Better take a plea deal

I'd say plea deals are off the table now. They would only do that if he was willing to squeal on his wife.

He just learned what not to do...

🤣 …that’s what I was thinking!!!

Her husband is screwed. It would be unfair to give him less than 60 years. It's over for that guy.

100% correct!!

This sounds like sacrimonious 20/20 hindsight. It is grossly unjust.

@@notpub LOL the whole crux of the case was foreseeability and neglecting known risks. Only the very confused or those who don't know much about the case could imagine it was about hindsight rationalisation

@@notpubshe was repeatedly shown evidence that her son wanted to use his guns against people. She ignored it. People died. It’s so cut and dry, you’d have to be brain dead or brainwashed to believe otherwise. Furthermore, parents are entirely responsible for ensuring their child is raised properly. Their gross negligence lead to the death of four children.

It is about time parent's are held to some account for their destructive work products! He could have used numerous dangerous tools!

I agree! So stubborn and rude!

Can someone tell me exactly where she said that? Trust me, I don’t disbelieve it, but I have been watching this case from the beginning and have listened to all her testimony, and I never spotted that.

​@@PhoenixDad14 Not followed the case but the news report I watched said she was asked that during cross examination in court.

@@PhoenixDad14 Video is called 'I wish he would have killed us instead' - Jennifer Crumbly, mom of Oxford shooter' Timestamps: 1:23 happened and um I've asked myself if I 1:26 would have done anything differently and 1:28 I wouldn't have

Ignorant. Possibly the result of her own poor parenting models. She has no real capacity to understand mental illness. Perhaps she even doesn't buy into psychology as a valid science.

Maybe it was the Gun purchase... Just saying. If it's just simply bad parenting and teenage mental struggles, then Look out Parents Everywhere!!!

💯% Don't procreate and be negligent

Creating dangerous kids by ignoring them & neglect! He was left alone from age 6 with his main companion violent video games! What the heck did they think would be the results?

Her segs rendezvous, the horses and drinking were more important to her than her son.

Yes they made an example out of her. Parents, don't let your children have access to guns, unless supervised.

That would have been the nail in the coffin comment for me if I were on that jury. Zero remorse.

Julie, wouldn't. Big difference.

That was a very ignorant response. Four students died, and she's satisfied?

Now she had plenty of time to think of what she could have done differently

Glad they didn't buy him a puppy he was torching small birds ..

I bet they were hoping he’d use the gun on himself. Horrible people. Glad they are being held accountable.

I think they were hoping that Ethan would kill himself Then they would be done with hassling of him, but still get a lot of sympathy from their community. You would be surprised how many parents Intentionally actually set up their own children to die

Well said 🤔

They gave the boy whatever he wanted, to shut him up so that they could continue living their lives. Both spouses were cheating on each other. He told his mom he was seeing demons flying in the house. She said he was just "messing around". She said they bought their 15 year old a gun "to use at the gun range".

She was playing the “ Colombo” card!! Remember the TV series Colombo???

yup. this will be appealed on those grounds I bet.

The judge was super biased too. The jury knew better.

Even her closing arguments! Why bring up there were TikToks made about her and memes- they had nothing to do with Crumbley - The jurors couldn’t watch those things

@@ang_roI know ineffectiveness of council.

I guess the jails will be full of parents while the thugs go free because not their fault, our upside down country

Hope you never have to be in her shoes obviously, with that comment, if you have sons, they're perfect 🙄

Lesson: Don't have children. Ever.

👍🏿

Unless, of course, your are in a state that forces you to. This will set a delightful precedence in the South.

As well as the nation!

@@notpub….Lesson: don’t buy your minor kids a gun. Lesson: if you have kids, be responsible for them. Lesson: stay in tune to your kid when he’s screaming for help. Lesson: Lock your guns up so others can’t get a hold of them.

I believe they couldn't bring that video into evidence, so the prosecutor couldn't question her on that.

they took it real easy on her. mountain of evidence.

I didn’t know they had done that the night before. They locked him out because they were scared, but acted like there were no mental issues!!! Man, WOW!

You nailed it, I honestly worry about all of the other children who could be in this situation.

I never heard that part, what did he tell them, and why did they lock him out...? .thx

Suck it up, they said

Disagree. The only one accountable is Ethan. She's a lousy parent, but that is not congruent with culpability. Sanctimonious hindsight.

Accountability is not the same as responsibility. Ethan was responsible, jury decided its time to hold the parents accountable@@notpub

@@notpubnope. She walked out of that meeting after 12 minutes knowing he could have the very gun he drew with “blood everywhere”. “HELP ME” her child said and she did nothing, not even secure the gun.

​@@notpubif my dog killed someone because I had it running loose i would be held accountable same if you buy your unhinged kid a firearm the jury got it right and your an idiot.

I’m glad poor parents are finally being held accountable and people aren’t acting like adults have the right to treat children in which way they want to just because they had them

This

She didn't buy the gun

​@@jenn1388 So how did he get it then ? It was said it was bought as an early Christmas present.

​@@jenn1388She bought the ammo! Don't buy her blame shifting & deflection! Thank GOD the jury saw through her! She "wouldn't have changed a thing"! Showed no real care or concern from the get go for her son or his dead child victim's!

In my family, we got our first .22 rifle at age 12, the age we could legally hunt in our state. We NEVER got to touch it without Dad with us, ever. We didn't dare. Our parents would never have done that, even taken us hunting, if we had mental issues. But they were real parents not "helicopter parents."

I was floored when she said that directly to the jury. She should have never been put in the stand. She showed no remorse, so the verdict is spot on!

That would be saying “I’m guilty” if she said anything different.

@@user-yf3ws9sf5c So?! This weapon/pistol they bought him, was a semiautomatic 9M! Capable of discharging many rounds quickly!!! This was my point❗️ Why did he need this type of arsenal?!

@@gagecarlsen3872 Absolutely not 😳

@@user-yf3ws9sf5c It’s up to the Judge on the years, if any! She has the authority to sentence her to time served and give her probable, if she wants to❗️

It was not illegal for them to buy the child a gun. I don't agree with that, but that's the law.

⁠​⁠@@barbh1 She never wrote it is illegal. Jennifer and her husband bought a firearm for Ethan and never locked it up, knowing (and ignoring) the son was vulnerable and mentally ill. That he hallucinates, believes the house is haunted, etc.

@@barbh1It should be illegal to buy a minor a gun. He didn’t need a gun and used it for mass destruction

​@@barbh1It is illegal for a minor to have this type of gun.

​@@KohalaLoverNo way he was keeping dead baby bird heads in jars in & they didn't know he was torturing baby birds!

They didn’t know he had a gun they didn’t know all the incidents of him asking for help - she could have monitored his search history etc right decision

I believe the school was never told he'd had a gun bought for him.

I suspect the school is very concerned at this point as they are being sued in federal court. I suspect James may now want to make a deal. Hope they don’t let him.

If I was school staff, I would have just called the police. He was clearly a danger to himself and others with his behavior. Parents wouldn’t remove him from school and the school allowed them to leave him there, negligible on both sides

You claim that the only "onion" (you spelled opinion wrong) that matters is the jurors yet the very NEXT sentence you offer your own opinion by saying they got it right. Please stay consistent thank you.

@@Bigbubba3031I mean she can have an opinion. But The only ones that mattered was the jury’s… so that’s right

No they got it completely wrong. Mob justice.

OJ agrees! 👍🏾

Yeah, the defense attorney was a joke.

WELL SAID!

Problem is she is not a Mom. Just a narcissist.

That was really ignorant, some of the jurors are gun owners really half the United States or more are gun owners, and we all have a brain in our head with common sense shame on you

Who knows. Some people go along to get along.

MAYBE are responsible parents MAYBE NOT but is sending a message that no matter what lives can get ruined. Lessons, lessons, lessons to learn for the USA citizens

Yep historic to have common sense, good parenting, safety awareness, intelligence and knowing your child to see mental, emotional problems.

When their son voiced his plans, the mother told him” just don’t get caught! Where’s the mentality of that? The parents are worthless human beings. So sad.

True, another sick thing in our sick country, parents beware they are coming after you

@@kathylarson8876 as we should be!

@user-ph4pc4mg7z thugs with jail free card because not their fault, parents fault, while parents put in jail, people sleeping in tents and shitting on the street while illigals free hotel rooms and credit cards, billions over to Ukraine to fight a lost war to the last dead Ukrainian and pockets full of money, sending weapons and money to Israel to commit genocide, a country where working people can't afford to eat and house without two full time jobs, as it should be, this is our great country with such holier than thou people

​@@kathylarson8876is very paranoid of exposing herself

@bdubs532 look around you and see the nasty our country has become with holier than thou naive people like you, millions sent to a hopeless war that is killing Ukrainians to the last dead, arms sent to Israel to kill thousands of children, our citizens sleeping and shitting in the street while money cards and hotels for the million coming over our border, thugs getting a out of jail free card, while you all holier than thou people want to put a mother in jail for 15 years for what her son did, you'll caused our countries downfall with your ignorance

Shouldn't public schools teach about relationships, parenting, family, mental illness signs, responsibility, get help if parents won't etc instead of some of the worthless stuff they teach?

@InteriorDesignStudent, you're so right! I was skeptical myself that the charges would result in a trial for the parents, but I think there was just sooooo much evidence that came to light during their investigation. I believe justice was served as well.

That was my thought as well 😢

Holy smokes ! It hadn't occurred to me before you said it . I think you could be on to something .

Terrible parents either way. Enabling instead of listening and helping.

I hate to say it, but I thought the same thing

Yup

You read all that in a news article summary from 1-2 years ago, yeah? Or a regurgitated opinion piece from someone who watched 4 minutes of the trial?

Who buys a 15 year old a gun ? 🇨🇦

Yep..

Exactly perfectly said! They clearly have mental issues themselves smh They deff need to held accountable!!

@@KathyMpamugoexactly I have a 15yr and 18yr old that ish never would cross my mind! This boys parents are clearly sick in the head as well!

So if a minor kills someone in an accident we should jail their parents for giving them the car? A kid I went to high school with killed his sister with his dad's gun. What's the difference between that and this? His dad was a Troy cop. She's a shitty parent but doesn't belong in prison.

A gun is quite different than a car. He put the gun literally to the head of at least one other person, and he was sure he or she would be dead very shortly. How many people in this world could do that?

Yes and he begged them to take his mental illness seriously.

AMEN…

@@waynemalford3020 Your example comes no where near to the circumstances of this case.

It was probably more a case of having to go to work & not wanting to put up with his bs antics which at first seemed like his usual behaviour - until it wasn't & she refused to believe in mental health issues - to her detriment. Buying the gun is a mute point - they had their own guns in that house which he could have used

That would be a MOOT point

@@jenn1388 😂😂😂

Tell me you didn't watch the trial without telling me you didn't watch the trial. Had these parents been best friends with this kid, it would've changed everything.

“Best friend “?? Try BASIC RESPONSIBILITY

if they were his friend he probably wouldn't have done what he did instead they were his bullies and enablers! Did you hear the part where he told them he was struggling and they laughed at him, and then bought him a freaking gun for his birthday!

It was absolutely mind blowing that she thought she could get on the stand and say those texts were his way of playing around….then also say that there were no signs of mental health issues. Talk about a bad parent…wow

It was the most foolish thing to say

@@DeeAnderson-oj2hr agree! She could have said something like - obviously I didn't think his troubles would result in this horrific situation, but knowing what I know now and what has come to light about things I wasn't aware of, of course I would do things differently.

Exactly! Even the most caring of parents would struggle with guilt. And she claims she's okay with her role!

and don’t be so lazy that you choose a combination of 000 for the gun safe…

The same should be if you own a car, chain saw, machete, kitchen knives, etc! It is about having the relationship with their child first! He was clearly secondary & Mom was more interested in finding other men to hook up with & riding her horses drunk! Parent's who parent by leaving their children home alone from a young age playing violent video games, target practice, etc. Then to give that child hard liquor & prescription drugs when he cries for help! That's the issue, not the tool they armed him with!

😅

Big step for common sense laws? Gun laws violating the second amendment arent needed, jumped on by democrats because one dumb, incompetent woman and husband didn't parent well and didn't notice the sons mental issues.

The law has always been the same whether is a 15 year-old school shooter or a 3 year-old finding his parents unsecured weapon and killing themselves and their siblings. Parents are always held criminally responsible for what their minor children do with their unsecured gun.

Exactly. 👌 Couldn't agree more.

She bought the gun for the son! It wasn’t a case of locking up the gun!! It was his own gun.

Make sure u se Cure your kitchen knives car keys etc you stupid person u are now agreeing to crimalise parents.

You are 💯% right. He was only 15. They had been negligent toward him for years. Hopefully this will wake parents up.

She didn't buy the gun @@newnana9070

This isn't about the tool he used, it's about the results of gross parental neglect then arming him with a potentially dangerous tool! Have had them in our home for more than 60 yrs & they never jumped up & hurt anyone! Dang handy when self defense is needed though! Just had a neighborhood shoot out, because 3 armed thugs were breaking into homes & got stopped by a wise home owner! 1 shot & arrested at hospital, 2 on the loose! We have an invasion at our border, we better understand why we have our Constitutional Rights & do all to keep them! Or no one is safe! But parents have a responsibility to their children, including emotional needs! They created it, ignored all red flags, then armed it with a dangerous tool! It's not the tools fault!

@@cristineconnell7803…this comment was perfect! 100% true!

​@@cristineconnell7803Amen.. well said. ❤

@@cristineconnell7803there is no “invasion” at the border

Agreed. None of this is happening by accident people. But I agree they were totally negligent. If parents know their child is disturbed and still don't take his concerns seriously, then provide him with tools he shouldn't have, it should be common sense that's a very bad idea. Especially when the school called her in and she didn't see a huge red flag. However, this is not just cut a dried, why this is happening. It makes me furious when 2A parents do such things because they will use it as a justification to take away more of our rights and freedoms. Let's say they didn't get him the tool. I believe he would've tried to get one some other way. There is a disturbing lack of boundaries and discipline, plus not being involved enough in your children's lives. BuIIying isn't taken seriously enough, I pulled one of my own kids out of school because of it. Some thing is very, very wrong and we have to look at what's behind the bigger picture.. We were raised many years ago with the same tools. We never in any world would have touched them without permission, and were taught how to properly and safely handle them. We didn't have these horrible incidents happening back then. Never. Not once. So we have to ask ourselves why this is happening and whose policies are causing such a lack of control over people's own children.

The issue of her affair was relevant to her state of mind, showing she was not focused on the actions of her child. What is irrelevant is the fact that Ethan was her only child.

The Counsellor didn't know he had a gun - they bought him the gun and kept that info from tbe school. She told him to not get caught looking at bullets etc (previous incident). The parents are responsible for raising their kids. The school is there to educate. It's this dereliction of duty as parents that enables bad and dangerous behavior

The affair was relevant…. It showed where she cared more about that man in the Costco parking lot - instead of texting or returning her sons concerning texts about hallucinations… parents need to parent .. he was a minor and needed help .. not a gun

That happens an average of five times per week

100% agree. For me it all comes down to seeing that drawing and doing nothing. That alone made a tragedy foreseeable. Whether he used a gun to kill others or took a handful of pills to commit suicide that paper made tragedy completely foreseeable.

She knew exactly the kind of kid he was. I keep going back to the texts where he was telling her he was hearing voices. The kid clearly had issues and she chose to not only do nothing to address it, but give him a gun as a Christmas present. I applaud the jury for correctly convicting this unapologetic stupidity.

I really am starting to think she wanted him to use it on himself. Terrible person

@@jancurtis8821 That thought has crossed my mind too.

This woman/ Mom bought the gun for a “gift” for her under age son with mental issues that he told her about! She ignored what he said to her and his Dad. The night before the shooting, he had hallucinations and they locked him outside for their safety!! She knew he was struggling.

The fact that they didn't go thru his back pack after finding that letter/drawing, is what I'll never understand.

In many states you can’t even see your child’s medical records at age 14 unless they consent

When my sister decided to try and commit suicide, to me that meant that she didn’t care about privacy anymore, so I read it. She survived but I had a much better understanding of was happening, what she was up to, etc… it turned out to be really important.

Well, they won’t be procreating anymore. Some genes do not need to be replicated.

It depends on whether the Judge decides to sentence concurrent or consecutively. We'll see soon.

I thought so also 15 years on each of 4 counts

She will likely sentence her to 15 years each, to run concurrently.

I think parents should take this as a huge warning and all possible negligent parents should be put on notice…

What precedent would that be? White people being held accountable for their crimes? I think we can agree that’s a GOOD thing. Don’t misrepresent what happened here. Their son was convicted of murder, because THAT’s the crime he committed. The parents committed crimes of their own that put the weapon in his hands. He literally could not have committed his crime without his parents committing THEIR crimes.

Jury already found Jennifer guilty. You think the jury wasn’t aware of that?

@ObamAmerican What is precedent-setting about holding people accountable for their crimes? I guess it’s unusual for a white woman to actually be held accountable, but other than that, CRIMES were committed by these parents. They were not charged with their son’s crimes. They were charged with THEIR crimes that facilitated their son’s crimes. Nothing new or revolutionary here.

The fact that she did not secure the gun from her child alone is criminal.