Thought that'd be the first comment I'd see, and boy was I right

Maybe magical beings don't need food?

The awkward dolphin lol yeah because that’s how that works

They probably have a cat flap

Diglett Animates they’re referring to the ice palace. She has no food.

I don't see the problem, Elsa could have just eaten snow cones for the rest of her life!

OOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHH

When did they share a sandwich

7:34

Woah

I laughed my vocal cords out and died

They interpret "Fear will be your enemy," as referring to OTHER PEOPLE'S fear, when Grand Pabbie ACTUALLY meant ELSA'S OWN fear, yet somehow never occurs to them that he could have just as easily meant Elsa's own fear.

Sweet child, I love you with all my heart and I don't want you to be afraid of your magic but you almost killed your sister so wear these gloves, never do magic again but try to control it and none of us are ever seeing the outside world again unless I need to convinently die to make you queen.

Kenzie Taylor It's a textbook example of bad writing. A certain thing needs to happen for the story to work, so that thing is shoehorned in from nowhere.

Maybe the trolls actually din't know what they were doing but because people and more the other trolls aspectead the old troll to know what to do it just improvised and gave the most safer solution in his oppinion.

Alexandru Andercou Umm...that doesn't make much sense to me.

@Charlotte Stringer "Are you saying that I'm crazy?!"

Glad it’s not Minecraft, the phantoms would’ve killed half the characters

Are they? I feel like the plot takes 48 hours at most.

Ikr

Best Craze ikr

ICEolation

@@josephmachado6081 exactly the cure for ice magic....Ice-olation... Some may say it's cold but everyone was cool with it.

alsnow, alsnow, actually, actually

Too many people miss that and blame the trolls but,yes. I agree

The trolls to Elsa: "FEAR WILL BE YOUR ENEMY" Dad: LET ME MAKE HER EVEN MORE AFRAID.

Talon you are very observant

Talon That is a great observation.

Marie Mann you sound cool.

isvi rodriguez Thanks

That's the point.....

Important Elaborate?

Carmen Austins no

Gigi L They just do that because pride gets the better of them and they think the hero can't stop them. There actually is something out there that pokes fun at that: the T.U.F.F. Puppy episode Doom and Gloom. In it, Larry gets fed up with Verminious Snaptrap's constant abuse of him and the fact Snaptrap always tells T.U.F.F. his evil plans, so he quits working for him and forms his own alliance. And he actually proves to be a capable villain, mostly because he never tells the good guys his plans. Pretty good episode, if you ask me.

You know who didn't do that? Ultron. Best villain ever.

maybe Elsa is so cold that it keeps her dress from melting?

I mean it might be how cold it is. Olaf didn't melt because of the cold cloud thing

THAT ALWAYS BOTHERED ME SO MUCH! What was with the high heels? What happened to her sleeves? Where did the fabric go? Why is she walking so weird after changing clothes? (It always weirds me out how her hips just thrust from side to side when she walks with little to no hip movement for the rest of the movie.)

Because... It's not ice, it's glass cloth

Ok, so people are explaining how her dress stays at the end... BUT SERIOUSLY WHERE DID THE CORONATION OUTFIT GO??

THAT bit of irony I’m pretty sure was intentional. And although I DO NOT consider OUAT credible at all (it’s a soap. Just...no), the King even having that text/saying “born” vs “cursed” suggests that Elsa’s powers were probably to some degree genetic

That was the point.

V!!!!

Water Pearl From a writing vantage point it was purposeful, But in the mindset of the Troll who said it, It made no sense from his character's point of view

Yeah I think those trolls are the actual "bad guys" in the movie because they wiped Anna's memory and scared Elsa for the rest of her life

“Hey, can you pass the salt” **sweats intensely**

That’s what I was going say 😂

lmao :D

His mind can be persuaded.

Tori Wood Because of the clear ice? Lol

Angela Davidson I literally wish I could like your comment fifty times

I thinking the same thing

Jessyka Person : Combined with Anna was born with fire powers to complement her sister's ice powers, which the trolls got rid of while they were still latent. That's why Grandpabbie really wanted to remove all of the magic from Anna.

Actually would make a little sense.

Jessyka Person Yes! They need to talk about this!

Jessyka Person yeah,I agree on that actually makes sense

Jessyka Person if you watch the carlin brothers video about hans being a mirror, it will explain why your theory is wrong

Fair point.

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If they do that as a reveal in Frozen 2 it would be legitimately awesome though.

applesnappleXD this is an awesome theory!!

Film Theory!!! You got this from Film Theory!!!

Isn't this from Film Theory? 🤔

Kenda Hamilton Well yes and no. Matpat did do a film theory on this but he wasn't the first one to come up with it. Some person on Tumblr did. I just said I believe this theory. I never claimed this as my own lol 😂

ikr lol

I always thought that the act of true love had to be performed BY Anna, and not FOR Anna

sister vs sister that spelling of kristoff burnt my eyes

@@johnhogue9402 that is the way that i view it as well. she has to thaw her own heart by performing the act of true love, not by someone else doing it for her.

@Memyselfandkai :/ Yes, but it wasn't Elsa's love that cured her, it was Anna's love *for* Elsa.

Guina films right?? Honestly, what bugged me was "who knew we had 8000 salad plates"...you were a lonely person. You should have explored that ENTIRE castle. You should have known that, Anna! What were you doing?? Just talking to those pics??

Exactly. She'd have had nannies and caregivers to look after her and care for her since a King and Queen are EXTREMELY busy. Even with reduced staff there'd be people to speak to. And a huge castle and grounds to explore.

They specifically mention that they they are reducing the staff to keep Elsa's powers secret. This also implies they're keeping the staff that are least chatty. Of course this is bound to be noticed and people are going to wonder if there's some sort of fnancial crisis or what's gooing on, leading to uncertainty and possible instablity. So he's a bad king as well a a bad father.

He's actually not too bad. He was doing what the trolls told him to do. I mean the trolls are the only ones who know anything about Elsa's powers, so it makes sense for him to trust them. If even if it means all those changes.

@Guina films The trolls never said to isolate someone they just said needed to avoid fear. The idea to keep her hidden until she learns to control her power was his and it had nothing to do with reducing fear. It had to do with keeping it secret. What's the first thing we hear him say "This is getting out of hand.". Not "are you and your sister OK?" or even "What's wrong?". He is the fear. He is her enemy.

That's what I was gonna say!!!!! :D

No puns

@@junkuribo5150 you mean SNOW puns

@@dakshayini8207 yes

It didn't happen of screen, she created him during "Let It Go"

Yeah, it happened on let it go scene. Also Creating golems are commong spell in many fantasy settings. Like in Heroes of might and magic, there is 4 element of magic, Fire, Earth, Air and Water. Each element has summon Fire/Water/Air/Earth elemental. D&D has too etc. So Olaf and Marshmallow are basically a golems.

But do we actually SEE him come to life? I only remember Elsa building him together and then going along singing and building her castle, and then in the next scene Anna and Kristof meet him in the woods and he's suddenly alive? Marshmallow does remind of a golem in considering he obeys Elsa's bidding, but Olaf she didn't even realize that she created until he returns with Anna.

I think it was matpat (maybe?) who make a theory on how Elsa and rapunzel are related, which explains her life powers (it sounds a bit off landish but it’s interesting)

Yeah I've seen that theory around the web as well, but since it's not canon, the movie itself still leaves it a big plot hole...

Mølly F ye

He had a kid named Luke in November if 2017

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1:39 Well someone’s been busy hint hint *nudge* *nudge* 😉

Supply and Demand. The more of something there is, the less valuable it becomes. Unless they're the only ice suppliers in the entire world, in whoch case they'd have complete power over the ice industry and we all know what happens when monopolies exist.

Babs likes cartoons Wait, what happens when monopolies exist?

A warm welcome story book, Elsa actually starts trading ice with Eldora.

Alexis Lyle watch the film theorists video about black panther

Joshua Ong I don't want to because it'll be spoilers for the movie and I haven't seen it yet...

I'd ask why we couldn't have that, but I know the answer: the song Let It Go. It's one of the reasons I don't like that song.

@@artbytesia actually, Let it go was already there in the earlier versions of the story. From what I’ve heard, they taught that having a main character (Elsa) become a vilain wouldn’t set a good example for kids. But they knew that Let it go was had potential, so they had to change the story while keeping Let it go.

@@unemilifleur Where did you hear that?

@@artbytesia I don’t remember, I’m sorry. I just watched a lot of making of and cut songs videos when Frozen came out

@@unemilifleur Oh, OK.

could be, or did the queen have a side love that then inherited his powers to Elsa but Anna was born from the king so she doesn't have powers?

Maybe the Queen had a sibling who also had powers? I mean, I was watching once upon a time and their mum had two sisters. The one with ice powers accidentally killed one of the other sisters with her ice powers and I cant exactly remember the rest but its possible.

she's muggleborn

There is a theory that Elza and Rapunzel are sisters, the King of Arendell adopted her...etc

They explained this in Frozen 2, go watch it!

*heir

The only reason they did it was for the sake of a cheap joke.

WinterSnow 99 Olaf is the rough draft. 🤣

Olaf isn’t alive. He’s animate. Very different thing.

WinterSnow 99, there is literally nothing about this movie that makes sense. But, Hans is just the worst most inconsistent conceptualization of a character I've ever had the facepalm inducing incredulity to witness. Hans is like a game where you fold a piece of paper and each child draws a different part of a body - except with personality, motivation and modus operandi.

Skeptic Psychologist Sven. Sven makes sense.

It was sarcastic. Olaf makes no sense.

Trolls: Remove Elsa's memories. Elsa: So, I have to just let it go?

Tom N loooool just let it go elsa

If Olaf were to never exist in Frozen, this wouldn't be a movie worth my time.

AngieGaur wow, that sadly makes sense

Never thought about that one. That is depressing! I knew her parents were crappy but that takes the cake right there!

Yet another reason to hate her parents

AngieGaur no, I searched up and those cuffs are normal...not made specifically for elsa.

oh really? That's cool, I've never even heard of those before. Where is it normal for them to be used?

And we wouldn't have a movie

Nicola Jones yeah you can say that about most movies you look at it at the very beginning go we'll stay at just done this like a normal person would have oh yeah the rest of the movie wouldn't have happened most movies are based on the fact of them not acting like a normal person would have making a dumb decision at the beginning that causes the rest of the movie that actually take place

Don't know what I expected - they are trolls after all.

I think the trolls have their own agenda...look up Nordic folklore, they kidnap humans and manipulate them to do their bidding. Plus, they were the cause of the trouble in the original story....

@@gigissketches2603 And some of us would be just fine with that. Especially with better recent Disney movies out there like Bolt, Big Hero 6, Wreck-It Ralph, Zootopia, Raya and the Last Dragon, and Encanto.

Ally C My question is, how did he know she was even locked in a room to begin with?

one answer: his olaf senses

@@irlcupcake He's not Pinkie Pie, he can't make that kind of stuff work.

Tesia Blake maybe he’s not pinkie pie but that doesn’t mean he can’t have his own olaf senses

@@irlcupcake It does to me if it's not made explicitly clear.

Me neither.

nanners333 don’t let him fool you, he actually really likes Frozen 😂 why else do you think they’ve made so many theories about it?

Violet Wynters I respect that kind of opinion. I just don't understand it.

Tesia Blake ? I’m talking about the creators of this channel, and how they obviously like Frozen since they’ve made theories on it. It’s more of a fact than an opinion. But I appreciate you being civil if it were an opinion!

Violet Wynters Thanks!

Wolfram Stahl ROFL! Brilliant!

MCOC BusPeople, LMFAO

Nice comment

Nice

Yeah somehow being good at criticism is a sin to cinemasins

True

I'm gonna make a comment that's pretty bad and entirely opinion so don't take too much offense to it. But... Olaf ruined the movie. His character is stupidly uncharming and adds so much unnecessary gags and just plain awful screen time. For example, my least favorite part of the movie, when Anna and Kristoff fall down the cliff, Olaf feels the need to add the comment that he doesn't have bones. While this is just supposed to relieve tension and make you love the characters goofy quirks, it really just makes the situation awkward and feels forced more than anything. Just when I was starting to care for this movie it throws an unnecessary one liner in a stressful situation that shouldn't have evoked any emotion but concern. Along with this point comes the idea that many movies have this type of comic relief, so it can't be that bad right? Wrong. Comic relief is for when you just got the end of a situation that is usually the climax, these lazily written lines in frozen don't even have anything to do with what we should be worrying about. Comic relief can also be used well with a character who is specifically sensing tension and tries to help the other characters lighten up, not the audience. This sort of interaction can be helpful for the relationship development and to add some break between action that would otherwise be filled with silence. Ex. Character A: Whew, I can't believe we were able to save the mayor without destroying anything this time. Comic relief: yeah, the building didn't break at all *building falls* Comic relief: Well crap. That's coming out of our paycheck. Anyways sorry for my ramblings I get passionate about writing and character usage.

Fancy Jammie K Ahoyhoy There, fellow KZfaqrino! He's cute, but did you ever stop to wonder what happened to all the How to Train Your Dragon fans? They loved Frozen instead just because Disney was slapped on the cover. Frozen made no sense there was no plot, if kids have small attention spans, then movies like The Brave Little Toaster or How to Train Your Dragon, or Spirit stallion of the Cimmaron can be followed way easier. But no, we have to demand new movies being made instead of enjoying the classics and giving poor writers a break. If we all just watched our favourite older movies once every couple years, it will stay fresh for years to come. Join kids on it , too. Have them appreciate older cartoons and kid friendly talkies that will be something even more magical to them, movies that deal with real life stuff like The Land Before Time, or Bambi, Semi scary films that are nostalgic like Brave Little Toaster, or Oliver and Company, even King of the hill, or the Simpson's, in most cases, are perfect family oriented programs. The early Simpsons and later King of the Hill episodes I'd recommend to today's youth.

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i hate olaf xD

Fancy Jammie K no f him and f the big snow man

AlashiaTuol 10/10 theory. It’s the only one that makes sense imo

Here's the full article I read that suggested it. It's from a comedy website, which is why it's constantly sarcastic, but the theory's fairly solid, though it starts out with its weaker points first. www.cracked.com/blog/you-really-have-no-idea-who-villain-frozen-is/

I made a huge reply debunking that theory from film theory and my reply there fits here as well.Everything below this was my comment on that same theory: I completely disagree with this theory and I even disagree with the idea with the idea that his twist didn`t make sense. I think it was pretty well executed and maybe even that Hans is one of the best Disney villains to date. Please hear me out. Hans wanted to marry Anna, to get a good reputation in Arendelle and after that he wants to kill off Elsa. Until he realises Annas heart is frozen and she will die this can all easily take a few months to execute optimally. In the ice castle only the two men from Weselton want to kill her and the worst risk he can take is letting Elsa already die in front of his eyes. There is actually a good chance that a heartbroken Anna would blame Hans if he did nothing and all the other people of Arendelle that were there would be able to tell it to Anna. He also didn`t know that Elsa didn`t intend to come back at all. only after Anna explains the situation when she`d back in the castle he understands he needs to hurry with his plan, because if Anna dies before their wedding he has a problem like you say in the video. However, he has litterally no way of saving Anna at that moment. A kiss from him would mean absolutely nothing, because from his side it is not a true loves kiss. Because of this he cannot keep his true intentions a secret from Anna. So Anna would not marry him and in a very short time the whole castle would know. This means that Anna must die immediately so that she cannot tell anyone his true intentions and the only way to do that was like he did in the movie. He also cannot kill Anna quicker, because he would not be able to explain a stab wound or something like that so does the only logical thing at that moment. Only now it is important to kill Elsa quickly because otherwise she could chose someone else or even get a king herself at some point. Without Anna there is no reason that Hans would be the next ruler if Elsa is furst ruler for some time. So again he does the only logical thing, but killing Elsa of so soon wasn`t the plan earlier. About the blood argument I have to say that we don`t see any signs of blood relatives to Anna and Elsa based on the fact that they surely would be on the coronation and we don`t see anyone. Secondly, then why wouldn`t they have ruled earlier when Elsa was still to young to rule? We don`t have any sign of there being a living relative and even if they had someone far away it is not even proved that the kingdom of Arendelle even works that way. To go to the trolls I find a curse from them even more unlikely, because their goal is to let Anna and kristoff marry. So from their side if they were evil they should let Hans commit suiside or let him forget everything and leave. However, they would certainly not let Hans kill Anna, because that would let their plans fail completely. Think about it! Why would they try to kill of Anna? I think these explanations should complete solve the "plot holes" around Hanses character and twist. I honestly think that his clever plan and the fact that he tries to be a good king for the people of Arendelle (The fact that he is a villain doesn`t mean he cannot do anything nice or even let him be a good king) make him a very good character. I would like to hear other opinions about this so please leave a reply if you like ;)

I actually like that theory. There's too much that doesn't line up with Hans' character before the big reveal. When you see him just meet Ana he seems so genuine. The shot of him after he falls in the water. There is nobody around to see him act except his own horse. At that time he really seems to like her. Him being the bad guy never sat well with me. I think they just did that so Ana could leave him for Christoph without looking like a slut in the eyes of some more conservative viewers.

Troll magic Hans is head-canon.

Right?? I was in that play 2 years ago and that's excactlt what I thought of

Andiyah Lehmon Because water has memory. Elsas snow has the memory of the original Olaf.

Brandon Fitch wow you are right

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It's magic

One of my teachers is about 70 years old, and he actually does pushups every day, as well as other activities. It is possible to stay fit in your later years, but you do have to stay in shape while you're younger to do it.

Elsa doesn't make the ice skates she just adds ice blades to the bottom of Anna's shoes

@@Victor_Graves i made that post a while ago, and honestly I think I phrased my thoughts poorly. (I get that you're just making a joke, but i figured I'd comment anyway.) While it is easier to stay in shape if you've been doing it your whole life, it's not impossible to get back into good habits even at an older age. I doubt that exercise totally reverses the effects of old age, but it's better than nothing

@@siomhagormley Well, it's not funny, it's just awkward and forced.

I thought Hans was a villain because they wanted to break the love triangle without having Anna decide (like "she's nice, she doesn't make a guy suffer, that was the guy who was a villain"). But I like that change, and if it wasn't there, the love story would have been too much like Enchanted (I already think they recycle that plot).

I always thought they could keep Hans as only wanting to get in a relationship with Anna for the throne, but not actually wanting to kill her. Then, in the scene where she needs the kiss, he could become distraught because he knows he doesn't really love her and that the kiss won't work... but he also doesn't want her to die. So Hans leaves to try and find Elsa, heart heavy with guilt, in the hopes that she'll be able to do something. Anna follows because she's still worried about him, even after the 'betrayal' that he doesn't love her, and she's worried about her sister. Surrounded by the snowstorm, Elsa can't hear what Hans says, save that her sister is dying. In her grief at that, she lashes out at everything around her. Anna steps in to save Hans, because she now knows the trauma Elsa went through after she accidentally attacked her in their childhood and doesn't want her sister to experience the same pain again.

Think about this: What if the trolls were actually the villains. Hans didn't appear as a villain until after the trolls whispered in their song "her quote engagement is a flex arrangement". That would also explain why the elder troll told them the lie in the beginning about concealing the magic. The elder troll also said himself that the head can be persuaded. Who's to say that the trolls wouldn't go so far as to confuse Hans and change his whole thought process just so their Christoff can marry Anna.

Ashey Ash suddenly the line "get the fiancé out of the way and the whole thing will be fixed" takes a different meaning

They did change the script because Elsa was originally the villain

You speak the truth, firend

Also, kissing after a day together is different from getting engaged after a few hours.

Milla Saunders Exactly.

Also, I don't think the kiss took place on the same day as the rest of the movie. I think it's at least a few days later, maybe even a week

diabolicWatcher [DW] I think so, too. Usually the Super Carlin Brothers are really good about being accurate. I can't believe how many flaws are in J's observation. He must really hate Frozen for some reason.

ikr

yes. but Anna would be queen and we already know he easly can manipulate her. He prob would be able to do the same as just a prince when married to the queen.

Is that wrong?

@@KamenRiderOtaru Is what wrong?

@@SM-hl6hh took three years to get engaged. Is that wrong?

Frozen 2 spoilers AHEAD!!! You mean like factually? No, they did take three years to get engaged. If you're asking like ethically or for my opinion, also no, I think that's a good span of time and if that's what was right for them then especially. :)

@@KamenRiderOtaru @6:25 - 6:53 is why I was making this comment about Anna and Kristoff.

I thought they were a little bit flashy :D

I didn’t see the socks

omg! XD

I don't get the emojis

BeasEasel that is exactly what I was thinking the whole time!

BeasEasel but he was gonna kill her before she could fix it anyway so that goes back to making no sense

Also who wants to get into a fight with the world's most powerful ice wizard ON A MOUNTAIN, IN A BLIZZARD? She can freeze a fjord solid, what do you think she can do to a party of about a dozen men if they frighten her?

@@newperve but he also had his chanse when the dude was about to hit her with an arrow.

@@cecilialh Yeah and if he'd missed?

Second Chance that's exactly what I thought

I came down here literally to type just that

Second Chance exactly

Second Chance me too 😂

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Likely because when olaf is first made (when they were children) Elsa makes him say "I'm Olaf, I like warm hugs". This memory would have been there when Elsa accidentally made him again, making him love warmth (especially warm hugs). Because summer is the height of warmth, it makes sence that he would have loved it.

@@brianacrabtree6560 Great observation

To pad out the soundtrack

The broadway show expands more on this topic

How does he even know what it is?

Anytime ^_^

ninificationfact they still love the movie. They just like to give different perspectives on things occasionally. It's all fun.

yep

Oh I know they do. Believe me

Or when a girl like me is more into movies aimed more at boys than a film aimed more at her demographic.

That's an idiot theory

Jerome Alday the super carlin brothers day the same thing in a different video and they made some good points in my opinion

THANK YOU. sOMebody listens to the movie quotes and doesn't just pluck out the parts they need.

Did you watch the video?

I mean, people asking me how I reacted to the reveal happened before SuperCarlinBrothers made a video disproving Elsa's part in it ;) Anna saving herself is a bigger plot twist than Hans by far.

I didn't get to have the big reveal. My cousin told me before I ever saw the movie so I didn't get any surprise. Lol.

It was obvious, from the moment he said "I have 12 brothers" I knew it was him.

I think that I part made me suspicious, at least. Then they had the lovely couple song, where it sounded a little off--and then I realized he was basically always a syllable or so behind Anna whenever they sang in harmony, which basically told me "okay, this guy is definitely not the Prince Charming this naive girl thinks he is." Even if you didn't recognize those two details as suspicious, though, I'd argue that the most obvious detail in the film is the fact that the only other person perfectly fine with this "love at first sight" business is Hans himself. Anna I could get - she's ditzy, oblivious, and pretty darn naive to the world since she's never really gotten to leave the castle all that much. Someone with Hans' alleged past though? If he wasn't being manipulative as hell, he wouldn't have gone for it. Perhaps if they left it at that you could say "love at first sight? Fairytale and story book logic!" But every single person who heard about the engagement was horrified. If that doesn't give you a "hey, this guy is no good" vibe, then I don't know what would.

Agreed.

TJ Thomas That's interesting. I never thought superficially of deafness as being a parallel. I always felt like I identified a bit with Elsa, because I was diagnosed with several chronic illnesses and chronic pain when I was 12. There were a lot of weeks, solid weeks, I'd have to spend in my room in the dark, listening to audiobooks on the third lowest setting, because light and sound made my migraines so much worse. I couldn't go to school physically anymore. I still get nervous in public because there were so many times I'd start to hurt badly and have to keep my mask on while I made my excuses and left the room, while inside it was like I was on fire. My parents were awesome about it (my mom has these illnesses and my dad's a doctor, so they understand them) but it hurt them so much to see me hurting, made them feel guilty and like they should do more to 'fix' me, so when I started to leave when I was hurting more, so they didn't have to see it. And, of course my old friends were upset I wasn't at school anymore, and just faded away. My brother, though, never really understood why I was so uncomfortable being around people when I was hurting. He always wanted to protect me. He ended up sleeping outside my door sometimes, when I was sick, knowing I needed to be alone, but also knowing he had to make sure I was okay. So this.... this movie had some interesting parallels with my own life that made me pretty fond of it. Of course, in real life, your weakness cant become your superpower overnight, and in real life it's not so easy to brush years of isolation and stasis aside. But, it's hopeful, I guess, for anyone who's ever been on that side of the closed door.

Chronically Curious Thank you for telling me about your experience. I won’t say I know what that’s like. But I understand it can be hard to talk about. (I have Tramatic Brain Injury experience that I won’t bring up often.) As for the deafness parallels, it is not exact one-to-one reference but the parents reaction to their Deaf child is exactly what it’s shown in the movie. Often the deaf child are left feeling isolated with little or no language.

Purple Rose Elsa: *Wheres my super glove*

HIS NAME IS J NOT JAY NOOB

No don’t go home this comment is amazing!

I thought the same thing XD

Purple_Rose, he is a TROLL, after all. :)

right, like everything about this movie doesn't make sense. Where were they?! You can't just be in complete isolation and still be handed the crown after an empty throne for 2 years.

Even a monarch needs to appease his court. The court allows the king (or queen) to hold power, and works for the king to maintain that power.

Monarchs need to build their powerbases, plenty of monarchs were killed by popular revolt. If the guards were more scared of her sorcery than they were loyal to the concept of the monarchy, they would have attacked.

Lol right?

Yeah, 5 years long :)

Yep, I thought they were gonna ignore it forever.

Morgiemoo 222 yup

Yup!

Cuthulu Cups Yeah, even if he had tried to blame Elsa's death on the duke's men, it would have made him look like a weak leader. He's trying to become king of an entire nation he's not even entitled to, so he's got to have a very, very strong presence. Being unable to talk two men down killing one woman? Even if that woman has ice powers? It doesn't look good in his favor. The fact of the matter is not only would he have failed to bring her back to Erendelle, but she was killed on his watch. If he was even remotely intelligent, he could have just kept going with Anna and married her. As of the Frozen film by itself (and none of the theories, confirmed or not, of them having relatives), she is next in line to become Queen if Elsa was to die. Even if Elsa doesn't die, he's still married to the next in line for the throne. Not only would first marrying Anna gain him the trust of the kingdom, it would put him in a better position to kill Elsa. Have a little patience, gain some respect, and no one would ever in a million years assume the "respected" Prince Hans had murdered his wife's older sister. Hell, even with the magic ice powers, he still could have worked out the original plan just as well. It would have been even more advantageous, tbh. He gains the trust of the people by helping them through the impromptu winter, and if he tried to help Anna bring Elsa back in, he'd also gain Anna's total trust (not that he didn't already have it). If they managed to talk Elsa down and calm her, he'd also have Elsa's trust. He's possibly even have Elsa's permission to marry Anna, since he'd proven his trustworthiness to Elsa by helping her in a tough time and looking after her kingdom. So, he'd get married to Anna, and a tragic accident would happen to Elsa. Which was what he'd originally intended, only he has proof of integrity via being so helpful during a crisis situation. Basically, if he'd just bided his time and was half as clever as the movie tried to paint him out to be, he could have benefitted even more than he'd originally intended.

@ Luna Sidera So you're totally right about Hans being an idiot, but here's the thing about Anna, she was going to die anyway. The original plan _was_ to marry her, kill her and the Queen off quietly, and ascend to the throne with every bit of legitimacy one could expect for a monarchy. It would have worked too, under normal circumstances, but then Anna suddenly needed "True Love's Kiss" to break a magical curse and save her life. Now, Hans can whisper sweet nothings to her all night long and have Anna convinced that he loves her, but magic, magic knows when the heart isn't being true. This is law in their universe and anyone _in_ that universe with two brain cells to rub together could realize that magic can't be deceived without a set of very specialized skills, if it's even possible at all. Hans knew he didn't have the ability to deceive actual magic, and he couldn't make himself love her. His cover was blown the moment she came back to the castle. From his perspective, even if he wanted to save her, she's dead and he's going to have to settle for less than full legitimacy. The problem he couldn't overcome was only staying long enough to gloat and not ensuring her death because for Hans to ascend to the throne, Anna needed to die in that room. He'd already been granted the power to rule in her absence. At that point it's simple enough to let her die from the "curse" (tragic), and slay the evil Queen who cursed her (Heroism!). Unfortunately for Hans, he was too much of an arrogant fool to make sure Anna was actually dead, so he ended up with a wooden chamber pot instead of a crown. Thus, we can conclusively prove that Hans was in possession of _at_ _least_ two brain cells, but evidently not many more than that.

@Luna Sidera Will people please stop assuming that Hans planned to do any of the things he said he planned to do. There is literally no reason to believe this and good reason not to. For a start he claimed to have known that nobody was getting close to Elsa despite neither meeting her or talking to anyone who met her before attempting to seduce Anna. Secondly the plan makes no sense. You don't get to be King because you were married to the late Queen, and if you tried whoever was third in line would at least arrest you.

@Cuthulu Cups Will people please stop assuming that Hans planned to do any of the things he said he planned to do. There is literally no reason to believe this and good reason not to. For a start he claimed to have known that nobody was getting close to Elsa despite neither meeting her or talking to anyone who met her before attempting to seduce Anna. Secondly the plan makes no sense. You don't get to be King because you were married to the late Queen, and if you tried whoever was third in line would at least arrest you.

@Michael Price And yet, for a brief moment, the plan worked. I'm not saying it isn't ridiculous, take it up with the movie if that's your beef! I'm just saying it actually worked out pretty decently for him right up until the point where Hans was too stupid to follow through. And whoever was third in line really dropped the ball because Hans was already granted ruling powers. Whoops.

CoolDragonMage 101 Disney tends to handwave that, as do most other books/movies about magic

She is a mutant. Easy as that.

I read a theory that says Elsa is actually rapunzels sister and that's where she gets the powers from, rapunzel got the spring warm magical powers and Elsa got the winter cold magical powers from the flower her mom drank (which explains the hair colour since rapunzel also originally had colour that differed from her parents hair colour) and then after their first child was stolen, the king and queen sent their second child-Elsa to the queens brother- the king of arendelle to protect her and that's why the king and queen of arendelle don't particularly care for Elsa as much as anna

Rownie zhao AMAZING Theory!! and maybe it fits really well into the story and why Repunzel was there to visit her sister's coronation

Josiah Varenkamp funny.... but how?