BEFORE YOU BUY A TORO TIMEMASTER, WATCH THIS!
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BEFORE YOU BUY A TORO TIMEMASTER, WATCH THIS! The TORO TIMEMASTER is a popular MOWER in Toro's line up. However, it is far from perfect. I have racked up nearly 100 hours on this mower over 4 years and is flaws are starting to show their faces. In this video, I go over 6 MAJOR ISSUES with this mower that NOT MANY OWNERS ARE TALKING ABOUT. If you are in the market to buy a Toro Timemaster, watch this video FIRST! LIKE & SUBSCRIBE!
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@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
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@andrewborell Жыл бұрын
That is also a great mower, but on a 1/3 acre or better, it's no replacement for my Time Master. And like many, I keep these types of tools in my shed :-p. One of my neighbors has this same Honda mower you linked. It's very light weight compared to a TM, and it's speedy. Also, you have to pull-start it again when you realize you forgot to pull the gutter downspouts before you started mowing. I notice the neighbor with this Honda only mows his front lawn with it, however, and uses a tractor on the back. I definitely wouldn't knock that Honda for what it's worth on a small lawn or edging around a large one, and Honda engines are pretty reliable in my experience.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@andrewborell thanks for sharing Andrew!
@johnbayliss1098 7 ай бұрын
Andrew I have to buy myself a mulcher can you do me a favor and see if you can do a little video on on one of the best mulches you can get for the yard for the leaves thank you my brother stay in touch thank you
@GarageGear 7 ай бұрын
@@johnbayliss1098 I’ll see what I can do 👍
@mercmanwon Жыл бұрын
I had a Timemaster for probably 6 or 7 years. I’ve replaced 1 cable kit. I keep sharp Gater blades on it. It’s fast it cuts great, lawn looks great and does what it’s advertised to do. If this one died I would buy another tomorrow.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@danielcarlin545 11 ай бұрын
Me too.
@SinnerSince1962 9 ай бұрын
I'm not sure I would now that they are $1699, because that's crazy money for this mower. I'd buy a used Scag first.
@joemcmillan2089 Жыл бұрын
My Honda Harmony 21" was purchased new in 2003 when they first came out. I have replaced the trans and drive belt ONE time at a cost of $129. Still starts first pull and no other issues. $700 seemed very expensive at the time of purchase BUT 19 years later it's still a great mower..
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Keep it around as long as you can Joe! Thanks for watching!
@smrheaume 2 ай бұрын
I soooooo wish I had seen your video earlier. October of 2023, we found out the very hard way about the faulty flap. My son was mowing the lawn and ended up with a piece of metal lodged in his ankle. The piece of metal was sucked up by the mower and lodged in his ankle and fractured the bone. 3 days in the hospital, a surgery and 12 weeks of recovery was a really hard way to find out that the flap was faulty. Oh, and ended his HS football season prematurely and totally hindered his basketball season. Really annoyed with Toro. And the #6 issue of clogging is no joke. We spent more time clearing out the mower and cleaning underneath than we did mowing. Thanks for the honest feedback.
@GarageGear 2 ай бұрын
Oh wow that’s terrible. Hope he is walking okay after all that. These mowers really are the worst in every aspect!
@RDYOUTUBE54 Ай бұрын
Ok, so you have a million dollar lawsuit.
@rickcimino5483 Ай бұрын
Wait, are you telling me that a piece of metal from the machine (from the flap) is what broke off? That is truly terrible. But, don't leave us hanging here.....did you at least contact Toro?
@johnrus7661 Ай бұрын
@rickcimino5483 No, it threw a piece of metal. I feel sorry for the kid, that sucks. But it's a mower. It can throw stuff. That's why I always wear jeans and boots. Because it abesolutely can kick rocks and whatnot. Can't sue because you were operating it in shorts and sandals.
@johnrus7661 Ай бұрын
@@GarageGearThey are abesolutely not the worst in every aspect. They are mechanical devices, they all need maintaince. My brother maintains a soccer field and the mower they use. Even their big 40k mower constantly needs parts and repairs. I think you need to have realistic expectations for a mower. It's not bullet proof. Not even the big dollar ones are.
@robertrich4756 11 ай бұрын
This was really good, and the honest evaluation is very helpful. I have owned the 30" Timemaster for 9 years. I paid just under $1,200 for it, and have diligently tracked my repair costs, which are just OVER $1,200. So, basically I have purchased the Timemaster twice in 9 years. But only got one machine, of course. As I write this, my machine is int he shop because the muffler is loose. One of the bolts holding it to the head has vibrated itself out and is lost. The muffler guard vibrated off long ago. The shop tells me to fix it, a new head will need to be installed because the threads that hold the bolts that hold the muffler are worn. Total repair estimate is $500. I agree with this review that in the final analysis you don't save much, if any time with this machine, due to the repairs and maintenance. I've been looking at the DR SP30 as a replacement, but may just go to a smaller mower. It will also be easier to haul around as I have a couple properties. UPDATE-I decided to buy a Kohler CV224-3002 engine and will do the swap myself. After a lot of research I decided the mower was worth keeping, and the Kohler engine is a direct fit, and a beast. I'll soon find out.
@GarageGear 11 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for sharing this Robert! This is great Information for our community! 👍
@justinaylesworth3513 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the honest response. For sure changed my mind on just grabbing a commercial mower
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video and found it useful.
@travisgarrett1478 Жыл бұрын
I've had a timemaster for 3 cutting seasons now. I cut 20 lawns a week with it and have put 400+ hours on it. You're right about all of these problems. A pulley busted on me about 150 hours in. Clogging is slow for me because I'm in a dry climate. My transmission still works, but I've noticed it struggles on slopes. Despite the issues, I like my mower. The 40% faster mowing time really adds up. Also the personal pace is really nice. Very good video. Subbed.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Appreciate you Travis! Thanks for sharing! 👍
@jmdubbs1354 Жыл бұрын
As an owner of this model for the past 4 months, the clogging is a huge issue. I can’t say that enough. It’s a very clean cut though. But unless the grass is bone dry it’s going to clump and clump bad. You’re spot on with this, and I love your videos. I laughed when you mentioned the Honda, as I myself am currently looking to sell my current mower and buy a Honda
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hey JMW! The timemaster does give a good cut. No doubt about that but one drop of water will make for a long evening! Can’t go wrong with a Honda! Glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for watching!
@kevinisbell1867 Жыл бұрын
I've done commercial lawn care for 10 years and little mowers clogged up too. only difference is I can do in 2 days what took 3 days with the timemaster vs 21. little machines even the good ones don't move nearly as fast either.
@shanew7361 Жыл бұрын
Currently own a Honda hrx 217hya lawn mower and have been happy for 3 years other than the stupid plastic deck a d the underside venting underneath is a pitfa to clean.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@kevinisbell1867 thanks for sharing!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@shanew7361 thanks for sharing!
@kentcrawford8871 Жыл бұрын
You are right about the mower clogging up because of the useless blades. However i got some harden steal plate about 4” long and welded them to the blades so the blade looked like a cross. I bent the welded on blade so that it would blow down and I have never had any problem with the deck clogging since. Now it cuts awesome and never clogs.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing kent!
@LawnJourneys Жыл бұрын
Great video and flow. I wanted a Timemaster in the worst way over the past two seasons. I heard about the fuel tank complaint and the pulleys failing. I know two guys who have one and they have no complaints. In any case I decided to stick with my two "older" 21" Toros. They get the job done and when my son is running the other, the lawn gets done faster than any Timemaster by itself. With that said, I'd still like to give one a whirl but $1500 is steep knowing pulleys will be an issue. Be good.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hey Lawn Journeys! I checked out your channel! Great content on there! Luckily other than the flap and gas tank I haven’t had these major issues but I see way too many complaints on the FB page about these! Keep your older toros and avoid the headaches! Thanks for watching my friend!
@zerodrk3011 Жыл бұрын
WOW! I still have the original Timemaster that was $999 and it's still going strong.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Wow! Good for you my friend! Glad it’s rolling along nicely for you! Thanks for watching!
@ZachMaynard 9 ай бұрын
I’ve had to replace a belt or 2 but that’s it. Love it, just gets bogged down with heavy grass
@yamawarr962 2 ай бұрын
I’ve had mine 6 years. It’s been abused. Left outside. All the stickers are gone. And the first time I’ve encountered a non start is after having a kid and having them leave the gas cap off while pretending to fill it up with gas. Now I’m chasing a dirty carburetor 🤦🏻♂️
@billluster7687 2 ай бұрын
I bought a new Timemaster in 2011 (first year). Used it for 10 years with no issues. Sold it to a friend when I bought a zero turn. He's still using it in 2024! I guess I got a good one! 👍👍👍
@DrJuan-ev8lu 2 ай бұрын
I've had mine since they came out and have replaced the cog sync belt once and cable sets twice. The latter is because I keep it outside a lot and cables get rained on and seize from corrosion.
@user-iu6sq3ow7l 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for this post. All the things I have found with this mower you covered...every season I have the "repair or replace" conversation with myself. And yes, my old push Masport makes it out of retirement every season as back-up #1.
@GarageGear 10 ай бұрын
You got it my friend! Keep that other mower around lol! Thanks for watching
@garygoodgion3533 Күн бұрын
I spray a little ceramic car wax on the deck before I mow if the yard is damp. No clogged deck. I mow a big hill with it, I couldn't do it with out the self propelled assistance. So far fuel not a problem. I love my toro
@GarageGear Күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Glad you have had a good experience with it.
@garygoodgion3533 Күн бұрын
@@GarageGear I think these mowers are like cars never buy one that was built on a Fri or a mon
@GarageGear Күн бұрын
@@garygoodgion3533 lol good tip for sure
@mikez9492 Жыл бұрын
I’ve had my Toro Timemaster for a couple of years now and I haven’t had any issues. I sharpen my blades a couple times a year which might be preventing some of the clogging issues, but I’ve always done that regardless of what mower I’ve owned. The only part of the video I have to agree with is the fuel tank. I mow the backyard, refuel, then mow the front yard. It’s annoying, but really a minor inconvenience, all things considered. I love this mower and hopefully mine will continue to hold up over time. She starts on the first pull every single time. I can’t say that about any other brand that I’ve owned.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Mike!
@cubist12 Жыл бұрын
I've found a definite improvement in mowing time with the TimeMaster. Granted, I've only had it for one season and one mow so far, but I've been pretty happy. My yard does have places - particularly in Spring, where the grass grows tall. It struggles a little, but I can usually make it through. My previous Toro would have absolutely choked in the same situation. I didn't have any issues with clogging last year, though. I've seen enough videos on the pully system to know that it'll come for me one day, but I have a hunch that many of the other issues are YMMV. Frequency of mow, type of grass, type of weather, length of grass, aggressiveness of how you mow, terrain types, etc. Those will all put more or less stress on the mower. People complain about the gas tank, for instance, but I think the only time I've had to refill mid-mow is when the grass was really tall. IMO, that's more an issue of me skipping mows during growing season (and me being lazy and still trying to use a lower setting) than the mower letting me down. I'd consider my overall lawn area 'average', but I do have hills on either side of the house. Overall, no regrets yet, but it's good to have videos like these so we know what could be coming down the line.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Ken! Appreciate your feedback
@GunnyPhillips Жыл бұрын
Yea, I'd say "let's reconvene in a year or two." Not wishing issues on you but the verdict is in on these and the news, while not entirely bad, is concerning. Toro should have done much better.
@robertrich4756 11 ай бұрын
@@GunnyPhillips Agreed. One season is not NEARLY enough time to assess this machine's reliability. After owning my for 9 years, I can attest it needs to be built much better. Too much shop time and too much money spent on repairs. I joke with the shop that the second M in Timemaster should have been a W.
@captsirl 8 ай бұрын
This stopped me from buying one. I have 10 yards a day minimum. It will not work for me. Yes I think it's a great NONCOMMERCIAL tool and you will enjoy yours. Total Home Care . Punta del Esté Uruguay
@PWbflo Жыл бұрын
Love the honesty! I got some bad things to say about cub cadet, and their new parent company black and decker. But high praise for our local dealer where I got it from.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
These mower brands get handed around like Pokémon cards lol! Some dealers got their acts together! Thanks for watching another my friend and for sharing your input! 👍
@yannih1782 Жыл бұрын
Honesty at last! Thankyou so much. Credibility gained!!!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hey yanni! I was getting tired of toro fan boys talking it up when it’s got all these issues. If you go on the toro timemaster Facebook page you’ll see all the problems associated with it. Thanks for watching 👍
@danlah1303 Жыл бұрын
This is spot on. It's important to tell it like it is. I don't completely regret my purchase, but I probably wouldn't buy it again.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
RIGHT ON Dan! Same here I don’t completely regret my purchase either but will not be buying another. I know some people that as soon as something major goes they buy another right away. They’re on their fourth one now. Lol crazy! Thanks for watching!
@jeffalldredge4237 Жыл бұрын
I have had zero issues with a clogging deck and I mulch exclusively. I do sharpen the blades several times each season which I have read helps immensely with not clogging. I did increase the RPM slightly on mine and that has helped with being able to cut and mulch higher grass with no issues. My only grip is the belts as they brake at least twice every year.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Jeff! It’s only a matter of time until mine break! Ticking time bomb lol!
@ModSquads Жыл бұрын
Buying my belts two at a time
@leadnsteel1428 Жыл бұрын
You can also get a kohler aftermarket engine for this. I replaced the crappy Briggs and Stratton with one and the Kohler is so much better its more powerful.
@armurano5093 Жыл бұрын
Ouch! $85 each at my dealer. Insane.
@frankie7508 6 ай бұрын
It's why I like your channel because you do honest reviews. I own a Toro 22 inch Personal pace self propelled rear wheel drive lawn mower that I purchased in 2012 For my one third acre lot. It struggled up the hills because of a weak transmission. I then moved to a house which had one half, an acre and a steep Hill. I looked at the time master and concluded. It would be too weak for the hills. A neighbor of mine bought a toro time master. It lasted one season. He then went out and bought a john deere tractor. I decided I wanted a mower that could handle a seventeen percent grade hill and do it safely. There was no residential mowers that could handle the hill regardless of how much I spent. So I decided on a gravely pro walk 36 inch commercial machine. The only thing plastic on it is the gas tank. It has a fourteen and a half horsebower kawasaki is kawasaki engine. It works perfectly. I will never go back to purchasing a residential mowing machine ever again. The toro time master residential machines are all junk, Plastic throughout And the decks are 14 gauge sheet metal that is stamped, Which end up cracking at the high stress locations such as the handle bar Attachment location. I now look forward to mowing my lawn with my gravely. But one has to have the money to buy a up front and it is 2-3 times more expensive. But if you can afford it then many of your Maintenance problems are going away forever.
@GarageGear 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this Frankie! You’re right there’s a lot of plastic on the timemaster! Total junk! Glad I sold mine!
@normanortega3439 Жыл бұрын
I've been using the timemaster for about 3 years now and I agree that all walk behind mowers bog down at some point it doesn't really do that great mulching either and does the same in wet grass as any other IMO I've learned that every week after using it commercial you have to open the black plastic part an blow in there to get the grass that builds up if not that's problems waiting to happen if you can do it sooner even better, and the plugs that go on top of the pulleys I used silicone sealant so they don't pop up an debris gets in the bearings I also replaced them with the commercial ones other then that I've never had any other issues I'd buy it again you just have to maintain it and yeah I wish the tank was bigger to might have to put the time an energy to what you did
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Norman! 👍
@JACK-ez5me Жыл бұрын
And I was really considering buying one for next season. Thanks for making this video and saving me $1,500 and a lot of headaches. I'll keep using my $700 honda push mower. It cuts tall and thick grass like no other without stopping.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Awesome Jack! Glad I could save you some headaches! Hold onto that Honda! They always get the job done! Thanks for watching!
@vegass04 Жыл бұрын
I own the commercial 21" Honda for my lawn care business and I have a completely different opinion. My Honda clogs up constantly. This is the part of it I hate the most. My guess is that even its 200cc engine is to weak plus the back discharge is inferior to side discharge. Despite these flaws I love the reliability of Honda, ease of use and the huge grass bag. I'm in the process of either getting the larger 30" push mower (Timemaster included but given this review I doubt it). Maybe the Turfmaster which is commercial Timemaster. Or I'll go all in and get the residential zero turn Toei Timecutter since it'll work for 2-4 hours a week..
@MUUKOW3 Жыл бұрын
Luclily I still use my 1989 Toro GTS 2 cycle mower one of the best mowers ever. As a former Toro dealer and still work on timecutters and its Exmark twin one of the biggest problems are from using the home owner version as a commercial mower ! The front tension pulleys survive much longer if one actually cleans out the belt cover ,the transmission failure is generally caused from lack of cable adjustment or from the unit being used as a yard cart as guys will carry a full can of grass and the mower bag full of wet grass back to the truck or take the blower for a ride. There are definitely places the bean counters have cut corners but that what happened when Toro decided to go down market to sell more units at home improvement stores instead of just independent dealers. Honda has done the same thing . Need a tougher mower? Go commercial or buy one of the lesser known manufacturers from a dealer instead of just relying on a name brand there are some much better built machines out there!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Those older 2 cycle mowers are amazing! Thanks for sharing Scott!
@coniccinoc 11 ай бұрын
Thank you! Easily the very best Toro TM review I have come across. Liked and subscribed. Really appreciate the info.
@GarageGear 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Appreciate your feedback!
@gslawnservicehornsbyaustra4318 Жыл бұрын
I’ve used mine pretty much 5-6 days a week for a year and a half and haven’t really had much trouble with it. Small petrol tank but it takes 1min to fill it up, wet grass gets stuck underneath but doesn’t bother me really. Changing the belts tomorrow for the first time. I do see that you haven’t taken off the plastic cover that covers the belts and also still use the plastic discard thingy. I definitely love my Timemaster and will get another one in a year or so. 🙂🤝
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing G&S!
@shaunhiggins2405 28 күн бұрын
Very informative! Changed my mind about getting a Timemaster, Thank you!
@GarageGear 28 күн бұрын
You saved yourself a ton of headaches! Thanks for watching!
@johnfetter3252 Жыл бұрын
I am on my 5th season with my Timemaster. Use about 100 hours a season. 19k sq foot Bermuda. Engine runs strong, no problems. Transmission is original and works fine. I mulch exclusively. I have to replace belts every 2 to 3 years. Fuel hog. 12k sq foot per tank. I will buy another when this one dies.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear this mower is working out nicely for you John! Thanks for Sharing! 👍
@chadburke852 Жыл бұрын
You got lucky
@ionrazvan126 2 ай бұрын
I will get one also next week, even if they have problems supporting them will make it better. However there are a lot of good reviews
@marcprovencher1457 Жыл бұрын
Great video JB. I have a timemaster that I upgraded with pulleys hour meter fuel shutoff and have had it for 2yrs. I love this mower and I have 15,000sf. I have to refuel once. True about wet grass but have to be patient. I also have an old Honda harmony 215, that's over 25yrs old with the plastic deck and looks and runs fantastic. Just remember that the new Honda's aren't built like the old ones. Take a good look at all the problems they're having, with trying to pull the mower backwards. Your Honda is new, give it a few years and see what happens.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hey Marc! Thanks for sharing! I’m sure my Honda will have its issues in time. Nothing is built the same as it was. Everything is made cheap nowadays. Thanks for watching
@conner474 2 ай бұрын
I was just looking at one today and i will be looking somewhere else. Thanks for saving me a headache and money
@GarageGear 2 ай бұрын
You made a wise decision! Thanks for watching Conner!
@edrumsas5420 Жыл бұрын
Agree on all points. I’m old so taking a break between the front and back is ok- usually I have a beer or two! This will likely be the last gas power mower I buy. Like a classic/sports car. Cool to use but your always working on it. Great video.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
👍definitely cool to use but the behind the scenes work to keep it going is a pain for sure! Going electric next time around? Thanks for the positive feedback my friend.
@edrumsas5420 Жыл бұрын
@@GarageGear I think so. Hope they have a 30” deck and improve the recycling performance. I usually swap out my blades after 15 mows. Keeps the performance up and leaves the grass with a smooth cut. Cheers brother!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@edrumsas5420 cool! You’re wise to do so my friend! Enjoy the rest of the weekend! Cheers! 👍🍺
@edrumsas5420 Жыл бұрын
@@GarageGear yep. I spoke too soon. Engine is running ruff. I’ll take a look at the spark plug and fuel filter. At the en of the season I will clean the carburetor
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@edrumsas5420 oh no! Those carbs are relatively easy to clean! Shouldn’t be a problem for ya!
@MrTimerider1160 Жыл бұрын
This a GREAT VIDEO! We desperately need more Reviews like this one that really point out ALL the PRO's and ALL THE CON"S.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the awesome comment Carey! Thanks for being a cool fan!
@pelzerd1 Ай бұрын
Such a good and spot on video. Just had the idler pulley shear off last night and take all the belts with it. Soooo many issues with this mower. My previous Toro last 20 yrs with me and still going with my FIL. Had the Time master for a short time and replaced 2 sets of belts, idler pulley, blade engagement cable, personal pace cable, gas tank ( leaking), and have the engine deck bolts rattle loose twice. Finally the dealer added nuts to the top of the deck to stop it. The only thing I haven’t experienced yet is the transmission issue. Thank you for the video.
@GarageGear Ай бұрын
You got it pel! Thanks for sharing my friend
@scottallen606 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I’ve seen a lot of KZfaqrs using this mower but I don’t need nor can afford it. Appreciate the honest review!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
A lot of KZfaqrs are sponsored by toro… I’m not… therefore you get the honest review. Thanks for watching Scott!
@TecumsehRulesbcserk Жыл бұрын
One thing I’ve learned about mowers over the years of repairing them is that less complex features are better. I’ve dealt with electric starter motors that were completely burned out, blade clutches on Hondas that were completely worn down from many years of use, and so many other unnecessary accessories that break over time. That is why I love my old Toro, it’s got a reliable 6.5 HP Tecumseh and the personal pace drive system. Those are the only two features on that mower and they’ve never had a single problem
@arnimkrause5696 Жыл бұрын
Got the same mower. My old Brigs and Stratton Brute deck rusted out so bad that the mower became unusable only after 8 years. The motor a Briggs and Stratton still works good. I picked my Toro up cheap a month ago and it runs like a champ. It's probably 15 years old and has a solid deck and that 6.5 Tecumseh still performs very well. The personal pace drive system is awesome. The person I bought it off of must have maintained it well.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Totally agree BCSERK! Keep it simple! I’m not really even a fan of adjustable handle bars because I would rather just have them bolted down! Less to break! Thanks for sharing and watching as always!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@arnimkrause5696 thanks for sharing as well!
@Super-Dave-Outdoors Жыл бұрын
Keep it simple is correct! Fellow mechanic here. All the pushmowers with unneccesary bells and whistles are not needed, a good deck, good engine, and solid drive system is exactly what is needed.
@MyGreenLawn2019 Жыл бұрын
That is true pretty much goes for anything. Good comments
@Rangertex2.3 Жыл бұрын
Spot on, before they were $1500+ I would get a new one every year for the company and abuse it then dump it to avoid these well know issues, great video, 21” has made a full swing comeback
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
I’m definitely pondering selling my timemaster and grabbing a commercial 21” mower. Lots of fun to be had there! Thanks for watching!
@kjell-richardlvdal373 Жыл бұрын
Great walk through, hope some toro people watch this and learn
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hey Kjell! Thanks my friend! Hopefully some owners won’t have to deal with all these issues but you never know! At least some future buyers will know what to expect! Thanks for watching!
@seansmith2298 Жыл бұрын
Just purchased one of these for my lawncare business a few weeks ago. Didnt have the $$$ for a commercial mower just yet so opted for this Toro. Guess I'll just be cleaning the hell out of it for a while lol. Thanks for putting this vid together!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hey Sean these mowers do surprisingly hold their value. Use it for two years, sell it and trade up for a commercial then. Thanks for watching 👍
@nickmislin5476 Жыл бұрын
Really good honest review, this is what potential customers want to see
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks Nick! It shocks me that not many talk about the nonsense associated with this mower! Thanks for watching bud!
@jaybooth4815 Жыл бұрын
Great and honest review JB! Doesn't seem to live up to Toros reputation. Looks like you put a lot of extra time and money into this mower. we finally got a good dose of rain yesterday. Enjoy the pool thus weekend! Cheers brother!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hey Jay! Probably more time and money than I should have. Especially since it was still so new. That rain was a great start for the month. Last month we were short by about an inch of rain. Definitely dry. Definitely hitting the pool. Why do you got going on this weekend? We gotta set up a Buffalo Garage Gear meet up!
@jaybooth4815 Жыл бұрын
Probably BBQing something thus weekend. I got caught in that downpour yesterday smoking a pork roast...ugh. We definitely need to have a Garage Gear meet. Just need to figure the logistics.
@J9213G 11 ай бұрын
I upgraded the blades to the toro atomic 20120p model blade. Mine came with the high lift blades and those didn’t run well with mulching. Now it’s great. Better on gas also. No issues with clogging up and doesn’t leave a mess on the yard.
@GarageGear 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing j9
@jonw4595 Жыл бұрын
keeping it real, nicely done. i went polar opposite 6 years ago and bought a honda powered husqvarna awd, couldn't be more pleased.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Awesome my friend! Thanks for sharing!
@dalewiley9208 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for an honest review. Our yard is approximately 12,000 square feet. Deck coatings of various kinds only help a little. I power wash the deck after every mow and this comes very close to eating up the time I saved over my 21 inch Honda. Drag flap needs replacing after 10 months of use. I clean under the housing covering the belts and pulleys after three or four mows. I bag the clippings and it does a fantastic job in high dry grass. Like you, I fill the tank twice during the mow but I find this to be a minor inconvenience. The quality of cut is comparable to that I get from the Honda. I think I paid $1270 for this mower in October 2021. It was then and remains grossly overpriced. I’m on the fence as to whether I would buy it again even at the price I paid last year. I definitely would not pay $1400-$1500 for it. But I do like the cut and the fact that when my tall fescue is overgrown (usually because the weather has been inhospitable for days on end) it performs like a champ to get it under control.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Very well said Dale! I agree with you on everything! Especially the cost! Thanks for sharing your experiences with the timemaster! 👍
@dalewiley9208 Жыл бұрын
The real thanks goes to you for your willingness to call it straight. God, I wish Honda would enter the 30 inch market.
@WillsSmallEngines Жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you on this, personally, I would rather spend more time mowing with a cheap mower rather than spend $1500 on a Toro timemaster and have to fix all these issues. And me and my friend have noticed that ever since Briggs and Stratton got bought out the quality has gone down drastically.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Glad we see eye to eye Will! Their quality has gone down rather quickly. What’s going on in your garage these days?
@WillsSmallEngines Жыл бұрын
@@GarageGear not much just working on a couple push mowers and a leaf blower that has a running issue.
@dougmorosky761 Жыл бұрын
I’m pretty satisfied with mine. I do agree on the size of the gas tank. I wish it was larger
@MatthewSmith-uf6tr Жыл бұрын
I’ve had one for three years it’s amazing and really does save me time. It stripes nice too!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@WillsSmallEngines good luck with it👍
@Raywood-bi8zo Жыл бұрын
Great review Ive owned my Toro 7yrs now huge issues ,pulleys belts,transmission,engine mounting bolts, your review is 100%spoton mine cost me $2400 the 7yrs ago and only the 190cc ,not usa
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hey Ray, thanks for sharing! I’m considering selling mine in the spring! Probably get my money back for it considering the price of them now. Lol! Thanks for watching
@ClydeDCamel-mv6ml Жыл бұрын
I have a Toro Personal Pace mower. The drag flap became part of history when it somehow tangled with the blade. I am not wasting my time replacing it. The bag for collecting the clippings doesn't seal well to the mower and I get an amazing amount of clippings building up around the engine. My next mower will be a $100 Walmart special.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Haha thanks for sharing my friend! Too much aggravation with the timemaster!
@richardpantin1108 Жыл бұрын
I currently use one as my main mower in my part time business. Can agree with most points of the video. Side discharge is your best friend with these mowers. Bagging is a close second. I would not even consider mulching as an option anymore. It has paid for itself in a short time but it is taxing on the body. Picking up my new stander in 2 days. Looking forward to not push mowing any longer. GREAT VIDEO!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Totally agree! Congrats on the new stander! Appreciate the positive feedback! Thanks for watching Richard!
@choppa5300 Жыл бұрын
Same here have the time master as my main mower for my house and used it for part time yard cutting .Got the xmark 30 in with Kawasaki motor. Bogs out al the time and going to sell for another time master or a stand on to fit in small yards.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@choppa5300 thanks for sharing Jerome!
@MatthewSmith-uf6tr Жыл бұрын
Mulching is the only thing I use in PA, grass is thick and wet a lot it works like a charm!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@MatthewSmith-uf6tr thanks for sharing Matt
@josephpuchel6497 Жыл бұрын
Hey I work on plenty of these Toros. They use them for commercial use. I don’t understand why Toro hasn’t updated design and components by this time. Too many issues. Number One being the transmission in my opinion. Nice video
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hey Joseph thanks for sharing. Toro needs to step up their game on this machine. Thanks for watching 👍
@johnpeterson8408 11 ай бұрын
Yep, the transmission is certainly inadequate. Shame on Toro for such a crappy product.
@Capoots Жыл бұрын
I have a timemaster for about 2 years now. I do understand with some of your complaints like mowing wet grass and it bogging down or clogging but I usually bag clippings if the grass is tall and wet. It doesn’t seem to have a problem. The motor is less than desirable I agree on. The gas tank issue I haven’t had a problem and I mow about 12,00-15,000 sq ft and can do it on one tank. But I usually fill up in between switching from front to back yard. But I do agree with what you’re saying about all these upgrades why not just get the commercial grade mower from the begging. Great video I appreciate your help
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Capoots!
@brandonburgess6303 Жыл бұрын
Was looking to buy this machine ,so glad i caught this video before purchase 💯 enjoy your videos
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the positive feedback Brandon! Might be selling mine in the spring! We will see!
@sixate Жыл бұрын
Wow, was gonna buy one of these next Spring. Zero chance that happens now. Thanks for the honest review!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
You got it sixate! Honesty is the best policy! Thanks for watching!
@chrishewson40 Жыл бұрын
Completely agree with everything you said, i could add to the list, belts keep breaking, especially the v belt from engine to blade pully. Would love to see if the turfmaster is any better. Im constantly wandering if my timemaster will last the job i have on the day. It's definitely unreliable
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Mine definitely has me worried every time I use it too! Thanks for watching Chris!
@nicholasschmidt8919 Жыл бұрын
You have belts to tight. They don’t need to be even close to as tight as toro says. And make sure engine rpm is tuned correctly. Both with help in saving belts
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@nicholasschmidt8919 thanks for sharing!
@johnpeterson8408 11 ай бұрын
Yep, checked my belt to the blade pully and it is almost split through. Overdue to replace.
@lanieroutside Жыл бұрын
Great video and exactly what I have experienced with my timemaster. Well except that flap was toast after my first mow with mine! I enjoy the mower but will likely keep my 22 inch recycler and trade up the timemaster for a rider more suited for my property.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hey Lanier! These mowers do have a surprising hood resale value! When it’s time is up, sell it and grab a rider! Thanks for watching!
@markkauffman6184 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honest review! I currently have a 12 year old Honda mower and was considering the Toro as I have about 15k square feet of grass to cut. I’ll just keep my Honda.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a great plan! Keep working that Honda! Can’t go wrong mark!!! Thanks for watching
@CityBoyCountryHome Жыл бұрын
I disagree with a lot of this. I bought one in 2013 and mowed a half acre lot. Last year we moved to a much larger yard. Its always ran perfectly even though at the smaller place I treated it like crap. Hardly ever washing the deck and only changing the oil every couple years. It did break last year, but it was 100% my fault mowing in overgrowth and hit a small stump. Even then it just broke the sync belt, the first time it had ever broke. I'm 45 years old - I've been mowing grass for 30 years now - and seems like your complaint about clogging is not unique to this mower. Yes, with no discharge on the left blade it clogs a little more. But I've never seen a mower not clog in wet grass. Proper use of any mower requires you wash it out after use. This is just how lawnmowers work. Same with tightening the deck bolts. Bolts need retightened. This is the current state of the universe. After moving to the bigger yard, I researched updating my mowing equipment. I still couldn't find anything better than the TimeMaster for the niche it fills. So I bought another one and have two now. Thanks for posting, good content. Just wanted to make sure viewers see that others are having different experiences.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your side of the story. For some these machines do well. I like the mower. I think it has its place, but it definitely has some issues that need room for improvement.
@MatthewSmith-uf6tr Жыл бұрын
He must have got a lemon. Mine is the best mower I’ve ever had. I only mulch and a lot of the time it’s thick wet grass at 7 days. Zero issues in 3 years so far. I cut mine and my neighbors every week.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@MatthewSmith-uf6tr thanks again for sharing Matt
@paulmysliborski4832 Жыл бұрын
Nice, honest review JB. TORO has always had the reputation of making some of the best equipment you could buy. But in the past few years, I have read about a bunch of problems with some of their stuff. Not only the TimeMaster, but with their TRX track drive snow blowers as well. These TRX units were meant to compete with the Ariens RapidTrack's, but had catastrophic transmission issues. Bad news for anyone who dropped the 4k on one. Not sure what is going on with TORO's research & development department, but I think they may want to start doing some mandatory drug testing for those guys........ 😵💫 Nice gas tank mod too, JB. Only thing is, now it looks like a Tecumseh clone 😜😂
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hahaha drug testing their entire R&D department! I wonder how their gonna get out of that TRX hole! That may be the only thing I actually like from tecumseh engines lol! It fit perfectly. You and I can agree on one thing probably… it ain’t going back on a tecumseh engine lol! I’m starting to wonder if toro may see this video. Wonder what they’ll have to say.
@LlyleHunter Жыл бұрын
I’ve had a few Toros and a few other brands. The only brand that I’d ever liked better than my Toros was an incredible Ariens that felt like an anvil but had a notoriously troublesome transmission design. It’s very disappointing to know that Toro is failing in transmissions as well.
@davidjudd951 Жыл бұрын
The quality issue with newer Toro's, is what always eventually happens when a once proud, highly regarded entity gets absorbed by a bigger corporation. It's very very rare that quality goes up after a merger. The company being bought, loses it's autonomy, gets raided for the positive side of what it has to offer, then gets turned vanilla as it's melded into the cookie cutter product line of the buyer. Employees get cut due to redundancy of job titles, R&D after it's raided for it's technology, slowly tanks, and the innovators within, move on due to morale loss. The company eventually just becomes shell of it's former self. And in some cases, is phased out. Thank you MTD.
@jackryan894 Жыл бұрын
Great review correct on all points. had my timemaster for 2 years and have already had to replace the transmission, and have the whole engine rebuild because of head gasket, crank case gasket and cam shaft lobe breaking. One side handbar snap in half last week. Really expected more from a Toro with a briggs engine. They just dont make them like they used to.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
It’s really a shame about their build quality! Thanks for sharing Jack!👍
@jarespeoples554 Жыл бұрын
Well dang Jack I was looking to get a time master and after watching the video and reading your post...Well I better look at other options. I don't have the time nor energy to be doing all you had to go through. Just want a nice lawn to make the neighbors recognize my complete domination! Lol
@mikegrappone9078 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. Was thinking about buying. I’ll just keep my 1988 21 inch Toro - engine mounts still tight!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Keep the 1988 and save your money for a vacation Mike! I’m considering putting a for sale sign on mine! Thanks for watching!
@preocupied1690 Жыл бұрын
I own two of these things an early model and a current model and I agree with everything you said. I don't have the clumping under the deck because I cut my yard when it's dry but it still needs to be cleaned after a few cuts. The pulleys I changed immediately for the commercial Exmark ones on both mowers. The real downfall of this mower to me is the personal pace transmission it is junk. If you bag your grass like I do it becomes hard to push and struggles to get threw the grass. I have a snapper 21 inch commercial lawnmower as well and that transmission is the best transmission of all the push lawnmowers. I need to figure out a way of getting that transmission set up on the toro's. If you own a timemaster always keep belts and cables in stock at your house and be handy with being able to repair them it's not hard. I can say that these timemaster do bag the grass well mine are like a vacuum cleaner.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Preocupied! Lots of good info here! I will agree that these mowers are good vacuums. It’s great in the fall for sucking up leaves. Thanks for watching!
@travisc3571 Жыл бұрын
Question for you…do you have the two time masters or turf masters? I’m thinking about getting the turf master for next mowing season. I’ve heard the turf is the better of the two other than the deck.
@preocupied1690 Жыл бұрын
@@travisc3571 I have timemasters. The turfmaster is used for commercial usage. If you are just cutting your home only the timemaster is fine just don't cut when its wet have spare belts all three of them and upgrade the pullys when the original ones break. If you are using for commercial get the turfmaster it will last a little longer.
@travisc3571 Жыл бұрын
@@preocupied1690 I’ll be using it for commercial use. Thanks so much.
@olivierflhd6965 Жыл бұрын
@@travisc3571 i cant find the pulley piece u were mentionning is there specefic name for those?
@TheLawnLover Жыл бұрын
Great review, appreciate the honest review! I just had my flap go with 4 months of getting the mower. Overall it has been working good, but foe the price I wish they would manufacture this a bit better.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Lawn Lover! No one is bringing up these issues. If they could fine tune the issues with these machines they could really corner the market. Thanks for watching as always my friend!
@ElGordo2497 Жыл бұрын
I looked up this mower to see if I’d regret my purchase of the hrx 217, but now I feel even better about my decision. Honda squad. Thanks for the video.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Honda Squad! I like that! You got it my friend! You made a smart purchase! Thanks for watching!
@randallhunter3912 Ай бұрын
Very true video, I have replaced all of these besides the flap, no problem there yet and I've had mine for four years now
@GarageGear Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing Randall! 👍
@newtonbrook Жыл бұрын
Everything he says is true. The toro timemaster is great when you are not in the growing season. The cut looks great. !!! Still saves time over a 21 inch.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the positive feedback Newton! Thanks for watching! 👍
@xxBLKSNXxx Жыл бұрын
Maybe for him? Not any issues here. Years and tons of hours on mine.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@xxBLKSNXxx these are all the common issues repeatedly shown on the toro timemaster page on Facebook. Thanks for watching!
@shanew7361 Жыл бұрын
My neighbor owns one of these and it's loud as hell, rather annoying listening to it.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah it’s loud! Ear plugs are a necessity when using it. Thanks for watching!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@jeremynguyen2346 good you?
@allistergraham6704 Жыл бұрын
This machine loves eating new belts, you get at least 30 seconds of use before the pesky thing snaps
@DaleB809 Жыл бұрын
I repair these mowers weekly. They are junk and very happy you called Toro out. I am to the point that I tell my customers to just buy a 21 inch mower. Every week it cost money and adds up pretty quick Thanks again. Had to Subscribe Winnipeg Manitoba Canada 🇨🇦
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
I’m on the verge of a big repair sometime soon! I can feel it! Can’t go wrong with a 21”! Welcome to the tribe D! Thanks for watching
@gregoryfaulkner5345 9 ай бұрын
I had the 190 cc. I managed most of the clogging issues via chucking the side chute deflector and bungy-ing up the mulching flap. I now have a TimeCutter zero turn and have five times the issues I had with the TM30, however, the TM30 blew out a headgasket in year 4, and I was doing perfect maintenance.
@GarageGear 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this information with the Garage Gear community!
@zachsloan7322 Жыл бұрын
You nailed it on the intro - it's in a class of its own. Despite all issues (I've had each of them outside of the flap), what's the alternative? I'm unaware of another wide-body mower that doesn't take up a huge amount of garage space and is easy enough for anyone to operate. I extended my warranty and will run this until it dies, but hope someone comes out with some true competition or even a revision to this mower that solves its (several) weak points.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hey Zach well said! The flap I made in one video is linked in the description so you can find it there. Definitely a better way to go. If they corrected these weak points they would truly dominate the market here. If another company came up with something comparable they too could lead the way in this segment. Thanks for watching!
@KennyDiFiore Жыл бұрын
@@GarageGear Do you have a different mower you would recommend for someone in the market for a 30" deck? Or do you still recommend the TimeMaster despite it's flaws?
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@KennyDiFiore that’s a great question! We’re pretty limited in this department. I know Scag and Ferris make some 30” models but you’re gonna pay for them. They are commercial grade and heavy duty. Thanks for watching!
@KennyDiFiore Жыл бұрын
@@GarageGear Thanks for the suggestion. I'm only interested in residential use, so heavy-duty deck construction isn't really a requirement for me. I am concerned about the clogging that you mentioned with the Time Master. I have St. Augustine sod so the blades are much thicker than some other types of grass. Also, the SCAG has a very similar under-side deck design, so I'm concerned that one will clog also. I've bought two 30" electric rear-motor riders (Cub Cadet $2600 and Ryobi $2800) and both have failed on me after about 10-15 hours of use. I'm switching back to gas, but I'm looking for something more reliable than Craftsman or Troy-Built 30" riding gas mower. Those other models you mentioned, the SCAG and Ferris, are ~ twice the price of the Time Master; do you think it's worth it for the beefier transmission and more torque to address the clogging issues you've seen with the Time Master? How do you feel about the Turf Master HDX? I'm sort of stuck on 30" just because of my available garage space and my yard size. Anything larger would be overkill.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@KennyDiFiore I hear why you’re saying my friend! I’m kinda in that same window too. Those mowers are pricey but you get what you pay for. The hdx does have better pulleys, and I’m pretty sure a better transmission. Clogging will still be a nightmare because the deck is the same. Let me know what you decide. Thanks for being a cool fan!👍
@barry.anderberg Ай бұрын
Also when I mowed yesterday the grass was slightly damp as it rained that morning and just a tiny mist that afternoon. No clogging at all. Easily washed out the underside of the mower when I was done using the hose port and then sprayed manually and there was not much on the ground after I was done.
@GarageGear Ай бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for sharing!
@Shane542 7 ай бұрын
WOW!!!! I was going to look at one of these tomorrow! Not anymore! Thanks for this info!!!!!!
@GarageGear 7 ай бұрын
Yep PASS on this one! Thanks for watching!
@benjaminleslie3155 Жыл бұрын
yep this pretty much summed up the issues with my timemaster. I'm not even going to bother replacing the grass flap and yes that thing clogs so quick it drives me up a wall.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
For some reason not a lot of owners are talking about all of these issues. A lot of weak links. Thanks for watching Benjamin!
@nwestra Жыл бұрын
I’m running a first generation turfmaster that I bought last year and the things a beast but was also clogging up. This year I put super high lift blade on it and found it reduces the clogging by 75% when bagging or side discharging. I would recommend them if you’re having clogging issues.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the recommendation but mine is currently up for sale. Done with this mower. Thanks for watching!
@DrunkenRhinoceros Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Saved me a potential mistake buying a new mower with reliability as my motive. I do like the deck size, but I don't want to spend excess time with maintenance.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
You got it rhino! Probably gonna sell mine in the spring. Thanks for watching!
@cmartel4567 Жыл бұрын
Timemaster owner for 8 years. Your honesty is refreshing. I have a Honda back up that never fails. I am always fiddling with the Timemaster. It has been average at best.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Totally agree average at best! Thanks for the positive feedback C! Thanks for watching!
@randyevans2917 Жыл бұрын
I have had a Honda self-propelled 21" for 7 or 8 years. It never needs scraping out underneath and it stays relatively clean. I sharpen the blade once a year, change the oil once a year, and I am still on the original spark plug. I take the air filter out and knock the dirt out of it about once a month and that is it. My lawn is 10K sq. ft. and I was looking at the Timemaster to save a little mowing time, but after this review, I'll just stick with the Honda. Great review! Thanks!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
You got it Randy! Keep that Honda running!
@brockbrown564 Жыл бұрын
Exactly right on with all of your comments!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks Brock! Thanks for watching!
@gneesh14 Жыл бұрын
I’ve had my timemaster for 1 season mowing my half acre property. Agree on the gas tank, I have to fill up mid way. I don’t have issues clogging but I side discharge when it’s wet, or bag. I find mulching is it’s weakness, I get better results with bagging and side discharge. I hose out the bottom after every mow though. I thought about the turf master, but in Canada it’s $4300, timemaster is $2000. Time will tell, but I love using it. Oh, and my backup is a Honda HRR! Best mower I ever had, just wish it was 30”.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Gneesh! 👍
@1jantheman1 Жыл бұрын
Had my Timemaster for 4 years as well. You are spot on with your comments. Try the rear bagger with the strip kit going up a very small incline. Ha Ha What a joke, not near enough power with new belts and adjusted correct. Oh, let's not forget the rust issues on the underside of the deck. Power wash underdeck 4-5 times a season, also sprayed some rust-oleum on it and use Pam to undercoat the deck which seems to help. Plan on doing that as part of your yearly maintenance and Pam as needed. For the money I would have expected better. Time to adjust the valves, perhaps you can do a domo on that? Thanks for your honest review and my experience as well. Still trying to figure out how to get to my battery. Got mine 5-31-2018 for $1,050.00 from a dealer. Hard to believe what they are selling for today.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hey Jan the man! I hear ya on everything here! Got mine for $1100 in 2019! Seems to be going up about $100 per year with no improvements. It’s a shame! Might be putting a for sale sign on mine soon lol! Thanks for watching!
@clee4357 8 ай бұрын
Great video we've been using the timemaster for about 4 years now replaced everything you mentioned except for the transmission which I have Sitting On Deck
@GarageGear 8 ай бұрын
These things are junk! Thanks for watching
@alphamale3141 Жыл бұрын
New to your videos. I need honest reviews like this for all the lawn equipment I buy. Don’t forget to review low-end stuff.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Awesome Alphamale! I plan on buying some lower end stuff along the way too to help out those getting started in the lawn journeys. Thanks for checking out the channel! 👍
@GMvideo429 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the honest review, I was considering upgrading my Honda mower to a Timemaster
@GarageGear Ай бұрын
Now you’re in the know! 👍
@DTRider1 Жыл бұрын
I haven't had any issues with my Timemaster, it does gobble-up fuel like a drunken sailor, aside from that, it makes mowing my front and backyard a pleasure! Refuel once, and I'm done!!!! Great video!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing DT!
@lionlegacy6652 2 ай бұрын
Ive had mine for 5 years. At 1st I didn't like it. But I learned to use it. You have to use it in the right way. Then its a great mower. It does Clogg. Dont use it on wet lawns. Dont use it for mulching dry or especially wet grass. The lawn conditions dont have to be perfect but they need to be close to normal conditions. Side discharge the thick grass by starting on the high setting. Then keep lowering with the side discharge. You learn with experience how to use this mower. Its a been a great mower for me after trial and error. I use commercially as well. In 5 years ive takin it for repairs about 5xs. Thats it. It baggs well. I bag 90% of the time and I side discharge the other 10% of the time.
@GarageGear 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing lion!
@guymichaud6371 Жыл бұрын
Very honest review. The deck clogged alot. Had to mow every 4 days. I had several pulley Failures. Upgraded to commercial pulleys and transmission went next. Done with Toro.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hey Guy! Honesty is the best policy! Considering selling mine in the spring! I’m not totally done with toro on my end I do like their super recyclers. These machines aren’t worth all the time money and energy. Thanks for watching!
@rogerfelty528 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honest review, I was considering going with this model to offset my Honda hrx and help save time with my work schedule. I’m going to subscribe to your channel, love this content.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Awesome Roger! I won’t let you down! Save the space in your garage lol! Keep the Honda running! Some things aren’t worth the trouble ! Thanks for watching!
@kevinisbell1867 Жыл бұрын
@@GarageGear you know the timemaster folds up for tighter storage.
@JamesBrown-tc5qy 8 ай бұрын
Excellent review. The Cub Cadet CC800 (33") 344cc Electric Start Wide Area Self-Propelled Lawn Mower is the answer to all of these problems. The wheels alone make it so much easier to use and operate. It makes any Toro push behind feel like a kids Tonka toy.
@GarageGear 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing james
@JustinSmith-hr6qg Жыл бұрын
This video changes everything. I’ve got to replace my 10 yr old husqvarna 700f soon and wanted a Toro Timemaster 30 so bad. Glad I watched. Know anyone or had experience with cub Cadet 33” walk behind ?
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Hey Justin! No personal experience with those cub cadets but I have heard they are heavy and will leave big ruts with wet grass. Do you have a model in particular that you’re looking at?
@dalesworld1308 Жыл бұрын
Wanted one and saw one at an auction yesterday. The platsic clippy thing where the the drive speed cable comes out of the controls was broken and would be need to be replaced first thing. I wanted it and then I remembered reading about some of the issues you mentioned and wisely passed on it.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
I think you made a smart decision dale! Thanks for watching
@gruntsauce1513 Жыл бұрын
I just purchased one on Sunday. Mowed less than an hour with it so far. I actually let a customer mow his backyard while I trimmed bushes and he was a dumbass lmfao..complained about the self propel feature. Idk I liked it. I think he has never had one. I'm going to follow since you're filming these right now. Appriciate and I love that gas tank idea.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Grunt! 👍
@todds5956 10 ай бұрын
I bought one in April. Totally love it. Only one issue is the deck plugs fast in damp grass.
@GarageGear 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing Todd!
@homeydclown100 Жыл бұрын
I have 2 residential timemasters I use in my small lawn care business, awesome product I must say. I had to get deck welded as once motor got loose. Replaced one motor as cam worn out (I never adjusted valves so my fault) and replaced couple of pulleys and belts. Every machine has its own special issues. I think it’s a pretty good product
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Rick!
@jacktorse2145 Жыл бұрын
Why would the end user need to adjust the valves? I'm thinking that should be done before it leaves the factory!
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
@@jacktorse2145 I would think so Jack. But hey ya never know.
@johnpeterson8408 11 ай бұрын
Your post was from 11 months ago. It would be amazing if they are still running today without any issue's.
@williamanderson5295 10 ай бұрын
Have had my mower for over 6 years now and my flap has 'never' been hit by the blades. I have the 190cc and have had no problem with it, certainly never had to tighten mounting bolts. Pulleys are fine, but I do have to now change the blade cable. Since I am in there I will also change the belt as it has a crack on it. I am in Missouri so my yard is steep going from main floor in front to basement entry in back, no problem with the transmission. Agree on the grass clumping under the deck being a pain.
@GarageGear 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing William!
@MB-ct1yb Ай бұрын
I bought a Toro TM30 at the beginning of last mowing season. I agree with some of these. I did shred the drag-flap on one of the very last mows of the season, right around 25hrs. I called Toro this spring and told them, and they shipped one out immediately at no charge. I too agree the size of the gas tank is laughably small. I bag my clippings, so I just top off during a dump of the bag and quick swig of water, so it’s not so much of a time adder for me, but it is inexcusable for a tank that small on a mower of this size. My 21” Troy-Bilt would mow my entire lawn and then some without ever running out. Regarding the clogging of the deck, this is something I have never encountered. My lawn is very thick and times when I mow it is very long, but I have never had even the slightest issue with clogging. I know the issue is not an anomaly, because there are complaints about it all over the internet. Not sure what I am doing differently, but I have never encountered it. I have had no other issues yet, but I am only at around 28hrs of use. I do like it so far. It definitely speeds up time spent mowing compared to my 21”. The quality of cut is also very nice and consistent. Aside from a bigger gas tank, one thing I really wish it had is casters for the front wheels. Turning the machine in tight confined areas can be challenging due to the weight and size. Casters would be a tremendous help.
@GarageGear Ай бұрын
Casters would be a good thing for this mower! I agree! 👍
@oldehatt476 Жыл бұрын
I have one of these mowers, about 5 years now. Replaced pulley after one season. I agree engine is under powered, will bog down if grass gets a little high. Other than that it has started on the first or second pull every time. I give it 3 out of 5 stars.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
I agree with your rating Olde Hatt! I does give a nice cut when the conditions are right. Thanks for watching!
@SamW604 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it!
@HOG95fsxts 3 ай бұрын
I purchased a Timemaster several years ago when the price was under $1,000. I maybe, had it for 1 month before I returned it. Like you, my yard is larger than most for a residential neighborhood, about 15,000sf. The problem I encountered was the mower would just die. After about 20 to 30 minutes of mowing, the mower would just stop and would not restart until it cooled down. This happened everytime I cut the lawn. Don't know if this issue was ever resolved, but I never bought another one. I replaced it with a Cub Cadet 33 inch walk behind, about $1,200 at that time, now ovewr $2,000, I think.. That was a true workhorse. Quick and powerful. The only issue I had with that one was it was kind of a beast. More powerful than I needed. Sold it about 5 years later. Now just have a couple of the standard size walk behinds, 22 in, I think. Looking for a wider cut, but haven't found anything yet. Was considering the DR 30in, not sure though.
@GarageGear 3 ай бұрын
Give the Scag 30 or Ferris 30 a look. They are commercial so you’ll pay more but they are really well built. Thanks for sharing this with the Garage Gear Community! Thanks for following along.
@dustinwalden7091 Жыл бұрын
Used mine for a year as the main mower. Spot on about it not liking wet grass. Doesn’t like rye at all. I got a Timecutter the following year.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Dustin! This mower definitely earned its nickname! Thanks for watching!
@Hilfiger187 Жыл бұрын
Dealt with a bunch of belt issues some other problems but finally after having it a couple seasons it’s going well run it commercially.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing hilfiger
@clayboist 11 ай бұрын
Definitely hit the like button. I support the honesty!!
@GarageGear 11 ай бұрын
Appreciate you clay! Thanks for watching
@Banditmanuk 9 ай бұрын
I have two Toro Timemasters. One to cover breakdowns..... because you know it will. I've one down with a pully bearing gone that tensions the belt between the blades. I always carry a spare belt that stops and starts the blades, definitely a weak point and honestly a bad design. Got a big job with it today and its raining. Wish me luck!
@GarageGear 9 ай бұрын
Fingers crossed bandit!
@leadnsteel1428 4 ай бұрын
Ive modded mine with the kohler engine, upgraded to exmark pulleys and its great now. I use it for a lawn buisness and it saves alot of time.
@giuliadellapi4800 Жыл бұрын
Great clip, thanks! After 2 years of pretty heavy usage, I have to day Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones? The only issue had was my flap got chewed.., aside from that I love the machine and am looking forward to season 3 in a few more weeks..
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@claresmith7227 Жыл бұрын
Own 2 older TM for 2 property's. Not much gloggin by my (cut/mulch) switch routine. First cut with open doors and let clipped grass dry. Next cut, I only "mulch" closed doors if needed. I'm able to jog/run and cut as fast as i can, great machines. I do mis the rust free aluminum deck that the smaller toros have. Graphite helps too.
@GarageGear Жыл бұрын
Thanks again for sharing Clare! Graphite and aluminum decks definitely help.
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