Absolutely. It would protect it from bad-faith attacks while also making sure the educational attainment goes to people where it will make the most impact. Breaking generational poverty is extremely important.

I disagree. Affirmative Action should be abolished completely because it is discriminating against Asian Americans. According to NYT, Asian Americans have to score 140 points higher than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics and 450 points higher than blacks in order to have the same chance of entering into Ivy Leagues. Diversity should not be prioritized over performance and merit. If Asians are generally performing better than other racial groups and more of them get into top schools as a result, then so be it. Don't sacrifice the potential of these top-performing students just so you can virtue signal about how you are inclusive towards people of all races

Totally agree. We can’t generalize by race like the model minority myth does, which says all Asians are from privileged backgrounds who can achieve a certain level in academics.

Prepare to be attacked for that sensible opinion.

Hmm… interesting idea. First time I’ve read an alternative solution to the affirmative action idea so that it can still help those who need it instead of totally dismantling it. I’m not going to watch this full video but I hope the Fung Bros point out that statistically speaking Affirmative Action has helped white women the most. So, there’s definitely a need to reform AA so that it has more impact on traditionally disadvantaged groups. PS. I’m Chinese American who attended one of the lowest ranking high schools in my district. I was salutatorian of my class and got into UC Berkeley. The valedictorian from the year prior was also Chinese American but was rejected from UC Berkeley. However, without knowing what my schoolmate’s college application looked like, it’s hard to say why he was rejected and I was accepted. It’s not just about scores and grades. A white woman told me in middle school that at schools like UC Berkeley, I would not be considered a minority so I needed to be well rounded and stand out in other ways. I’m nobody special and I have an average white collar job, so in the grand scheme of things, it’s not where you go to college but what you make of it.

Shh, can't address the large, rich, elephant in the room.

@@RicochetForce large rich and usually white

They already are addressing it now

Because it was easier to attack affirmative action and he most likely had no idea it was even a thing

Cowardice mate

Great point. The bamboo ceiling, like the model minority myth is a huge issue. We need more people standing up for the Asian community because historically, the absence of that voice is what contributed to these harmful stereotypes and disadvantages.

@@wamyy5 Whos is going to stand up for the Asian community in these jobs to help defeat the bamboo ceiling in these workplaces? The European descended folks who have a vested interest in ensuring their own are elevated above all others? The Black and Hispanic people that never managed to get the education needed to get that job in the first place due to Asian arguing against efforts to help the disadvantaged? Who?

There are many Asian American CEO's like Hock Tan, Jensen Huang to name a few running Fortune 500 companies. Lets not increase hate in this world please.

@@yashpatel261 There's 13/500.... You also named 2 CEOs that founded their companies, not risen thru the ranks. All the Ivy league Asians on the east coast that stay in the east coast metro markets, 10-20 yrs. into their careers...yikes

​@@yashpatel261you're Indian and will never be accepted by whites. I've seen some Indians have that delusion just because they married a lower status white woman, and they buy into how people act to be socially acceptable.

I agree. You would have a stronger point IF affirmative action actually helped SEA and PI much in the same way it had helped other non-Asian minorities. But it doesn’t, that’s the problem too. I’m all for AA if it actually helps to serve those people, but it doesn’t most of the time. People talk about Blacks and Hispanics all the time, but everyone rarely talks about Native Americans/First Nations/Indigenous people who arguably are even more invisible (those are the people I have no problem where AA can step in to assist). But people have to prove without a doubt all the ways in which they are not privileged. But that is a slippery slope as it devolves into the oppression olympics. At some point you can only make so much excuses before it becomes played out too and a meme. Also, aside from the obvious and basic White people, where do Jewish people factor in all of this? Do they suffer the same boxed in opportunities? Do they play all sides? Do they get to decide who is admitted, including their own? What challenges do they face, or privileges do they benefit from in all of this?

@@user-ot2nh8qb7d It's interesting that you mentioned jewish people bc they are the reason Legacy admission is a thing. In the 1920's Elite universities used legacy admissions to maintain spots for Anglo-Protestants amid fears that Jews, Catholics, and Asians were increasingly taking spots at the schools.

VIETNAMESE HAS NOTHING TO THIS . WE ARE CULTURALLY EAST ASIAN AND NO DIFFERENT THAN CHINESE OR KOREANS IN TERMS OF CULTURE

Why are legacy admissions, students admitted because they are from under-represented states like West Virginia, students of university benefactors, and the MANY students who are admitted with lower scores, for reasons other than ethnicity: those types of admissions are never the focus or attacked. Why is it that when a talented student is rejected from an educational program, some people immediately and exclusively focus their ire on (mainly, black) students who many presume must not be qualified to matriculate in that program?

@@sweetssweet1374 First off, all your questions are answered in my video - I dive into why people care so much more about fighting affirmative action than legacy. Secondly, I also don’t think legacy is fair. I cannot say the exact percentage, but like Andrew, I think we can’t really blame colleges for letting in a kid whose parents contributed a ton to the school. Finally, I think what triggers a lot of people when others question affirmative action is the idea that those in opposition think a black/brown kid took someone else’s spot and therefore they’re against those kids. This is a polarized view that can only create more conflict rather than trying to work toward a solution, because the questioning of affirmative action is just concerning whether it’s right to disadvantage someone based on the color of their skin. It goes against MLK’s quote. Thanks for replying to my comment and keeping the valuable discussion going!

Girl do you even realize that the reason legacy admission is even a thing is because they wanted to limit je wish and asian students at Elite schools?? "we can’t really blame colleges for letting in a kid whose parents contributed " Well the thing is.. ya'll can! There are plenty of schools in the US that don't provide preferential treatment to legacy kids such as the UC schools (which btw also don't have affirmative action). MIT and Caltech also don't consider legacy status. So it is VERY possible for ya'll to also fight with us to eradicate legacy admissions as it is not a necessity yet ya'll still wanna bring us brown and black people down. If ya'll wanna take down something that is actually founded on a basis of disc rimination then why not target legacy admissions?? Hmmm.

@@wamyy5 If we can't blame colleges for letting in a kid because her or his parents matriculated at the school, how can we turn around and blame colleges for letting in a kid whose diverse background is seen as enriching or beneficial to the school in some way? Either both are wrong, or neither is. Frankly, schools use lots of factors to determine which students will be offered a slot. It is racist to focus almost exclusively on affirmative action when applicants are angry at not having received a slot. Yet have almost no focus on the tuba player from West Virginia who had lower test scores and GPA, and was offered a slot due to talent and geographic diversity. The target is primarily black students, which is suspect. There's a highly rated comment here stating just that: the person's belief (that elite universities don't share) that black and brown students do not have what it takes to compete on merit. Is it really mysterious that elite institutions prefer to use their own years of admissions experience and empirical data to maintain their academies, rather than simplistic and incorrect views about using test scores to exclusively define their student bodies? It makes perfect sense to me, and is why these institutions continue to be regarded as some of the best in the world. Thank you for the debate as well.

Race does play a huge factor, but not in the way you think. They just don’t want a bunch of Asians there. And I wish the Asian community had the courage to talk about why. I believe black students only make up 5% of a school like Harvard. However, Legacy brats are more than a quarter. So to just blame it on the affirmative action is kind of ridiculous. You can scapegoat affirmative action all you want but those white legacy kids aren’t going anywhere. Not all of these Legacy brats are rich folks. Some of them are just everyday lawyers who parents went there. I know I’m going to ruffle some feathers for saying this, but a lot of this is about money. Contributing alumni are very big part of the endowment of these large institutions. This is also about programs, Asian students have a tendency to pack themselves in S.T.E.M. fields but White , Latino and Black students are kind of spread out over professions. If you just fill the school with Asians, you’re barely gonna have any students in other fields. You’re gonna have 5000 students in S.T.E.M. and what 50 students in education 50 students in Poli Sci and 50 students in the arts. The whole world knows that most Asian parents pressure their kids to go into the S.T.E.M. fields. However, White, Latino and Black parents are more likely to support their kids going into the arts. These Ivy League schools, pride themselves on having a footprint across society. They want that footprint to be large, in every profession on the planet. They get millions of dollars from Hollywood actors to support their arts program, and they need to spend that money and fill those slots in the art department with students. So go ahead get rid of affirmative action, you’re only gonna see a change in a couple of percentage points. Asian students are gonna have to deal with this lack of diversity in their choice of a major and these legacy kids. I’m sure my words may irritate a few people, but I feel that this is a very complex situation that’s deals with a lot of things that may make the Asian community uncomfortable. Last, but not least, my college professor went to Harvard, and if I repeated what she told me, you guys might dox men and have somebody show up to my house and murder me. To put it plain and simple they’re trying to put a cap on the number of Asians at these schools .

30% legacy admission that crazy !!!

Oh yeah, clearly all he did was “study”. It’s not like studying is all that important in attempting to get admitted to schools where you study even more. If studying and education isn’t what this is all about, then don’t call it “higher education”. Call it what it is then, a snobby country club.

Also check your own bias. You don’t even know Jon Wang, how do you presume to say he’s not a good speaker (based on that 10 sec sound bite?), or that he has no personality? How would Harvard admissions know that? You know a very damming piece of evidence in the Supreme Court case was in fact Harvard AO’s assigning low personality scores to Asian students they haven’t even interviewed yet, just straight off the bat from seeing their last names.

@@edmundlee4087 Out of all things I said, you laser focused on a hypothetical point I made? You are correct to say Higher education is higher education for a reason, but if one wants to go to one of the most elite schools in the country, one needs to show that they are capable of more than being book smart, unless you're a legacy kid. There are many people in the world who are book smart. In my opinion, Ivy league schools are likened to country clubs. Why do so many people want to go to Ivy league schools? It's not only because these schools have amazing professors, but also because it increases one's chances of leveling up financially and socially. You get the opportunity to rub elbows with people who can potentially help advance your life, similar to a country club. If higher education is all one cares about, there are amazing schools with amazing curriculum and highly accomplished professors that aren't Ivy league. What's wrong with attending those?

@@edmundlee4087Just studying isn’t enough when everyone has good grades.

Correct. There was an admissions officer a while back that laid out the fact that even limiting it to perfect and near perfect GPA and test exam scores there are 10x more applicants than there are slots at all elite schools COMBINED. So they have to use other things to gauge who to let in.

Exactly, his personality seems vanilla and bland. He didn’t stand out. Neeext!

@@RicochetForcethat would be an acceptable excuse except for the fact that many black applicants get in with far less.

We've never been in a meritocracy. Knock this off. Even legacy BS was created in the 1920s when Jewish and Asian students were doing better than native White Americans.

The lack of fertility rate will probably be the downfall of those “meritocracy” nations before the USA actually fails due to some arbitrary meritocracy standard you think is fundamentally important to a nation’s success.

"meritocracy" is as real as the Easter bunny

@@Based_Proletariat If you had a brain tumor, would you want the surgeon to have been advanced due to merit or quotas?

@@henrytep8884 The USA is already failing due to its lack of ability to compete, not because of its lack of fertility, but rather, due to its paucity of STEM graduates.

Let’s be honest, you scoring that well is a good proxy that you’ll be successful regardless if you got the education or pursued something else.

I think the admission committee would have liked your background as a raggaeton rapper/singer. That makes you more interesting than someone who just demonstrates academics. This should have been in your application if you did not include it.

@@henrytep8884 Yes, it's true. I think more asians need to look outside the traditonal system, as business owners and entrepreneurs.

@@ktan8 agreed I did rap in high school and didn’t include it. I didn’t take it seriously until now. More Asians need to do arts and include that - totally agree

Ivy leagues are soooo passé

Nah, they making fun of him for blaming Affirmative Action (AA) when he completely neglected the College Scandal with Nepo-babies or Legacies. Sure, we can say AA is unfair but white women are also labeled "minorities" and use it more. He is trying to get brownie points from the white-made system that doesn't want him there. And Harvard doesn't use AA, BTW.

Completely agree. These hosts r too influenced by wokeness.

A lot of the schools he applied to are UC schools which don't even have affirmative action so maybe he is just boring idk!

If that s the only kind of jokes he can come up with, he should be very concerned with his choice of a job lol

​@@adrianchan5799"wokeness" 🤓

Also, comedian was valid

Agree--he does come across as "less than pleasant". A little humility might be in order here..

probably. at least now affirmative action has been banned by supreme court. you are about to see a lot more azians in colleges.

@@Ben-lh7jg They threaten spots for YT people. Nearly half their admissions are from legacies, sports, donor relatives and children of staff for Harvard. So they arent going to touch their places.

what's your ivy league scores? Why are you making assumptions?

​​​​@@Oscar42ohis 1590 and 4.4 gpa ain't that impressive, and neither is quizbowl. I was also an academic decathlon champ similar to quizbowl, 4.8 weighted unlike his 4.4, and I scored 2390 out of 2400. And he does sound robotic, like me in the past before I experimented with hallucinogenic drugs like weed to lower my autism and grey matter. I wouldnt have accepted him or myself.

They are the same. The whole universities in US prefer anything other than Asians

College should be for intelligent people not idiots. Race should not matter.

No, it comes down to whether race should be a factor in admission. Meritocracy vs mild discrimination. Why do you think California banned affirmative action? Do you want your Doctors to be people who earned their degree on equal terms or should we pity people that aren't as gifted and pretend they are equally deserving.

@@Ben-lh7jg Re-read my post again. This entire thing is ultimately whether our society wants higher education to be a meritocracy or something more representative and useful to society as a whole.

@@RicochetForce No need to re-read, what you are comparing is meritocracy vs mild discrimination. Using race as a factor to accept people is not useful to society, its discrimination and therefore harmful. Again, why do you think California banned it?

@@RicochetForce Also, do you support affirmative action for men? Women are starting to make up larger shares of student populations so would you support universities accepting a lower test scoring man over a higher test scoring woman for the sake of utilitarianism? I guess thats fair, right? If women want to go to college they have to work a little bit harder for it than a man because diversity is more important than pure meritocracy.

How so when more Nigerian students are outpacing Asian students academically?

Okay so? For every one rich nigerian kid at an IVY there's like 15 bird brained white girls with rich families as well.

@@robinmoulette718 No they’re not. If anything it’s on par at best. You’re probably referencing a one time out-dated data/study and continue to run with it. Small sample sizes and adjusted down to small cohorts or per capita. Even then, that’s not always true. Also you’re so full of it, on another comment thread you mentioned that Asians are robotic and that they emphasize grades over personality because of their "parents" (meanwhile overlooking many factors and cultural nuances/contexts) based on some Asians testimonials. Now you're inferring that Asians don't perform well academically or being out performed lol. Which is it?

@@user-ot2nh8qb7d What do you mean outdated? It's literally apart of the admission census taken last year so either your just finding this out or you already are aware and you're trying to deny it but facts are facts and they don't lie. Nigerian students in recent years are surpassing asians. My father is a dean for a top university and even he talked about this 4 years ago.

@@robinmoulette718 Citations please? Year over year? I’m going to keep it short and simple for you. Ignore race for a moment. So there are Nigerians with perfect SAT scores, GPAs, and other academic stats across the board getting accepted based on those criteria but Asian with similar stats aren’t? Never mind privileged Nigerians from well to do families (even some with maids back home) compared to Asians with those stats that don’t have those privileges and are refugees? What does that say? What message is that sending? I’ve met plenty of Nigerian students and colleagues, they don’t inherently perform better or worse over-all compared to their Asian counterparts.

I will also add that a high percentage of Asian students go into the s.t.e.m. fields. They need to fill spots in all of their departments. They can’t have a student body or 50% of the students are in s.t.em. fields. We had auditions for our theater program it was hard to find an Asian student. White, Latino and black students tend to spread out across majors. Also, Legacy students were 25% of our students and some schools its higher than 30%. You can get rid of affirmative action, but that’s only gonna take it up a couple of points. They’re just trying to put a cap on Asian students. There are so many in s.t.e.m. and not enough in other fields. By the way, they’re still looking for that one Asian student in the theater program. 😂

Why did they do that ?

And they’re committing another form of racism in which the victims are unlikely to speak out, protest, or riot. Even worse the Fung Bros then try to make fun of the victims for being “uncool”. Hey Bros, other minority groups aren’t giving you any props or think you’re cool, so drop your act.

Nah. Two of those schools dont even have affirmative action. Asian people are massively over represented at all the schools he applied for. He just wasnt as competitive with other Asian applicants.

What makes u think this guy didn't have other areas covered? Is that some casual racism?

​@@richardchu3916 Why are you pulling the race card when even other asians admit that their parents don't care about their personality but rather their grades? Thus making them robots😂

@@richardchu3916 well for one, he applied to a lot of UC schools which don't even have Affirmative Action. They banned it in the 90's. So yeah maybe John Wang or whaveter is just boring! idk!

@@robinmoulette718 So some "other asians" represents all Asians now? Do all black and latino gangbangers represents all black and latino people?

You're a waste of space then. Give it to people who are more qualified that your dumbass.

If he comes from a less privileged and competitive secondary school (which I doubt since he mentioned golf as a hobby) resulting in a higher GPA. Then all the more reason for AA to work in his favour as it does for his Black and Hispanic counterparts from similar high schools. But it doesn’t.

A 4.6 GPA may indicate inflation from certain schools; however, the SAT is supposed to be the standard. There is no inflation there. A 1490 SAT score placed him in the 99th percentile of SAT takers. I'm still wondering how he got rejected to UC Berkeley.

Exactly. And the team with the diversity hire should start the same with 20 points.... If they truly believe in the way they've structured AA

He should try the IV’s in England, Oxbridge, University College,Imperial etc

@@Willow-cw9te exactly. Universities abroad, like in the UK, decide strictly on academic achievement and not by the subjective, squishy stuff that admissions boards want here.

@@birdtj82 great story. You're right -- life is not fair. As the Fung Bros. suggested, some of these kids' parents do them a huge disservice by making them think just academic achievement alone will prepare them for eventual success. Doing everything that you're "supposed to do," does NOT guarantee things will go as you want. Unfortunately, it's not sexy to tell people that a large part of success is family resources and sheer luck. In any case, I also had a college roommate who paid for school by playing online poker (before it was banned).

Why are u latinas so obsessed with Asian men? What's wrong with white or your own ?

Do you have any idea how hard my Black peoples fought March and writing letters to the Senate Congress and President of America 🇺🇸 to give Black peoples a chance of a education and Affirmative Action was for peoples of color-Mexican Asians Native Americans and other peoples of color. It just shows me how racist peoples are in America 🇺🇸. I will be so happy when President Donald Trump takes back the White House because he is in Black peoples favor. President Trump 2024🙏✝️🛐🇺🇸🛐✅🛡️

"Not good enough" by your standards. The Harvard president disagrees, and was arguing for his school to continue to be able to consider race among many different factors when choosing their student bodies. He'd have said the same if someone sued to make it illegal for schools to consider student essays and extra-curricular activities in admissions decisions. However, it's doubtful that rejected applicants would file suit on that basis, because they're primarily just focused on race and indignant than an "inferior" student was admitted in place of them.

Black and Latino students are "not good enough to get in on their own merits" because their neighborhoods are consistently overly policed, while simultaneously being fod deserts with dogshit schools. These kids are in situations where their parents are living paycheck to paycheck, often living with grandparents and unable to attend/afford the test prep, extracurricular activities of wealthy whites and East Asian. What's often papered over is that "Asian" is extremely broad. A lot of Chinese, Japanese, or Indian Asian parents being asked are well-educated and wealthy immigrants. Simultaneously the poorest Asian groups are looked over. And guess what? Their educational attainment is actually similar to their black and hispanic peers. Turns out being poor makes it really difficult to get a good enough education to enter Harvard.

​@sweetssweet1374 objectively they are not to standard as they have a higher fail rate. You just need to look at the numbers.

@@aaronmontgomery2055🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ you’re sick

Asians are not naturally smart though

They’re not going to blame white people because then they lose their proximity to whiteness and the ability to network to with the upper middle class.

What about legacy admissions?

@@neetea2 What about legacy admissions? Get rid of unfair practises of AA and legacy admissions too. People bringing up legacy admissions thinking they just did something there with that. My guess is they’re trying to deflect because they can no longer defend how AA is being abused. Additionally, just because you disagree with how AA is being implemented and used, doesn’t mean you’re down with legacy admissions. I don't know where people get that silly idea from.

Think about it what if most 9f the Asians applied had the same or better scores who do you choose? It has to be more than scores.

Browner than white

That might be it lol 😂

That’s what I thought. Don’t apply for Ivy Leagues if your CGPA is not 3.9-4.0 out of 4.0.

It's funny that you say blacks and hispanics and whites keep quiet when it benefits them, When historically asians have been very quiet about many of the things that have gone on in the U.S. You guys don't even vote in high numbers so please stop pretending you care about what's going on in colleges. If you care now it's because for the past 3 years there has been a spotlight on your community and you're feeling it. Isn't that what asian people tell their kids to do??? Keep your head down,stay quiet, and mind your business....So why is it a problem when others do the same when issues arise in your community???

ya'll realize the people who benefit most from affirmative action is WHITE women.

Well said.

You are operating on many falsehoods, one of which is that the United States was ever a meritocracy. It never was. It never will be. The country started as a racist ethnostate that did its damnedest to exterminate anyone that wasn't Anglosaxon. What we are now is an oligarchy pretending to be a democratic representative republic.

You're just justifying racial prejudice.

Haha, the same people that dislike affirmative action fucking despise increasing funding and support for schools in poor neighborhoods.

He sounds so Anti-white, He should rethink about his decision of being a Comedian😂😂😂

Yea dude lame AF get him off the show

He’s a comedian 😂

Even if it was a joke there's underlining racism there. He's very American

@@Godzilladad why is he not funny at all?

You should date a man instead.

The United States is not a meritocracy. The United States education system is not a meritocracy. Your argument is flawed from its very foundation.

Because colleges want diversity so that means rejecting asians with higher test scores to allow more non-asians who score lower. In America this is not discrimination, its just affirmative action. USA is bizarre.

Discriminating against non Europeans worked for America since 1776

They dont. They represent 29.9% of the 2023 Harvard Class. Plus, two of the schools dont even have affirmative action policies. Its very very competitive at that level and everyone has good grades. They want more well rounded people.

To gauge your intelligence

it doesn't measure intelligence. It just measures how good u are at taking that test.

@@hyewonderfull "how good you are" what does that mean exactly? Does it not measure aptitude? Your ability to solve problems? Math? reading comprehension?

No idea, it's been found that standardized tests generally are not indicative of a student's success. Lots of folks are great test takers, but bad students.

@@RicochetForce I don’t know. All the smartest kids in my school got the highest SAT scores.