрын
Friedman and Sowell are correct!
@Libertino
@Libertino 5 жыл бұрын
Duh! :D
@Dominancelogistics
@Dominancelogistics 4 жыл бұрын
These two men should be studied in jr high and high school.
@DAVIDWTCS
@DAVIDWTCS 3 жыл бұрын
Friedman and Sowell should be the standard by which all things economic and government are judged.
@zorrier
@zorrier 4 жыл бұрын
As a Chilean citizen, thank you Milton Friedman for making Chile what it is today.
@Allothersweretakenn
@Allothersweretakenn 5 жыл бұрын
Sowell and Friedman on the same side tag teaming got damn it doesn’t get any better than this
@stephenoni2019
@stephenoni2019 7 жыл бұрын
men, listening to Thomas Sowell is just amazing! so smart, so articulate! dang!
@jaygerlach6884
@jaygerlach6884 4 жыл бұрын
Especially these videos where he is young. The dude had some serious fire in his tone! ;)
@JosephMcMurray1984
@JosephMcMurray1984 4 жыл бұрын
If this conversation happened today, a mob of antifa protestors would be outside trying to close the venue
@TheMrNightrain
@TheMrNightrain 11 жыл бұрын
I love how she dodges his question about naming a society throughout history where capitalism wasn't the dominant mechanism.
@BarbaraJoanneBJ
@BarbaraJoanneBJ 8 жыл бұрын
God!!! (Yes, I am addressing HIM!!) where is today's Friedman? And, since we're chatting sir, please keep Thomas Sowell with us for, oh, a million more years. Thanks.
@carminesilverado
@carminesilverado 8 жыл бұрын
+BarbaraJoanneBJ I so strongly agree with you ,the voice of reason
@CzipperzIncorporated
@CzipperzIncorporated 7 жыл бұрын
Ben Shapiro?
@es3259
@es3259 5 жыл бұрын
Ben Shapiro + Jordan Peterson combined
@vijaynair2403
@vijaynair2403 4 жыл бұрын
Many think it’s Shapiro. I disagree. He’s way too flippant and antagonistic. There’s no one like Friedman. Sowell is still alive. And I hope his and Milton’s intellect and demeanor have touched some young people out there.
@ryanlong8550
@ryanlong8550 4 жыл бұрын
It was Ron Paul for me.
@miamivlad
@miamivlad 4 жыл бұрын
Gives me chills watching legends like Friedman & Sowell school the virtue signaling, pompous leftists.
@fredpearson5204
@fredpearson5204 5 жыл бұрын
Piven is a perfect example of someone who places more value on emotion than facts. Intellectually, she's overmatched by Friedman or Sowell.
@jacobgolden9482
@jacobgolden9482 10 жыл бұрын
Schooled. Friedman AND Sowell is just overkill.
@jgbpkoolguys
@jgbpkoolguys 3 жыл бұрын
Look how civil these people are speaking with each other
@quantrindic5488
@quantrindic5488 6 жыл бұрын
Well Milton, seems like they're arguing for equality of identity now too...
@kenthawley5990
@kenthawley5990 5 жыл бұрын
Milton Friedman was an intellectual giant.
@wbgiii
@wbgiii 4 жыл бұрын
I love how people could disagree with each other civilly
@tekay44
@tekay44 3 жыл бұрын
Chile? Friedman says to Sowell, " hold my beer. " lol.
@EltonJThe
@EltonJThe 13 жыл бұрын
93 people love this program. Thank you for uploading it.
@crazycat5958
@crazycat5958 3 жыл бұрын
So good. I love watching these again and again.
@Calbenmike
@Calbenmike 4 жыл бұрын
Sowell and Friedman are Tag Team Champions.
@gawrbage
@gawrbage 4 жыл бұрын
After reading "vs. Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell" I knew the other side will not stand a chance.
@happyfndeplorable1605
@happyfndeplorable1605 5 жыл бұрын
Hmm look who keeps interrupting and talking over the other, then get challenged and fall flat. Still a rather civil discussion in the end. Friedman wins, Freedom wins!
@beng4151
@beng4151 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, nearly every concern to reduce inequality is wrong. The reason is that it usually backfires and creates MORE inequality. The best way to make things as equal as possible is to, as Milton stated, let people be free to choose.
@Adam-bq2vw
@Adam-bq2vw 9 жыл бұрын
When we discuss privilege, we only discuss certain types. What about height privilege? Looks privilege? Geographic privilege? Grew up in educated household privilege? Lack of deformity privilege? Thin privilege? Naturally energetic privilege? Intelligence privilege? Didn't get beat on as a child privilege?...
@VidkunQL
@VidkunQL 9 жыл бұрын
A little off topic, but there's a wonderful line in "Enemy at the Gates": "Even in a Soviet world, there will always be rich and poor. Rich in gifts, poor in gifts. Rich in love, poor in love..."
@xxcrysad3000xx
@xxcrysad3000xx 9 жыл бұрын
VidkunQL Great film, great line.
@Adam-bq2vw
@Adam-bq2vw 7 жыл бұрын
+VidkunQL Yep. Good movie, and I think that was its point.
@MrCordycep
@MrCordycep 4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately your gravest fears have been realised. We now have an ever expanding set of perceived privileges that are used by sociopaths to gain access to what they have done nothing to deserve.
@ElRey_Congo
@ElRey_Congo 5 жыл бұрын
“I challenge you to produce a counter example in the history of the world where capitalism as the primary economic mechanism hasn’t produced a freer society “ nobody has ever answered this challenge... it is Milton Friedman’s, Thomas Sowell’s and Walter Williams’ mic drop and pimp slap 👋🏽 The motivation for people in government will always be power at the expense of others, the motivation of free market will always be profit where it’s positive sum and increased choice with freedom and liberty resulting. NO bailouts, NO croney capitalism, NO government in the free market!!!
@dkswede
@dkswede 13 жыл бұрын
I just came back from a seminar on food security and land grabbing. Again a perfect example of NOT understanding what free market libertarians are standing for. My teacher had a 40 min rant on how capitalism/libertarianism is creating food scarcity in the developed world because of heavy subsidies in the US and in the EU countries. I almost cried! Since when does heavy subsidizing have anything to do with libertarianism?!?!?!
@zoalord12
@zoalord12 4 жыл бұрын
God damn this interviewer is so good. Where are people like these nowadays ?
@eduardoelgueta-goycoolea2500
@eduardoelgueta-goycoolea2500 8 жыл бұрын
I would like to watch the continuation of this clip, does anyone know where is it available?
@semperparatus3685
@semperparatus3685 5 жыл бұрын
This is when you could debate and argue an idiots position into dust and take the emotionalism to the woodshed and shine light on facts and reality. The "Green New Deal" is a equality of result. Everyone would starve.
@mohtoadh
@mohtoadh 8 жыл бұрын
It appears that such constructive, educative discussions rarely occur nowadays; perhaps it is true that the average human IQ is declining.
@SleekMinister
@SleekMinister 8 жыл бұрын
Better believe it. More people have never been autistic than today.
@gybx4094
@gybx4094 7 жыл бұрын
Imho, IQ is being forced lower in the name of absolute equality, like Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron". On the common level, SJW absolutism is destroying competition (e.g. team sports, anti-Valedictorianism, etc.) yet it hasn't been able to suppress a Michael Phelps due to quantitative physicality. Yet it has successfully suppressed the potential Friedman/Sowell thinkers in academia. It has squelched freedom of thought/expression through political correctness with hypersensitivity and emotionalism replacing free inquiry. That's just mho, but I'm 58 and my mother is 95, so we have collective memory.
@johnclever8813
@johnclever8813 3 жыл бұрын
SleekMinister Autistic have the same IQ on average as other people, but the derivative IQ is much higher. You have many more mentally retarded autists, but you also have people with Asperger’s syndrome who are much smarter on average.
@WifeOfTheBeast
@WifeOfTheBeast 4 жыл бұрын
"The entrepreneurs of that free enterprise system have always used government-- and the question that you raised is whether other people can use government to achieve their ends. The free enterprise system as it is spread around the world is spread through the force of arm and those arms....and those arms are wielded by the way of governments. " She is conflating authoritarianism with the free market.
@b3makinn
@b3makinn 5 жыл бұрын
She’s still looking for an example
@republic8886
@republic8886 6 жыл бұрын
you know shit is about to go down when Prof. Friedman taps his glasses
@thegoodgeneral
@thegoodgeneral 12 жыл бұрын
Friedman and Sowell in the same room. I think I just felt an earthquake... or was that my shivers?
@marcoperrott8160
@marcoperrott8160 3 жыл бұрын
This is what modern “talk shows “ are missing.
@impasse0124
@impasse0124 5 жыл бұрын
I was really getting into this segment when the video finished. Where is the rest of it?
@freetochoosenetwork
@freetochoosenetwork 5 жыл бұрын
You can watch the entire Free To Choose 1980 series here: www.freetochoose.tv/broadcasts/ftc80.php
@progste
@progste 5 жыл бұрын
And this debate is still going on to this day.
@CarloGuitardello
@CarloGuitardello 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, nowadays Milton couldn't even finish a sentence without being interrupted.
@domingoknife6280
@domingoknife6280 4 жыл бұрын
1:53 Thought bubble: "Imma bout to wreck your world."
@chrisyo4461
@chrisyo4461 4 жыл бұрын
God damn! I love these debates. I love hearing Smart people talk and wrestle with other opposing facts and come up with rebuttals....i should have become a lawyer
@johncassles7481
@johncassles7481 4 жыл бұрын
It would be nice if we had a complete program. Why are these programs chopped up or cut short.
@eldexxo
@eldexxo 6 жыл бұрын
So you're at a party explaining to plebs the benefits of socialized economies, when these two walk in the room! What do you do ?!
@padywac1970
@padywac1970 4 жыл бұрын
Run and hide!
@Lex-Rex
@Lex-Rex 10 жыл бұрын
You got to love scholars educating scholars. Well . . . Let me say that Milton educates the other scholars.
@fredpearson5204
@fredpearson5204 5 жыл бұрын
Piven is no scholar.
@candyhosch7158
@candyhosch7158 4 жыл бұрын
Neo Smith Read Thomas Sowell’s writings about intellectuals. So insightful!
@pigboykool
@pigboykool 4 жыл бұрын
OMG, I see the face of evil in this woman's eye she would rip Milton apart if she has the opportunity! lol
@rayking3489
@rayking3489 8 ай бұрын
Thomas Sowell is a genius, he called all of this ages ago 😂
@mixmastermeeks
@mixmastermeeks 12 жыл бұрын
6:20. That is where Friedman takes over. He listens intently until that point. Then he rips them up. But in a classy way. Friedman has what the liberals never had and never will...... class.
@louiscypher7090
@louiscypher7090 7 жыл бұрын
where's today's Milton Friedman?
@fredpearson5204
@fredpearson5204 5 жыл бұрын
Thomas Sowell.
@evaadams4243
@evaadams4243 5 жыл бұрын
There's Thomas Sowell.
@Axelthedetective
@Axelthedetective 4 жыл бұрын
Jordan Peterson
@candyhosch7158
@candyhosch7158 4 жыл бұрын
Louis Cypher And Walter Williams.
@Harris4465
@Harris4465 3 жыл бұрын
I do have to give that woman credit, engaging Thomas Sowell & Milton Friedman in a debate is a tall order to say the least.
@Appleblade
@Appleblade 3 жыл бұрын
Ms Piven talks about those who "control property" and "control capital" as if they're dirty words, and as if control of property and capital is just power, and not ownership. It's as if the only people she can imagine when she thinks of people with land and money are trust fund kids who inherited them. You know, Ms Priven, even property granted to settlers had to be worked to produce wealth (government creates no wealth when it grants land), and capital is not safe from loss without constant effort. Ownership results from effort, as Locke explained.
@Rensune
@Rensune 11 жыл бұрын
Also, Friedman's view proved Prophetic: The British National Health System (NHS) is now 57 billion pounds in the hole.
@freetochoosenetwork
@freetochoosenetwork 13 жыл бұрын
@1canondocre ""More worrying is Venezuela's apparent inability to get to grips with persistent inflation, which is now the highest in Latin America, reaching an annual rate of at least 27% in 2009. Last week, yet again, Mr Chavez merely fueled the inflationary spiral by raising the minimum wage to compensate workers for their loss of purchasing power.At the same time, he has attempted to impose price controls which have largely failed to work."
@physicsmusic
@physicsmusic 12 жыл бұрын
OMG I LOVE this stuff! Great genius arguments!
@KhalilMGebara
@KhalilMGebara 9 жыл бұрын
I dreamed it more than once: Sowell using his left hand to smack Piven upside the head.
@Gtjg88
@Gtjg88 12 жыл бұрын
Very Interesting. Where did you get this? I am serious I want to know so I can check it out.
@intervestcom8054
@intervestcom8054 9 жыл бұрын
Freeedom is the antidote to tyrany
@danielu.4957
@danielu.4957 4 жыл бұрын
That's why is in present times is the same as capitalism is the antidote to socialism
@candyhosch7158
@candyhosch7158 4 жыл бұрын
Inter Vest Com Socialists: “But I wanna be a slave again, let govmint take care of me.” Piven: “Yes! And I shall be your most wise and beneficent queen.” She even looks a bit like Cruella DeVille don’t you think? Obnoxious bitch!
@freetochoosenetwork
@freetochoosenetwork 13 жыл бұрын
@1canondocre Somebody's been reading too much Naomi Klein. Search: "The Klein Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Polemics"
@IskalkaQuest2010
@IskalkaQuest2010 11 жыл бұрын
Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell show themselves to be able to analyze the issues on a greater variety of levels of abstraction and concretization, taking into account the subtleties of human action and the variations of governing bodies and economics. If one cannot do that, one is limited in one's ability to analyze accurately.
@johncarey3374
@johncarey3374 4 жыл бұрын
Milts face at 1:53 lol. He looks real worried 😂
@freetochoosenetwork
@freetochoosenetwork 13 жыл бұрын
@FreeToChooseNetwork "...As a result, he has increasingly resorted to the ultimate economic sanction - confiscating the businesses of those who refuse to curb their prices." Brilliant economics. Admirable.
@Golgafrinchamdent
@Golgafrinchamdent 11 жыл бұрын
Would like very much to find the rest of this debate.
@jeffreycliff922
@jeffreycliff922 2 ай бұрын
where is this full debate from?
@radioroscoe
@radioroscoe 4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know where to get the full broadcasts of these shows?
@freetochoosenetwork
@freetochoosenetwork 4 жыл бұрын
This clip was cut from our Free To Choose 1980 series, which you can watch here: www.freetochoosenetwork.org/programs/free_to_choose/index_80.php
@daveBit15
@daveBit15 11 жыл бұрын
A great thinker, with a unique combination of honesty, intelligence and common sense.
@Drewtazy
@Drewtazy 4 жыл бұрын
Thomas Sowells brilliance is glowing.
@simonboland
@simonboland Жыл бұрын
Incredible to see Thomas Sowell @3:30 and similar Milton Friedman soon after raise the distinction between equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome way back then. This is the same stuff Jordan Peterson has hammered on about in various debates in recent times with numerous inept people who don't grasp the concept.
@beng4151
@beng4151 4 жыл бұрын
"A very small amount of intellectuals are stirring." That's how most of the idiotic "issues" today are brought up.
@andrewcruz8543
@andrewcruz8543 4 жыл бұрын
Well now we're debating absolute equality (face palm)
@MovieCompoundBoat
@MovieCompoundBoat 12 жыл бұрын
This man...is a goddamn genius.
@ThomasPurcell
@ThomasPurcell 11 жыл бұрын
A graduate with a degree in Bitter Woman Studies
@jeandidierly4536
@jeandidierly4536 3 жыл бұрын
lool
@danweaver4304
@danweaver4304 3 жыл бұрын
LOL! BWS degree, chuckled for two whole minutes. Still smiling - thank you!
@Thinklikemeornot
@Thinklikemeornot 4 жыл бұрын
Gentleman, have a conversation. This is how it's done.
@christopherd6399
@christopherd6399 4 жыл бұрын
Piven tells you what people mean while they're in the room. Lol
@soaringscott5635
@soaringscott5635 5 ай бұрын
I could listen to this man talk for hours at a time.
@docbrandy915
@docbrandy915 2 ай бұрын
I appreciate the differentiation between equality of opportunity and equity of results.
@rintintinification
@rintintinification 12 жыл бұрын
so awesome.
@semperparatus3685
@semperparatus3685 5 жыл бұрын
Where are you Milton? We need your integrity and intelligence today.
@candyhosch7158
@candyhosch7158 4 жыл бұрын
Tablet One He may be gone, but his books will live on.
@elharbingero
@elharbingero 13 жыл бұрын
Peter Jay did quite well for himself, making sure his point was responded to. Kudos to him. No kudos to Piven for trying to play the 'gotcha' card with Chile.
@freetochoosenetwork
@freetochoosenetwork 13 жыл бұрын
@1canondocre "We" didn't ridicule anyone who proposed an alternative, because none has been proposed here. Chile is the only S. American member of the OECD. I doubt that's because they adopted economic policies of Hugo Chavez. If you want to critically examine Friedman's economics, why don't you consider the countries that have largely adopted them: Estonia, Hong Kong, Singapore, New Zealand, yes, Chile. Milton Friedman also advised the China. Does that make him a authoritarian?
@mimiklaranathalie
@mimiklaranathalie 10 жыл бұрын
That completely depends on your definition of freedom. I can't see why people agree with this argument when it's impossible to define..?
@dkswede
@dkswede 13 жыл бұрын
@ImForwardlook Indeed!
@MCulpa
@MCulpa 12 жыл бұрын
Any way I could see the whole debate?
@adamas1971
@adamas1971 12 жыл бұрын
Alright, I saw the discussion you were in with polo4ever. Please allow me to back up a moment. You say "That when the top rate is cut taxes are raised elsewhere and are usually hidden." What policies does he advocate that helped turn the US (I assume you're talking about the US) into the biggest debtor nation? He was for a balanced budget amendment, and many people (myself included) believe that our problem is one of spending, in gross terms and as a % of GDP.
@thebullybuffalo
@thebullybuffalo 3 жыл бұрын
Geez people were so much more well spoken and polite back then
@DeadAbeVigoda
@DeadAbeVigoda 3 жыл бұрын
And they could speak without a constant barrage of F words.
@expdh1
@expdh1 13 жыл бұрын
Notice how the conservative economists refrain from allowing emotions to overrun their arguments; this fact still exists in modern politics. Shouting with frustration makes your point no clearer, instead it tarnishes it. Conclusion=The calm and collected debater is probably always the most well versed in the subject of discussion.
@bradjbourgeois73
@bradjbourgeois73 12 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@TheLoyalOfficer
@TheLoyalOfficer 12 жыл бұрын
@juscurious Bravo! Well said. These people do far more damage than one might think.
@MikHoward7
@MikHoward7 11 жыл бұрын
Absolutly!
@Camia-nb2zy
@Camia-nb2zy 4 жыл бұрын
Just listen to their voices. When Friedman and Sowell talk it’s at a normal speaking level. When Piven speaks she is either shrieking or about to yell. The other guy Peter something seems to speak in a raised voice but he could just be a loud talker.
@warlord8954
@warlord8954 6 жыл бұрын
I advise you all examine the Cloward Piven strategy. Meaning Francis Fox Piven in the video.
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