Making Sense of Manuscripts

Making Sense of Manuscripts | James White

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Жыл бұрын

Just Thinking about the Bible
Washington DC Regional Conference 2022
In this session, James White-Director of Alpha and Omega Ministries-explains the history of biblical manuscripts.
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@apjoseph Жыл бұрын

I love how Dr White keeps what could easily have been seen as a 'dry and academic' subject (appropriately) humorous, informative, enriching and thoroughly God centred. Thank you to Dr White and G3 for this.

@KristiLEvans1 Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@randycadkins Жыл бұрын

It was fantastic!

@Chirhopher 11 ай бұрын

Amen, Joseph. Ahmein.

@adriansabo198 11 ай бұрын

Heretic! Bible's words not mine

@Matthew-307 3 ай бұрын

Yeah I love Dr White’s talks on the Bible, he’s the person who brought me out of KJV-onlyism. I prefer the NKJV because it has the other manuscript traditions alternate readings on the footnotes. It’s like having a Majority text Bible, Critical text Bible, and TR all in one. It’s the best lol.

@donde2k Жыл бұрын

52:40 the video does an unexpected, unannounced loop back to around 15 minutes earlier, just so you know. The course of the lecture picks back up at 1:05:08. Would love to see the entire, unadulterated lecture.

@sosassteelstrings9623 10 ай бұрын

I thought I was crazy. Thank you for this confirmation 😂

@danjbundrick 10 ай бұрын

Thanks. I came here to make this comment, but didn't see where it picked back up. I appreciate you doing the work for me

@Peaea 10 ай бұрын

Thanks

@danielritchie4400 5 ай бұрын

I will not believe in an entire, unadulterated lecture, unless it has come straight to us, with no history.

@MetalHeart88 5 ай бұрын

Thanks

@Dan123TheStarman Жыл бұрын

G3 Ministries : I can't help pointing out just as others her have mentioned, but confirming in more detail: This video @ 52:38 to 52:39 (I hear a kind of 'thunk' sound there) and all that follows (until about 1:05:08) is a REPEAT of @ 40:14 through 52:38, so the video jumps back and repeats that chunk. FOR EVERYONE ELSE, once you get to 52:38, jump to 1:05:08 to hear the rest of James White's presentation!

@HartyBiker Жыл бұрын

I was listening to this at work with my phone in my pocket and suddenly heard it repeat. Thought I must have bumped my phone so I was trying to find where I was at again. Thanks for confirming my suspicions 👍

@Dan123TheStarman Жыл бұрын

@@HartyBiker Thank you Harty! My hope is that this will help others pick up at the right time to finish James' lecture and train of thought without much trouble, and I very much hope that some do not just give up and think that the end was erased.

@sean_fisher Жыл бұрын

Ahh, thank you Dan! I suspected something.

@TTaylor Жыл бұрын

Pin this comment! It needs to be at the top

@derekbaars1932 Жыл бұрын

Thirteen minutes of the lecture are repeated. It starts with the story of the manuscript in Ireland. Thank you very much for making this lecture available.

@willfull1604 Жыл бұрын

glad thats not just me. but disappointed because i think we missed out on part of the lecture

@SpartanLeonidas1821 Жыл бұрын

Its Fragmented…you are correct! 😃

@JonathanLaRiviere Жыл бұрын

It appears to get back on track around 1:05:00

@wreigh6271 Жыл бұрын

I thought it was deja vu lol

@michealferrell1677 Жыл бұрын

What a treasure god has given us in this man

@bradleyjones3391 Жыл бұрын

Such a love for the Scriptures and their transmission. So grateful for Dr. White and his humor.

@hisworkmanship7258 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant expositor Dr White!! 🎉

@5warpotentials258 Жыл бұрын

If only he wasn’t a Calvinist

@flyhog8574 Жыл бұрын

@@5warpotentials258 can you elaborate? I’m not seeing anything in his doctrine that would make him apostate… one can adhere to the doctrines of grace and not be apostate while another can adhere to Arminian theology and not be apostate but follow both their extremes and you’re asking for trouble. Judging someone for their particular bent in doctrine of they aren’t apostate is something Paul, Peter, and other apostles strictly forbade.

@jimijames7703 11 ай бұрын

Here’s the deal it’s the middle both are right C and A are both right. Gods Ways are Higher than our ways.Who can understand Him?!

@joelcarter2535 18 күн бұрын

@@5warpotentials258 what does that have to do with anything?

@dylanmilks Жыл бұрын

Just an amazing presentation! Wow! I have such gratitude and amazement for how the Lord has preserved the accuracy of His Word.

@ServantofGOD__ Жыл бұрын

Well done as always James. Would be nice to also see Daniel Wallace present on this topic at G3 in the future.

@duncescotus2342 Жыл бұрын

This is brother James White at his most resourceful devil defying best!

@ThomasCranmer1959 16 күн бұрын

How do 2,000 errors reconstruct an inerrant text?

@duncescotus2342 16 күн бұрын

@@ThomasCranmer1959 O ghost of the poor author of the Book of Common Prayer, damn your unworthy hand, our big book has only the errors that God allows.

@newlookknicks1 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video! Thank you to James White and to G3!

@G3Ministries Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@Ttcopp12rt Жыл бұрын

Right on Dr. White 👍

@keynent Жыл бұрын

I so love this. Thank you

@sublyme2157 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, this was great

@Cpursup Жыл бұрын

Another Home Run!! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👏🏽 Sharing this one too! Thank Youuu!!!

@ChildofGod98765 Жыл бұрын

Jesus I love you and have trust and confidence in you. I have faith in Jesus . I will never stop trusting in him, even though I’m struggling putting groceries in my refrigerator, and paying bills. Like so many others, I lost my job as a social worker at Forsyth because I declined the vaccine. I declined because of my pre existing health condition (Lupus) and Heart disease. I was denied my medical/religious exemption from Forsyth Hospital. I’m waitressing but not making nearly enough to make ends meet. My husband died years ago. I’m all alone. I’m a single mother with two beautiful children both of my sons are autistic. So I’m overwhelmed at times because they require so much more from me. Sometimes I want to give up. But God keeps me going. Every month is a struggle, to not end up on the streets with my little boys. BUT I have faith God will provide. He HAS so FAR. With God all things are possible.

@NitoLFC12 Жыл бұрын

Good way to start the morning !

@Fourwedge Жыл бұрын

Great video. I love his explanations!

@MWTS2012 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Dr White. This was very enlightening indeed.

@samuelsunderarajan2694 Жыл бұрын

Yes, 53 to 1:05 are repeated, but thanks a lot for this! Praise be to our Lord for Dr White and his ministry 😊

@sundaychillbilly 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for pointing out where I should jump to.

@jeremsgarage 3 ай бұрын

It’s worth listening to twice. 🥳

@pammartinez6962 8 ай бұрын

I'm enjoying this video many times and learning so much! Thanks!

@christopherlawson3380 Жыл бұрын

Well explained. I understand after many years

@LionofJudah7771 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Dr White for this lecture and thank you for making it available. I thoroughly enjoyed it and learnt so much! All my Christian life this has been a passion of mine, Biblical manuscripts and inerrancy.

@PhilGeissler 8 ай бұрын

This is so amazing!

@gospelbelievers 9 ай бұрын

Very informative. Thank you 🙏

@Maddog_Mark 8 ай бұрын

James White is such a gem to the church

@Laskarides Жыл бұрын

Wahnsinn!!!!! Υπέροχα!!!!! Great!!!!!

@Amilton5solas Жыл бұрын

Wow!!! I soaked this in!!!! Loved it!! I love Christianity I’m glad it’s all real

@jimjoe9945 Жыл бұрын

Are you one of the elect?

@Amilton5solas Жыл бұрын

@@jimjoe9945 yes!

@jimjoe9945 Жыл бұрын

@@Amilton5solas do you believe God made souls for destruction?

@Amilton5solas Жыл бұрын

@@jimjoe9945 Yes! Romans 9 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience (AE)vessels of wrath (AF)prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known (AG)the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he (AH)has prepared beforehand for glory-

@jimjoe9945 Жыл бұрын

@@Amilton5solas are your family members the elect?

@erickalick7555 5 ай бұрын

OMG! I can't believe Dr. White was in Zambia🇿🇲 and I didn't know. I would have loved to attend his lecture.

@petersneddon962 11 ай бұрын

Thankyou

@MikeAcousticMusic Жыл бұрын

always appreciate what Dr White brings Praise God for these available and online while they are

@charles13773 7 ай бұрын

Jame White is such a gem ❤

@MetalFrogman23 8 ай бұрын

This is fascinating. I would love to go to school/seminary and learn all this.

@tybaltmarr2158 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video

@gordylee8421 Жыл бұрын

Dr White, come to Oklahoma And we’ll ride motorcycles and let the wind blow through our righteous goatee’s. Glorious

@awesomeness1414 9 ай бұрын

Very interesting ❤ ty

@MetalxJunkie67 Жыл бұрын

Loved this! Such an important topic. The video looped at the end though, was really confused at first lol

@adriansabo198 Жыл бұрын

That's because this man is backing a losing side that is very confusing! Repent otherwise you to can lose your voice like Don Wilkins did on the John Ankerberg show

@Berean_with_a_BTh 9 ай бұрын

@@adriansabo198Only he didn't...

@DipsyDoodleDaisy Жыл бұрын

Dear Dr. White, please stand still. ☺️

@KristiLEvans1 Жыл бұрын

I love this. He’s in rare form in this one. Lol.

@brianpoad1117 Жыл бұрын

Good, 13 minutes are repeated, but it was good to hear again, thought I was losing it 😂

@toughbiblepassages9082 Жыл бұрын

People know James White as a Calvinist Theologian, but in my opinion, his greatest contributions to the church are his Biblical manuscript studies. Love it

@sstewart03 9 ай бұрын

Calvinism is good.

@pinkgazera1024 3 ай бұрын

I appreciate your giving light on his contribution. Right now I'm trying to conduct my own research on manuscripts, and always find James White. We are blessed to have him older than us.

@HartyBiker Жыл бұрын

This gives me an idea for memorisation to handwrite the bible. I know for me it helps to write stuff down to remember it and I also have to read things multiple times to copy it (Read a sentence, start writing, forget what I'm copying and read it again lol). Might get onto that soon

@Migger_29 Жыл бұрын

Do a test a see how many copyist errors you make in your handwritten copy.

@DjSostre7 Жыл бұрын

@@Migger_29 that would be interesting

@darkstar92772 9 ай бұрын

That is a pretty good idea. Checking in 11 months later. How did/is your project going?

@HartyBiker 9 ай бұрын

@@darkstar92772 it's going well. I've had times where I'm more dedicated and times when I'm less dedicated, but I've found it to be an amazing way to do daily devotions and bible study. It will take me years, but I plan to go through the entire bible

@keynent Жыл бұрын

When he said the Vatican Library has lots of stuffs in it that has nothing to do with Roman Catholicism 💀

@MrMugshot19 Жыл бұрын

This was so dope!

@antoniosilvestrojr. Жыл бұрын

Show Nuff!!!

@wadejnelson Жыл бұрын

was hoping he would introduce P52 very satisfying

@thinktank8286 11 ай бұрын

This is the first time I have ever heard positive remarks about Sinaticus, Vaticanus, Tishendorf, Wescott, Hort etc. I had only heard the stories put out by the KJVO that says these men were evil along with their discoveries.

@Bethkar45 Жыл бұрын

Another excellent presentation by James White. Pity about the repetition of 10 minutes toward the end! SDG!

@jaredtoney3417 Жыл бұрын

There is repeated portion of the lecture for some reason towards the end.

@keynent Жыл бұрын

Reading this comment confirms it does hehe.

@jrpzjrpz24 10 ай бұрын

❤

@davidbraun6209 Жыл бұрын

You erred on one thing: 666 v. 616. The difference is in spelling of Neron Kaisar (NRWN QSR) in Greek in Hebrew letters versus spelling of Nero Caesar (NRW QSR) in Latin in Hebrew letters. The "nun" (Hebrew letter for N) was equivalent to 50.

@gregorywarmoth1144 Жыл бұрын

I would really appreciate Dr. James White discussing the Lutheran perspective on the Lord's Supper. Every rebuttal of literal eating is on Catholic transubstantiation and repropitiation, which I reject. Yet, there hasn't been any address to the patristic sources used by Lutherans, such as Ignatius and Justin Martyr, that still claim literal eating.

@velociray Жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/apOpd6Sn2J-xpps.html Paul gets it right, "For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes." Think about that, any time you break bread or drink wine, it's a proclamation of Christ's atoning work. Eat a sandwich, remember God, go out to fancy dinner and order expensive wine, proclaim Jesus. Or, argue how it works, your choice, 😆

@5warpotentials258 Жыл бұрын

No we don’t need anymore Calvinist point of views

@velociray Жыл бұрын

@@5warpotentials258 its a shame we cannot ask for dialogue and explanations anymore.

@shaneyboy2039 Жыл бұрын

Does Lutheran doctrine follow Transubstantiation or does it resolve down to Consubstantiation?

@mosesking2923 10 ай бұрын

@@shaneyboy2039 Lutherans believe in consubstantiation in principle, though they prefer the term "corporeal presence."

@josephlarrew Жыл бұрын

I like how he continually hounds social media platforms, lol.

@robertplank6284 5 ай бұрын

I wish there was more material like this for us, the typical pew sitter with no seminary background

@P_Ezi Жыл бұрын

I agree with everything presented here except for the bow tie.

@RealAccioNimbus2000 Жыл бұрын

Ok, when you get to 52:38 Please click or tap the next blue section of this comment to skip to 1:05:06 why? Well the video repeats a bit, it’ll save you a lot of trouble.

@stormythelowcountrykitty7147 8 ай бұрын

For the algorithm

@Jay_the_giant Жыл бұрын

How is it that at about 42 minutes and at about 54 minutes the same exact story about him getting on the ground to read the manuscript and the security guard asks him what he’s doing is being told? When did the video start a loop?

@SolaScriptura21 Жыл бұрын

Variants, God using the weakness of man to preserve His word.

@shantvincent782 Жыл бұрын

Does this repeat a few times at the end?

@jerem0621 Жыл бұрын

Indeed it does. It picks back up around the 50 ish minute mark.

@keanurhoades7277 Жыл бұрын

I have one question about Papyrus 72. How do we know it was from 200 AD?

@ShepherdsHook Жыл бұрын

1:04:20

@mikepruett1745 Жыл бұрын

video repeats at 41 and 54 min

@bernardomedina8028 Жыл бұрын

At minute 46 and 58 the video is in a loop. Not sure if anything important is excluded. But please fix it.

@twiceheldhome 8 ай бұрын

When you get to 52:40 skip forward to 1:05:00 because everything in between is a repeated section and an error in editing :) just a time stamp for ya.

@francissweeney7318 6 ай бұрын

White left out an important bridge between the old and the new. There is a complete copy of The Book of Isaiah in the Israel Museum. My favorite section is Isaiah 9:6. It describes Jesus.

@hrlascrucestoday8744 Жыл бұрын

Interesting that one of the oldest copies of Scripture is kept by the Catholic Church,

@betawithbrett7068 Жыл бұрын

I appreciate Dr James White very much but baffled why at 35 minutes 40 seconds, when mentioning the earliest variants on John 1:18, p66 and p75, he translates μονογενὴς θεός as "unique God" when it means "only begotten" theos (divine one or " only begotten God"... hence Nicene Creed "God from God"...or "divinity from divinity" or "deity from deity" the Word was and is a divine Spirit that came forth from God the Father, i.e. the begetter.

@ulisesbernales5969 Жыл бұрын

It's like drawing a art piece if you copy it theirs gonna be a difference but you get to see the picture anyway that the artist drew😏😎

@susyhebner2543 Жыл бұрын

I thought they read & wrote from right to left???

@SaltShack Жыл бұрын

The oldest Bible in the world was found in an Eastern Orthodox Monastery. That tells you all you need to know.

@SD-xs3py Жыл бұрын

This is so interesting and well done. However, is extremely annoying to have advertisements ,especially non-Christian, in the middle of the lecture!

@HearGodsWord Жыл бұрын

The ads that appear are based on your analytics i.e. your watch and search history.

@SD-xs3py Жыл бұрын

@@HearGodsWord The point I was trying to make is how disrptive it is to have ads in the middle of a lecture.

@marthaj67 Жыл бұрын

@@SD-xs3py Then why don't you get an ad-blocking software? There are plenty to choose from.

@vik600rr Жыл бұрын

So my question is: which Bible is the most accurate from the original version?

@mattcorrickmagic771 Жыл бұрын

Between the ESV and NASB I think.

@edcarson3113 Жыл бұрын

@@mattcorrickmagic771 😂

@richiejourney1840 9 ай бұрын

Nestle Alland Greek NT 28th/29th edition for NT

@georgeluke6382 9 ай бұрын

Wasn’t Siniaticus being used as trash/for a monk discard pile?

@georgeluke6382 9 ай бұрын

Theodore Letis’ “Ecclesiastical Text”, and David Allen Black’s “intro to Nt criticism” should be read by one another. Getting an understanding of the staggering proportion of translation and liturgical use out of the Byzantine stream, as well as early church quotations that match the Byzantine tradition would helpfully balance a lot of the amazing stuff here.

@jeremyhewitt2637 Жыл бұрын

Min 42 and 55 seem to be a loop of the same thing

@ThomasCranmer1959 16 күн бұрын

13:17 Who can reconstruct an entire manuscript from a tiny scrap? Critical editions of the Greek New Testament take scraps and piece them into an eclectic jigsaw puzzle of their own creative imagination.

@BibleBeliever101 11 ай бұрын

I want your tie

@SeidellNorbel Жыл бұрын

Looks like there is an error in the video. At the 52:40 mark the video repeats the video starting from 40:13, but then picks up at 1:05:19 to complete.

@antoniosilvestrojr. Жыл бұрын

Im going to get the paper, to get the paper

@SeidellNorbel Жыл бұрын

@@antoniosilvestrojr. Hey I know you!

@antoniosilvestrojr. Жыл бұрын

Who am I?😃

@SeidellNorbel Жыл бұрын

Sum guy who does evangelism and wrote a book about birds and stuff

@antoniosilvestrojr. Жыл бұрын

Sorry, wrong guy

@philjackson5387 Жыл бұрын

The way to end the debate over this stuff is to ask these questions::... 1)... "Can anyone prove conclusively that the Authorized Version is not a verbatim reproduction of the originals?" 2)... List me just one 'reading' we posses today, that the King James translators did not have access to? End of the debate 😁

@Berean_with_a_BTh 9 ай бұрын

Of course they can. The KJV even incorporates text for which there is 0 manuscript evidence.

@philjackson5387 9 ай бұрын

@@Berean_with_a_BTh Morning..... How do you know the King James translators didn't have manuscript evidence for 'all' their 'readings'?

@ThomasCranmer1959 16 күн бұрын

2:52 Reliability is NOT the same thing as plenary verbal inspiration/inerrancy.

@CornerTalker Жыл бұрын

How many people think that mosques of the former Ottoman Empire have manuscripts from the sacking of Constantinople?

@jeffreyhamer3107 11 ай бұрын

Get a book called the text of the new testament . There are at least two good ones written by different people that are good. You will learn much more from the book than from a talk like this. Bruce Metzger is one of the authors. Blessings.

@Berean_with_a_BTh 9 ай бұрын

Videos such as this are still useful for those who don't want to buy such books or invest the time and effort it takes to properly understand them. PS, the Metzger book you're referring to is probably _The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission Corruption and Restoration_

@johan_ness 2 ай бұрын

Why don't they just create a new Textus receptus? Has anyone compared the Textus receptus with the manuscripts dated on 300?

@theboss240 Жыл бұрын

Dude. 😁

@SpendingAddict Жыл бұрын

I think of James White as the greatest theologian alive. Maybe not the best PREACHER... of course I've heard better, but he's so incredibly knowledgeable it's insane. He knows things I didn't know ANYONE could know.

@larrybedouin2921 Жыл бұрын

A God of love wants love uncoerced in return. Thou shalt not take the name [character] of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. {Exodus 20:7} And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. *God is love* and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. {1 John 4:16}

@philtanics1082 Жыл бұрын

Ya, pretty sure all of us here know the Scriptures but what does that have to do with manuscripts?

@larrybedouin2921 Жыл бұрын

@@philtanics1082 Any bible translation after Wescott and Hoth, (wolves in sheeps clothing) is Jesuit corruption.

@gordonreed2736 Жыл бұрын

We love him because he first loved us. So a psychoanalysis if God out thin air is...thin

@petersarjeant1370 Жыл бұрын

Brother Whyte, An honest question would be: Does this mean that our Lord spoke LIES? He (who is truth) has said: My WORDS shall not pass away - Period. No. that does not bother me, because the Bible I use has in all his words.

@AnHebrewChild Жыл бұрын

And they watched him, and sent forth spies, which should feign themselves just men, that they might take hold of his words, that so they might deliver him unto the power and authority of the governor. (Lk20:20) The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. (Luk16:16) And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words. (Mark12:13) Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. (Mat24:35) _ For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him. The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psa12:6-7)

@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah 27 күн бұрын

23:06 I expect it is likely I'll be in my glorified spiritual body by then. I'm not sure the joke can land with a Christian crowd, if we have fully imbibed our own worldview. Maybe some expect Christ's coming to be later than that: granted.

@amankandulna9382 Жыл бұрын

616 is the Marvel Cinematic Universe 😂

@larrybedouin2921 Жыл бұрын

Wondering after the beast of Rome.

@joem13yearsago73 Жыл бұрын

I can ride anything

@beastlythumbs480 Жыл бұрын

is this the white Voddie ?

@ThomasCranmer1959 16 күн бұрын

11:17 There are 2,000 errors in the Bible?

@ThomasCranmer1959 16 күн бұрын

36:19 The only begotten God.?

@aggabus Жыл бұрын

Poor audio

@monotheist.. Жыл бұрын

vast of nt from 1000 ad manuscript miveble new book of john earliest 125 bart ehrman the leading scholars revelation have fewest manuscript codx sinaitiuc alexandris vaticanus tyndallee kjv 1500 important variant effct the meaning in nt p52 john earliest copy 125 luke vicarouus atonement interpolation also revelation interpolation in kjv nukber of the beast 616 in two earliest not 666

@theboss240 Жыл бұрын

I'm running out of time. I need a single girl over here.. I'm hurting Sarge

@henochparks Жыл бұрын

we notice this guy is is turning off the comments section on his videos.

@jamessheffield4173 Жыл бұрын

Why some have problems with Reasoned eclecticism. I John 5:7 is found in a majority of the Latin, but not the Greek so out it goes. Good will towards men Doxology in Matthew Without cause God manifest in the flesh Are a majority in the Greek but not in the Latin, so out they go The PA and Mark 16:9-20 are a majority in both the Greek and Latin so out they go. Even the “not yet” found in the two of the earliest(P66.P75) in John 7:8 some throw out. If as an orthodox Christian you don't see a problem, what would you see as a problem?