parabolic leafs are 2, or 4 leafs, concave..how can it be 4'' higher.???. & wheres the iveco daily.??

If only drive on car license 😩 😫 🙄 😕

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Thanks Rob. I only had two trucks to compare, and video length is a consideration. I also chose those two as that's the AAV camper options.

Hino with a deceitful testing history

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Nothing more in the pipeline, but there will be more at some point...

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Thanks! No idea re dyna.

thanks!

You're welcome

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I'd just email AAV. I'm sure they could export and would strongly recommend the Super Singles if you're doing anything other than a little bit of gravel roads. Don't know how you'd go with roadworthy compliance though.

Same, it was going tow, be small box trailer

I wouldn't say the Canter has a reputation for 'lunching gearboxes', we've had ours for many years and had zero driveline issues. It's more about picking the vehicle that is fittest for the buyer's purpose. For us the Canter's off road performance was a clear winner and our towing demands are very light.

@@contributor7219 The one described in the video lunched the gearbox twice. Getting a warranty replacement halfway along the Canning would be awkward.

@@einfelder8262 One vehicle having two fifth gear failures does not equate to a reputation for 'lunching gearboxes'. It could be down to the way that particular vehicle was driven, for instance. It would be like me suggesting the Landcruiser 79 has a reputation for lunching frame rails because I of know two owners who bent theirs, and am aware of others doing the same. I doubt it would be fun recovering a 79 from the Canning either, yet plenty of 79s do the Canning each year. If Canter gearboxes were such a problem, companies like AAV and ATW wouldn't still be using them as a platform for their builds. We are not alone in having covered huge distances in remote areas with our Canter, many others on travel forums have done the same with the same vehicle.

So to be clear both the Canter and the NPS are well-proven, reliable vehicles. If they weren't, then AAV wouldn't be working with them - they dropped the Iveco Daily for poor reliability, as an example. I've not seen anything that indicates potential owners be concerned about reliability and didn't mean to give that impression in the video. However, as EMAT says, abuse can break anything and even trucks as robust as these can be abused and break.

Email AAV or ATW and ask, I would expect it'd be the same for the 2WDs

You should see where people ARE ACTUALLY taking them. Sounds like RFS drivers need to learn to drive.

btw is this after being modify for offroad duty?

Just watched a channel who got bogged in the Isuzu and front diffs broke just trying to get out!!

RFS drivers have to undergo a 3 month training course to drive an RFS truck. These Isuzus are absolute rubbish, specially the new ones with auto transmission. The computer just cuts the power if the wheels start slipping and you can't turn it off. The new ones will be Scanias but the replacement budget has been slashed. @@kulaak-krii

The reason the RFS do such long training courses is all the red tape B.S too cover there asses has nothing to do with the isuzu trucks being rubbish 90% of the people who join need training cos they have NFI how too drive these trucks especially in deep sand and hills. I'd rather a hino GT 💪 any day over these toys its a stronger truck but maybe getting too big for some people. I wouldn't waste my time with an automatic transmission either.

Yes I do; stock 37s and twin cross-axle lockers

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yes

Price will vary so I left it out, but as of now, round about AUD$285k.

Yes, strange there's no cabover. Not even Unimog?

We do have Unimog. I found a like new 2017 Fuso Canter 4x4 diesel which is a unicon here.@@L2SFBC

If I can get one

Ram 3500 Mega Cab DRW (3000kg payload), F-350 DRW (2900kg payload)

Got say I've used both on fraser island for fire fighting purposes for the last ten years and find them great in the sand fully loaded just got set them up with correct tires pressures we do run super singles❤

The Unimog UGE is still better but significantly more expensive. Ha! 🙂

Also, the UGE is available in 5.1 L I-4 displacement in 3.6 m WB or in 7.7 L I-6 displacement in 3.9 m WB. They told me that the 4.1 m WB is available in Australia.

@@speedygonzales9993 wow 7.7 is a big engine just for a longer wheelbase

@imnotusingmyrealname4566 That 7.7 L engine also powers the UHE models which have bigger & heavier bodies.

Just work harder mate

I did cover man/auto. I didn't cover LHD, I don't know the answer to that question.

@@L2SFBC thanks

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Unlikely to happen for commercial vehicles, and yes your concerns are very valid. I should have noted that in the review specifically, but elsewhere I do note that you won't get either the active or passive safety from these trucks you would in say a Ranger.

No

An excellent point thank you. I will do something on this, not well known. I cannot really see why the trailer ATM needs to be derated, but rules are rules.

@@L2SFBCI have a feeling that it has to do with the less compliant suspension of the heavy vehicle causing the coupling to be subjected to greater shock loadings than would be the case with a vehicle with less stiff rear suspension. I gather that mainland states have observed this rule for quite a while now, while Tasmania for example lagged behind and only started to observe this rule in the last 6 or 7 years - yet another case of national laws that ain't so national.

hmm well the heavier vehicle would arguably move less relative to the trailer so I don't quite follow that logic either. I'm sure there's an excellent reason for this, always is eh!

Didn't know that!

I didn't know til I brought a fuso. It is written as a sub note in the warranty booklet but is not as I can find in any other spec on the web. @@L2SFBC

Yes and I reviewed it! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/arl-ZrOdprKyiI0.html

Can't have one without the other unless you want to pay a lot more or get an even bigger vehicle.

ha yes!!! I must admit I really fear running out of water when hiking. I carry a Lifestraw as they have proven to be really good, and also can boil water.

Maybe next time. The motorhome is only on Canter and Isuzu at the moment.

No, didn't have one to hand, and I chose those two as if you want the camper, those are your choices. Also, video length is a consideration. Then there's Daily, Unimog...others.

See other video about the GX camper, cab in there.

What price of shower loop to reuse water over and over..

Is that a question?

Yes.. :)...

Expenses system

Massively costly and I'm not sure worth it, the trucks work offroad pretty well...

@@L2SFBC I’m thinking there’s a market for it. The AAV global explorer is probably over A$300k so what’s another 50k ? Portals are a game changer and I’m thinking you’ll be able to run up to 44in tyres and here in NZ can drive on standard car licence up to 6000kg GVM 💪🥰♥️🙏🇳🇿

Sure, but where could you go with portals that you can't go without? Not many places, and then consider the weight, higher CoG, compromised reliability, etc. Not all positives. Personally I wouldn't bother. It'd be cool though.

They do have offroad capability. Why say otherwise?

​​@L2SFBC I think expectations exceed reality ! Says me, happy to tackle the wilderness of Iceland with a 27 year old Unimog 2150 and so far no regrets in selecting this over a shiny new lightweight truck as a recent replacement choice for a 26 year old U1250!

thorry about dat

Thorry about that, I tried speech therapy but it didn't really work and figured I'm better spending time and money on tech accuracy.

Yes. Apart from on reliability. Broken transfer cases, overheating brakes. The one show in the video - Tucks Truck - had the broken transfer case and issues with the AC. Why can’t Fiat make reliable cars or trucks…

Have you considered the total mass of one of these trucks, and its fuel consumption, vs a 4x4 car towing a caravan? The point with these trucks is that they are often replacement for caravans, or sometimes, bases for tradies working full-time on the road, or a family of 5-7 who needs the truck and a van. Do you think any of the above is a valid use case?

I’d rather people towing with these than the majority of cowboys towing way over the gvm/gcm. There should be mandatory weigh-ins once you’re towing say (for example) over 2.5t or something that has a mass greater than the tow vehicle.

My comment was largely tongue-in-cheek but I understand what you're saying. You're looking at it from a technical point of view and I look at it from the perspective of someone who has travelled the outback (and coast/mountains) for decades and have many changes that are not always good. I recently returned from 6 weeks in the red centre and only saw a few of these behemoths. More often than not they were towing a small car, which I assume would be used to tour around local towns, tourist spots etc. I'm simply not a fan of the American ethos of bigger, more, even bigger and even more. Leave these things in more populated areas and Big4 caravan parks as far as I'm concerned. Yulara is starting to look like a multi hectare commercial truck/caravan retail demo outlet and it's ugly!

I agree but that's a slightly different topic. We just seem to be going down the American road of everything getting bigger and bigger and it's just ugly in bush. Ugly on many levels. @@camdcam

Well they were about to transfer a six-digit sum into my account but then they saw the bit about "if you want to tow, get the Isuzu" and canned the deal. Oh well.

@@L2SFBC good to see that people with a sense of humour still exist. I wasn't having a crack at you in my comment, as always you presented the facts as told to you in an unbiased fashion. I was more aiming my comment at the off road outfitter that you interviewed as many of his comments would be unlikely to stand up to scrutiny. As I mentioned, I've run both and there is no comparison between the Canter and the Isuzu on any level - there are good reasons why the Isuzu costs more and these are shown once you start running the pair side by side.

Thanks Karl, always keen to hear experiences in the field so I can pull all the information together, appreciated.

"Having run both..." During which time period? For a few years Mitsubishi/Fuso removed the low range gearing from the Canter because they believed it wasn't necessary. Many of these ended up as fire trucks here. If you directly compared the two during this time frame the Canter was a very poor performer compared with the Isuzu. It was partly because of feedback from end-users like firefighters and the military that Fuso reintroduced low range gearing to the 4x4 Canter range. Both now come standard with low range gearing, and it would be in this form the comment was made about off road performance. I've also used and tested both extensively and in many cases the Canter's lower first gear ratio (when it has low range gearing) and additional chassis flex make it a better crawler in standard form. When we tested them the Canter 4x4 even had the special order option of 5.714 or 6.166 differential ratios, potentially giving the Canter a 67:31 low range first gear vs 54.54 for the Isuzu. Even in 'off the shelf' form the Canter has a 57.69 low range first. When it came time to buying one for private use we chose a short wheelbase Canter because the lighter weight, chassis flex and low range first gear make it more capable off road, especially since our vehicle has 'super singles' that aren't great for off road gearing.

Thank you, that's consistent with what Brett said. I also noted that the Isuzu's larger diff housing would mean less ground clearance, and slightly larger dimensions would also be a small factor. Fundamentally when it comes to offroad touring your need "X" amount of capability, and once you get beyond "X", then it's a law of diminishing returns. Everything I've seen indicates both vehicles exceed "X", and the differences between them are not such that one would complete an obstacle with ease where the other one struggles - as would be the case for example between two Canters, one with 37" SuperSingles and one without, or comparing a Forester with a Fortuner. So, I think for most buyers, the determining factor is not absolute offroad capability but cost, the ATM, the Isuzu towing etc. Anyway, my job is to present information, the reader/viewer can than decide what they need to do.

Not even when it comes to spelling?