you gotta admit, if Joffrey was king these Sparrows would've been owned

Where's Joffrey when you need him

Say what you will, but Margaery was right when she said Joffrey would give her a necklace of dead sparrows

This scene is good and stuff, but I'm still annoyed with how they totally fucked over Loras' storyline and his personality... In the book, he wasn't just banging Renly for the fun of it. They were truly in love, and when Renly died Loras took an oath of celibacy, saying that "Once the sun sets, no candle can replace it". He then goes off to fight the remaining Stannis supporters on Dragonstone, and gets injured. But in the show, they completely revolve his story around the fact that he's gay, and they make him bang every other gay guy he sees as if he can't help it, and then they arrest him for being gay, and it's all about being gay, while in the book being gay wasn't even that much of a sin to the Sparrows. It's the total destruction of a good character.

The logic in that claim. OF COURSE Oliver would know Loras had a birthmark. Squires help dress them in the morning? That claim is absolute bullshit. To hell with these logistics.

I hated Joffrey with every single cell on my body, but he made people fear him- seeing Tommen as the king is so frustrating.

Everyone in the show : do something Tommen :

Say what you will about him, but Joffrey would never have allowed that

Margaery wont be giving Tommen anymore bed room fun after this.....

I'm sorry but: 1. The Tyrell army combined with Tommen's army could have decimated the Faith for doing this 2. That guy was a squire and therefore it would be perfectly normal for him to know that Loras had a birth mark???

The only time I wanted Joffrey back for this just once lmaooo

I hate to say it but Tywin should have lived to teach Tommen to be tougher. He is the only one, besides maybe Tyrion, that would be honest with him and give him some backbone. Tommen could have been a descent king with them around since he is already very kind.

Literally *_every character_* in this scene is dead.

For fuck's sake Olenna just march on King's Landing with your 80,000 men and end the Sparrows (and Cersei while you're at it).

LOL KING TOMMEN SUCH A PUPPET WITHOUT POWER :D

Love how the Kingsguard readily grab their swords and advance the moment the sparrows try to seize Queen Margaery. It makes it even more frustrating because Tommen had to actively signal for them to stand down. Had they intervened it would've been very bad news for the sparrows (those wooden sticks would've done f*ck all to full plate armor and they'd have gotten cut down). Margaery really should've just been Queen Regnant, the realm would've been far better off.

Margery gets arrested; I AM THE QUEEN!!! Cersei gets arrested; I AM THE QUEEN!!!

i never thought i would miss Joffrey's ruthlessness but here we are

Imagine what Cersei will do to Margaery and Loras if she finds out Olenna was behind Joffrey's murder.

3:29 Cersei’s fake outrage makes me laugh so much 🤣

Surely as Loras' squire, Olyvar must have been able to see his birthmark under entirely different - and innocent - circumstances?

I really fucking hate Cersei. Not only did she let her own personal feelings against a person get in the way of what is best for everyone, and not only did she exploit the Tyrell's family morale, but she also exploited her son's feebleness to get what she wanted.

Only at this scene, we need Joffrey

A part of me has always wondered why the Tyrells simply didn't have Cersei assassinated shortly after Tywin was killed as she was shown repeatedly to be an obstacle and Kevan was pretty much in charge of the war effort by that point. Cersei was literally the Queen Mother and beyond that held no utility or benefit to the conflict for either side.

4:18 I love this moment It's a perfect example of the price of weakness. Sometimes avoiding conflict makes those who depend on you suffer. It's a lesson I see a lot of leaders don't understand. Sometimes you have to fight (I know tommens only a kid so he gets a pass, but many many adults make the same mistake)

When she screamed Tommen's name I could only remember the scene where Anne Boleyn begs Henry VIII (The Tudors)

i love the look Ollena gives Cercei

The whole Margery arresting thing doesn't really make sense, she was arrested for lying to protect her brother, she never committed any crimes. Cersei committed incest w/ her cousin and jaime ( but they don't know that) and all she had to do was walk naked and boom she's free but Margery has to stand trial for a crime she didn't even commit? wtf? why doesnt she get the chance to walk or another punishment, seems like some bs they came of with to drive the plot.

Tommen's reign summed up: 👁️👄👁️ 👁️👄👁️ 👁️👄👁️ 👁️👄👁️ SPLAT

Margaery was really good. Smart and loyal. She did that all just for her brother. She deserved to be THE queen

That look from the Queen of Thorns. I hope she causes havoc next season.

the show is so fucking illogical sometimes its aggravating. if this happened in the books with marg getting arrested for lying and loras arrested (heir in the show, not in books), olenna would have all the power of the reach come to kings landing and demand that they are released or the city will be slaughtered. the power of the reach is so underwhelming in the show it breaks the immersion

This shows how important it is to have a well-organized protection plan for the king and for the king‘s family. Only two guards behind him are a bad protection even though we are aware that the high sparrow was not a threat a few moments before. On top of that, we can see a lot of sparrows in this room... never let it happen that people, who don’t seem like they are totally on your side, surround you. At least four kings guards, well-positioned (quarter) and maybe 5-6 Lannister soldiers near of this room would have solved this problematic situation here. Well, their weapons would‘ve been a bit ineffective (small room, less space to wield with a sword), but their high-end training would‘ve been appropriate enough for those bald people armed with a club.

This scene crystallized years ago what a bunch of hacks D&D were and foreshadowed the mediocre last season. In GRR Martin's feudal world and even the real historical feudal world, lords and lady's have retainers with them wherever they go. A rabble of militants can't arrest the queen right under the nose of her lady grandmother. They would get cut down by dozens of bodyguards. Instead in the books the faith arrest her at the Great Sept when Margaery goes to pray and is presumably lightly attended in a surprise attack. But as soon as as her father and his army march on King's Landing they release Margaery to Randyll Tarly's custody because they know full well the Tyrell would sack the city and kill everyone if anything was done to Margaery. The only reason Cersei is forced to march naked through King's Landing on the other hand is because neither her uncle nor her brother come to her aid with the Lannister army. This scene is devoid of logic.

“Is there anyone else who can support your claim?” “Yes, Queen Margery” Queen Margery: 👁👄👁

4:23 - Death stares between a thorn and a lioness.

Cersei was so blinded by her spite and rage it made her stupid and extremely short-sighted, if the seven (sparrows) became bold enough to arrest the wife of the king, How could she possibly think that anyone of nobility would be safe ??

"No-one expects the spanish inquisition!"

It just occured to me. If incriminating evidence was the fact that he had a birthmark on his thigh, Loras could have argued that the squire just learnt of it while he was helping Loras get dressed or put on his armour or something. Isn't that what squires are supposed to do?

“You are not as smart as you think you are”...this has never been more true

If I was King and Margaery was my wife, there was no way I'd let these idiots arrest her😂

Nevermind Joffrey, I would have loved to see Tywin deal with this situation.

Ridiculous that a squire knowing the knight they squired for (which literally involves dressing the man) has a birthmark is somehow considered irrefutable evidence that they're having sex, with Loras lunging at him instead of laughing off the absurdity of that level of proof. Then they arrest Margery simply because Olyvar claims she knew about it, which is even less proof than for Loras. It really shows how the show dropped off long before season 8, this is just nonsensical.

Why isn't Lorace's squire under arrest?

'STOP THIS MADNESS IN THE NAME OF YOUR KING!!"

I remember feeling heartbroken when Margaery was arrested... I had no idea what was to come 😢

Ahhh that smirk on Cersei's face! The joke's on you darling.

You can definitely see when the show went too far from the books. The quality drop after season 4 is amounting. Realism was sacrificed for development that was meant to surprise and get the audience talking. It was normal for squires to see those they served naked as much as a handmaiden to the lady they serve. During Louis XIVs reign, the more intimate and personal a subjects role was with Louis, the higher the honour was of that post. Loras was not some entirely impulsive fool whos entire personality revolved around how he was gay. He was a skilled and calculating warrior who wouldn't have acted so transparently.

Here's what I'd do if I were Tommen. 1. Before Margaery is led out of the room, command the Kingsguard to make the Sparrows release her. 2. Have the Kingsguard escort the Tyrells and Cersei to the Red Keep. Tell them to return with 3 more Kingsguard and some 300 Goldcloaks. That leaves me alone in the Sept, but I don't think the High Sparrow is willing to harm a boy who has not yet committed any serious sin. Besides, you know, KING. 3. Assure the High Sparrow that I won't prevent him from conducting the trial. After all, I too want to know if my queen is a lying biatch. I'll keep an eye on the Tyrells myself. He can have Olyvar if he wants. 4. Probably sign some conveniently-worded promise to that effect, if the High Sparrow insists (I don't think he will). 5. When the KG are back, ask for the High Sparrow's benediction, then leave. 6. In the Red Keep, tell the Tyrells that sorry, these are some serious accusations I heard, so we're having a trial. Prepare a strong case for the defence. 7. Hold the trial in a place where shit won't get out of my control. Ensure the Tyrells' safety. 8. If the sentence is too harsh, mitigate it, citing some precedent, or custom, or verse in the Seven-Pointed Star re king's mercy, the lack of strain in the quality thereof, divine right of the kings, blah blah blah. The Tyrells will not be happy about this and Cersei won't be hoist with her own petard. But the freakin' Lord of the 7 Kingdoms won't be such a total pushover.

I always thought tommen was such a useless king and acted like he had no power to over rule anything!

Every time I see Loras, I see a late 90's Leonardo DiCaprio without fail.

Can’t believe how they let these sparrows do what they did

Any woman who needs to say "I am the queen" is no true queen.

No matter, how often I rewatch this scene...I just can't get over how Tommen just sits there and lets them manhandle Margery. With several knights in full armor right behind them 🤯. One decisive order and there would have been a bloodbath among the Sparrows.

All Tommen had to do was yell "kingsguard" and those gold cloaks would have ended that whole circus and it would have given Tommen a badass character moment. But we all know this whole thing was Cersei's grand plan to keep control of the capital.

I wanted to sufficate Tommen at this scene

"Justice without strength is empty, strength without justice is violence. To be strong to protect yourself and others is your goal." - many wise men, probably

Cersei was so smug about apointing the high sparrow as high septon when he was going after people she didn't like but then it backfired on her so damn hard.

Dean-Charles Chapman, who portrays Tommen Baratheon, portrayed another character(Martyn Lannister for 2 episodes in 2013) who laid with a boy in an early episode. He was killed and then Dean returned to portray Tommen (16 episodes, 2014-2016) . Good thing the Sparrow didn't investigate that.

That awkward moment margaery glanced at tommen and cersei after been called forward was when she wished joffrey was alive still

This Season is very underrated, it was amazing

I love seeing Cersai's hatred in Margaery. Just look at her Villainous face at 4:26.

The Kingsguards were ready, Tommen just had to say the word

Loras reaction is just too good

Cersei had me dying when at 1:34 with that look

Where is Joffrey when you need him!!

The anticipation and confidence on Cersei's face at 2:35 just says it all.

Could he not say: "As a squire, he would be required to help me put on my armour so of course he'd have seen my naked body?"

Cersei's checkmate smirk at the end 😂😂😂

Poor Loras and Margaery miss them both so much

I love Olenna's face when she captured Cersei's expression and figured it all out like :" you bitch did that ey !" x)

In this is exactly why Maegar the cruel had faith militant killed and dispanded

Tommen wouldn't have been a good king either. He was too weak. How could he allow those fanatics to arrest his queen and run the city

Tomen is such a baby why does he just tell his guards to save margery. He such a fool in this episode. If margery was my wife i would have fought until my last breath.

Margaery and Olenna were Iconic the way Margaery didn’t even talk much in this scene but when they took her away she stole the scene and Olenna looking at Cersei cheifs Kiss!! Poor Tyrell family i loved them 😭😭😂

"Sir, they locked up the queen mother." Joffrey" I want my best men working on the best possible torture in response, public, and find their family members in the city to watch... and bring my mother back."

What I want is a "What If...?" series based on GoT, and the first episode would be "What if Joffrey was alive when the Sparrows tried to take kings landing?"

Anyone that say I am the Queen is no true Queen

Margery is a great sister for loras :)

Tommen DO SOMETHING, SAVE YOUR WIFE

Look at the Cersei's face!🤣🤣🤣

Hated Tommen for one reason and one reason only: Being an absolute coward and allowing his own mother, queen, and family in law to suffer.

Where’s Joffrey and Tywin when you needed them 😂

I love how the thumbnail looks like a Vevo music video.

Squires see lords naked all the time, for example, in the books Theon slept naked while sharing the room with Wax. They didn't have evidence for a trial, they just needed a reason to imprison them and force a confession.

I don’t understand Tommen. First they show them as some kind of hidden Napoleon when he speaks with Tywin at Joffrey’s wake, but then he devolves into a passive pansy right after. He had a spark of promise, initially.

King's reaction is priceless.

the smile of cersei give to olenna...

if joffrey the king, he would be like "bring me he's (high sparrow) head".. tomen just irritating me so much

If there's any moment that Joffrey or The Boltons would've been useful for something...this was it!

1:36 "phones, security systems; you name it, we got it."

Tywin would send Gregor Clegane to the sept, to make the sparrows "pray" like they have never prayed before

Say what you will about Joffrey but be would’ve steamrolled these Zealots

İ MİSS JOFFREY

When Tywin asked Tommen what is the one quality a great King must have, his first answer was Holiness. Foreshadowing his weak spot as it is what he valued the most and was easily controlled by it.

I love Olenna, her last eye watch to Cercei. RIP lady Olenna.

TOMMEN, DO SOMETHING ! Tommen : .........

this scene made me miss king Joffrey

One king abused his power, another one didn't use it.

That stare of lady olenna is so enthralling!